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No alcohol at "DiversityInAntwerpCity" event by PVDA because they want "everyone to feel at home" (hln.be)

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[–]historicusXIII 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Why would someone be offended if I drink a beer?

[–]Finniemc 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Maybe if you were drinking Heineken ...

[–]historicusXIII 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I said "if I drink a beer" ;)

[–]Matvalicious 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Excuse me, I am Duvel-kin and I find it EXTREMELY triggering if I see people drink my brethen.

Also, please tag all other beers you mention because I might experience PTSD from them. Stay safe!

[–]Knoflookperser 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I disagree with you on this -and the majority of the commenters-. Why are you offended that they aren't offering any beer? Bring your own or don't show up. Demanding your right to have a beer and be offended if they wont serve you is your problem.

[–]tripomatic 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

To a lot of people it will feel as if they are reversing things. Instead of offering an alternative to people who do not drink alcohol, they force everyone to adapt to the minority's preference. It's like a school only offering halal meat or only serving vegetarian dishes, not to offend those who have these food regimes as their lifestyle. So they say they want to be inclusive yet they take away free choice from the majority.

[–]Knoflookperser -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

free choice from the majority.

I would definitely agree with you if it was a school because of the lack of options you offer to them. But this is a small festival.

This whole thing makes me think of Boombalfestival a few years back. That's a festival with a lot of left -wing, hippie folks. The bar only offers oxfam drinks. You could get mad at them because Coca Cola is the majority, but it would be pretty pathetic if you trow a fit about it. Organisation decides, you don't show up or shut up.

I really don't understand why this is so controversial. A 133 comments long shitshow with downvotes all around because people disagree with a minor decision? Who's actually offended here?

[–]MadAce -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're not forcing anything to anyone, which they could have done easily if they wanted to by organising the event on private property.

And minors were absolutely in the majority for the entire day.

[–]seutje -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's like a school only offering halal meat

You'd be surprised how often you end up eating halal without noticing.

[–]historicusXIII 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why are you offended that they aren't offering any beer?

I am not. That's some serious twisting of my words. I was asking why someone else would be offended if I drink a beer.

[–]Knoflookperser 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I never tried to twist your words, but I am merely expressing the feeling this tread is giving me.

A small organisation holds an event and decides not to give beer and all of a sudden our rights as Belgians are harmed? This decision seems to have a deep emotional impact on some of the commenters here.

[–]historicusXIII [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not a secret that PVDA gets a lot of votes from Islamic youth in big cities. That same Islamic youth (or is it?) that people see leaving for Syria or supporting radical ideas on tv. A PVDA event doesn't serve alcohol, while Islam forbids alcohol, and hup, a connection is made.

A lot of people fear a scenario where the Muslims will replace our laws with their religious laws. They see a party that's very dependent on Muslim votes not serving alcohol at an event as a first step. It's about our right to drink beer, it's part of the bigger picture of Islamisation of Europe. People aren't offended, they're scared.

Note that this isn't my opinion, I'm just explaining the logic behind the controversy.

[–]Zakariyya 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am not. That's some serious twisting of my words. I was asking why someone else would be offended if I drink a beer.

To be honest, that's the exact same way as the words of the organization are being "twisted" or "reinterpreted" if you will.

[–]MadAce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm wondering where it says anyone was offended by anything?

[–]El_juez 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (40子コメント)

So they want everybody to feel welcome so they don't serve alchohol, what about the 90% of Belgians that do drink,aren't they welcome?

How can somebody be offended by a beverage?

Arm vlaanderen

[–]Maroefen 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I was at the studenten vergadering organizing it, we wanted alcohol, but we where told as it was an initiative from the jongeren section (-18) there would be no alcohol.

Its what that Jos D'Haese guy said.

Interesting.

[–]MadAce -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Interesting.

How so?

[–]Maroefen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

He gave two different explanations, to me this is interesting and i'll ask him about it.

[–]MadAce -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

??? Which two explanations did he give?

And please do ask him about it. IIRC he's quite young, so feedback is pretty welcome I bet.

[–]Maroefen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

1) people might get offended by alcohol being served.

2) Its organized by young kids for a young audience.

[–]MadAce -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

1) people might get offended by alcohol being served.

Huh? When did he give that explanation?

[–]Maroefen 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

At the vergadering meeting i was at.

[–]MadAce -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (27子コメント)

Who says they weren't welcome? No one who brought their own alcohol was turned away as far as I could see.

