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[–]prettyevil 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Feels a bit like a slap in the face for you to say 'thanks to facelessace' in the message and to refer to him as 'gracious' in the comments. He was anything but gracious and those who were here for it are anything but thankful to him for uprooting our community and spitting all over us while trying to hide what he did.

You may not have paid for the sub, you may have even wrested it away from him against his will completely and are trying to be polite about it, but it comes off as disrespectful to those of us that had to go through that drama to act like he did us a favor somehow.

[–][deleted] 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

As a company, they sadly don't have the luxury of badmouthing people in a public forum, even though it's deserved. As much as I hate them saying anything polite, I can understand why they are choosing their words carefully.

[–]prettyevil 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They do not have to good-mouth him either. There is a point where you do not have to thank them or call them gracious anymore than you have to call them an asshole. Just say it happened with reddit admin oversight.

[–][deleted] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree that they don't need to. But I also understand their desire to be diplomatic about it -- perhaps they were even required to be as part of wresting control of the sub, I don't know.

Right now, I'm happy that FacelessAce is gone for good, and cautiously hopeful that things can and will return back to the old normal ... we shall see though.

[–]Crossignal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I wonder is this part of the deal the way FacelessAce deleted his comments going back a year or so?

[–]eatstheweeds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i imagine that facelessace deleted (or otherwise removed from view) those comments due to angry users down-voting his past posts as reaction to his handling of /r/swagbucks.

[–]quitethequandary 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I think the Swagbucks admins were as blindsided as everybody else and are now trying to do damage control. I completely agree that facelessace was not at all gracious and went about everything the complete wrong way (for reasons that are still not at all clear to me) but from a PR standpoint it makes sense that they (Swagbucks) have to be diplomatic in how they phrase things.

[–]prettyevil 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Diplomatic generally includes not telling the community that got uprooted that the guy who uprooted them was gracious and they're thankful to him.

There is a difference between diplomatic and what they are saying, which is only diplomatic to facelessace and not to the people that had to go through it.

And quite frankly, if they're going to be overly diplomatic to anyone, they should be thanking the people who stuck around despite the drama profusely instead.

[–]fookineejit -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If I had Gold to give...

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

how? thats just not possible! i mean, they have an employee on the compliance / ToU team here.. so how can they be out of the loop? is the swagbucksadmin person NOT DOING THEIR JOB?

[–]eatstheweeds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What is "ToU team"? And how was it verified that Swagbucks has an employee on it?

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

terms of use / terms of service. no idea how it was verified, youll have to ask useless wonder, as he's the one who verified it (id imagine).

[–]eatstheweeds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

So this would be for Reddit Actual? The alleged assertion being that a Swagbucks employee is also employed by Reddit in official capacity?

EDIT: i'd like to learn the truth of it. But hearsay is not adequate.

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

reddit actual? no idea what that means. only thing i said was that /u/swagbucksadmin is the employee im talking about. s/he has an 'official' flair also.

[–]eatstheweeds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit Actual as in Officially Reddit. nevermind

[–]prettyevil 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Garwald confirmed that person was SB. When they first joined he actually temporarily banned them, for everyone's safety, until proof was provided by SB it was one of their employees. Then, in order to make people aware it was a real admin talking to them, he put Official flare on them.

This came in handy a few months ago when someone made SWAGBUCKSADMlN as a name and tried to scam people. They didn't have the proper flare.

This person was no more aware of what was going on with facelessace than Garwald was. Being marked with flare didn't give them any special privileges; they weren't even mods.

This is all already a mess; please don't spread false information as well.

[–]eatstheweeds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, the flair for u/SwagbucksAdmin suggests that this user is a verified employee of Swagbucks. As would the context of that users postings.

But i can find nothing which suggests that this user is an employee of Reddit. There seems to be just the rumor of a user saying so. i couldn't find the profile of this "useless wonder". But it just occurred to me that perhaps you were jesting the name of u/facelessace?

[–]Reechurd 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (2子コメント)

let's vote to give it back to Garwald?

