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[–]superpunchbrother [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

These rules really seem like they would apply to normal circumstances, but chronic trolling from pretty much one account (Dr. Ape) causes them to break down. It's a bummer but your points are spot on.

I've found a decent solution in using reddit enhancement suite to hide trolls posts and label them as "douche" as a reminder not to click, but it's silly that this over the top trolling from a single user is being allowed to happen.

It might be best to start a slow migration to a new Omaha subreddit where community building is encouraged.

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It might be best to start a slow migration to a new Omaha subreddit where community building is encouraged.

There's plenty of good threads in this sub, the human perception bias has us tricked.

[–]p1zza_dogLincoln transplant [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I've been pretty disappointed with the quality of this subreddit, I just created a new one at /r/OmahaNE

Not sure if I'll do anything with it yet, but I wanted to have a good option available for migration if there's enough interest.

[–]persp73 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Finally, a sub where I can ask what part of town I should live in, what the good restaurants are, and where I can get a haircut. Good work!

[–]Droidaphone [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm all for it.

[–]BadMrFrostySCSir Frosty, Knight of the White Table [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

This is like the 11th new "omaha" sub people have created because they are scared of dissenting opinions. I'm sure THIS one will be the charm.

[–]p1zza_dogLincoln transplant [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I didn't create it because of dissenting opinions, and I don't believe I said anything to indicate that.

Maybe the number of attempts to create an alternative subreddit should be taken as a sign that there are problems with this one.

[–]FyreWulff [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

Moderation in this subreddit has been inconsistent and nonexistent for a long time and the trolls are allowed to run the asylum.

Benefits of inheriting a city name sr, I guess. I've just stopped participating entirely.

[–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

The subreddit is run in accordance to the spirit of reddit. Trolling is the realm of the upvote/downvote system and has been since the day it was implemented, not moderators. Moderators are there to make sure content on a subreddit is relevant to the subreddit in question and to make sure advertising and spam doesn't find it's way in. That is the entire job of the moderators. The community moderation feature that is the upvotes/downvote system is the tool used for trolls.

[–]FyreWulff [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Hardly anyone actually enjoys the libertarian style 'moderation'. We keep downvoting trolls but since they're never banned, they win via attrition.

If you're not willing to step in and actually run a community and get your hands dirty, don't be surprised if a different subreddit takes over. Upvotes are so easily gamed on reddit that it's a lame excuse to ask other people to do your job. It's your subreddit and your rules. I'm just telling you how it is and why more people I know in Omaha have stopped even lurking this sub.

[–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm not asking other people to do my job, that isn't my job. The reddit admins implemented the voting system for the exact reason to allow community members to have tools to deal with trolls.

[–]superpunchbrother [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

This, without any mention of reddiquette, seems to be the problem. Yes, it's not the mods problem and technically the upvote downvote system should take care of trolls, but this poor reddiquette seems to be given virtual high-fives by the /r/Omaha mods.

Maybe it's time to discuss the introduction of a new rule, or a revision of rule 8 for the Omaha subreddit. Considering the reddit stance on reddiquette is "please abide by it the best you can" is in play, perhaps the following in conjunction might constitute harrassment (taken from reddiquette).

1.) Remember the human. When you communicate online, all you see is a computer screen. When talking to someone you might want to ask yourself "Would I say it to the person's face?" or "Would I get jumped if I said this to a buddy?"

2.) Please don't be (intentionally) rude at all. By choosing not to be rude, you increase the overall civility of the community and make it better for all of us.

3.) Please don't insult others. Insults do not contribute to a rational discussion. Constructive Criticism, however, is appropriate and encouraged.

4.) Troll. Trolling does not contribute to the conversation.

It seems reasonable to me that if a single user had a history of abuse of ALL the previous 4 values they would be actively damaging the community and allowing them to run amuck wouldn't be in the spirit of reddit.

[–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

I've had this discussion countless times before. I do not ban anybody from /r/Omaha unless they specifically break one of the reddit rules http://reddit.com/rules

[–]superpunchbrother [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I'm not sure you've read my reply, as there was no request for banning. However, your comment has intrigued me. What are the consequences for breaking the /r/Omaha rules?

