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[–]a_shill 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (57子コメント)

This ought to be good for the echo chamber.

[–]asiltopbr 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (44子コメント)

Yep, the psychology behind conspiracy theorists is really interesting.

I've read a few things saying they're the most gullible easily manipulated people out of any other group because 9/10 times they'll refuse to believe anything from from "official" media and rather than taking it with a grain of sand doing more research confirmation bias kicks in and they head on over to "independent" media which is basically propaganda/unconfirmed bullshit 90% of the time.

A lot of governments have exploited this in the past by feeding crazy stories to random independent media outlets that the conspiracy theorists then buy hook line and sinker and it makes them looks nuts.

That then discredits them because well they're nuts.

[–]a_shill 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Did you just call conspiracy theorists stupid and then launch into a conspiracy theory about conspiracy theorists?

My brain hurts.

Have you met Mr. Kettle over here, Mr. Potts?

[–]asiltopbr 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (33子コメント)

It isn't even a conspiracy theory, the Russian government did this for years.

There's a difference between a conspiracy theory and propaganda techniques used by governments.

Not sure what world you're living in.

You can also see this in the "THE WEST DID IT" bullshit around Ukraine, the Russian government pushes conspiracy theories to control idiots in the country.

[–]LloydBoyd 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Lol you argued their side too well that now they need to switch sides lmao.

Its like, in ex soviet union, if you were to stand up at a stalin speech and start to criticize him... well the next day you'd be disappeared.
But even more interesting, if after you criticized stalin, ANOTHER guy stood up and said "what are you doing! Everyone knows you can't criticize Stalin In soviet union!!"... well, that guy would disappear FASTER than you. Lol. What you see here are two shills "switching sides" to argue against that second guy (you lol).

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (31子コメント)

So its not really a conspiracy theory if you believe it?

Lemme guess. You think 19 muslims did 9/11, but the only evidence to support your conspiracy theory is a passport that miraculously survived when the black boxes didnt.

[–]burningempires 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's entirely possible to believe certain conspiracy theories while rejecting wholesale the lunatic fringe.

Without wishing to get into arguments over specifics over which ones fall into the latter category, I tend to suspect that some of the latter may be deliberately propagated by certain groups either a) to discredit other parties e.g. the Russian fabrication of the CIA creating AIDS, or b) to distract from and reduce the credibility of conspiracy theories that are based on fact, such as the use by the government of UFO conspiracists, as seen in Mirage Men.

[–]Plastastic -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

If you really think that's the only evidence then you're only proving his point.

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Please share the one piece of evidence supporting your "19 muslims" conspiracy theory that you found most compelling.

[–]Plastastic -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

The burden of proof is on the person making the extraordinary claim, I'm not going to do your homework for you.

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (7子コメント)

So basically you cant cite any evidence to support your 19 muslims conspiracy theory, yet expect everyone else to believe your conspiracy theory because you think you saw something on TV?

was it the fake Osama bin Laden video from 2004 that convinced you?

http://google.com/search?q=Osama+Bin+Laden+2004+Fake+video

Why do you think "19 muslims attacked the Pentagon" isnt an extraordinary claim that requires supporting evidence? Seems pretty far fetched to me.

[–]Plastastic -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Google is not a source, try harder.

[–]asiltopbr -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

It's not a conspiracy because there is tons of evidence of it happening.

I believe a guy that worked in Russian TV for years also has a video on youtube talking about it.

You're free to believe whatever you want, the bottom line is most conspiracy theories pushed on here are firmly debunked multiple times.

If you're interested in stepping out of your echo chamber here you go friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXA777yUndQ&feature=youtu.be

This is a video about science denial but everything also applies to conspiracy theorists.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theoies/

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2013/11/conspiracy_theory_psychology_people_who_claim_to_know_the_truth_about_jfk.single.html

Here's some more reading on it.

The entire thing is just really interesting. You have a group of people that have been studied and were found to be more gullible than anyone else thinking they know the truth.

[–]low_la 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Yep every person in this sub is exactly the same and believes everything posted on here... /s. Come on dude. Give it up. There is such a thing as a conspiracy. They do exist. Not everyone here is a gullible believe it all... You think we really want to have this argument every other fucking day?

