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PSA: Drugged and Assaulted in Hongdae (self.korea)

Miss_MeaghanBupyeong が 投稿

This weekend a (American)friend was drugged and assaulted in Hongdae. She last remembers being at a popular divey dance bar, next thing she remembers is waking up in an alley in Gyeongbokgung. The hospital has confirmed she was both drugged and assaulted. No charges will be pursued.

Please be careful out there. There are terrible people everywhere and Korea is no exception.

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[–]Suwon 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Korea's nominally low violent crime rate can give a false sense of security, so new Westerners here tend to let their guard down. We (myself included) act in ways here that we never would in a Western urban environment.

It's important to remember that Korea is an androcentric society with lots of drinking and an ineffectual police force. The language and cultural barriers can also give the impression of "living outside of society," which makes us feel insulated but in reality makes us more vulnerable.

Just remember to take all of the precautions that you would anywhere else, including a buddy system, watching your drinks, talking on your phone in taxis, etc.

(BTW - I am not criticizing OP's friend or any other victims. This is certainly not victim blaming. It is just a reminder that we need to always watch out for ourselves, especially as foreigners.)

[–]Suwon 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Also, this is purely speculation, but I think many Western women view young Asian men as relatively harmless compared to other ethnicities. Maybe it has to do with ethnic stereotypes back home. Just remember that we are not back home and there are good and bad people of all different backgrounds.

[–]Van-van 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And genders.

[–]koreathrwaway27 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Great advice.

OP: I'm sorry for your friend.

[–]gnats50 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

talking on your phone in taxis

??

[–]Suwon 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep. This way the driver knows that somebody else knows where you were, where you are, and where you are going. My wife always calls and tells me the taxi number when she takes one late at night.

[–]Unibrow69 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm guessing it's because if something were to happen, the person you were talking too would know to call for help.

[–]Pennoya 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Is it possible that the crime rate is artificially low because victim crimes are dealt with through civil compromises? My friend who was sexually assaulted was immediately taken to a police station where the officers told her that the assaulter had a family and she should just accept a cash payment rather than press criminal charges. If this happens a lot then maybe there is a lot more crime in Korea than people realize?

I'm really sorry about what happened to your friend, OP. Thank you for sharing her story to remind us all to be safe

[–]thehighwindow 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I've lived in Korea and Japan but I'm certainly no expert. However, I've heard this system of "compensation" is considered a fair substitute for incarceration because the victim at least some kind of recompense for their injury. It's like the perpetrator is levied a ''fine'' which the victim receives as compensation for the harm done. Sometimes this is arranged through the courts and sometimes outside of it.

[–]Suwon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem when it's done outside of court is that the police on the scene decide who pays whom (and how much). They are judge and jury. It's a bullshit system.

[–]ionsh 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hm? It's more akin to settlement outside court, when the case is considered somewhat low impact to go through the normal legal due process.

If you ever find yourself in a situation where the supposed police officer is actively telling someone to pay specific amount to other party, something is wrong. I would advise you seek legal counsel immediately.

[–]Suwon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

the supposed police officer is actively telling someone to pay specific amount to other party, something is wrong.

They usually give you two choices: pay the "victim" on the spot, or get arrested and then seek legal counsel.

The problem underlying all of this is the social hierarchy. If it's a young foreigner vs an older Korean in an altercation, the cops will almost always side with the Korean.

[–]Suwon 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this happens a lot then maybe there is a lot more crime in Korea than people realize?

Yep, that's what most people think. They payment is called 형사합의금, but most people call it "blood money."

Off topic, but there used to be (still are?) aggressive old men around Itaewon who would start fights with foreigners, call the cops, and then demand compensation when the cops arrived.

[–]penultimart 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Please be careful out there. There are terrible people everywhere and Korea is no exception.

This definitely has merit, and is a good reminder in a country where it's easy to be careless. But is there a reason you're not mentioning the bar by name? I can see it being bad for the bar but it's good for people to know what kind of stuff happens and where when they're planning a night out.

And without wanting to pry, why are there no charges being pursued? Did investigation by police yield no information on possible perpetrators?

[–]dndtweek89Daegu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not OP, but they might not be mentioning the name to avoid possible accusations of defamation.

[–]Miss_MeaghanBupyeong[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She's not confident that's where she was when she was drugged, it's only the last place she remembers. I don't want to point fingers without any evidence.

The police collected evidence, but they told her the process would be long and stressful- basically that she shouldn't pursue it. She has decided not to, she says she doesn't have time to deal with it, she can't take time off work, etc. I'm just going to let her make her own choices despite the fact I don't agree.