If you go back and look closely, I'm interested in a community discussion on the current state of /r/Omaha, no bans, just a forum to reconsider what role reddiquette should play (if any) in the sub.

[–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Most aren't really severe enough to require more than removing the posts. In the case of rules 8 and 10 it's usually a 1 day ban per post or instance. (tend to stack up pretty quick though and usually are at least a week when all is said and done.)

[–]JenTheUnicorn [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

I don't understand why trolling is allowed. It adds absolutely nothing to the conversation. It keeps people from attending meet-ups, it feels like bullying, and it doesn't welcome people to the sub-reddit. I understand the resident troll isn't a spammy novelty account, but that doesn't make what he does ok.

[–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

It adds absolutely nothing to the conversation.

On the other hand, 75% of the time I open an /r/Omaha post I do it just to get a laugh out of Drape, and it usually ends with me at least reading the post and sometimes responding with actual information if a particular thread within a super-generic, side-bar topic (Help with Date Night, Where should I live?, Need a mower service place, and so on) is interesting.

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

Again ... I am not saying to ban him. Just get him to tone down a bit and take his moderator status away. Giving him mod status is bad because A) It makes it look like what he is saying is supported by those in charge B) It lets him see who reports him so he can further mock them C) Either Knowltey lied to the community and Drape is not just a meet up coordinator OR Drape abuses moderator status unchecked.

[–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Again ... I am not saying to ban him. Just get him to tone down a bit and take his moderator status away. Giving him mod status is bad because A) It makes it look like what he is saying is supported by those in charge B) It lets him see who reports him so he can further mock them

This is 100% a fair argument, and if it had been the subject of your thread, I wouldn't even have posted. I posted here because you're falsely accusing him of something more serious than just being a dick, and using explicitly laid-out subreddit rules incorrectly to try and get him removed. Drape is a dick, but he's not violating rules. You want to remove him for being a dick, fine. I probably would have even gotten behind that.

Either Knowltey lied to the community and Drape is not just a meet up coordinator OR Drape abuses moderator status unchecked.

Or Drape did not mod posts, which makes neither of those things true. You're basing this on the assumption that he does mod things, which you have not actually managed to establish as true, and others are saying it is not.

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

A) Edited the original post to explain my issues. You are right that I should have included that originally.

B) In a post that Drape deleted he admitted to modding posts, just not his own. Also, in edit 3 above I show where Knowltey admits Drape overstepped how he represented his position.

Does it bother you at all that all of those posts were deleted right after I posted this? Seems odd to me.

[–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Edited the original post to explain my issues. You are right that I should have included that originally.

You should edit out the parts where you try to redefine harassment and replace them with "Drape's a dick, please remove mod status." You do that, and I'll happily clean out/edit all my posts, too.

In a post that Drape deleted he admitted to modding posts, just not his own.

But now it's your word against his, and both of you are equally motivated to lie about it, no matter what the reality is. Next time take a screenshot.

Also, in edit 3 above I show where Knowltey admits Drape overstepped how he represented his position.

But not that he modded posts. He turned on his moderator tag when he shouldn't have, apparently? Sure, that's bad.

Does it bother you at all that all of those posts were deleted right after I posted this? Seems odd to me.

Maybe, but it's not really admissible as anything factual, so it's just drama fuel that won't actually serve to accomplish anything other than motivating more people to pick up their pitchforks and migrate subs, which I don't think is your goal.

[–]JenTheUnicorn [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

I guess I just don't find him funny then.

[–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

Not everyone does. His humor's along the lines of Colbert (a hyper-conservative persona), who has a similar polarizing effect. Doesn't mean we should ban it, though.

[–]StoutFan [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Except Colbert is actually funny.

[–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I agree. My wife does not.

I also think Drape is funny. You, apparently, do not.

It's a personal opinion, and that's what upvotes/downvotes are for, not mod intervention.

