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[–]dimnakorr 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (45子コメント)

You think this is a hyper-masculine society?

[–]ClintHammerWashington Reds-Kin 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (43子コメント)

If you are a shut in who only knows about the world through movies and TV like every SJW , it would seem that way. The majority of that media is male centric. Most protagonists are male.

[–]dimnakorr 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Even if all someone knows of the world is gleaned from movies, they should be able to see a difference between now and, say, the 80ties. ("I eat Green Berets for breakfast. And right now, I'm very hungry!")

[–]reconditecacheRadical Fremenist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I think 'hyper-masculinity' is referring to what a society defines as male and not whether the society is male-dominated. While males being over-represented in media is a problem, what we're discussing here is the way some societies (Russia has a huge problem with it right now) expect all men to be aggressive and strong and virile and any man who doesn't fill that description is looked down on. I think the fact that Michael Cera still gets work proves we don't have a huge problem with hyper-masculinity here in the states.

[–]ClintHammerWashington Reds-Kin -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

To play Devils advocate Michael Cera is never the hero. He's either a loser or an anti hero.

I think the issue with movies is they're intentionally unrealistic. No one wants to see a movie about an average guy who does average stuff. You want robocop or batman or whatever.

[–]reconditecacheRadical Fremenist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What was he in Juno and Scott Pilgrim? I think the fact that we were still rooting for him collectively means we still accepted him as a male and not just a weak pathetic failure of a man.

[–]ReverendSalemThe Monster from Planet X;His Divine Majesty King Groot the 23rd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Scott Pilgrim

A hapless loser that falls for a girl with borderline personality who won't fight her own battles.

I was rooting for Stephen Stills, Wallace, and Knives Chau.

[–]reconditecacheRadical Fremenist 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm confused now. We're still talking about hyper-masculinity, right? The fact that Scott Pilgrim is a flawed character is only tangentially related. I was just using wimpy Michael Cera as evidence that we don't require all males to be gun-toting, whiskey-drinking emotionless soldiers. I mean, I loved Juno, but he was just really sweet in that without any real competition because the story wasn't really about that.

[–]ReverendSalemThe Monster from Planet X;His Divine Majesty King Groot the 23rd 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You asked what he was in Scott Pilgrim. He was anything but a hero. Pilgrim himself might have been the protagonist of the story, but he was unlikable little shit surrounded by people that ranged from 'all right' to 'I wish I knew that person.'

I'm honestly not sure if that supports or undermines your argument, but it's my input on Scott's character. Sex Bob-omb is better off without him, and I hope Knives found someone better. I can't remember what happened to her in the books. He and Ramona really did kinda deserve each other.

[–]OverlyLenientJudgeKin in the North [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

A hapless loser that falls for a girl with borderline personality who won't fight her own battles.

Did you read the comic it just see the movie? The entire point of the story is that Scott has a self serving memory when it comes to things that are his fault and needs to take responsibility for hours actions.

[–]ClintHammerWashington Reds-Kin -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well yeah, but he's only in a certain kind of movie for a certain audience and I'm not it. I didn't see pilgrim and the whole time I was watching Juno I was just thinking, I don't like this, but on paper it seems like I should.

[–]jelloba 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Media is quite female-centric nowadays, even if there are still male protagonists.

Compare our modern cape flicks to the original Die Hard. No producer back in the 80s felt the need for a cute protagonist, they just wanted the gruff and bald Bruce Willis to blow shit up for men's edification. Now, we've got far "hotter" male protagonists in popular action flicks, and now tumblr is jumping on the bandwagon. Coincidence? Nah.

Also, women make about 85% of all consumer purchases, so advertising is almost entirely catered to them, usually not in explicit ways though.

[–]ClintHammerWashington Reds-Kin -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Is that why the wonder woman movie grossed more than Nolans entire batman trilogy?

[–]jelloba 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is that true? If so, I'm pretty amazed. Not sure what point you're trying to make though, I can at least tell that you're disagreeing with me.

[–]ClintHammerWashington Reds-Kin -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Of course is not true. The wonder woman movie was a made for TV low budget disaster. The batman trilogy had a budget more than the gdp of most countries. That's the point I was making. The avengers, furious 7, etc etc. Your point is just your feelings and who is in charge of doing the household shopping is completely irrelevant in who movie protagonists are. It effects daytime commercial TV, but fuck all else

[–]mightyneonfraa 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It wasn't even a movie. It was an unfinished pilot for a TV show.

[–]jelloba 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Hmm, so are you saying that my point holds true only for basic, mundane TV, but not for Hollywood blockbusters? That might be somewhat true, and action movies still definitely need to grab the male audience, but take Fast and Furious, for instance, and the large female fanbase it has gathered. See: the widespread gnashing of teeth and tearing of hair over Paul Walker's death. Also, part of my point was that our protagonists may still be male, but they're more feminized. That's what the bus scene in Fight Club was about, how our supposedly "hypermasculine" culture is just your average American woman's conception of a perfect man amplified by a magnitude of 1000 through media. It's a female-centric reimagining of masculinity.

[–]ClintHammerWashington Reds-Kin -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Daytime talk doesn't have protagonists

[–]SecretaryofPatriarch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's why Hunger Games blew out Spider-Man, Thor, Captain America, etc.

[–]ClintHammerWashington Reds-Kin -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Which of the 19 spider man movies are you talking about?

If anything it had to do with it's one of the very few female lead action movies ever made