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[–]Methuselah__ 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (6子コメント)

sucking up to Australian/American billionaire Rupert Murdoch

Could you elaborate on this? If any smaller party is guilty of sucking up to Murdoch it's the SNP.

The Sun and The Times are no friends of UKIP.

You might want to also post this to /r/ukipparty, btw.

[–]XordamondI was freed from Spandau! I'm not as bad as Hess. £ Vote UKIP £ 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (6子コメント)

All the other major parties support EU membership and mass uncontrolled immigration. There is no one else to vote for.

You haven't really given any reasons why UKIP are 'obviously wrong'. What policies of theirs do you find so objectionable?

[–]LucienReeveTolkien, Morris, Nesbitt, mieville[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Why are you against EU membership? And what makes you think that immigration is "mass" or "uncontrolled" in its present form?

I'm not answering questions about me, by the way. If you don't like that, sorry.

[–]XordamondI was freed from Spandau! I'm not as bad as Hess. £ Vote UKIP £ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Mass: involving or affecting large numbers of people or things. 600,000 gross immigration and 300,000 net is a large number.

It is uncontrolled because we have no control of the quantity or quality of migrants from the EU.

I'm against the EU because it is morally abhorrent and unnecessary. Every single law passed by the EU and every position of authority it holds is an affront to this country and democracy. Many of the things the EU does may be beneficial, but it's not for them to decide what happens here, and most of them could be done without a continent spanning government.

[–]RiggityTiggityGeordie Toff Apologist / Aspiring Social Climber 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think you're being unfair to a lot of people by taking such a lazy, judgemental view. I know a lot of people in the north east who support UKIP because they see them as the only real alternative to Labour. Voters are fed up with the only party they can identify with failing to deliver on their promises. UKIP, immigration aside, appeal to the working class and the everyman. I'd guess most supporters are attracted on the basis of the party seeming like normal people, their no-nonsense attitude providing a welcome breath of fresh air in a climate of over-prepared career politicians in suits saying nothing of substance.

[–]LucienReeveTolkien, Morris, Nesbitt, mieville[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are you a UKIP supporter yourself? Or are you just speculating?

Also, you don't know me. You have no idea how much or how little research went into my views, so don't call me lazy. I'm sure you can mind your manners.

[–]RiggityTiggityGeordie Toff Apologist / Aspiring Social Climber -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Admittedly I misread your post at the part where you said that they're probably not crazy or racist, but still somehow managed to apply the right criticism, if your other posts are anything to go by.

No, I'm not a UKIP supporter and no, I'm not speculating. As I said, I know UKIP supporters and they're ordinary people who feel like they're not being represented. The most appealing thing about the immigration rhetoric is that its a minority stance that none of the usual parties support. At this point if UKIP decided to mandate a ban on posh accents I wouldn't be surprised.

A lot of UKIP supporters are naïve. I feel bad saying it, but it's true. The implication that they're mad or evil, however, is petty and wrong. This is the fault of the major parties failing to balance the need to safeguard themselves against the press with the need to connect with the voters on a personal level.

[–]LittleDevil1centre(ish) kipper 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

UKIP don't suck up to Murdoch at all, I don't know where you got that from, I know Nigel has had dinner with him once or something, but they don't suck up to him at all, I mean, the sun attacks UKIP...

UKIP doesn't hate immigrants doing low-skilled jobs, they reasonably address the symptoms of having a huge population increase of low skilled migrants, as every country should..

Those tory millionaires that back them, how does that make them not anti-establishment, they like the anti-eu, pro freedom message, what's wrong with that.

Some people can be "ordinary" even if they had a good job and went to private school, not everyone turns out like David Cameron, a lot of people who go to private schools turn out the complete opposite, just because you go to a private school doesn't make you any less ordinary.

I'm a UKIP supporter because I want the whole of the EU disestablished. I believe it is a an unjust, undemocratic ideology, that no one ever really asked for, I think the whole of the EU should have a free trade deal but should not be linked by political union, UKIP are the main party that want to tackle that.

I also believe in basically everything in their manifesto. And I like their a little bit less than PC message, like being against mandatory diversity quotas, just pick the right person for the job dammit! UKIP just makes sense to me, be like the 190 or so other countries outside the EU, not be part of the worlds only declining trade block that festers itself around an ancient and boring undemocratic political union that is ran by people that no one knows the name of. Seems like common sense...

edit: spelling

[–]LucienReeveTolkien, Morris, Nesbitt, mieville[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for your response. Helpful.