[–]spiderland 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't mean to take away from the seriousness, but I imagine your friend could easily get justice by requesting CCTV footage be viewed. If it's a case of not being able to talk to the police in Korean, I'm sure she could reach out to a native speaker for help.

[–]MyDickFellOff 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (96子コメント)

2 weeks ago I got assaulted by 6 American guys in Hongdea, near the playground. I tried to defend myself, but I fell down and they kicked me when I was down.

I was diagnosed with a frontal sinus skull fracture and a torn knee tendon and a broken kneecap. I have had surgery and I would have died if the Korean doctors didn't diagnose me so quickly.

My advice? Don't hang out in American bars, it's just a matter of time before you get in a fight with Army guys. They are the worst people in Korea and they are hated for a reason. Fuck the US Army.

[–]snowseth 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (9子コメント)

My advice? Don't hang out in American bars, it's just a matter of time before you get in a fight with Army guys. They are the worst people in Korea and they are hated for a reason. Fuck the US Army.

I'm US military (USAF) and concur with this statement.
Unless you've become friends with the military person, avoid any military that are in groups greater than 2.

It it's just a loner or 2 dudes, they're probably in the same boat as me. Avoiding other groups of military and have a better chance of not being trouble.

If you wander into a club, and it's a bunch of clearly military ... consider going someplace else.
Stupid shit always follows military in general (Army specifically) when they're in a group.

[–]crzytimes 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Spent 3.5 years in Korea as a Marine. Left at the end of 2013. Whenever I went to Seoul, I avoided Itaewon and American military concentrated areas like the plague :)

[–]snowseth 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, I was at K-16 for 3 years, left in early 2013 as well!
Same thing.

Although, I will say Itaewon grew a lot in the time I was there. There are some fantastic restaurants there. It's just not a place to hang out and drink or hit up clubs. But a good place to get a nice dinner (Zelen's was amazing) before too many late-night GI fools rolled in.

[–]baekdusan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Really? They did joint training exercises in Gwangju a couple of weeks ago, and the foreign bars were packed with USAF and Marines. Like, wall to wall packed. We all drank, a lot, and every one of them was super cool and friendly to the local teachers. AFAIK nobody got into a fight. It was a fun weekend.

[–]snowseth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The EX may have tempered any stupid behavior. Especially if they were technically banned from drinking. Most EXes come with a ban of alcohol.

[–]baekdusan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What's an EX? I know their captain or somebody in charge made sure everyone went home by their curfew hour (like 1am or thereabouts), but they were certainly drinking alcohol and most of them appeared to be pretty drunk.

[–]snowseth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

EXercise.

And their boss was there with 'em?
Yeah, that's a good way to temper stupid behavior too.

[–]cmander_7688Gwangju 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The big expat hangouts in Gwangju are a waaaay different atmosphere than a lot of places in Seoul though.

edit: plurals are hard. I've been in Korea too long.

[–]baekdusan 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I have kind of found that to be true. I feel quite a bit more on edge in Seoul's foreign haunts, but that could be because I go there infrequently. And I usually go to the larger, "popular" establishments in Itaewon.

[–]cmander_7688Gwangju 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I remember seeing a bunch of trepidation on facebook when the soldiers rolled into town. The general consensus was pretty positive though, I don't think there was any drama.

[–]feedmefeces 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

2 weeks ago I got assaulted by 6 American guys in Hongdea

Any chance there's some back story there that you haven't told us?

[–]Repatriation -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He posted the story. Op was hitting his girlfriend and when the army guys intervened, "things got heated" between himself and them.

[–]MyDickFellOff 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I would have hit her, I wouldn't posted my story. Did not hit her. Got hit.

[–]icecreammachine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's a lie.

[–]Sangtu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Isn't Hongdae (and Shinchon) off-limits to US military in the evenings? It certainly used to be.

[–]JvorakSeoul - Gangnam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Wouldn't it be Sinchon? Subtle difference but Shinchon denotes the area near Jamsil.

Apparently Hapjeong isn't off-limits, and the outskirts of Hongdae is only a 10 minute walk from there.

[–]penultimart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't know whether it is now, but I remember reading over the years it's gone back and forth a number of times. Open, off-limits, open, off-limits...

Something bad happens that puts it off limits for a while, eventually it's allowed again and then after a while something happens that puts it off limits again.

If it's currently off limits I'm guessing it's because of the fight outside Naked that resulted in a soldier's death last year.

http://www.stripes.com/news/soldier-dies-after-reported-street-fight-in-seoul-1.282216

[–]Suwon 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (22子コメント)

That sucks. Is that also when your dick fell off? (JK... hahaha)

It's definitely a good idea to avoid the drunk military crowd, especially if you are a non-American male under 30 (they don't really mess with older guys because they have nothing to prove to us). It's shitty because (1) fighting is their profession, (2) they rove in packs and back each other up, and (3) the Korean police want nothing to do with them.

