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[–]qp0nnaturalist 117 ポイント118 ポイント  (26子コメント)

He seems to pick his filibusters wisely, you'll find very few Americans complaining about this one too.

[–]ErwinKnoll 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (20子コメント)

It will be interesting to see who in the Senate is willing to stand with Rand.

[–]wildsealsrepublican party 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I could see Wyden helping out.

[–]lexisayok 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (8子コメント)

And Sanders. He's consistently voted against the Patriot Act.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_BURDENSLife, Liberty, and Property 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (7子コメント)

That would be huge for bipartisanship if Rand and Bernie Sanders both publicly condemned the Patriot Act and filibustered it.

[–]anzhili 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As much as I wish this were the case, it is not. It is not unheard of for the most liberal and most conservative members to band together out of mutual dislike of something--it happened to a greater extent with SOPA. Rand, Flake, Lee, maybe Toomey and a few others will be in for the GOP; Sanders, Wyden, and maybe a few other Dems, but there are far too many who are not much interested in curbing state power.

[–]imasunbearmoral nihilist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think it would be significant since both are running for President at the same time. It's either going to looked at as "wow look at this great bipartisanship" or "look at these two loony extremists"

[–]scriggities 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why do you think that? Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul both spoke out against the Patriot Act when it was originally voted on back in 2001. No one cared.

As recently as February/May of 2011 both Sanders and Rand Paul spoke out against the Patriot Act. No one cared then either.

Sure, it's nice to see both sides of the aisle coming together over something like this, but too many members of Congress are spineless yes men that will still vote yes.

[–]readyreadystandwithrand 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you think that? Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul both spoke out against the Patriot Act when it was originally voted on back in 2001. No one cared.

Most people, with 9/11 fresh in everyone's mind and an American flag on every car, took the government at their word when they said the Patriot Act would only be used against terrorists....that's almost funny now.

[–]Zifnab25Filthy Statist -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That would be huge for bipartisanship

I thought bipartisanship was bad.

[–]despicable_secretGovernment is not reason. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You think all sorts of goofy shit.

[–]bGODLESSminarchist -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Isn't bipartisanship bad though? I see his flair and all, and I know he's being sarcastic...

It's like Penn Jillette says, "we want a slow, clunky, inefficient government that struggles to get things done. Because a government that can get things done will only take away freedoms."

Or if that's not your flavor and you prefer pure contrarian-ism, Christopher Hitchens poked fun at bipartisanship saying, "you'll see news reports say, 'there was an outbreak of partisanship on the senate floor, but in the end bipartisanship won out.' As is to say, 'oh no, it looked as though we had disagreement and debate for a moment, but don't worry the single-party state is still intact.'"

*Both quotes are loose recollections.

[–]killzon32libertarian Socialist 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Rand&Wyden 2016 please please please

[–]urban__sombrero 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I'll always stand with Rand.

[–]MrBinnsalive in the superunkown 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Are you in the senate? lol

...o it's a rhyme

[–]_DaMmItImMaD_ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Overall I'm okay with that.

[–]savois-faire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It'll be funny to see how the GOP leadership react, back in the day they were all falling over themselves to proclaim the PA to be the greatest piece of legislation ever made in the name of "freedom".

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The GOP still votes widely in favor of the PATRIOT act renewals. Only 4 Republican Senators voted against it last renewal.

[–]penguinman1337 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So this could be interesting. A dual filibuster between Paul and Wyden. Politically speaking, would be genius. Shows that he can be tough on civil liberties issues, as well as reach across the aisle and work with Democrats. Assuming he gets the nomination, that might even pull votes away from Dems who would normally go Hillary.

[–]ericthehalfofbee 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (18子コメント)

This is why he has my vote. I am glad someone is going to try and rescue our quickly dying democracy.

[–]HandySamberg 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

*oligarchy

[–]TwillzKillz 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

plutocracy*

[–]Nothing_is_FreeLOL @ $15 minimum wage 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

shithole*

[–]Terrierpike 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

shitocracy

[–]Welp_Huzzah 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Jim Lahey 2016

[–]scriggities 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

*plutocratic oligarchy

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

If he wants to prevent PATRIOT from being renewed he needs to convince his own party.

I know its great rhetoric for him to filibuster, but what he should be doing is getting GOP together to mount more than 4 votes in opposition - the amount there were last renewal.

[–]PatrickKelly2012bleeding heart voluntaryist 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Which, you know, he tries to do by speaking at GOP events on the subject and at the national convention and going on talk shows, but that never seems to stop you from making a criticism. Doing a filibuster and drawing attention to the issue is also another way to reach out to people.

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not talking about attention whoring. I'm talking about him talking to his colleagues in the Senate.

[–]PatrickKelly2012bleeding heart voluntaryist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (3子コメント)

And you assume he's not talking to them because? If anything, given his track record of getting cosponsors on bills, it seems to me that he's doing that plenty. You are accusing him of not doing something based only on your pure speculation with no real reason to.