[–]Teleoplexy 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Sovereignty, stability, social cohesion, fiscal responsibility and having a strong culture which guards against the fracturing and fragmentation brought about due to excessive neoliberal mass immigration to this country are way, way more important to me than whether somebody hates the gays or whatever.

There is a huge problem in this country that has grown up as a result of the legacy of state sponsored multiculturalism too, fostered by successive governments that is not being addressed by anyone.

Lastly, I have no faith in the EU whatsoever. In fact, I am sceptical completely of their entire model. The idea of a one size fits all set of policies prescribed for a hugely diverse group of countries with varying economies, cultures, histories, languages and traditions strikes me as the absolute height of folly and naïveté. I don't believe it can be reformed in the same way I don't think a medical association of voodoo practitioners can be reformed. The problem is simply structural; so I will support whichever party supports withdrawal.

[–]LucienReeveTolkien, Morris, Nesbitt, mieville[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Thank you for your response.

Can you provide some more references or evidence of the "huge problem" that you talk about and its connection to multiculturalism? What, specifically, is that based on?

What specific problems are you thinking of with the EU?

[–]Teleoplexy 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can you provide some more references or evidence of the "huge problem" that you talk about

Sure. The problems of multiculturalism are numerous and far more than can be dealt with in a reddit comment, but I will give a few examples of the kinds of things which are now tolerated in the UK, which never used to be, because of the twin policies of multiculturalism and mass immigration.

The first one that springs to mind is obviously the Rotherham scandal. The fact that scores of young children in the UK can be groomed, raped and bred by gangs of predatory Pakistanis, while the council and social services look the other way so as to not "rock the multicultural boat" even going as far to actually cover the crimes up, suggests to me we may have something of a colossal problem. Gangs of these types are still operating to this day in the UK.

Moving on from that, we have seen an increase in gender segregation in universities (something apparently endorsed by Labour).

We have the practice of Female Genital Mutilation now being widespread in the UK.

We have had the Trojan Horse schools. Attempt to fully takeover schools and subvert them for the purposes of Islamist indoctrination.

The fact that caste driven Pakistani clan politics has emerged in the north as a key decider of elections is fairly significant too.

We have young men fleeing to Syria to slaughter and rape in the name of their prophet, amid a slow trickle of Islamic beheadings.

We have honour killings.

We have vote rigging and electoral intimidation in Tower Hamlets.

Even more absurdly, we have also had actual ritual voodoo murder brought to our shores.

Do any of these things strike you as normal events for 21st Century England? Can you imagine these things taking place in the England of say 1920? Do you not think it is a slight aberration that we have for completely idealistic and wrong-headed reasons, imported people in great number who have, in some cases, extremely uncivilised, non-Western cultures and given them free reign? Maybe you don't have a problem with any of these things. Maybe you think they're great. I don't.

My problem with all these things isn't that they happened, it's that the conditions whereby they were allowed to happen here were encouraged and not challenged when they could have been. A policy of not importing people from backwards cultures could have stopped these things, a rejection of policies of multiculturalism could have alleviated the problems of many of them, but liberal naïveté, ignorance and extreme toleration of what is essentially evil won the day and now we have Pakistani rape gangs ruling swathes of the north.

So, in the words of Christopher Hitchens, "I don't want my country to look like some fucking Lebanon".

What specific problems are you thinking of with the EU?

Getting bogged down in specifics is, as far as I can see, intentionally choosing to not see the forest for the trees. No amount of tiny specifics are ever going to alleviate the massive existential problem which I mentioned. The existence of a supra-national body with suzerainty like the EU has, completely precludes the most important thing of all which is self determination.

Here is a great quote from an old French guy (de Maistre) who makes a similar point, but about the rights of man:

The 1795 constitution, like its predecessors, was made for man. But there is no such thing as man in the world. During my life, I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, and so on; thanks to Montesquieu, I even know that one can be Persian; but I must say, as for man, I have never come across him anywhere; if he exists, he is completely unknown to me.

Such a constitution may be offered to every human association from China to Geneva. But a constitution that is made for all nations is made for none: it is a pure abstraction, an academic exercise of the mind, according to some hypothetical ideal, that should be addressed to man, in whatever imaginary realm he inhabits.