[–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

^ this

I'm discussing unmodding him. That said aren't going to ban him just for trolling. Every time the topic has come up in the past it has been a huge split in the community between those who find him funny and those who don't with no clear majority.

[–]DrapetomaniaMeetup Co-Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

The important question is, does your wife think I'm funny?

[–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Not likely, but the only subreddit she ever reads (very rarely) is /r/corgi, so you'd have to expand your realm before we could find out.

[–]JenTheUnicorn [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Doesn't mean we should tolerate it either.

[–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Because you don't find a particular brand of humor funny, it should be banned?

Just use the ignore button if you don't want to see it.

[–]DrapetomaniaMeetup Co-Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Liberals, huh? Quite the characters. Social justice is shutting people up.

[–]TheoreticalFunkWill Work For Beer [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

You just typed up a wall of text over Internet drama.

There's a wonderful world out there. Go see it.

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I'm at work and the system is being slow.

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So you delete the offending posts? That is hilarious.

[–]HardModeEngaged2013 Men's NCAA Bracket Pool Winner [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

"/r Omaha is a cabal."

Wow, just wow.

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

Meh, I almost didn't write that portion as even I felt it was a bit of an overreach. But since the mass deletions started happening and none of the moderators, Drape included, are taking the time to do anything but gloat, I honestly feel it holds up more now than when I typed it.

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

"/r Omaha is a cabal."

How do I join? Is there a FAQ? Where can I get initiated? Are there spankings? Does the Comahabal truly exist? Inquiring minds must know these important answers.

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

You guys can have /r/Comahabal and we will take this. Wait a year and we will see which sub is bigger. I'm sure with your superior moderation standards that it will be yours.

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

You ignored all of my questions and offered nothing of value in your post. I see a trend with your posting habits now. You've been discovered! FLEE!

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

You guys can have /r/Comahabal and we will take this.

Aren't we entitled.

I'm sure with your superior moderation standards that it will be yours.

I could care less about moderation and whatever moderation standards exist here. You've taken everything so personal and it's pretty delicious. I can see why Drape relishes in what he does.

[–]subredditChecker [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

There doesn't seem to be anything here


As of: 19:41 05-01-2015 UTC. I'm checking to see if the above subreddit exists so you don't have to! Downvote me and I'll disappear!

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (9子コメント)

Entitled? Reddit is a society of squatters, someone got to r/omaha their first and it has been handed between friends ever since. Drape has been complained about for years and he has only been given more power by the mods. This thread is up to 33 at 78% upvoting, me thinks maybe at least a few people are a little fed up with things or at least enjoy the drama.

Is this sub more active today than most Fridays, honest question?

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Is this sub more active today than most Fridays, honest question?

It's more active today because we're celebrating May day!

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I do love May Day cups of candy.

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

See. Candy cups, not Kandi Kupps for everyone. Much active. Such posting.

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

Ooh, drama. Definitely that. People looooooove drama. Not Johnny Drama, crazy thread drama.

[–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Meh, guilty admission here, I liked Entourage. It was my version of watching terrible reality television except it was admittedly scripted. Johnny Drama was great, but I <3 Turtle.

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Guilty admission? Own that shit. Stop caring what other people think.

[–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Squatters - I do not think it means what you think it means.

[–][削除されました]  (1子コメント)

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    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Since this has no potential to be considered furthering the discussion, I am going to politely ask that you refrain from further harassment.

    (Did I do it right Knowtley? Modmail incoming.)

    [–]HardModeEngaged2013 Men's NCAA Bracket Pool Winner [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    You are so butthurt.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Honestly, what is it with you people and the feeling of my butt. At least make some other jokes or something.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator[M] [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

    As I told you yesterday multiple times, if you were to tell Drape to stop and then he continues you could've modmailed us and we would have considered it harassment. You refused to take these steps.

    I decided I was going to be nice and make an exception and remove the various trolling posts from your topic without you messaging in because you were complaining that I wasn't removing the posts so I considered that your declaration of harassment. Then you started complaining that I did remove the posts and clean up the topic. So I'm not really sure what you're wanting there.