[–]asiltopbr 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm not saying every single person on here believes the same thing, but they all share the same psychology when it comes to conspiracy theories.

It's possible to be an actual skeptic and question things but the large majority of conspiracy theorists do not do that.

They form an opinion and then refuse to leave their echo chamber.

I can find 4 on the front page of this sub that are beyond bullshit right now and they'll be upvoted.

Lorraine Day M.D., former Chief of Orthopedic Surgery: "No one died in the Boston Marathon Bombing -- nor was anyone even hurt."

85 upvotes.

Assange Reveals That The West is Behind ISIS And Ukraine Crisis And Israel Behind Hamas

1100+ upvotes, literally zero evidence or proof of this just a guy saying it.

"Seeds of Death: Unveiling The Lies of GMO's"

front page (this one made me laugh actually)

Could this have been a potential False Flag that was foiled by courageous law enforcement? - ISIS Texas Shooting

Front page.

My point is once a conspiracy theorist buys into 1 crazy theory they start buying into all of them because the first builds distrust.

If you don't trust anything official you're much more likely to turn to fringe conspiracy websites for your news.

[–]low_la 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (5子コメント)

As I said not every here buys into every post. I've had arguments and been downvoted for saying no conspiracy on certain posts. You're arguing that a large group of people have the same psychology and since reading about one conspiracy suddenly buys into the fact that the earth is flat, or hollow, or a hologram or some stupid shit like that. I'm just saying your wrong. A lot of people here have their head screwed on right, don't you worry about us. We're quite fine and capable of seeing whats bullshit and whats not with our own discernment. Some of us still use critical thinking and require evidence to back up our beliefs.

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Apollo Moon landings: real or fake?

[–]WideAwakeNWO[🍰] 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They form an opinion and then refuse to leave their echo chamber.

This is definitely a true statement, but this standard can be applied to almost every single sub on Reddit. Whatever your interests are, it's human nature to seek out others who share the same beliefs as you, in order to confirm your own beliefs.

Whether it be politics or conspiracy theory's, everyone is in search of information to confirm their own pre-conceived beliefs.

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So, somehow you are still unaware of the fact that FEMA deputy Richard Serino planned the Boston Marathon Bombing as a mass casualty drill called "a tale of two cities" under the DHS Urban Shield program in spite of the fact that its readily available for anyone who cares to look?

http://google.com/search?q=Richard+Serino+Tale+Of+Two+Cities

Nobody died at the fake bombing. This has been known for over 2 years, regardless of your opinion of some Johnny Come Lately researcher.

[–]burningempires 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And The Lone Gunmen had an episode before the event, which had eerie similarities to 9/11. So, I guess by your reasoning this "proves" Chris Carter was in on it?

[–]asiltopbr 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Oh ok, were the moon people involved as well? or the Jews that live on mars?

Every time I see someone claim the Boston bombings were a hoax I just cringe and die a little inside.

The level of delusion this requires is fucking nuts.

He didn't plan anything, he planned the emergency response to such an event which is what FEMA does.

The level of confirmation bias and jumping to conclusions from you is crazy.

Let me just take a shot in the dark here, schizophrenia?

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-boston-marathon-victims-crisis-actors.1396/

Crisis actors debunked, keep up that delusion friend.

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

its not a conspiracy because theres tons of evidence of it happening.

So basically 4 airplanes were hijacked about the same time, yet in your mind it was a complete coincidence? Sorry, but even the official story is a conspiracy theory, and not a very good one.

Terrorists attacked the Pentagon on 9/11 without any resistance because the Pentagon was so distracted by 9/11?

Who believes this stuff? You do!

[–]asiltopbr -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What the fuck are you talking about m8, nobody here is talking about 9/11.

Even though the OVERWHELMING scientific evidence says planes actually hit the buildings and planes are the reason they fell I'm just not going to debate 9/11 with a conspiracy theorist.

[–]xlptu [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Are youliterally making an imaginary opponent for this debate? He didn't say anything about it not being planes and steel beams not melting.

[–]mjh808 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Did you miss the report stating that conspiracy theorists are the most sane?

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

The Boston Globe reported that FEMA deputy Richard Serino was at the Boston Marathon finish line before and after the "bombs" went off.

Are you going to accept this as fact because its from an official source, or reject it because it doesnt fit your worldview?