Is not a constitution a solution to the following problem: Given the population, customs, religion, geographical situation, political relations, wealth, good and bad qualities of a particular nation, to find the laws which suit it? Yet this problem is not even approached in the 1795 constitution, which was aimed solely at man. It is no more than a schoolboy's exercise.

The idea that you can have one institution for the whole of Europe is completely antithetical to everything we know about European history. You only have to look at the Eurozone crisis to see this mistake playing out in real time.

[–]TomazimLittle England 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Great post here. It's a shame that the OP is such a piece of shit and won't make any use of it, though.

[–]washable_crayons 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OP is an utter tool by the looks of it.

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Because they're the only right leaning party representing government and immigration is going to make us a 3rd world nation.

[–]turbulentturnipsthe end times, the end times have come 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I like their flexible pensions policy,I like that they will get rid of inheritance tax. I think spending more on defence is appropriate. Their brownfield building policy is good too. I like that they will give a referendum every 2 years on whatever subject the public deems important. I also support political reform, especially getting rid of FPTP and the recall of MPs. I agree that the BBC needs to be changed in some way. I also agree about increasing the personal allowance and removing the minimum wage earners from tax.

And yes I support control immigration and I think we should leave Europe.

That's why I'm voting UKIP. UKIP aren't just about Europe and Immigration.

[–]LucienReeveTolkien, Morris, Nesbitt, mieville[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thank you for your response.

[–]turbulentturnipsthe end times, the end times have come 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No problem m8

[–]Carlswaen-3.75, -7.28 More than a star on someone else's flag. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sucking up to Australian/American billionaire Rupert Murdoch

You do realise News International tried to bankrupt Farage. Right? It was Michael Gove of all people who was still political editor of The Times that persuaded them to step down and agree to pay damages out of court,

They stood down because Farage was willing to remortgage his family's home to take on the Murdoch legal team.

as they hate on poor immigrants doing necessary low-skilled jobs

Nope. No hate for the immigrants. Hate for the levels of immigration, and hate for the politicians bringing them in when we have youth unemployment.

bashing the EU while riding the gravy-train as much as any other party;

They get paid the same as any other MEP. They voted against increasing MEP expenses (which admittedly so did Labour and the Conservatives, but not the Greens, Lib Dems, or BNP when they had them).

claiming to be outside the establishment despite being backed by former Tory millionaires;

And? Money doesn't make you bad, or even part of the establishment.

What makes them anti-establishment is that they literally want to leave an entire establishment that is the EU parliament, and then to begin slashing at Whitehall, promoting localism and electoral reform to make representatives more accountable.

presenting themselves as ordinary blokes when their leader is an ex-public schoolboy and a former commodity broker from the City.

And? Why does it matter where Mrs Farage sent little Nigel for his schooling. And lots of people from all sorts of backgrounds work in financials.

Plus, a lot of their candidates seem to be loudly, obviously bonkers. Or racist. Or both.

No more than other parties, but find a racist candidate in UKIP and they'll boot him out. No other party can say as much. They circle their wagons about them and brush over it.

Multiculturalism is bad (in some unspecified way - most respondents seem unwilling to cite details or facts);

Page 61 of the manifesto.

Australian lecturer Mike Poulsen went a little further when addressing the Royal Geographical Society. The reports went on to say, "[C]ommunities living in several UK cities face social isolation as severe as that experienced in the black ghettoes of divided American cities like Miami and Chicago, research has found." And that was only using census data up to 2001. We've had an explosion of immigration and lack of integration since then. The very policy of multiculturalism argues you don't have to integrate, and so we effectively have enclaves of communities which don't interact with each other, or concentrated migration to certain parts of the country pushing local government resources and social services to breaking point.

The alternative, as Farage has argued in the media, is inter-culturalism.


The answer to your question of why the support, is the manifesto. Read it. It is by far the most thorough of all of them, and it is fully costed.

It is the only party to have a section dedicated to Small Business.

It is the only party that has a means to significantly reduce both food shopping and energy bills whilst keeping the lights on and the factories running. To tackle the cost of living head on. The only party to do this, and the only party that can do it because it requires leaving the EU.

The only party to actually have a UK agricultural policy that isn't over a barrel with the CAP, or an alternative fishing policy which isn't anchored to the CFP.