    In regards to the harassment rule, that was created by an open vote and discussion on /r/Omaha a while back. So those rules were decided by the community and were not something that we just simply pulled out of our collective asses.

    As I have also stated multiple times in the past as well as to you yesterday, /r/Omaha is run with minimal necessary rules when it comes to rules to be in the spirit of reddit. That is done as reddit highly values freedom of speech and it is not a moderator's job to decide what is good or bad speech. Our job is to make sure content is relevant to the topic of the subreddit and that advertising and spam does not make it in. That is all.

    I run all my small reddits this way. Trolling is the realm of the upvote/downvote system as it has been on reddit for years now ever since the voting system was implemented by the reddit admins for exactly this reason. If you encounter a troll on reddit you have the ability to stop engaging with them if you don't like dealing with them. You have the ability to downvote them if you feel they aren't contributing to the discussion at hand. You also have the ability to simply ignore them.

    We have the harrasment rule for if a user decides that they want to take it further when you've already began ignoring them and doing everything in your power that the reddit system provides to you. Once they begin following you to other subreddits or private messages they have then begun circumventing the system and features of reddit which is a violation of the "breaking reddit" Reddit Rule and we do take that action seriously and report the user to the admins. We have had a couple users shadowbanned as result of such behaviour that occurred on this subreddit. But once they have went around everything that you are able to do then moderators or admins have to step in because you've done everything you can at that point. That is what rule 8 was made for, not for single thread trolling, you have your own tools to deal with single thread trolling.

    If the trolling is confined to one thread, the victim has the ability to simply stop engaging and as long as the troll doesn't decide to circumvent that there is no harassment. If you are continuing to engage with someone on anything whether it be trolling or not, by replying (with anything that isn't a clear message to stop) you are saying you wish to continue the conversation/debate/trolling/etcetera. If you say stop and then stop yourself you are sending an obvious clearcut message that you do not want to continue.

    The post of Drape's you linked that you claim is him claiming that he moderators post is the exact opposite of that. He is specifically saying that he doesn't moderate posts.

    As I also told you yesterday I had already talked to Drape about the situation and that we are discussing his staff position among the staff as of this time. But let us go ahead and clear up this situation. I'm going to link you four screenshots that show his entire moderation log history.

    Here is every comment that he has ever approved: http://i.imgur.com/EHs9eRD.png

    All of these were as a result of one of two automoderator autoreport features that we have in place. One is set to auto-report posts from any accounts that are new. Most of these were from that and we've allowed Drape to perform reviews of specifically that filter as well as the other one I'm about to mention. The other filter is a username mention filter so that people on the subreddit can summon us by name if they need to get our attention. One of those comments was that.

    Here is every post that Drape has ever approved: http://i.imgur.com/YYNLGW5.png

    NONE

    Here is every comment that Drape has ever removed: http://i.imgur.com/K1SLUa6.png

    One of which is his own that he accidentally removed instead of deleted. It was a meetup RSVP if you were curious. The other one was obvious botspam that he contacted and got approved from one of the content moderators regarding before performing the removal, he was just the only one of us on at the time and saw it needed taken care of ASAP.

    And finally here is every post ever removed by Drape: http://i.imgur.com/NOXXutO.png

    Which like the botspam above he had checked and got authorization from one of the content moderators before performing the removal himself.

    Yes, they will totally be on top of it.

    You didn't even try, so how do you know that we wouldn't take action? You haven't even given us the chance to do so. Hell I even told you at one point specifically that I would remove the posts if you were to modmail in. If that isn't guarantee enough for you then there is nothing more I can offer.

    Also, the mods will never tell you how they decided upon your moderation claim

    You'll be able to know because the offending post will either disappear or it won't.


    Anyways, the long and short of it is. You requested that I clean up your topic of trolling. I did. You requested I deal with Drape. I told you that I already told him about where he stepped over the line and that we are currently discussing his position amongst the team. I've done everything you've asked to this point, so I'm not really sure what further action you would like taken here?

