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[–]cassius3000 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It has been a couple of days now, and the text messages and calls are continuing. He will call for hours on end, sending message after message stating that he is going to call the cops and get her arrested, get her fired from her job, he's going to send these photos to everyone he knows that works and goes to the school and everything else.

TBH, the intensity of his actions makes me think it's likely they had intercourse. I'm not saying this as any sort of relationship advice but just as a perspective that might be relevant to the legal situation your wife is facing.

EDIT: Also -- she took him to her parents house and they were laying next to each other on the couch and they kissed. Seems obvious her parents weren't around. Which begs the question -- why does a teacher take a 16 year old student to her parents home while her parents are away if not for illicit purposes.

[–]Krunt 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, and honestly, even if they didn't have sex, if the kid wants to ruin her life it won't matter. He's an emotionally disturbed 16 year old, and she was in a position of authority over him. They at the very least have evidence she sent him sexually suggestive pictures, and they've spent days together completely unsupervised. There's no way in hell any jury would believe they didn't have sex if that's what the kid says happened.

[–]Ozzyo520 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yep, you don't send vag pics before sex, that's just weird. Op, your wife slept with him, you need to consult with a criminal defense attorney like right now, literally.

Edit: make sure you don't do anything stupid to get wrapped up in this legally. Don't talk to the kid, don't delete things, don't do anything wheresoever that could even be remotely illegal. You can't help your wife undo this. Don't be stupid man.

[–]idontwantaname123 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

that edit is probably the best advice in the thread. Op, don't do anything stupid and go talk to a lawyer in real life today/ASAP.

[–]cassius3000 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Word!!

[–]idontwantaname123 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It seems to me it is likely. And even if they did not have intercourse, if he says that they did, with all the other evidence already, prosecutors and a jury are going to believe him.

[–]nimble2 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (0子コメント)

where to start...

Just because you and your wife can no longer access the images that she sent the kid, doesn't mean that the kid didn't take pictures of them and save them.

Your wife probably had sex with the kid but is afraid to tell you about that. But even if she didn't have sex with him, she SHOULD lose her job, and her teaching certificate, and she should be charged with sending pornographic images to a minor and possibly more.

She MUST cut off ALL communication with this kid. ANY continued communication will ONLY make things worse, not better. He will probably try to escalate to get her to communicate. If it gets too bad, then she will have to try to get a restraining order against him, which will likely result in the full situation coming to light - at which point she will get what she deserves.

[–]rabidstoat 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point, I'm assuming her job is probably fucked anyway, if she loses her job we can live, but how is she legally responsible? Could she really be arrested for this?

Just in case the other comments are not sufficient for explaining the seriousness of this matter: this is a serious matter. This is a 'go to prison' matter. This is a 'registered sex offender for life' matter. This is a huge, ethical breech of trust on her part, and frankly the quote above makes me boggle over how you could not see that she is 'legally responsible' for this.

[–]Slow_Snail 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

IANAL but I am a teacher.

Your wife has violated her ethics clause in her teaching and licensing contract. She will lose her state license to teach and she will be fired when this comes to light. She will probably be unable to get another license anywhere in the US. This process will likely take 3 months to a year depending on how much evidence there is. She will be put on some kind of unpaid administrative probation and removed from the school immediately after the allegation is made to the administration. All it takes is just a phone call to administration. They don't even need proof to remove her (but it seems like they will have proof).

Your wife is not a teacher anymore. You need to be considering a swift move to another career. Hopefully one that does not involve adolescents. Hopefully one that does not involve any kind of professional license because she will not be able to answer the question: "Have you ever had a professional license revoked or suspended?" truthfully.

Your wife needs a lawyer. She needs to not talk to anyone about this except her lawyer and her therapist. You both need couples therapy. She should also apply for a leave of absence tomorrow. You need to sit down and look at your finances to see how her loss of income and your new lawyers/therapist fees are going to be paid for.

Your advice to stop all contact with the student is absolutely correct. I wish she had followed it months ago and never put both of you in this situation. Maybe change the cell number?