It is the only party to have a costed ten year plan to build a million new homes on brownfield land without going into greenbelt AND to be praised by the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors.

When blind tested with the public UKIP policy came out top for healthcare and second on education.

UKIP's chair of the healthcare policy committee worked for over two decades as an NHS radiologist before going on to consult for the NHS on healthcare management. The head of the education policy committee is a former university lecturer. They put people with hands on knowledge who care about their professions to manage the policy committees, because then it means they care about the policy. This trend continues.

The disability spokesperson is a lawyer who is now confined to a wheelchair, so when she says let's scrap ATOS, make it easier and quicker to go through assessment, and put NHS GPs on the side of their patients and disability claimants she knows something about the errors of the current system. The Defence spokesperson was in the marines and the policy itself written by somebody who had studied the economics of Western militaries at the Royal Military College Shrivenham. The agricultural spokesperson and author of agricultural policy? Yep, a professional farmer, former waterways manager, and a former farmer's union rep.

All that aside, what is mentioned on page 57 of the manifesto is all the justification required to vote for this party. The section on 'Political Reform'. Everything else follows on from that. That alone, if enacted are the tools and building blocks to bring about real future changes and to make elected representatives answerable to their electorate again. It would change the face of politics.

That and if it weren't for UKIP applying pressure we almost certainly wouldn't have the 2011 European Union Act referendum lock, and we wouldn't be discussing future referendums. A vote for UKIP keeps the pressure on both that and electoral reform.

[–]KungFuSue 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the other parties have slowly dismantled our paid for support services and passed huge chunks of them to the private sector. Because multiculturalism has become a policy of wiping out working class culture in the inner cities and has destroyed whole communities that have stood for decades.

Because the working class are no longer represented in parliament. Because foodbanks is a pox on this once proud country. Because Rotherham and every other peadophile scandal involving coverups due to anti racism policies. Because of the Jimmy Saville cover up and all those other ongoing coverups of establishment figures involved in abusing and killing children. Because housing is unnafordable because foreign investors buy up huge swathes and then rent them back to people on housing benefit. Because keep trotting out the useless statement that immigration is good for the economy is no different from believing that bailing out the banks and ongoing quantative easing whilst using austerity measures on the working poor was a good thing.

Because believing that importing huge numbers of foreign doctors and nurses to the NHS doesn't just hurt this countries future but also the countries of origin where the taxpayer there funded or contributed to their education is criminally idiotic.

Because idiots that care more for the economic standing of a country on the world stage is more important because of cheap labor and investments is more important than the issue of foodbanks and rising levels of poverty.

Because commiting suicide directly attributable to current and worsening austerity measures is dismissed and overlooked by all parties because they created them.

Because pensioners in this country are in some of the worst shape financially that I've ever witnessed.

Because drug companies and the pharmaceutical industry are allowed to hold the NHS to ransom, which could be easily overcome.

Because we educate the working poor just enough that they believe if one of their family attends university they must be fucking genius or savant.

Because working class voters are labelled racist and dumb for not understanding the so called economic recovery being attributed to uncontrolled immigration.

Because the thousands of deaths each year of vulnerable pensioners due to being forced to make the decision of whether to starve to death or freeze to death. They all froze.

Because going out to fight for your country and then ending up living rough in their thousands doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone.

Because allowing a newspaper to still print its filth after being proved to have deleted messages from a murdered girls phone is fucking atrocious.

Because being working class, white and having an issue with uncontrolled immigration makes people automatically racist. Because even pointing out you have BME friends now also supports the theory that whites are racist.

Because even mentioning the word white has become racist.

Because attacking a family on a lunch did not bring criminal charges and some of those involved were giving seats on news debates.

Because threats of violence to people turning up to UKIP rallies is now OK.

Because pandering to misogynistic homophobic religious groups by the ultra left wing LGBT community under the anti racism banner is bizarre and dangerous.

Because people dying of fuel poverty whilst the price of crude was at its lowest should have become a hanging offence for those involved.

Because of constantly being asked to describe British/English culture as if it doesn't exist whilst being told to accept all cultures practices no matter how vile.

Because the working class are in worse shape than they have been in decades.

Because people automatically assume a persons color as being white therefore racist and dumb for worrying about immigration.

Because working hard and automatically becoming rich is a lie and divisive tactic aimed at the poorest in society supprted by all the main parties.