    [–]ModevsWill code for beer [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    One thing I'm not seeing here is why Drape is a mod in the first place.

    I suppose I see - though not agree with - the "he's our troll" mentality, but by your own admission he doesn't moderate much, so what is it about his interactions with this community requires him to be a moderator? How does the community benefit from it?

    It is a realistic concern that having someone like him as a moderator colors the experience at this sub. It infers that not only is his behavior tolerated and allowed, it's actually what you should expect around here.

    It seems like a net loss for the community.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (21子コメント)

    You lie multiple times in here and it is really sad.

    A) I DO NOT CARE ABOUT ONE ARGUMENT. I care that someone you made a moderator is driving people away from this community. By harassing it, not just one person.

    B) You promoted a troll to the moderation team, which means when new people come to this sub, simply downvoting the troll post doesn't counteract the bad experience they just received from someone who's name is in the mod box. Additionally, by giving that troll a position of power you have elevated his status and with it enough upvotes from friends to keep the troll post around. Thus all of the posts here about people leaving our community's subreddit because of one person.

    C) The post I linked to had Drape claiming something akin to him only moderating other people's posts, never his own. Regardless, from being ONLY a meet up coordinator to him doing mod duties is enough of a jump for me to have felt lied to by our mod team.

    D) Again, why do you say I didn't report anything? Drape admitted I did and mocked me for it.

    E) So, Drape has been "talked to" and both of you have deleted all of your post histories that show the half-truths and out and out lies you posted, and because of this, I am supposed to trust ... what? You lie, get caught, delete points, and lie again, and now I should be content that Drape had a "talking to" about things?

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (11子コメント)

    The post I linked to had Drape claiming something akin to him only moderating other people's posts, never his own.

    You mean this? He only said he did not moderate his own posts, not that he moderated others.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

    Knowltey says:

    The post of Drape's you linked that you claim is him claiming that he moderators post is the exact opposite of that. He is specifically saying that he doesn't moderate posts.

    I said:

    He claimed that Drape is just a meet up coordinator but here is Drape claiming he moderates posts, just not his own.

    Drape said:

    (BTW, I let the other mods take care of reports on my own posts, so it's not [m]e telling you "no.")

    The inference being that the posts he DOESN'T moderate are his own, I don't think I am crazy for jumping to the conclusion that he moderated others. Maybe if he didn't delete his history, you calling me a liar wouldn't have happened.

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    Yeah, but Drape posted this image to you a while back with an explanation, and you keep on insisting that he's lying. I actually pulled it from his post history.

    Also, that image clearly shows that he didn't delete that post. Look at the image again.

    The inference being that the posts he DOESN'T moderate are his own, I don't think I am crazy for jumping to the conclusion that he moderated others. Maybe if he didn't delete his history, you calling me a liar wouldn't have happened.

    You could jump to that conclusion, but when he explained it and other mods post proof that your jump was wrong, why did you continue to call people liars?

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    It was deleted first by the Knowltey but when I linked it above Drape deleted it. Look through his post history. Where is it. This is where it should be Link

    EDIT!: And I am 100% wrong here. I had assumed that since those posts were already deleted in the thread the night before and the link working this morning that them not existing now was the post being deleted by the user.

    Weird to click on a link titled Permalink and not have it be permanent. 100% my bad on this, honestly, face is red and feel bad.

    Overall though, he admitted to modding and you said he didn't, I feel it still isn't on the up and up but will concede this point because it is a giant aside.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    Look through his post history. Where is it.

    About halfway down the second page.

    http://imgur.com/Mm1HzBh

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Already found it, admitted the error in a previous edit. I am an idiot for thinking "permalink" is permanent.

    Being able to find his other posts though does bring me back to Drape saying:

    Just last meetup we had an amusing laugh about how people try to twist the "harassment" rule exactly as you did, by the way.

    That to me is the biggest smoking gun that this isn't a city meet up and is instead your club. You guys get together and laugh about how multiple people find one of you toxic. Why not just ask him if he is your friend to not drive people from this community? Or do you think r/Omaha should be only for those that are strong at heart and want to deal with constant trolling?