EDIT: If they wanted to ban alcohol they could've easily done that by hosting the event on private property. They have hosted events on private property in the past (not to ban alcohol, of course).

[–]El_juez 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Offcourse not, this was an event on public grounds they would simply have no legal grounds to remove people.

That aside by stating that no alchol will be served so the rest will feel welcome they're litteraly implying that people who drink alcohol are not welcome since they would make the other people feel unconfretable. Which may or may not be true in reality.(i wasn't there so idk) It's a weird statement to say the least

[–]MadAce -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They could've easily hosted the event on private property if they wanted to completely ban alcohol.

They're implying whatever people want them to imply. There's more than one reason why people don't feel welcome at a festival aimed at minors serving alcohol.

There's a huge, massive difference between not serving something and the people consuming that thing not being welcome.

At Manifiesta there's a whole section for kids and there's no alcohol being served there, there is in the rest of the festival.

We both know what some people are implying and it's literally insane.

[–]MadAce -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This was a perfectly civil, on-topic comment that contributed to the discussion.

Why was it so heavily downvoted?

[–]Zakariyya -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because you're defending lefties and Muslims man. Don't worry about it.

[–]nixie001 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Implying the downvoters are "onverdraagzaam"?

[–]MadAce -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't even have any fucking clue why this entire thread is about Muslims somehow...

[–]MadAce -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Could someone with a modicum of testicles gather the courage to explain as to why this comment was downvoted? Anyone?

You can make a throwaway account, you know.

[–]El_juez 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (19子コメント)

personally i'd say it's because you come of a little strong by carpetboming the entire thread going bruce lee on everybody.

Even if it wasn't their intentions to imply wathever everybody is reading it as you can atleast admit that is was a bad pr move that they're now catching shit for. It has happend to every party and every politician and unless you're Jos D'haese i wouldn't worry about it to much stress ain't good for the hart

[–]MadAce -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

That's not a valid reason, by a long shot.

everybody

No, not really. This isn't a shitstorm at all. Only because you want it to be.

you can atleast admit that is was a bad pr move

"PVDA serves alcohol at event aimed at minors"

Every move is a bad PR move for some people. They won't be judged fairly and without bias. It won't happen.

But again, I agree. They shouldn't speak with the enemy, being the press. And apparently the PVDA disagrees. Their loss.

It has happend to every party and every politician

That's a pretty disgustingly cowardly cop-out and factually untrue.

[–]Inquatitis 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your argument could be seen as disingenous. And thus to be not actually contributing but merely looking to start a fight because nobody can prove that people who purposely ignored the intent of the decision to not serve alcohol were turned away.

[–]MadAce -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I don't want to start a fight. People are just assuming stuff, I was there and therefore can contribute to the discussion and of course I'm then downvoted. That's how /r/belgium works.

[–]nixie001 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This time it's PVDA, next time it's SPa andere last year it was NVA. These kinda things happen frequently. People make a big deal out of something stupid and others try to explain the opposite. Having one guy "aggresivly" reply and tell all the others they are wrong is prone to be downvoted. Undiserved.

[–]MadAce -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I was being downvoted in this thread long before I was being more... Rude. (Even tho I've been perfectly civil and retracted any thing rude I could find)

I disagree that every party is put under this kind of scruteny. This BS is just a whole new level.

[–]nixie001 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Of you fail to see the resemblence with similar "shitstorms" by other parties none of us is gonna be able to explain it to you.

[–]El_juez 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I think you're overestimating the intrest i have in PVDA, which is quite frankly zero. This is literaly politics 101. When you make a statement and don't think it trough you'll get it trown back in your face. Plopsaland sells beer, i doubt anyone cares about it.

[–]MadAce -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

You're interested enough in the PVDA to make a judgment or two.

You're making it out to be a run-of-the-mill thing to happen in politics. It absolutely is not in any way. Of course you know that.

[–]El_juez 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

please how often has BDW been the target of similar things? They even put a dead pigshead in front of his door and made deathtreats towards his family.

'hoge bomem vangen veel wind'

[–]MadAce -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

There are plenty of small political events like these people don't give a fuck about. Except this one.

[–]El_juez 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

remember 3 drunk KVHV-gent member singing a stupid student song? it was a headline on the 7'oclock news.

Honestly this discussion is clearly going nowere so i'd suggest we'd end it here.