Because bombing foreign countries for humaniterian reason is fucking Orwellian.

Because financing foreign dictators for British business interests has become the norm.

Because the EU.

Because this post makes me a racist...

[–]ProfessorZ00MI do not have the right not to do so 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Only party to want to reduce immigration and oppose the multicultural agenda.

[–]CaptainFil 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Can you define the multicultural agenda?

[–]Barney101'Little Englander' 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Syzygyofsyzygies 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This old bollocks again? Neather wrote an article a couple of days later specifically calling out the articles you cite as being full of shit and making up conspiracies.

[–]Lolworth💂🇬🇧 Lib, Con+Lib, Con, Lab+Lib, death 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

1: Cultural Marxism update
2: Christmas party budget
3: AOB

[–]ippwned -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Since when is multiculturalism bad?

[–]Arffman 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Since it failed. Look beyond the metropolitan bubble.

[–]ippwned -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm not talking about any agenda. I'm talking about a society where people from different races and religions live, work and contribute to society together. Why is this so bad? Would you have an all-white Britain? Is that not racist?

[–]Arffman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem is that these different races and religions consist of humans, and humans are difficult creatures. They often think their religion is the right one, like to live around people like themselves, and are generally resistant to change. This applies to all races, not just the native one. Of course you do get those who want to assimilate - and once they do I'd argue that the 'multi' part of multiculturalism has already been a bit watered down. Basically multiculturalism works when there is significant overlap between the cultures, otherwise you'll only see friction.

[–]ProfessorZ00MI do not have the right not to do so 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Why are you confusing multiculturalism with a multiracial society?

Race is not the same as culture.

[–]Syzygyofsyzygies 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

[–]ProfessorZ00MI do not have the right not to do so 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I still don't understand how you could so completely misunderstand what I said,

I literally said I don't think we should be promoting specific races to be PM for the sake of having a non white guy be PM.

In response, you just pretend I'm saying any non whites being PM is bad.

Absolutely pathetic on your part

[–]Syzygyofsyzygies -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Nah, I'm good. Your own posts serve to condemn you with far greater clarity than I ever could.

You do have a fundamental disconnect between what you think the article said and what it actually said. Its actually really entertaining that you managed to whip yourself into such a frenzy that you couldnt resolve the two.

[–]ProfessorZ00MI do not have the right not to do so 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So you admit you were wrong?

[–]Syzygyofsyzygies -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nope. Im not wrong. You threw a complete shitfit over a misinterpretation.

[–]Arffman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The difference between saying 'wouldn't it be great to have a black PM' and 'wouldn't it be great if it didn't bloody matter what colour they are'.

[–]Barney101'Little Englander' 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

It causes unrest in society, and splits a nation, leading to religious, cultural and in some cases racial conflict. This can manifest itself in rival gang violence, self imposed segregation and political disunity.

[–]ippwned -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

And this happens every time? You're painting whole races with a very broad brush and implying that different cultures cannot coexist. Not sure which world you're living in...

[–]Barney101'Little Englander' 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Of course it doesn't happen every time, but that's what can happen. The first signs are showing in the UK at the moment, what with the Trojan Horse schools, and Muslim rape gangs.

[–]ippwned -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Bad people are bad people. They're everywhere, in every race. Blaming what bad people do on multiculturalism is flagrantly wrong.

[–]TomazimLittle England 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So you're agreeing that we have our own problems and shouldn't import others?

[–]XordamondI was freed from Spandau! I'm not as bad as Hess. £ Vote UKIP £ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Multiracialism =/= multiculturalism

[–]Barney101'Little Englander' 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But these cases are direct results of multiculturalism. The Trojan Horse schools were aimed at promoting extreme Islamist values to children, in an effort to undermine Western values. If they had their way, Britain would be a nation under Sharia law, and that was what they were forcing upon children.

The Muslim rape gangs specifically targeted white girls because they didn't hold the same levels of respect for them as they did girls of their own culture and ethnicity - a direct consequence of multiculturalism.

[–]ippwned -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The people doing these things are bad people. They are in the minority. A tiny minority. 99.9% of people live harmoniously with other cultures. If you honestly believe that Britain would be better off if everyone was white, then there's no hope left for you. You're a racist. You might not like being labelled as one, but it's what you are; and it's disgusting.

