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(28 minutes ago)James Redford Wrote:

(1st May 2015, 18:39)AFTT47 Wrote: So being that it is that tight, why have I never heard of it? Even allowing for a grand conspiracy among the physics community, they couldn't avoid this if it's that ironclad. And people get famous when they overthrow the established order, you know. Yet in over two decades, no graduate student has latched onto this and launched himself to the forefront. Probably because it's nowhere near as ironclad as you make it sound.

I never claimed that there was a conspiracy regarding this matter. That was other people's characterization of it on this forum.

There are a lot of things which are perfectly true yet which are not followed by mass culture, such as anarcho-capitalism. In case you haven't noticed, mass society is seriously screwed-up. This world is certainly not suffering from an overabundance of truth: quite the contrary.

As to why that is, it's because humans are apes still evolving from a very primitive state of ignorance and barbarism. Humans to this day are still very primitive and a long way from catching up with Christ.

Well doing that we would cut out the need to eat we sleep etc even still if we do get to that in the future with conscious upload we wouldn't be human. 

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Well, I laughed at this fellow characterization of all others besides himself as primitive. At least one can hope it's a joke.

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(1st May 2015, 20:17)Chas Wrote:

(1st May 2015, 14:24)James Redford Wrote: Hi, Chas. Actually, the Omega Point final singularity is mathematically unavoidable per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics), of which have been confirmed by every experiment to date. Hence, the only way to avoid the Omega Point Theorem is to reject empirical science. For the details on this, see Sec. 3: "Physics of the Omega Point Cosmology", Subsec. 3.1: "The Omega Point", pp. 12-19 of my aforecited article "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything".

No, it is not mathematically unavoidable.  You have swallowed some fishy story hook, line, and sinker.

You Wrote:The known laws of physics require there be intelligent civilizations in existence at
the appropriate time in order to force the collapse of the universe and then manipulate
its collapse so that the computational capacity of the universe can diverge to infinity.

Martin Gardner called it the "completely ridiculous anthropic principle" (CRAP).

You haven't actually done the math.

Hi, Chas. You can see for yourself that I have "done the math" regarding the Omega Point Theorem in Sec. 3: "Physics of the Omega Point Cosmology", Subsec. 3.1: "The Omega Point", pp. 12-19 of my previously-cited article "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything".

Concerning Martin Gardner's review of Profs. John D. Barrow and Frank J. Tipler's book The Anthropic Cosmological Principle (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1986), notice that Martin Gardner never states any error on Tipler's part within said review. However, I do find the below exchange between Tipler and Gardner to be quite telling; it transpired from Gardner's aforesaid review of Barrow and Tipler's book. Note Gardner's two-word reply to Tipler.


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(17 minutes ago)LastPoet Wrote: Well, I laughed at this fellow characterization of all others besides himself as primitive. At least one can hope it's a joke.

i hope so. 

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(56 minutes ago)dyresand Wrote:

(1st May 2015, 13:51)LostLocke Wrote: And, from what I understand so far, the current idea is that the universe won't collapse.
Rather, it will expand until it rips itself apart.

Last time i checked no its collapsing back in on itself 
http://phys.org/news/2015-03-universe-brink-collapse-cosmological-timescale.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/collapse-of-the-universe-is-imminent-catastrophic-event-could-explain-mysteries-of-the-universe-even-if-its-not-for-billions-of-years-10131256.html

its a good thing it would be depressing in that scenario of it ripping itself apart at least with this we get a universal do over....forever :D

Hi, Dyresand. The known laws of physics provide the mechanism for the universe's collapse. As required by the Standard Model of particle physics, the net baryon number was created in the early universe by baryogenesis via electroweak quantum tunneling. This necessarily forces the Higgs field to be in a vacuum state that is not its absolute vacuum, which is the cause of the positive cosmological constant. But by sapient life annihilating the baryons in the universe via the inverse of baryogenesis, again via electroweak quantum tunneling (which is allowed in the Standard Model, as baryon number minus lepton number, B - L, is conserved), this will force the Higgs field toward its absolute vacuum, cancelling the positive cosmological constant and thereby forcing the universe to collapse. Moreover, this process will provide the ideal form of energy resource and rocket propulsion during the colonization phase of the universe.

For more on this, see my following article:

* James Redford, “The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything”, Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1974708 .

Additionally, in the below resource are different sections which contain some helpful notes and commentary by me pertaining to multimedia wherein Prof. Tipler explains the Omega Point cosmology and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE.

* James Redford, “Video of Profs. Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss’s Debate at Caltech: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity?”, alt.sci.astro, Message-ID: jghev8tcbv02b6vn3uiq8jmelp7jijluqk[at sign]4ax[period]com , July 30, 2013, https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.sci.astro/KQWt4KcpMVo .

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(17 minutes ago)LastPoet Wrote: Well, I laughed at this fellow characterization of all others besides himself as primitive. At least one can hope it's a joke.

Hi, LastPoet. I never said that. However, some apes are smarter than others.

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