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    I talked about that in the earlier post as well. We weren't talking about any specific reports on that rule (because none have been made since the rule was made to be joking about). One of the users had a question about it and I made up a few hypothetical examples about it, then we moved on to some more absurd ones for the giggles.

    And regarding Drape and meetups, they are a city meetup and not the me and Drape club. Drape didn't actually start coming to the meetups until about halfway through the second year of me hosting them, I hadn't met him before that point either, but I still had the same stance then towards trolling here in that it should be taken care of at the vote level.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    You think trolling should be encouraged, not just allowed. Making him a mod, regardless of what other crap he does, sends a strong message to people.

    And do not complain about flame wars then. If the process is going to be him calling me names, me having to report something and sit quietly while he continues to flame me and mocking my asking for moderator assistance, it is one I probably will not follow.

    I hate bullies, and that is all he is. He calls names then has his friends come here and shout how I am "butthurt" for responding. This is the community you have cultivated, great fucking job!

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator[M] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    I don't think I am crazy for jumping to the conclusion that he moderated others. Maybe if he didn't delete his history, you calling me a liar wouldn't have happened.

    First of all I linked you his entire moderator history earlier that shows everything post/comment that he has approved/removed ever on this subreddit. If you need that link again here it is http://imgur.com/a/7Hcjc

    And here is the post that I originally linked them in: http://www.reddit.com/r/Omaha/comments/34isfs/harassment_in_romaha/cqv6nd3

    Maybe if he didn't delete his history

    He didn't delete his history. As I've told you at least three times now you can see all of it at http://reddit.com/u/Drapetomania

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Except the post in the picture above that was deleted and others that were also deleted.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    So, you obviously didn't read the post then, because it talked about those. Perhaps you should go back and actually read what I'm saying.

    In the post where I originally linked those I told you that the post and comment that was removed was one where he got in contact with one of the content moderators since they weren't actively online and they let him know to remove the post, so while Drape is the one that performed the action he is effectively just acting as a proxy in that case for one of the other content moderators since they were the one that told him to do so.

    The approvals as I mentioned where because of the automderator filter that autoreports posts that contain a moderator username so that if users need us we can be notified quickly. We approve those whenever they come across because it is simply for the purpose os bringing it to our attention and isn't an actual report.

    I'm starting to think here that you're the troll since now you are doing nothing by lying about Drape deleting his post history when anyone can quite plainly see that this isn't acutally the case by going to http://reddit.com/u/Drapetomania

    You're not even bothering to read my posts apparently, and you are complaining no matter what I do, even whent hat thing is something that you specifically requested.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

    A) And I've told you we are currently discussing amongst the team about his position on the team. You told me to look into removing him from the moderator lists and I am doing exactly that. It takes time for all the mods to weigh in however.

    B) No, I put him on as a meetup co-coordinator as he had been helping greatly with the meetups.

    C) I literally linked to you a couple of images that show his entire moderation history. What more do you want?

    D) I'm saying you didn't report anything for harassment. The only modmail we have is from 11 days ago. You put a report in for derogatory slurs, you didn't send in a modmail report about harassment. As the rule says, reports for that rule have to be done via modmail you have not sent in a modmail to us.

    E) He was talked to and we are also currently discussing his team position amongst the staff. This isn't an instantaneous process.

    I'm sorry but you are being completely unreasonable here.

    You complained that I didn't clean up your thread, so I clean up the thread

    You then complained that i cleaned up your thread, so I reverted it back and told you to send in a modmail to report harassment per the guidelines of the harassment rule if you want it cleaned back up.

    You don't send in a modmail and then you complain that we aren't doing the thing that I told you I would do if you sent in a modmail.

    You complained about Drape being on the mod list so we are having a team discussion about dropping him from there.

    You are now complaining that we are having a team discussion about removing Drape from the mod list.

    So, my apologies if I'm just a bit confused about what exactly you want done here because you complain when I do exactly what you ask me to do.