[–]nowahhh 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone send an email to that address up there and say you want Garwald to be the top-level moderator (or at least second-from-the-top, below any official Swagbucks admin accounts).

[–]evlgns 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why should we move we have a home now we were forced out and blocked I'm not going back and neither should anyone else.

[–]trex10111 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I still don't understand what was wrong with having /u/Garwald as moderator. I don't think there were any issues before this takeover began.

One more thing- Did facelessace originally intend to give control of /r/SwagBucks to Swagbucks, or was this a recent deal of some sort?

[–]OfficialSwagbucks[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Thanks for asking. He did not originally intend to give control of the subreddit to us but he felt that it was best for the community after seeing the fallout.

[–]shatranjkakhiladi 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You mean after seeing the fallout that he created? You still aren't answering the question clearly about Garwald. What wrong did he do, or why is he not directly offered the role of the moderator here, as you wouldn't need any proofs about his abilities. He is the one who made you famous on Reddit I would say.

[–]joestrummer77 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This^

[–]fookineejit 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There should never have been said "fallout". Garwald is and has been both a coach and promoter of the brand on Reddit. If there was ever an issue with him profiteering from referrals, that could have been dealt with simply w/o the bullshit - my understanding is that that centered around a guide he penned pre-Mod and my personal feeling is that any referral SB he's netted out of that was well deserved. I, for one, would come back if he's reinstated, perhaps with some decent cohorts like the guy behind /u/SwagbucksBot maybe? Just sayin'.

[–]_BindersFullOfWomen_ 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why did he give control of the subreddit to you and not Garwald?

[–]Kentucky_Colonel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He did not originally intend to give control of the subreddit

Sooo...you boot him out via mutiny, let some inactive member of the community take over, let him make an ass of himself, and then make sure he isn't rewarded for his service. FacelessAce did a very stupid thing, but it looks like you weren't too good to screw him over, either. You gave out his 30 pieces of silver and that was it.

How loyal do you plan on actually being?

[–]13th_floor 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not one word about /u/Garwald? The "bitter sweet" part of this whole thing is how Garwald was treated.

[–]gordigor 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Eh, I think I will just stay here (r/SBS).

[–]lessthanthreesquared 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]dawnrevolution 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'm not interested in being part of the remnants of a community that screwed over the person who made it a community to begin with.

[–][deleted] 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Um, it was FacelessAce, and FacelessAce alone, that screwed over Garwald. The community played no part in this whatsoever.

[–]Gamerchris360 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is what this was about. Read the comment you replied to again. You two agree on not being part of /r/Swagbucks because of what went down over there.

Wherever the community is, I will be there. Wherever SB sponsors contests, I will be there too. Wherever /u/facelessace is will be dump sacked daily. I may or may not have done it along with a couple thousand other people.

[–]tr3ndy67 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (7子コメント)

How about you turn over this subreddit to Garwald completely and remove any Swagbucks employee from the mod team

OR prove that you will not remove any shit that you don't like and still bring back Garwald as the moderator and let him choose other mods to run it with him like he did in /r/SBS.

It worked well the way it was before when Garwald was in charge. IF IT ISN'T BROKE, THEN DON'T TRY TO FIX IT.

IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE WAY GARWALD RAN THINGS, THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE TALKED TO THEM FIRST INSTEAD OF DOING THIS.

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

agreed. turn the subreddit over to garwald. swagbucks has no business here.

[–]Gamerchris360 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Swagbucks was not involved in the shitstorm thus far. They're trying to help clean up the mess.

[–]shatranjkakhiladi 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And you know that as a fact because ... ?

[–]Gamerchris360 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is what they said. You know faceless sold the sub because?

[–]shatranjkakhiladi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't, that's why I didn't state anything as a matter of fact, unlike you. And I'm not naive enough to believe anything corporates say.

[–]tr3ndy67 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you believe everything everyone says?