[–]BRAlN 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]sphericalUnbarraged 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Because I love my country, I don't like the changes forced upon it by the EU's regulation and the loss of sovereignty.

[–]catbackside 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (13子コメント)

For arguments sake, what changes do the EU force on Britain?

[–]sphericalUnbarraged 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (12子コメント)

70+% of our laws, uncontrolled eu migration, common agricultural policy, common fisheries policy, insane blinding carbon targets to name a few of the top of my head.

[–]catbackside -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Can you name me a few of these 70%+ laws?

[–]sphericalUnbarraged 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

do you even know that the common policies are ? there are thousands of laws covered in just the farming and fisheries policys

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Do you know how to use Google?

[–]catbackside 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I want the viewpoint of a Kipper, not mindless statistics.

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

But that is the viewpoint, 70%+ laws, whether you can name them or not doesn't negate the point in anyway, so why do you need him to name some? Would you like me to name some? I'm not sure what it would prove, without Google I can only name a handful myself.

[–]catbackside 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Which of these laws infringe you?

[–]Projectmayhem666UKIP Defence Force 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Oh dear... As a small business owner you probably asked the wrong person haha;

  • Commission Regulation (EU) No 617/2013 of 26 June 2013 implementing Directive 2009/125/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council with regard to ecodesign requirements for computers and computer servers Text with EEA relevance.

  • Legal protection of computer programs (codified version) ***I European Parliament legislative resolution of 17 June 2008 on the proposal for a directive of the European Parliament and of the Council on the legal protection of computer programs (codified version) (COM(2008)0023 — C6-0042/2008 — 2008/0019(COD))

To name 2.

[–]catbackside 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Didn't ask the wrong person, I'm a Kipper too, it wasn't a loaded question I genuinely was curious as to the beef you had with them.

[–]postcurtis -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The truth is out there mate, why ask for an opinion when you can find the fact?

You aren't Russell Brand are you?

[–]catbackside 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because he cites it as a reason for disliking the EU, I want to know what laws specifically the EU have forced on him that he dislikes.

[–]postcurtis -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Does it matter how many? Surely it's the principle of someone else deciding our laws, not the amount, that's the issue.

You're the guy that was furious they announced the weight of the royal baby in pounds and ounces, you of all people should be more understanding of peoples quirks and pet peeves, no matter how petty they may seem to other people.

[–]sbingley22 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not a UKIP supporter by any means but I can clearly see why people would vote for them.

They are the only party that would actually control immigration.

Rising population is a large problem in my view and I would personally implement a 2 child limit as will as immigration control. However I see other benefits to being in the EU and dislike some of UKIPs other awful policies.

So if you saw immigration as your biggest issue, the only real party to vote for would be UKIP.

[–]PR0G0D 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I support them because they're anti-war and their ethical immigration system would help our country. I also like how they offer free tuition on STEM courses as that would significantly help grow our economy if we had a bigger workforce educated in those subjects.

[–]LucienReeveTolkien, Morris, Nesbitt, mieville[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for your response.

[–]ShitLordXurious 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Regaining democratic control of the UK, direct democracy, electoral reform, reducing the size of the state, lowering taxes, rebuilding the British economy, free tuition for STEM fields, bringing back Grammar schools.

[–]LucienReeveTolkien, Morris, Nesbitt, mieville[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you for your response.

[–]LordCornrowWallaceI don't get to vote 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As an American, it is the only major party that isn't too far left for me.

[–]DavidNcl -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because the state is evil and the meta-state or trans-state or uber-state is even more evil.

[–]Teleoplexy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Sovereignty, stability, social cohesion, fiscal responsibility and having a strong culture") which just shows that people are still depressingly easy to take in with simple, empty advertising strategy

What do you mean by this comment? Do you think that UKIP's desire for national sovereignty and independence is 'empty'? Do you really, seriously think they would rather us be in the EU?

Do you think I've been "taken in" by the idea that social cohesion is a good idea? Not that I've arrived at that opinion myself? Why are you so bigoted that you believe that my opinions are not legitimate and only as the result of my being manipulated?

[–]catbackside -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Muh fish!

[–]LucienReeveTolkien, Morris, Nesbitt, mieville[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You describe yourself above as a Kipper. Can you please elaborate?

[–]washable_crayons -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus, a lot of their candidates seem to be loudly, obviously bonkers. Or racist. Or both.

Go on then....