    Do you want your Drinking Liberally post cleaned up? yes/no

    Do you want us to look into removing Drape from the mod list? yes/no

    Do you want the harassment rule revisited? yes/no

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    I like arguing with Drape, I don't like his trolling and hate speech. I want his posts inferring that liberals are a bunch of girly men to be deleted for derogatory slurs. One interpretation is him saying the being womanlike is bad and another is he is attacking the LBGT community. Please give me a punchline that doesn't do one of those things or please tell me a list of groups that we cannot be derogatory towards since some are allowed (slipper slope bullshit about how every joke offends a community is just that, bullshit. This is Nebraska, maybe you are cool with us belittling women and LBGT, but it would be nice to know.)

    I want him to not be a mod, pretty sure I might have hinted at that once.

    And yeah, the harassment rule could use some looking into, one person with multiple reported posts over multiple subjects should probably trigger something more than a promotion because he made some dinner reservations.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    That was the post you reported for slurs that I already mentioned was approved because it didn't contain any slurs. "Girly men" is not a slur. If he said faggot then yes it would have been deleted, but girly men isn't a slur.

    This is Nebraska, maybe you are cool with us belittling women and LBGT, but it would be nice to know.

    No, because if you knew me you would know I am in both of those categories.

    [–]HardModeEngaged2013 Men's NCAA Bracket Pool Winner [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I am amazed you said anything to you.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    ?

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Waiting for the punchline to be explained or is misogyny cool here?

    [–]stopsayingsoccer [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    As much as I hate Drape, you're being a tool dude.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Your thoughtful feedback is appreciated. Protesting people being bullied is never easy and feedback like this lets me know I am on the right side.

    [–]bob1014 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It's almost like a time machine brought me back to middle school with all this drama.

    [–]ConchobairWest OG [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    The mods of this subreddit say a lot, but of very little of value and don't do anything of value either. Knowltey for some reason gets to be in charge and lets his friends treat people like crap and then type up a page's worth of meaningless dribble to explain why. It's pathetic.

    [–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

    Lighten up, Francis. /s

    I'm not sure if that offends you or is harassing you.

    It just seems that you are the type of person that lets nothing roll off your back. Your stubbornness is a weakness that is easy to prey upon which then fuels your stubbornness even more which then makes it even easier to rile you up because of your frustration.

    Point is, Drapetomania said some things to me when I first started posting here. I realized what he was doing and instead of reacting poorly like you did, I played along and gave him a friendly reach-around.

    Life is short, relax.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (14子コメント)

    So, Drape relentlessly trolling is just Drape being Drape, oh well. But my arguing with him, questioning the harassment policy, and then pointing out that the mods have already lied to protect him is me being a stubborn person?

    Why am I unreasonable for wanting a harassment policy that could actually be used to stop harassment?

    Hell, I would be content to just have his mod status taken away so the next person to move here doesn't see that the person telling him he is a stupid girly man is a mod of the sub.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator[M] [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    Why am I unreasonable for wanting a harassment policy that could actually be used to stop harassment?

    It can if the harassment is reported. I reminded you to report it a couple times yesterday and you still have not done so. With the way the community voted that rule in I cannot take action on harassment until the subject of the harassment lets us know that they do consider it harassment. People have different thresholds for what they consider harassment to them and it's not my place to tell someone "you are being harassed" when they don't feel they are.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

    I reported it and it was moderated away, even Drape acknowledged this much. Why do you keep saying I never reported anything?

    Second, if multiple people report one for harassment, why do you not take any action except for laughing about it at meet ups (again, Drape said this yesterday)?

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator[M] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    As the rule states and as you even noted in your OP text on this post, plus as I told you specifically yesterday, for the harassment rule you have to report it via modmail. The community voted to have it required that the person being harassed is the one to report it, and as such modmail has to be used for that because the report system doesn't show the name of the person that submitted the report. I specifically told you to send in a modmail, that is also so that we can reply to you once the matter has been dealt with, we also can't reply to reports.

    why do you not take any action except for laughing about it at meet ups

    As I said, I'm still not sure where you are getting this from. The thing that happened at the meetup was that someone asked for some clarification on the rule and I presented a couple hypothetical situations for what would and wouldn't be considered harassment. We weren't laughing about any real reports on the harassement rule. And for that matter we couldn't have been because there haven't been any harassment reports made since the rule was implemented so we don't have any real situations to laugh at.