You are choosing to believe what Swagbucks says when they are the same ones that will tell you "yes we will cancel your old Swagbucks account you can't use and you can use the new one" and then 2 days later ban the new one??? BTW, this actually happened to someone who posted here a couple months back

[–]Gamerchris360 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, but I can see trends. SB generally treats people fairly who give them a fair shake.

Believe what you want.

[–]heyitsjon 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The Sub was working well with Garwald running the show. Then facelessace decided to uproot the machine, despite having literally nothing to do with the success of the subreddit. What was the catalyst, /u/swagbucks, since you claim to not have paid him?

[–]hoboswagman 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Probably gave him some swagbucks.

[–]prettyevil 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

That would be counted as paying and since a reddit admin oversaw it, we know that it was at least never mentioned here that any compensation would be given in exchange for taking the sub name.

[–]fookineejit 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, so they paid him in Trident Layers. Got it.

[–]eatstheweeds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Assuming we can trust what Swagbucks says, and assuming that this particular Reddit Admin was not corrupted. i'm not saying it is so, but i am saying that based on various aspects of Swagbucks behavior, i think it certainly in the realm of possibility. In fact i think odds are that Swagbucks will be dishonest in order to "protect" brand image.

[–]eatstheweeds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well seeing as how Swagbucks repeatedly speaks of our earned Gift Cards as being "free", perhaps they do not recognize the giving of swagbucks as payment. Mostly i jest, but it is true that Swagbucks frequently speaks in terms of swagbucks being free.

[–]HeisenDiaN 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The only person that deserves to be a mod is /u/Garwald. But I wouldn't be surprised if he chooses to stay on his new sub (which is where I will be staying), seeing how /u/facelessace treated him and the rest of this community. You saying "thanks" to him is unnecessary; he deserves no thanks. Sorry for sounding so harsh but it's kind of true.

[–][deleted] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

As a company, they sadly don't have the luxury of badmouthing people in a public forum, even though it's deserved. As much as I hate them saying anything polite, I can understand why they are choosing their words carefully.

[–]prettyevil 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You can be polite without profusely thanking someone for doing bad things to others. In fact, that's the opposite of polite because it doesn't consider the feelings of those that person they're thanking did bad things to.

[–]AnnaNikole 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nope, sorry, I'm staying put on /r/SBS

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yep everyone head to /r/sbs . no need to hang around here when swagbucks official will be here.

[–]Ravenzero 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Unless garwald has something to do with the original sub. I am staying at sbs /u/facelessace went about this the complete wrong way.

[–]hoboswagman 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Screw the application. Reinstate Garwald!

[–]XicanoToker 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Garwald should send in an application. But instead of a 1,000 word essay, the application should just have a link to r/SBS

[–]Coney_Island_Hentai 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Knew they were taking it over. Did you guys pay for it?

[–]escanow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

We believe that a Swagbucks subreddit community would be better served if moderated by a Swagbucks user, who can better relate to the experiences of fellow Swagbucks users, rather than a Swagbucks employee. Our plan is to return the subreddit back to the community and given the recent turn of events we understand the need to do so carefully.

Why pay and then give it away?

[–]Coney_Island_Hentai 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I guess I shouldn't have skimmed huh.

my bad

[–]escanow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

happens

[–]chiefberkley1 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

All I want is to be on the subreddit with Garwald ):

but whatever happens I really appreciate how you're handling this!

[–]The_Asian_Hamster 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (10子コメント)

hmm im even more confused...

so is this sub going to run simultaneously with /r/SBS?

Will /u/Garwald be allowed back in to mod here? (assuming he even still wants to)

Is /u/facelessace still a part of this sub?

How involved will the official Swagbucks peoples be here?

[–]OfficialSwagbucks[S] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Once we install a moderator the subreddit will function as it did previously.

EDIT: /u/facelessace is no longer a part of this subreddit.

[–]prettyevil 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

A moderator?

Why not /u/garwald and a team of mods chosen from the applications? It's clear the community rallies around Garwald and unless you believe he did something wrong, it only seems right to offer him his spot back rather than fracturing the community between here and /r/sbs

[–][deleted] 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Garwald and Swagbucks already manage the Swaganigans sub together, so I don't believe there is any issue between them whatsoever.