[–]tripomatic 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You just feel more scrutinized by this because you feel it concerns you. There's no real difference between this topic and the many, many topics about other political parties or events.

There's a topic here about my employer almost daily. I gave up giving a shit about that quite a while ago. There will always be plenty of people being negative about something even though they know jack shit about the subject. It's not worth putting your energy in that kind of petty internet discussions.

[–]LurkVille 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maar thuis is waar mijn Stella staat

[–]Finniemc 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Celebrating diversity and being tolerant by catering to the lowest common denominator because "people should feel at home". Unbelievable.

[–]Zakariyya 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Who are they catering to that you call "the lowest common denominator"? Aren't you jumping to conclusions there?

[–]Finniemc 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Not exactly. Christians don't have problems with alcohol, non-believers don't have problems with alcohol, even Hassidic Jews can drink alcohol and most of the muslims of North African descent aren't going to stay away because there's alcohol and the ones of Turkish descent probably prefer it.

So who are these people that need to be catered to by not having alcohol?

[–]Zakariyya 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So who are these people that need to be catered to by not having alcohol?

Well, you say "non-believers don't have a problem with alcohol" as if religion must be the main drive here. You don't have any friends that don't drink? I do (and they don't believe in God either, what a double whammy). People drinking doesn't offend them, but I know that non-drinking activities are preferred, just because they don't feel like there's a barrier between them and others. The idea that a non-drinking-activity might be "more inclusive" isn't completely wrong, nor do I see why it needs to be read d'office like "not wanting to offend anyone" instead of "including everyone". Someone asked why somebody would need to be offended by you drinking beer ... can't we turn that around and ask why them not offering beer needs to be taken as "offensive" ?

Some other guy here noted that it was a decision from the under 18 sections. God forbid that the youth tries to have a party without alcohol.

I mean, come on. Spijkers op laag water hoor.

[–]Knoflookperser 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

can't we turn that around and ask why them not offering beer needs to be taken as "offensive" ?

Exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks

[–]Finniemc -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well, you say "non-believers don't have a problem with alcohol" as if religion must be the main drive here.

I gave examples of all four major lifestyles in Antwerp: Christians, Jews, Muslims and non-believers. Nice of you to ignore that little titbit. And yes: when talking about putting group restrictions on food, drink, gender etc religion is the main driver.

You don't have any friends that don't drink? I do (and they don't believe in God either, what a double whammy).

I hardly drink and I very much don't like drunk people. I really don't see the point you're trying to make. I also know people that refuse to eat fries ... yet they were still sold. "Tolerance" you know?

The idea that a non-drinking-activity might be "more inclusive" isn't completely wrong, nor do I see why it needs to be read d'office like "not wanting to offend anyone" instead of "including everyone".

Because you're catering to the lowest common denominator. What's next? No pork? No shellfish? If it's held on a friday you can only serve fish? The wonderful thought that excluding things makes a rally for tolerance more inclusive is a paradox.

can't we turn that around and ask why them not offering beer needs to be taken as "offensive" ?

This has already been addressed. Not offering beer is not offensive an sich but the explanation that was given to the press was that "everyone needs to feel at home". That's a dubious statement to make. Again: if he had simply said: look this is a youth manifestation and we have a lot of under-age people here no one would have thought twice about it.

[–]MadAce 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They don't serve alcohol at events for minors.

They do serve alcohol at 95% of their events, which are aimed at 18+.

Religion doesn't have anything to do with this whatsoever. If that were the case they would've just organised the event on private property and actually banned alcohol.

[–]MadAce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No one would ever believe it to be minors and their parents, to whom the event was aimed.

[–]LoDDiamond 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So minors dont feel at home when there is alcohol?

[–]ModoZ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You can or you can't approve the decision made by PVDA (even if I find it normal to ban alcohol from events for children), but the real problem here is the complete lack of thought process from the guys who do communication there. The fact that this will be negative press is so obvious ! You can't honestly think people will look farther and remember more than the title here (even if it's not reality).

I'm amazed a political party that wants to have his members elected to the parliament would be this unprofessional.

[–]Zakariyya 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm amazed a political party that wants to have his members elected to the parliament would be this unprofessional.

Technically it's their Youth-branch that did this.

Also, really? Have you seen how CD&V, sp.a, VLD and N-VA communicate? Non of our parties are very good at the whole thing, in fact, they're hilariously bad at it. This was a dumb move by the PVDA, but lets not act like this is some stand-out fuck up compared to others. :)

[–]MadAce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How was this a dumb move?

