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I think a lot of people, you included, missed the point of my analogy.

It was "Train tracks are not to cars, as roads without bike lanes are to bikes" since the original cartoon seems to suggest "Train tracks are to cars as bike lane lacking roads are to bikes"

If you ride your bike on the side of the road, or in the dirt/grass next to the road, you will not likely damage your bike or yourself. If you drive your car over train tracks you're gonna fuck a lot of shit up on your car.

But I get it. This sub has a hardon for bikes and hates the idea of not having dedicated bike lanes. Personally I'd rather drive or walk wherever I'm going. This likely means to a lot of people that I'm part of the problem. But I value self determination, privacy, and the ability to use a radio and climate control while transporting myself over distances that aren't walkable. I'm not opposed to bike lanes, but I don't think the comparison of "Street without bike lane = train tracks" is a valid one.

[–]snakesign 26 ポイント27 ポイント28 ポイント 19 時間前 (5子コメント)

I ride a road bike on the road. I would be in serious danger of losing control or damaging my bike if I departed the roadway at 20mph. What kind of bike and ditch combination are you imagining exists in most cases? If I am in the city you are saying I should be on the sidewalk, which is super dangerous for me and pedestrians. If I am in the country you want me to ride in the ditch, or in the unconsolidated shoulder?

And you are wrong about all cyclists wanting bike lanes, look up vehicular cycling. I am an avid cyclists, but I believe that bike lanes are the cause of most of our problems. I don't want secondary infrastructure, I want to exercise my lawful access to the roadway I pay taxes to maintain. When I use the road, I am bound by the laws of vehicles, I would like to be treated as such, not some secondary citizen of the roadway. Nothing personal, but your momentary convenience does not overrule my right to safely travel.

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I get that, but cyclists can use the side of the road

Not sure what you mean by that.

or they can ride in the lane like they're supposed to do by law.

Yup. I do. Most people won't as they don't feel safe or welcome thanks to traffic. Hence why cycling rates are so low in countries that don't build decent infrastructure.

Stopping for redlights and signaling, and doing all the regular stuff drivers are required to do, with no negative effects to the bike or themselves. Comparing that to a car driving on railroad tracks is totally a straw man argument.

I've explained it and you're still not getting it...

It'd be better to compare it to truck lanes on bridges that randomly end and force slow moving large trucks to merge into fast moving car traffic. Or if the road were to suddenly be replaced with really wide sidewalk that has no signs or lanes.

No. Because that would be forcing the larger, more dangerous road user to jump in with the slower, less dangerous one, not the other way round.

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