[–]prettyevil 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm aware of this. I'm the one who repeatedly pointed that out when this all first started and people were crying that Swagbucks was trying to buy the sub.

I want an answer for why they don't mention Garwald at all though, even if it's just 'we're waiting for him to respond to our offer' or 'we have nothing against Garwald returning as a moderator if he wants to reach out to us to do that'.

Instead they mention the new sub as an 'elephant in the room' which is generally, in common parlance, a bad thing people don't want to talk about.

[–]eatstheweeds 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, that "Elephant in the Room" comment is really bothering me. It reads as marketing ploy to associate negative feeling towards the SBS sub.

[–]TBWolf -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Can you guys stop? Do you have no idea what it's like to be an employee in charge of the public sector of a company? They can't confirm things or make promises about specifics until the decision is already made. If he said "Yes, we will reinstate garwald" and then the company decided not to do it for various reasons, how big do you think the shitstorm would be?

[–]_BindersFullOfWomen_ 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which is exactly why a company shouldn't have control of a subreddit.

[–]prettyevil 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Even small companies know you get your ducks in a row before doing anything. As Garwald was the huge thing when Facelessace made a move, it would be fairly obvious to even a novice mom and pop team that they should get a statement about Garwald prepared before reopening with a statement. And definitely not to call the new sub an elephant in the room.

A big company that has to deal with PR all the time should have been infinitely aware of the 'get your ducks in a row' rule.

You don't shoot yourself in the foot then blame the police because they showed up to investigate and think taking your gun away might be a good idea. People are curious and want answers. Denying us answers is causing almost as much backlash as Facelessace caused in his go-around.

TLDR: No, we won't stop. If swagbucks' feelings are somehow damaged by legitimate questions then they are in the wrong business. And they definitely shouldn't be running the sub if they can't handle it.

[–]Fredelas 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The subreddit will not function as it did previously if it doesn't have the moderator it had previously.

[–]Gamerchris360 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

With /u/facelessace gone I will give it another try, but am not totally leaving here unless Garwald closes this down.

[–]scrubking 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No one is stupid enough to believe that Swagbucks didn't pay/give something to take control of this sub.

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh screw you guys wanting our swagnames just to be mod. that has no relevance to being a mod on reddit. this is already going to be a clusterfvck so ill just stick with /r/sbs, as the community there is more mature than this one ever was.

[–]Esparno 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/r/sbs is the only Swagbucks subreddit we need. Sorry you wasted your time and probably money but we won't be coming back here.

[–]_BindersFullOfWomen_ 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In regards to the moderator team of /r/SwagBucks, considering /u/garwald is a moderator in your other subreddit, /r/Swaganigans, why has he not been made a moderator here?

I feel like this is a very straightforward question, and the community would appreciate a straightforward answer.

[–]eatstheweeds 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

i'll not use this subreddit if a Swagbucks employee is part of the moderator group. In the Swagnanigans sub i had my non-offensive entry deleted without comment. Swagbucks did not explain why, nor have they replied to my comment-question nor the private-message asking why. i was not the only one. i do not take kindly to censorship. And i think Swagucks is rather rude and aloof in how they relate to community. Since Swagbucks has previously censored content, i presume they will again. Since Swagbucks staff only participate in the subreddit when they want something, i assume that they are not really in it for the community.

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

swagbucks OWNS this subreddit now, so you should just hit up /r/sbs

faceless kinda screwed over this subreddit.

[–]eatstheweeds 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Agreed. Though they do say they plan on giving this sub over to the users, i do doubt that they will relinquish top-mod ownership. Time will tell. But the way they went about this, and the way they have interacted with community (use it rather than participate in it), i do presume that this sub has been pwned by swagbucks.

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

they also paid for the sub. they might lie and say they didnt, but knowing what i do about useless, im willing to wager my sb account that he got paid.

garwald4toplevelmodorriot.