[–]ModoZ -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, I overreacted a little bit yesterday. ;) I find it sad our political parties don't have clear and professional communication strategies. I mean, I love subtle things where you could say - "Nice idea, this has really been thought through" and not blunt direct "baraki" style.

[–]MadAce -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The fact that this will be negative press is so obvious !

Not to me. At least, not from the wording. To me it's perfectly obvious what they mean.

Tho, I do agree that they should not expect anything but slander from the media and only communicate with that in mind.

The title here, BTW, is a lie. A blantant fucking lie. Alcohol was a allowed. It's also not the title here isn't the title

[–]ModoZ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well it should be pretty clear that if you organize an event called "Diversity in Antwerp City" you don't say you ban alcohol sales in order for everyone to "feel at home". This is clearly looking for trouble or living far from reality...

Don't mix up what you understand, and what majority will understand (at least if the objective is to have your political message heard).

Btw, you don't need to play on words, alcohol was allowed, only not sold. Only the latter will be remembered.

[–]MadAce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No. It's not.

They don't serve alcohol at events aimed at minors. They do serve alcohol at all other events, of which there are plenty.

People's interpretation of this is completely illogical.

[–]ModoZ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's not illogical. People won't have the background and will only judge superficially.

But they will judge, be certain of that.

[–]MadAce 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It absolutely IS illogical. They involve religion while there is no indication whatsoever to think religion was, is or will be a factor.

So far only people with a certain pre-formed opinion came to the conclusion that religion was somehow involved.

[–]Tajil 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Are people really getting agitated by this? Would these same people be mad if they only served apple juice instead of orange juice? No alcohol at a party shouldn't mean that there isn't fun to be made. But you can also say that the people who don't drink alcohol should just order something else. In anyway, no reasons to be mad.

[–]El_juez 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

It's their 'justification' that bothers me. If they didn't serve alchol because they don't want people getting drunk i get that. when your not serving beer -our national beverage- because you're affraid of offending people then thats just being a coward

edit: i don't even drink myself, well not regulary anyway

[–]Tajil 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

true, that is a bit stupid

[–]MadAce -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

People seriously don't give a flying fuck as to what or wasn't served. They're just grasping at straws to find any way to destroy the positive message from a few young people.

BTW, Manifiesta is also a 90% PVDA-affair. There is alcohol served there, even hard liquor. Not in the section aimed at minors tho.

Damn. I'm genuinely upset people find it so easy to twist on something nice. Why didn't I see this coming is beyond me.

[–]watewate[S] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

According to the article, the guy who organized this event explained that there was no alcohol available "because everyone should feel at home", in other words, if there was alcohol available there could be people who "don't feel at home" and we should cater to them.

So people who are claiming to be tolerant and diverse are doing exactly the opposite and being totally hypocrite. That's what this "fuss" is about, nothing else. I guess Jos could be misquoted or watherever, but I don't see anything in your little rant that points to a misunderstanding of any kind.

[–]MadAce -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hey. I know words are hard. Seriously, I understand. So that downvote button is just so super easy if you can't form the words in your mind other than "no fuk u". But try and then explain why this perfectly acceptable comment was downvoted.

Thanks!

[–]psychnosiz 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

While the reason might be unfortunate, why persist in having alcohol on family events ? People get hurt on innocent alcohol related events regularly.

[–]Nechaef 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree, when my spawn was younger I preferred going to events without alcohol, that diminished the drunken idiots attending. Diminished not eliminated this is still Belgium after all.

[–]MadAce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People drank alcohol there. Less than 10 meters away one could buy alcohol (hence why I'm very surprised the article mentions people missing a beer, as it was readily available). If they wanted to completely ban alcohol (which they have never done at any of their events, no matter where, no matter for which public, no matter when) then they could've held it at a private venue.

"The reason" some people think it is, doesn't make one iota of sense.

[–]JebusGobson 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

*Boots up Reddit while the printer is running

*Sees this thread

*100 comments

*"I'm certain this will be filled with civil conversation"

[–]MadAce 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's filled with insanity.

[–]M4rkusD 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Actually, it's pretty simple. It's a public event organised by a political party. If you want to drink alcohol, don't fucking go to the event. It's Antwerp, there's a million things to do there. A lot of which does involve alcohol or offers at least the chance at alcohol. I'm not a PVDA voter, far from it, but this is much ado about nuffink.

