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Redditor posts a TIFU about a controversial game. Comment section debates whether Steam removing it from their library was censorship. (np.reddit.com)

bootswith_thefur が 22 時間前投稿

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Well then this whole conversation is pretty pointless then and is just a semantic debate about the word censorship.

I don't get why it's up for debate:

"Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.".

Seems to me that removing or suppressing a game that you don't want published pretty squarely falls within those boundaries. The fact that they objected based on the objectionable nature of the game only solidifies that premise.

And goes on to prove that the only real worry about censorship is when it's a 1st amendment violation and the rest of it falls into the realm of freedom of choice of people being able to sell or not sell what they want.

That's exactly the point I've been trying to make from the start.

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I'm not 100% certain where I'd say the limit is, but think it's somewhere in the vicinity of having hosted the material and then pulling it after the fact. If they'd denied the game a place on the Steam store from the get-go I think I'd be seeing it differently, but the fact that it was allowed at first then taken down retroactively makes a bit of a difference IMO.

Also, I think the t-shirt thing is a bad example for a few reasons:

You can only wear one t-shirt, so it could just as easily be a case of "I want to wear this other one more". Not really a good analogy to a store that plays host to thousands of different games at once.
Unless I'm being given it for free, I'd have to spend money on it. Money which I'd probably rather spend on something else that I do enjoy and/or agree with.
I am not, as an individual, expected to promote anything. To promote a message on your shirt isn't expected of a person, while being a storefront for games is what's expected of Steam.

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[–]NonaSuomi282 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 19 時間前 (6子コメント)

I don't believe you for a second that you wouldn't have the same gripes if Steam refused to host the game from the "get-go."

You're entitled to whatever delusions about my character that you fancy.

But, in any case, ignoring the apparent problems with the physical impossibilities of wearing more than one t-shirt in your lifetime, or having to pay for t-shirts

Sarcastic dismissal won't make my argument any less valid.

You're expected to wear clothes like Steam is expected to sell games. It's up to you what clothes you wear and it's up to Steam what games they'll sell. They're not expected to promote a message in the games they sell, that slices both ways.

You're conflating attributes from either side of the analogy here, and I can't quite yet tell if it's intentional or if you're just getting mixed up. I'm not expected to promote anything by wearing clothes. Steam is expected to sell games. There's no message being promoted in either case. Steam selling a particular game is not "promoting a message" any more than my wearing a white polo as opposed to a red one is. And again, listing a game on your web-store isn't exactly comparable to wearing a shirt because your storefront can potentially list tens of thousands of games at once.

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