[–]vicereversa 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

If you report them to MPs, they will get what is coming to them.

[–]J0ko 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

What's an MP?

[–]HasukoHongdae 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Military police.

[–]Lokimonoxide 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your Member of Parliament. Then MI6 is dispatched.

[–]vicereversa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Military Police.

[–]Suwon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I had always wondered about that. Unfortunately, I only see MPs around Itaewon and other base areas. We have a lot of military guys who come up to my city from Osan, get drunk, and sometimes start shit (usually with each other). There are no MPs around to deal with it.

[–]vicereversa 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

315-724-3004. That's the number I found for military police in yongsan. They should be able to connect you to the mps anywhere in the country. Call them. Trust me, they would LOVE to hear about some private acting like a jackass.

[–]WolfBiedermanRocks 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can't really disagree with that. I've had my wifes friend and baby staying with us for a few days as an emergency due to her being abused by her american soldier husband. Complete scumbag.

[–]snowseth 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did she contact on-post agencies!?

There are a lot agencies on-post to protect spouses.

[–]penultimart -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are there charges being laid? If so with who?

[–]Suwon 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (13子コメント)

it's just a matter of time before you get in a fight with Army guys.

I would actually disagree with this. It takes two to tango. But again, they're a crowd best avoided.

[–]somethingsomethings 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (11子コメント)

No it doesnt. It only takes one side to instigate a fight and beat the guy to a pulp.

[–]Van-van 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He says lower down he was in a violent situation with his ex which attracted more violence.

[–]DoYouKnowTheKimchi 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But some people seem to attract fights better than others. I've lived in some rough neighborhoods, and seen my share of bar fights. It's rarely a one-sided affair.

[–]feedmefeces 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost never a one-sided affair. In each of these stories we are being told about in this thread, there's a high chance there's a backstory that's being conveniently ommited.

[–]locriology 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I don't know. I read stories like this all the time on Reddit, but despite having spent a fair amount of time in sketchy areas in Hongdae and Itaewon, I've never gotten into a fight. Nobody just walks up to you and starts swinging. If someone wants to fight you, then you did something to piss that person off.

[–]penultimart 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nobody just walks up to you and starts swinging. If someone wants to fight you, then you did something to piss that person off.

EDIT: I had a personal anecdote in this comment but it's easy to counter that with, as /u/feedmefeces said

"there's a high chance there's a backstory that is being conveniently omitted"

So I'll say this instead. The "It takes two to tango." argument is overemployed I think. It is good for a lot of situations. A boxing match. A gentlemanly duel. Literally doing the tango. Et cetera.

But as far as general application, it assumes rational participants. Children are not always rational. Drunk people are not always rational. The unbalanced (temporarily or pathologically) are not always rational. Well adjusted, sober adults are not ALWAYS rational.

It may not always be the case, but there are plenty of times it only takes 1 to tango.

[–]cyclecircle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed. Some drunk people are unreasonable and overly aggressive for no good reason. You can be unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, through no fault of your own.

I know of someone who was getting out of a taxi in Itaewon. Some US army guys thought he was getting in and stealing their taxi, and beat the guy up.

[–]locriology 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I've been in that situation before. Some drunk guy being a complete dick to me for no reason at all. But even when I was completely drunk as well, I know how to stay calm and avoid a fight. Every time I hear a story about someone getting attacked out of nowhere, I always wonder what the other side to that story is because that shit doesn't just happen without provocation.

[–]penultimart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I always wonder what the other side to that story is because that shit doesn't just happen without provocation.

Yet you just commented that on an example where (it would seem) you were given both sides of the story.

Objectively, there was no real provocation. However there was perceived provocation. Also, one would expect normally stealing a taxi would not result in violence, but perhaps the soldiers were drunk, or desperate to get back to base by a certain time to avoid punishment, perhaps a combination of both.

Not that it would excuse the beating, just explain why they might act irrationally.

Perceived injury, irrational action. Objectively unprovoked violence. It can happen. Even if it has never happened to or been witnessed by you.

[–]HiHeyHai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've had a guy in Hongdae come up to me and go ape because I was dancing with someone he wanted to be dancing with. Not much you can do to avoid being between a random drunk stranger and what they suddenly decide they're entitled to.

This. Same thing happened to me. Only real fight I've ever been in.

