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[–]Logan_MacTwitter.com/Logan_910 47 points48 points49 points  (10 children)
I already expressed this privately but I'll reitirate, this would be a huge mistake, we've been allowing off-topic threads so far as they're somewhat relevant to GG, mostly concerning censorship and moral panickers pressure, be it SJWs, feminists, that's why Protein World threads stayed up.
The focus on SJWs is just because of their pro-censorship behaviours, if GG existed in the 90s we would be against right-wing conservatives, it's all the same. This isn't a phenomenon exclusive of KiA, seeing as both 8chan and tweets show the same content, that's why I think limiting this content here is going against what GamerGate wants. There's a reason we have an on-topic option here http://bit.ly/1P2oaDs that filters out the Off-topic tag from KiA for people that don't care about these posts.
We only remove off-topic threads that are WAY off-topic, this is similar to the debate we had over the Drama tag, thankfully the community self-policed themselves and the amount of threads on Anita/Brianna/Zoe is almost non-existant. There are always going to be topics GG expresses interest in, be it Shirtgate, Sad Puppies or Protein World, like I said, it would paint a bad image if these topics were allowed on 8chan and Twitter but not here.
[–]TheHat2 [Hatman][S] 2 points3 points4 points  (9 children)
The problem with this:
somewhat relevant to GG, mostly concerning censorship and moral panickers pressure, be it SJWs, feminists, that's why Protein World threads stayed up.
Is that it conflicts with what the sub is about:
KotakuInAction is the place to discuss the gaming community, gaming journalism, and issues in the gaming industry.
This is a community for discussion of these issues, and for organizing campaigns for reform, so that the industry can be held accountable for its actions and gamers can enjoy their medium without being unjustly attacked or slandered.
I know the "GamerGate is different to everyone" line gets thrown around a lot, but for a forum for discussion such as this one, I think it's important to determine exactly what GamerGate fights for, so that people new to it can figure it out. I mean, you have some people saying it's about ethics in games journalism, others saying it's about ethics in the gaming industry as a whole, others saying it's anti-censorship, and still more who say it's anti-SJW. What the hell are we fighting for, and why can't we make up our minds?
[–]GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy 0 points1 point2 points  (8 children)
if you think this is just about "ethics in journalism", YOU'RE the one who has it wrong.
  • this is about a defense of our hobby against RAD FEM/SJWs and their pernicious attempt to infiltrate all kinds of areas of interest with their fucking politics.
THIS is the right answer.
"ethics in journalism" is fucking NOT.
read the subreddit with MY definition and everything makes fucking sense.
read the subreddit with YOURS and what is stated in our pussyfooting goddamn joke of a mission statement and the subreddit is NOT UNDERSTANDABLE.
again, my question for you is why so fucking timid? fucking embrace what we ACTUALLY ARE instead of trying to be so fucking narrow as to be completely inconsequential.
sorry if i come off as angry but it does make me angry that a group that's supposed to be about courage is so fucking milquetoast when it comes to the essential mission definition.
sarkeesian is NOT about ethics in game journalism.
quinn is NOT about ethics in game journalism.
based mom and milo are not about ethics in game journalism.
at the same time, UVA is not about games. Shirtgate is not about games. Sad Puppies in not about games.
BUT THESE ALL fucking belong here.
again, i challenge you. read the subreddit with my definition as what guides us vs. your definition. what makes sense? what has ALWAYS made sense?
the fact that you don't get this, that it's not completely OBVIOUS to you... such that you would make a post like this one... frustrates me to no fucking end.
[–]TheHat2 [Hatman][S] 2 points3 points4 points  (7 children)
If GamerGate isn't about improving the gaming industry, then I'm in the wrong movement.
[–]GOU_NoMoreMrNiceGuy 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
YOUR definition differs from what they're trying to make it....
GAMING AT LARGE. not JUST about "ethics in game journalism".
again, in ALL of our struggles, we have a common IDENTIFIABLE ENEMY.
so why not acknowledge that and take them on in all the ways that it intersects with protecting our own interests?
winning a war is about hitting our enemies in all their weakspots... not just this one weakspot that we're comfortable dealing with.
THAT is the winning strategy in defending gaming.
[–]ultimario13 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
It's not like you're obligated to participate in the ComicGates and whatnot of the world. I don't see a problem with the subreddit hosting all sorts of 'off-topic' and 'anti-censorship' content and just having users who aren't interested in those not participate in those threads.
[–]PadaV4 [score hidden]  (4 children)
It is, but thats only part of GamerGate. So are you saying that just because the movement has more goals(not different), than you have, you cant support it? I believe everyone here would gladly have your back when it comes to ethics in gaming industry, but that doesn't stop many of us from seeing that gaming culture isnt the only thing SJW are hurting. The enemy after all is the same. Everybody here is united by having the same fucking enemy. Right/left, book lovers, comic lovers, gaming lovers, feminists, MRA. Why divide if we can stand together..
[–]TheHat2 [Hatman][S] [score hidden]  (3 children)
I'm saying that if GamerGate has moved on from fighting for improvement of the gaming industry to keeping SJWs out of nerd culture, then I can't be a part of it anymore.
I hate the SJW ideology as much as the next guy, but I didn't become a part of GamerGate just so I could fight shit ideology. I came to improve the industry. I came so journalists would actually have to be held accountable for breaching ethics. I came because I was tired of narratives being crafted to cover the ass of corruption. If I wanted to fight back against SJWs, I would've stuck with TiA or tried to spin a sub off out of that. Christ, the Gertsmann debacle and Doritogate had nothing to do with SJWs, and they were influential in the lead-up to GamerGate.
My enemy is corruption, plain and simple.
[–]Methodius_ [score hidden]  (2 children)
I'm saying that if GamerGate has moved on from fighting for improvement of the gaming industry to keeping SJWs out of nerd culture, then I can't be a part of it anymore.
It hasn't, and I doubt it ever will.
My enemy is corruption, plain and simple.
A great majority of what's going on in KiA has to do with this. I don't see why you can't just ignore the stuff you're not here for, instead of trying to get rid of it.
[–]TheHat2 [Hatman][S] [score hidden]  (1 child)
I don't see why you can't just ignore the stuff you're not here for, instead of trying to get rid of it.
Yeah, ignoring it is out of the question when you have to run the sub and account for everything within it. And get modmails about "why the hell are you allowing off-topic stuff?" and PMs about "what the fuck are you doing talking to SJWs are you a traitor?"
Also, I'm not trying to get rid of anything. I'm arguing my views, but if the people of KiA want things to remain the same, they'll get it. And so far, it looks like no changes except for clearly defining that [Off-Topic] is stuff that isn't related to gaming/doesn't mention GamerGate, but is still of interest to the sub, and some [Censorship] and [SocJus] flair.
[–]Methodius_ [score hidden]  (0 children)
Just because you have to account for everything in it doesn't mean you have to read every single topic. There are other mods who can handle stuff in those topics too.
And frankly, if modmails about "why are you allowing off-topic stuff?" are such a problem, I suggest taking a page out of chaos' playbook. Turn it back around on them and ask them why off-topic posts are such a big problem. Ask them to provide evidence as to why it's a problem. And then when they can't, they'll shut up.
Though I think that the PMs about the latter subject are a bit far and those people need to calm the hell down. I actually think you're one of the more level-headed mods and I've generally been a fan of what you've done on the sub. There's no reason to talk to almost anyone like that.
I guess by "trying to get rid of", I mean that you're suggesting that certain topics be removed. I didn't mean that you're trying to push a particular agenda or whatever.
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