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

We'll see when he either produces or fails to produce significant GOP opposition to the renewal.

[–]PatrickKelly2012bleeding heart voluntaryist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, if he fails in convincing them to take an opinion that's unpopular, that means he's not talking to his colleagues? Given how heavy handed the leadership is, that's a pretty difficult task to accomplish.

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he wants to have any credibility on the matter he'll point out who it is that's routinely renewing PATRIOT.

He has 18 Senate Democrats that voted against the last renewal. There were 4 Senate Republicans.

[–]scriggities 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That wouldn't poll as well with likely primary voters though.

[–]ApprovalNet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If he wants to prevent PATRIOT from being renewed he needs to convince his own party.

Actually, the only person that needs to be convinced is Obama. Without him, we would no longer have a Patriot Act.

[–]Zifnab25Filthy Statist -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Oh, you. That's not how the game is played. Rand opposes the Patriot Act, so this legitimizes the GOP. If Democrats don't line up behind Rand, it proves that Democrats are worse than Republicans.

Also, something something Hillary Clinton is terrible something something.

[–]ApprovalNet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Also, something something Hillary Clinton is terrible something something.

Well I mean, she does fully support the Patriot Act and has for years so, yeah.

[–]Terrierpike 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's a republic

[–]doedsengel 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Bless you Rand.

[–]ThrowahoymatieWellActuallyHe'sASocialist 58 ポイント59 ポイント  (71子コメント)

Let me go ahead and get this out of the way, for our resident leftists:

But what about that time his dad wrote racist newsletters and that time he said he was against some abortions!?

[–]Kar_AthriLibertarian Socialist (the best kind) 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (3子コメント)

How is that relevant to this thread?

[–]wellactuallyhmmit's not "left vs. right", it's state vs rights 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's not, it's just a way of deflecting from arguments that actually make cogent criticism of Rand.

[–]ThrowahoymatieWellActuallyHe'sASocialist 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Go vote for a brick in the sidewalk. It holds no positions you disagree with.

[–]quraid -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

its just a circlejerk to deflect from any actual criticism of Rand.

"Hey, noone is ever gonna say this shit anyway, but let me phrase that in a way Rand looks like a victim".

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    [–]ThrowahoymatieWellActuallyHe'sASocialist 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (37子コメント)

    What has the Paul family ever done besides blow hot air?

    I heard they were doctors, or some loser profession like that.

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    [–]draftermathLibertarian Unicorn -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He'd probably be like any other Republican and pick more Supreme Court justice and federal judges from Liberty University where they offer degrees in dinosaurs walking with people.

    and this list

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/33r7y1/if_rand_paul_were_a_democrat_reddit_would_be_in/cqnndup

    [–]jimmymadis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What Supreme Court justice do we have from Liberty? Last time a non-Ivy was nominated she was treated like an idiot redneck, regardless of her law school and career.

    Also, if you graduate the top of your class from Liberty Law and have a great career as an attorney, what should stop you from being made a district court judge?

    [–]jimmymadis -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    And he doesn't like gay folks, don't forget that one.

    Edit: Should have added a /s. Goodness, my sarcasm translates just as poorly on reddit as the real world.

    [–]ThrowahoymatieWellActuallyHe'sASocialist 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm gay, and I'm still voting for him. So stick that feather in your ass.

    [–]jimmymadis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There was a missing /s at the end of my comment there, sorry.

    [–]Contral_lFREEDOM USA MURICA GUNS BOURBON APPLE PIE MAJESTIC BALD EAGLES 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Before I said I won't vote for him, but now I got to take it back. Rand 2016!

    [–]Neebatmarginal libertarian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I'll vote for him if he needs my vote. He's the best of all the shit in the Republican primary, so I'll vote for him. And if he wins there, he'll carry Texas in the general without even trying, so I'll vote for Gary Johnson.

    [–]Sluggocide 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The comments are as predictable as they are terrible.

    [–]TitanKing 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    What most Americans do not understand (I realize I am going to get down voted), you are not free to choose "a honest leader" anymore, you lost that a long time ago. If Rand Paul does not fall into place he will not become the next president and that is that. USA is run by thugs and criminals, they do not plan to hand over power that easily.

    [–]goldandguns 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think Paul is a good test case so to see if that's true. He seems to have a true ideology.

    [–]Greg-2012 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If Rand Paul does not fall into place he will not become the next president and that is that.

    That is certainly not that. If every American thought as you do we would still be under the British crown.

    [–]Remember5thNovember 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    He should read 1984.

    [–]Greg-2012 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    He is an educated man that 1984 is a well known book. I am willing to bet he has read it already.

    [–]yellowking 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Rand Paul hates Patriots!!!1!

    [–]ducked -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm not sure about rand paul these days because of his views on net neutrality. I agree with most of the other stuff he talks about but net neutrality is also a big issue to me.

    [–]0157h7 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    You're in r/ibertarian. You are probably not going to get too many people who agree with you on Net Neutrality.

    [–]crbiker 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What do you like about net neutrality?