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UKIP's Scottish Launch (pbs.twimg.com)

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[–]Duncs11UKIP -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (23子コメント)

I support UKIP but UKIPScotland are incredibly amateur.

[–]naturalredditor -17 ポイント-16 ポイント  (22子コメント)

UKIP in Scotland just need to sit back. Everyone else will just be tearing shreds out of each other in the coming years. Getting in the middle of it won't help. Just sit back and let the voters slowly come to you.

[–]IncompetentFoxSuch is politics; it's a painful business. 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.troll.me/images/waiting-skeleton/waiting-skeleton.jpg

[–]Spiracle 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Just sit back and let the voters slowly come to you.

OK Dougal, one last time. These are small... but the ones out there are far away. Small... far away.

[–]Timothy_Claypole 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Do you visit Earth much?

[–]naturalredditor -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Why don't you tell me how I am wrong.

[–]Parmizan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (16子コメント)

The idea that UKIP are suddenly going to start gaining support in Scotland is a bit ridiculous, to be fair.

[–]naturalredditor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I never said they will. I think UKIP should stay out of the fight. Sit on the sidelines. They can then re-enter the picture when the fight is over and things have calmed down. I even said slowly. It just baffles me how so few people can recognize and understand this. Scotland is wildly unstable right now. Instead of letting 50 people shout at you and focus on you, just stay to one side, wait for them to turn on each other as they have no one else to blame/focus on. When the dust settles and people are divided and want something different, you re-enter the picture.

[–]Timothy_Claypole 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The reason you are wrong is that your statement flies in the face of all known successful political strategies in this country. The reason UKIP are doing so well now is because of a general distrust of politicians and not because they argue a lot.

By allowing other parties to fight it out you just fail to build a voter base. And UKIP continues to be seen as a party of the English. Which is hardly an unfair representation as it stands.

[–]naturalredditor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

UKIP don't need to actually do any dividing in Scotland. They simply need to have a presence and get ready to act (rule) when the concentrations of power (SNP, Labour) begin to break up. Because Scotland is very volatile.

They have a small voter base. They should seek to retain it. But should hold back on any expansion plans in the short term. Because A it will be a waste of money and B it will impact expansion in the medium and long term. Especially given the false accusations thrown and perception of the party currently.

Wrong...

[–]Timothy_Claypole 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Did you read that wiki article?

Divide and rule is an active thing. Your idea is entirely passive.

[–]naturalredditor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Do you bother to open your mind or read and understand other people's points of view?

UKIP don't need to actually do any dividing in Scotland.

Scotland will divide itself without UKIP. Come the end of this, many parts of Scotland will finally come to the realization that it is both the type of politicians (type of party) they elect and EU that causes their ills. They can only do so much English (Westminster) blaming.

At which point many will look at who is left standing. These people (parties) will have three choices. Say we are the problem, focusing on us is correct. Say nothing. Or now begin to blame the EU. Either way many people begin to see that the UK union is not the problem and the EU is. Enter UKIP.

[–]Shivadxb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

one small problem. The ukip core message just isn't appealing to the vast majority of scots. Wrong policies, wrong people.

[–]naturalredditor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yep. I agree. Right now it isn't. All the power is being hoovered up. At some point the blame can no longer be directed at the English, Westminster and the Tories. Then what...

[–]Shivadxb 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Your'e suggesting the scots will start blaming immigrants are you? Or immigrants and Europe?

[–]naturalredditor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I am suggesting that they will begin to blame the powers within their own country. Particularly those that want to end the UK union. That others will also begin blaming the EU. While the powers in Scotland still attempt to claim it's the UK union's fault still, those south of the border. Because you see, Westminster's grip on Scotland grows ever looser while the EU's grows tighter. While the anti unions grip grows tighter.

Less and less people begin buying it's all England and the Tories fault.