[–]locriology 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You may be right. But in all the times I have been goaded, baited, intimidated, insulted, threatened, even physically pushed by drunken assholes, no matter what my level of drunkenness at the time was, I've always been able to calm the situation to avoid an actual fight.

And I'm a legit alcoholic. I've gotten entirely too wasted on way too many occasions, acted like a complete douchebag, offended people, treated people like shit, and tons of things I feel a whole bunch of remorse about. But physically hitting people is one line I have never crossed in my life, and never plan to cross.

I truly believe that it takes two to tango in this regard. If you get in a fight with some douche in Itaewon, I guarantee it's not because he decided to clock you out of nowhere. There was some level of communication that you chose to ignore (if not downright insult) before it escalated to that point.

And even if, by the off chance that that were the case, it would be very easily avoided by just avoiding shitholes like Itaewon and Hongdae altogether (at least at night), which is why I have very little sympathy for cases like this in the first place. Seoul is full of beautiful, historical, cultural icons. Why the hell would you, as a foreigner, spend all your time in renowned foreigner cesspools?

("you" not being the person I'm replying to in particular, but the general person reading this comment)

[–]EQUASHNZRKUL 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When alcohol is involved, this is not always the case

[–]Faygoman 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The US Army are a bunch of assholes in foreign countries

[–]IIKiboshII 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Most soldiers I hang out with are cool, and know what's up. They avoid fighting as they aren't supposed to be out past curfew time anyway, that's a big no no for them.

Every, and I mean EVERY, fight they have gotten into has been forced on them. Either a Korean guy's girl was talking to them (This always seems to start a fight. I really don't know why the Korean guys have to fight over this so fast.), or someone tries to take something from them, or someone throws first. A fight to the U.S. military guys is not worth losing their jobs, so they usually avoid it as best they can.

Another thing that used to be a really common sight in Hongdae is a Korean guy shoving or slapping his girlfriend. I've had to tell soldiers to calm down, and I know this also started a lot of fights. Especially after they get drunk. If they think someone is abusing someone, they try to jump in. The whole, Man better than Woman thing has seemed to die out, but I still see it every week, just out there in the open.

I'm sure you can pull up police reports, but I'd wager hardly any fights involve U.S. soldiers in the grand total.

And I have to ask, what started your fight?

[–]goosechaser 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was in a club in Hongdae when 4 or 5 soldiers shoved my friend to the ground and kicked him in the face, knocking him out cold.

My friend would never have started a fight with those guys. He wasn't particularly drunk, and not an aggressive guy at all. He might've bumped them or something by accident, but I wouldn't call that forcing a fight on someone.

Not to say there aren't nice guys in the army, obviously there are. I've met great people in the US armed forces too. But I've seen that unprovoked violence from the assholes, it happens. Like you say, most are cool. The ones that aren't, though...

[–]MyDickFellOff 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (25子コメント)

The short version: I got in a heated argument with my ex. Lot of jealousy on both sides. She hit me. I pushed her away in selfdefense. Guys around us intervened, I told them to fuck off and leave us alone. I immediately went to the taxi's to go home and get away from the hostile situation. Ex came after me, told her to fuck off. Got surrounded by 6 guys like 10 meter from the taxi's. 'Like hitting girls?' Things got heated with the guys which resulted in a fistfight 1 vs 6. Ended up in the hospital when I was sober again, because the pain was unbearable.

I know this makes me seem like a bad guy, but all the hostileness that evening was forced upon me. I just tried to get away.

[–]feedmefeces 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I don't feel bad for you.

[–]MyDickFellOff 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You weren't there, I was leaving, even though I got very angry.

Not even considering the situation and them coming after me when I clearly was avoiding the conflict, 6 vs 1 is always bad. If you feel different, then you are an asshole.

[–]icecreammachine 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Why not? He was assaulted. Fuck her for hitting him. And fuck those guys for assault. Don't be a white knight. Womem fuck up, too. (Assuming the story is true).

[–]feedmefeces -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

(Assuming the story is true).

See, that's the thing about internet stories. They tend to not be the most objective description of events.

[–]icecreammachine 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I don't disagree with you, but why post that you don't feel bad for him?

[–]feedmefeces -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Because my gut tells me that there is another side to this story. I suspect he's not the complete victim that he makes himself out to be. He already admits to hitting his girlfriend, for example.

[–]icecreammachine 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Did he admit to hitting her elsewhere? I only saw that he pushed her away. I probably would have done the same if she was being very aggressive.

[–]feedmefeces -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What one person describes as a push, another person describes as a hit. Who knows where the truth is? What we do know is that what he did offended enough other people that he got the shit kicked out of him. Believe what you will.

[–]dope_boi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol and people like you wonder why bad shit happens to them...