Do not contact the cops. No one is going to care that he's harassing you guys when it turns out that your wife is his molester. There is very little that he could do that would outshine that glaring fact. There are plenty of people who would support a molested 16 year old shooting his rapist despite murder being very illegal and frowned upon. That's how the media will spin this and how your community will view her.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I am assuming (and everyone else will too) that she had sex with this kid. Even if she didn't, she's still done enough to be fired and to lose her license. In addition to the legal stuff.

[–]Krunt 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not that I really want to give this woman advice for avoiding criminal charges, but talking to a therapist about this is an absolutely terrible idea. Medical professionals do not offer the same protections as an attorney-client relationship. In fact, just the opposite. If she admits this to a therapist, they're legally required to report it to the police and her statements would be used against her.

[–]hillkiwi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That seemed odd so I looked it up - you're right:

If, in the course of working with you, your therapist learns that a child has been or will be abused or neglected, we are legally required to report this to the appropriate authorities.

State University of New York

http://www.upstate.edu/currentstudents/support/scc/confidentiality.php

[–]sabek 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This happened in my town. It's worth noting this kid was 18 and still came down hard because he was still in school for 2 more months.

http://www.newarkadvocate.com/story/news/local/2015/01/06/heath-counselor-gets-two-year-prison-sentence/21345575/

[–]AnotherGuyinOhio 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, you can be arrested for disseminating pornographic images to a minor.

[–]neenoonee 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Stop talking to him, she wont talk him down, she's making it worse for herself and the child. Get legal representation NOW.

I'm not going to give you relationship advice, that's none of my business, but your wife is looking at being put on a list. The enormity of what she's done is huge. She was in a position of trust and abused this trust - for this young man to be in that school in the first place tells us an awful lot and she's taken advantage of her position.

It is worth noting that this kid is 16 years old.

Doesn't matter, you don't become less of an offender because the person you abused was only two years below the legal age of consent and not 5 or 10 years below that.

[–]plugmefulloholes 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there a point when he will be more "legally wrong" than she is? Or does it not matter what he does now because of what she has done?

What he's doing is illegal, what she has done is catastrophically illegal. Neither erases the other. There's a good chance she will end up arrested anyway. Contacting the police all but guarantees that outcome.

[–]Tidbitter 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I can't resist: Leave her as soon as practical. Even if you get through this round relatively unscathed (no money down the drain, no jail time for you, etc.) she'll do something similar again eventually and drag you down with her. You'll continue to be her crutch until you make the move - or until she finds the man she thinks she wants to be with more than you and leaves you.

[–]nimble2 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ditto

[–]oddoboy 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Get a good devorce lawyer and do it immeadiately instead of spending all of your money on her defence attorney. Get out of that relationship immeadiately and save yourself from the unknown. It is your safest bet.

[–]Zapopa 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Hmmm. Your wife is a predatory rapist who preys on children who are in a vulnerable and chaotic life situation. And you are a delusional cuckold who wants to blame the victim for your wife's sick behavior. The age of consent in NY is 17 idiot. Feel free to go to the cops then you can be assured you can beat off thinking about your wife with other women in prison. Both of you have your heads so far up your asses you have zero perspective. Go hire a good criminal defense attorney and see what they can do. That's it. Anything else that you two genius's come up with will only make it worse.

Ps. Don't tell me she had no sexual contact with him. She did.

[–]Ozzyo520 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Come on man, I'd be in a weird state too. Op did nothing illegal, he is simply asking for advice. This response isn't necessary.

[–]Zapopa 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Really? Did you read his post? He's an asshole that thinks that the child is at fault for manipulating and seducing his poor flower of a wife. Bullshit. What's illegal is letting delusional idiots continue to walk around with their delusions. It doesn't move society forward. Right now it's him and poor misunderstood Lady Schoolmarm against this evil horrid boy from a shitty part of town. Why he's such a shitty kid he's in an alternative school. Of course he's crap, we need to call the cops because he keeps managing to talk my wife out of her panties. Bullshit. This is a fucked up kid with a bad life or he wouldn't be where he is. She's an adult. If OP wants to help his wife he gets a her a therapist and a lawyer. And if he wants to stop being a dick, he stops blaming the child because it makes him feel better than the reality of her choosing the child over him. So fuck em.

[–]cassius3000 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm just wondering how you 'convince' a woman to send you pictures of her naked vagina against her will. Obviously some super-secret skill they only know about in the projects.