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/04/richard-serino-returning-boston-after-four-years-top-fema/mbKnNtdyJZg4lwwnunm05I/story.html

[–]asiltopbr 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

"backs away slowly" did you not read what you just linked? it doesn't say he was AT the Boston marathon finish line it says he might be returning to Boston after quiting FEMA.

This is what I'm talking about, the level of delusion is just too strong.

I keep reading stuff saying conspiracy theorists are not dumb people just gullible, then I encounter one like you and it just makes me think twice about that.

It's just really weird to me how a person can be so gullible and jump to conclusions so easily no matter how many times they're debunked or told their wrong.

Backfire effect I guess.

You literally thought a FEMA deputy planned the Boston bombings because he made plans on how to respond to such an emergency.

His entire job was literally planning for things like this.

[–]WideAwakeNWO[🍰] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I keep reading stuff saying conspiracy theorists are not dumb people just gullible, then I encounter one like you and it just makes me think twice about that.

It's just really weird to me how a person can be so gullible and jump to conclusions so easily no matter how many times they're debunked or told their wrong.

So why are you hanging around a conspiracy sub then if you have such a negative opinion of the people and things which are posted here?

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Reading for comprehension obviously isnt your strong suit

As he has been for many years, Serino was at the finish line for the Boston Marathon this year, but left about 15 minutes before two bombs were set off, killing three people and wounding more than 260 others. He rushed back to the finish line and watched as the EMS first responders...

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/12/04/richard-serino-returning-boston-after-four-years-top-fema/mbKnNtdyJZg4lwwnunm05I/story.html

his entire job was literally planning for things like this

And i suppose you assume that its a big coincidence that Richard Serino was on site at the exact same time and place just as the fake bombing happened in accordance with the plans he spelled out in A Tale Of Two Cities?

According to USAtoday Richard Serino was in town celebrating Patriots Day, which isnt even a Federal holdiay. So Richard Serino played hooky from work at FEMA to watch some also-rans finish the Boston Marathon and the Tsarnaev's just happened to hijack the drill he had planned out?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/07/10/boston-bombing-homeland-security-hearing/2505405/

Who believes this stuff? You do!

[–]burningempires 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

i suppose you assume that its a big coincidence that Richard Serino was on site at the exact same time and place just as the fake bombing happened

Read your own source: "As he has been for many years, Serino was at the finish line." This was a traditional event for him.

There is nothing in the presentation that refers to a bombing, or offers any scenario that matches at all what happened. The Boston Marathon is mentioned, but it's the biggest scheduled event in New England, so is an obvious target - just as the transport system was in London - another case where reasonable pre-planning was pounced upon as (actually meaningless) evidence this was a "false flag".

[–]EnoughNoLibsSpam 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So what do you suppose Richard Serino was doing at the Boston Marathon in previous years?

[–]burningempires 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Oh, I dunno. As head of Boston Emergency Medical Services, perhaps his job?

[–]SpaktakJones -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hmm..

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    [–]dennabebotnoos 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Got any proof he/she is a shill?

    [–]a_shill -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    No, he's just harassing me to try to goad me into engaging with him again. Which isn't going to happen.

    [–]Independentthought0 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (6子コメント)

    It's in his profile.

    [–]dennabebotnoos 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

    He disagrees with a fair amount of content here and post fairly often. So? Isn't disagreement good for discussion? In a forum dedicated to alternative opinions shouldn't you welcome that, even if you disagree with their ideas

    So, do you have any actual proof?

    [–]Independentthought0 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Most of it isn't disagreeing its implying that those who believe in these things are crazy, typical disinformation tactics.

    [–]Independentthought0 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Just checked your profile, I see why you're trying to protect him. Very similar profiles. You also always question, demand proof and never post any proof you're self.

    [–]dennabebotnoos 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    When someone questions your beliefs, attack their character and call them a shill too!

    Are you capable of honest conversation?

    As for your issues with my comment history, I wasn't aware there was anything wrong with asking questions?

    [–]Independentthought0 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    There isn't an honest conversation in your profile.

    [–]dennabebotnoos [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    You only say that because I disagree with you. Care to back it up with actual evidence? Lets start with this conversation right here... In what way am I being dishonest?

    [–]SovereignMan[S,M] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Rule 10. No personal attacks. Removed.