[–]Suwon -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She hit me. I pushed her away in selfdefense.

Self-defense? Did you actually think she would kick your ass? Bullshit. Sounds more like retaliation.

Some girls are crazy. Some Korean girls especially can be prone to hitting their partners due to the society they were raised in. But when a girl hits you, you just need to walk away. Do not respond with violence, especially in public.

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    [–]MyDickFellOff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    tl;dr dont hang out in american army popular bars

    [–]grandopen 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    TL;DR - never touch a lady, unless it's actually self-defense. Not "she hit me so I pushed her away"

    [–]MyDickFellOff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Boy, did I learn that lesson.

    Although I feel that pushing someone after getting hit, is justified. It's better to not do it. Just walk away.

    [–]penultimart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    never touch a lady, unless it's actually self-defense. Not "she hit me so I pushed her away"

    Not trying to swat at a beehive here, but what qualifies as actual self-defense? If they were the same weight? If the woman had 20 not-fat lbs on the man? 40 not-fat lbs? If they had a weapon? Or were an MMA fighter?

    Whoa, we've really gotten away from the OP here...

    [–]touchandgo666 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    So did your dick fall off during the altercation or what?

    [–]JoemaloneyjoeSeoul 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sorry you had that horrific experience.

    Come to the hill. We're all pretty friendly there.

    [–]imnotisis -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    One sided story. For all we know you may have deserved it.

    [–]MyDickFellOff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Not gonna lie, I deserved a punch for yelling at the guys and being a drunk asshole about them surrounding me. Did I deserve 6 guys bashing in my skull and kicking me when I was down? Nope.

    [–]sogude 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    Please illuminate us. What does one need to do to deserve being assaulted by 6 people and having them inflict a skull fracture?

    [–]DoYouKnowTheKimchi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    Not condoning it, but apparently this. Which is probably a redacted version of the events.

    [–]MyDickFellOff -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Yeah, having an heated argument with my ex equals almost killing me. Not redacted. I did not touch her. She hit me tho.

    [–]feedmefeces 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    I did not touch her.

    You said before that you pushed her. Your story really isn't hanging together, mate. Don't be surprised when people suspect there's another side to this story.

    [–]MyDickFellOff 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I don't feel that pushing someone after getting hit constitutes hitting.

    I also told several times, that the blame is partially on me for not handling the situation to the best of my abilities. But... even if I was the worst jerk ever, you feel that surrounding me, getting in a fight with me and kicking me in the head while I I was down is something I deserved?

    I feel like you already decided I am a lying and just want to disagree with me. You either believe me or you don't. But I am kinda done.

    Gonna take a rest recommended by the doctor. From you know, getting my skull cracked by guys kicking me in the head while I was down.

    [–]feedmefeces -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    you feel that surrounding me, getting in a fight with me and kicking me in the head while I I was down is something I deserved?

    Maybe, I don't know. I'd have to know the full story before I felt any sympathy, sorry.

    [–]ACNL -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    hey fuck everyone else. u know what happened so dont listen to shit eaters.

    [–]apgujohn 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    So this must mean Tin Pan's still open?

    [–]JCongo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Thursday Party is the name of the game.

    [–]catsandicecreamyeonhuidong 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    Divey dance bar.....

    So...FF? Its a fucking cesspool

    [–]kpuncher -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Cesspool describes pretty much everywhere English teachers drink.

    [–]calm_down_you_weirdo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    So since English teachers in Korea only drink in Korean bars, one can infer that what you're really saying is that Korea is a cesspool?

    [–]kpuncher 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, there are plenty of fine drinking establishments here. FF and Tin Pan (where English teachers go) are not fine drinking establishments.

    [–]zeonmx -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Except most ESL teachers hate going to bars where Koreans are majority and just go to the popular places where they mostly hangout, hence the cesspool.

    [–]FamilyFartSoul 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Scary.

    [–]ainthisomeshit 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Be safe everyone.

    [–]slippuSeoul 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    My friend was also recently raped, and another was run over by a drunk driver all in the same busy couple blocks in Hongdae. She's in critical condition at the moment.. I can only pray the rest of you be safe and be aware.

    [–]BasicBro123 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Usually people dont figure this out til their 30s but you do have some control.
    Of course its wrong what happened, but maybe avoid excessive drinking in shady areas. I know that sounds impossible to avoid hongdae and itaewon but i bet u 100% those attackers choose areas like that every time. And you definitely cant trust the police here so.....look out for yourself.

    [–]ACNL -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    y cant u trust korean police? cuz u are a foreigner?

    [–]Suwon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    cuz thay r incompetent cowardz.