[–]MadAce 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Actually DO go to any PVDA-event aimed at 18+, there will be alcohol there. ;-)

[–]elbekko 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

"We willen dat iedereen zich hier thuisvoelt en daarom besloot de organisatie dat het beter was om geen alcohol te serveren"

The literal quote.

Now let's take a look at who would stay away from an event where alcohol is served. Children? Nah, they don't care. Young adults? Ha. Adults? They'd enjoy a cold beer on a hot day. Old people? Ditto.

So all that's left are different divisions, you know, the kind of divisions they're trying to fight with this event...

If they'd just said "we chose to not serve alcohol because of [the children/crowd control/we didn't have a liquor license]" nobody would've batted an eye. The problem is in their wording, plain and simple. And if you don't see this, maybe you're trying to be a little too apologist about your favourite party.

[–]MadAce 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The problem is that people are interpreting things as they wish, whether it makes any sense or not.

Why didn't they just lie, in stead of use wording that people can interpret wrongly, if they were plotting to ban alcohol? Why didn't they organise it on private property if they wanted to ban alcohol?

Why does everyone assume this have anything to do with religion when the PVDA's or Comac's events ALWAYS serve alcohol if they're not aimed at minors?

It's a simple fact that there are two interpretations of that explanation.

One is self-evident, supports the rest of their decisions and is in line with all of their previous events.

The other explanation makes a jump in logic (somehow involving religion), contradicts the choices they made organising the event and contradicts all of their previous events.

Do I think they should've worded it differently? My personal opinion is that they should just refrain from speaking with certain press.

I think there are people who want to imply the PVDA aims to cater to conservative Muslims and since that is a completely insane notion they need to grasp at straws and interpret everything that hasn't been drafted by a lawyer in a way that makes no logical sense whatsoever.

[–]elbekko 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Read the man's words. "We willen dat iedereen zich hier thuisvoelt".

It isn't a "jump in logic" to take his words literally. It's a jump in logic to claim anything else.

Why didn't they just lie

I'm not saying they should lie, I'm saying they should have a better reason than not wanting to step on anyone's toes.

Why didn't they organise it on private property if they wanted to ban alcohol?

They didn't ban alcohol, they just didn't serve it. The problem is the message they're sending, not the alcohol.

It's a simple fact that there are two interpretations of that explanation.

Just two? Maybe they were commanded to do so by Lord Xenu, that's at least 3 now.

[–]MadAce -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There's a massive difference between wanting everyone to feel at home and not wanting to offend anyone. There's no indication whatsoever that potential offense is a factor in this.

They're no sending any message, apart from that they don't serve alcohol at events for minors.

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[–]MadAce -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I was there. More than a few people having beers (vending machine 10 metres away, 2 local night shops that I can think of). No problem whatsoever.

Kinda disgusting people are desperately trying to discredit a wonderful initiative.

But I'm very disappointed in myself I didn't see this coming because I underestimated people's rabid and boundless hatred. My bad.

BTW, not that anyone cares, but at events of the PVDA aimed at 18+ there's plenty of alcohol. Think local meetings (there's always a bar), New Year's drinks and Manifiesta (which has like 10 bars, hard liquor, and a café on the premisses). But let's just ignore that.

[–]kroepoek91 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Think local meetings (there's always a bar), New Year's drinks and Manifiesta

Did those events cater to Muslims? That might explain why there was alcohol there and not on this event.

[–]MadAce -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes. Abso-fucking-lutely did those events cater to everyone, just like the event yesterday, therefore including Muslims.

Have you ever been at those events?

[–]MadAce -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Anyone care to explain why this was so heavily downvoted? As far as I can see is it's kinda nice to have an eye-witness account, right? Or not? :-/

[–]Idahoo32 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Ctrl+F 'MadAce' - 49 results...

[–]MadAce 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's not a reason to downvote. Besides, I was being mass-DV'd before I had so many comments.

[–]callmemandy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

When you say stuff like this

http://www.reddit.com/r/belgium/comments/35mlmy/no_alcohol_at_diversityinantwerpcity_event_by/cr6dkj0?context=2

you lose your moral superiority and right to complain about downvotes. If you participate in a competition don't be mad if you lose it.

[–]MadAce 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Evening things out does me more good than "moral superiority" ever will. I never started the competition. If it were up to me /r/Belgium would be a very different place.

[–]thetaiyaki -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then why don't I feel at home by the people there that don't want people to drink alcohol?