[–]eatstheweeds 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i certainly suspect it. Swagbucks has given me enough reason to distrust their word. Even if all official Swagbucks reddit accounts are removed from the sub, i would still suspect them of employing shills. These concerns i have, are based on observation of Swagbucks method.

[–]eatstheweeds 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Another demonstration of Swagbucks 'using' the community rather than participating in it, is found in the recent /r/swaganigans forum. They sponsored a community contest, but then haven't bothered to post the result. A user did say that the prize had been given to them, but no word from Swagbucks if this is true. Furthermore, a number of users noted problems with the contest, some asked questions. Swagbucks ignored all. This to me is clear indication that they don't really care about community, their only concern being the promotion of company. There is yet more reason i think this way.

[–]spring45 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"We forcibly took over something you created so we can give it back to you! We cool?"

[–][deleted] 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Um, they forcible took it over (with the help of a Reddit admin) AFTER FacelessAce forcibly removed Garwald. Let's not try to rewrite history. Swagbucks is not the villain here. Don't forget that Swagbucks and Garwald moderate the Swaganigans sub together, and Garwald was their principal contact with the reddit community. Swagbucks was as shocked as everyone else when it initially went down, and Garwald has even confirmed this.

[–]shatranjkakhiladi 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That doesn't look plausible anymore, seeing Swagbucks took over an active community of around 6k members as the end result. Facelessass really wouldn't wake up in the middle of the night and close a sub running perfectly fine without any selfish motive of his own. There certainly looks a private deal going in here somewhere.

[–]jerkiusmaximus2 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AND dont forget they supposedly have an 'official' employee on the ToU team here... so that person was obviously not doing their job if swagbucks didnt know about this >.>

[–]Hello71 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

stole

[–]prettyevil 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When are the people who were banned by Facelessace going to be unbanned so they can come back? I know some aren't exactly itching to come back anyway as they are suspicious and hurt after what happened, but you'd catch a lot more benefit of the doubt if you sorted out who to unban sooner rather than later.

[–]jaysamuel 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am having a hard time believing that there was no deal conducted to get a hold of this subreddit, there is no way in anyone's right mind they would hand over a sub just like that...

Also, I have nothing against your company, nothing but positive experiences from me, but the way that /u/facelessace announced the mod change made everything suspicious. You, /u/facelessace, nor /u/sporkicide (a damn reddit admin!) gave /u/Gerwald no explanation for why he was being removed as moderator. The reason why no one will use /r/Swagbucks anymore is because the whole thing seems shady.

I think I speak for the community when I say all we want is honest answers. By dodging discussion regarding /u/Garwald you are ruining the image of your company and how it interacts with their community.

[–]eatstheweeds 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Though my thoughts differ somewhat from yours on a few points, i absolutely agree that "all we want is honest answers". An aspect of that is respect. Respect for the people of the community. Swagbucks talks that marketing-speech, but they do not follow through.

The company talks a big talk, but in my opinion does not walk it. Not in any demonstrable way by which i would measure. Used we are, this be how i feel about Swagbucks relation to the Reddit Reader of this swagbucks Community.

And speaking of the "Elephant in the Room", why has swagbucks blatantly avoided communicating with the Community about this Communities beloved Mod u/Garwald? swagbucks has avoided direct questions from our community. Absolutely they do skirt-the-issue. swagbucks has brought an Elephant into this room. swagbucks clearly has 'issue' with this subject. Odd. Worrisome. WTH!?!

[–]gorgonzoler 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't mind having two subreddits for the same topic. For example /r/perktv and /r/getperk. I like choice; the more, the better.

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[–]_BindersFullOfWomen_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, /u/Swagbucks cross-posted it

[–]Hello71 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

a lot of positive feedback

[–]eatstheweeds 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, that is odd. So much of this is odd. Strange wording throughout. With a strong sense of coldness and control. Not warm and friendly, respectful nor all that personable. And kind'a untrustworthy for that slickness of talk. Distant and business like.