[–]Ozzyo520 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I don't necessarily disagree but this isn't /r/judgemeandtellmehowhorribleiam. This is /r/legaladvice where people can come to ask for legal advice without being attacked and destroyed.

It's completely irrelevant what your opinion of op is, that's not the point of this sub.

[–]cassius3000 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I (EDIT: somewhat) agree with you. But after rereading the OP I think it's hard to escape the notion that OP has this delusion that the kid's actions are 'worser' than his wife's and that therefore everything is OK.

Frankly I don't much care why that kid was at that school. If he's there because he is unstable that's not an excuse. In fact, that's all the more reason to not chatfuck him or meatfuck him.

[–]HolyFingShitDude 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Op did nothing illegal,

We don't know if he did or not.

If he's helping his wife destroy evidence he's going to jail.

[–]Ozzyo520 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Well yeah, but it doesn't sound like he has done anything illegal yet

[–]HolyFingShitDude -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Based on his side of the story I'd be more willing to bet that charges will be brought against him and he'd be found guilty.

[–]cassius3000 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you talking about obstruction or something else?

[–]HolyFingShitDude -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is how I see it happening.

Wife gets reported and arrested. Since she's nuts she immediately turns on him and starts making shit up to get him arrested too.

He gets lawyer that gets him awesome deal if he'll testify against wife. Since he's stupid and a big pussy he refuses.

Meanwhile crazy wife happily testifies that he knew and helped hide it and destroyed evidence.

He gets found guilty along with her.

[–]idontwantaname123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Idk man, I'm usually against these kinds of responses in general... but in this case the original post makes him seem delusional at best. He does not seem to understand that his wife had sex or at the very least sent naked pics to a 16 year old that she had power over. He seems to think there is some way out/what she did is not as bad as an already unstable boy being unstable after it.

The language he uses makes it seem as though he thinks this is no big deal and can all just blow over. Even worse, he seems to think the kid is the one more at fault and not his wife.

[–]Usernameavailabl 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In most states, because of the teacher/student relationship, regardless of the age of consent, it is a felony. You now possess this information as well so you have to protect yourself. Teaching license is gone. Yes what the kid is doing is wrong and illegal but the key word is, he is a 16 year old kid who obviously has social and psychological issues beyond reasoning with him. Tidbitter' s advice was probably right on the money.

[–]psuedonymously 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's some advice: Your wife should surrender her teaching certificate regardless of whether this kid acts on his threats. If you want to stay married to her, that's your business, but there's no way she should be in a position of responsibility around kids.

The right thing to do would be for her not to further manipulate a vulnerable minor to cover her own ass, but to cut off contact with him completely. If that prompts him to bring evidence of her misconduct to light, she should accept the consequences for it.

[–]HolyFingShitDude 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you have kids get them into therapy to make sure she didn't rape them either.

She needs a criminal defense lawyer.

You need a divorce lawyer.

If there are no kids. Don't ever have kids with her because she'll be a sex offender and CPS will always be knocking.

[–]SageofHalo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP - you should not be trying to repair this marriage. You got cheated on by a child molester. She breached every ounce of trust and confidence you placed in her, the school, state and children placed in her...is this really someone you want to continue spending your life with?

Rather than try and figure out what her legal culpability is (hint - she's thoroughly fucked and should go to prison for a very very long time) you should be figuring out how to leave her and get as far away from this situation as you can in as short a time period as you can.

Run OP. Run as far and as fast as you can.

[–]idontwantaname123 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

not a lawyer... but I am a teacher so I know a little bit about it from some ed law courses and stuff like that.

This is go to jail stuff. It seems pretty cut and dry. They probably had sex, but even if they didn't, it's still jail and sex offender list for life. her license is gone. it's gone for every state likely. she will never teach again.

I'd get a lawyer ASAP. Don't talk to the kid. Don't try to delete the photos or do anything that makes you a part of the crime.

You could try the wait and see approach, but I doubt this kid is going to just keep it to himself. I'd also be worried about your wife caving to his threats and sending him more shit.

[–]newprofile15 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

She needs to hire a lawyer and you need to stop making incriminating statements about your wife online. Too late I guess.

[–]34786t234890 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You need to wake the fuck up and jump ship before your wife is convicted of rape.