    I reported it and it was moderated away

    You said you made a report for violation of derogatory slurs, not harassment. That one was approved by one of the content moderators because the post didn't contain any slurs.

    [–]opifexxMonkeys. [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Can confirm. Nothing against specific users was mentioned at the meetup. Someone just inquired about what constitutes harassment in the sub and he expand it with some humor.

    Also, I love the word cabal.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    You would know where I was getting it from if the guy you made moderator didn't delete his posts. But it is pretty telling that he is not denying he said it.

    And I reported him for both derogatory slurs AND harassment, again, neither denied by Drape nor provable since he deleted his post history.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator[M] [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    No he didn't it is all still there if you go to http://www.reddit.com/user/Drapetomania

    AND harassment

    No you didn't. Again, per the harassment rule, harassment reports MUST BE MADE VIA MODMAIL

    The most recent modmail we have is from AutoModerator and it was 11 DAYS AGO

    YOU HAVE NOT SENT IN A MODMAIL

    As I've said already a couple times. The way the community wanted that rule implemented was that the user feeling that they are being harassed needs to be the one to make the report. Due to the reddit systems we can ONLY see that in modmail.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Seriously? That is your argument here, a technicality? So, if someone is harassing me and I just report the post you would no NOTHING about it? Drape is that good of a friend to you that would would hang your entire argument on the fact that I merely reported a post (and was mocked for doing so by a mod) and didn't send a ModMail, which I had no clue was an independent thing.

    Also, you seem very sure I never mentioned harassment when the post I link to above is deleted. Gee, hope I don't have screen shots at home proving you are calling me a liar, wrongly, for the fourth time.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    As I've said a couple times here already the way the rule is implemented was a decision from the community. They wanted it so that the person being harassed is the only one that can call it so that other random people can't just come in to random places and call harassment. As such we have to be able to see the name of the person making the request and with how reddit works the reports are anonymous, so the report needs to be made via modmail.

    We also cannot reply to reports, but we can reply to modmail, that way we can let you know the results.

    Per qualification D of the rule located at http://www.reddit.com/r/Omaha/wiki/rules

    You have modmailed /r/Omaha if the offender continues to let us know.

    You have not sent in a modmail, for another time, the latest modmail we have received is from 11 days ago. You have not sent in a report on the harassment rule. You reported for just the derogatory rule. If you use the report feature to report a post for the harassment rule it is automatically void because the rport system is anonymous and we have no way of telling if the qualification to have the report come from the person being harassed has been met.

    This is the way the rule was implemented and these guidelines were create by a vote by the community. If you want to report his posts as harassment you must send in a modmail. I have told you this multiple times already and you are still not doing so. I'm sorry that you don't like the way it was implemented, but again, this was a decision by the /r/Omaha community.

    [–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    My first impression was that you got offended by something then got into an argument - didn't like the outcome of the argument and then claimed harassment.

    Now I don't know if that's what happened or not - but that is the appearance to me of what transpired. (I didn't read really far into the argument - I wasn't a participant and I got bored.)

    It's not unreasonable for using the policy to stop what it exists for.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Which ad hominem?

    12 points positive might not mean that everyone agrees with me, but I think I can argue that it means that this is a conversation the majority of people want to have.

    [–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Which ad hominem?

    I transposed some words when reading. Oops.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No prob. :)

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    But my arguing with him,

    No, that's fine.

    questioning the harassment policy

    That's you being butthurt over getting trolled. Once.

    [–]curtainsFlair Text [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    Drape is funny so it doesn't matter.

    [–]teh_booth_gawdFlair Goes Here [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Is he the nearly 30 y/o virgin I've seen mentioned around here?

    [–]curtainsFlair Text [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I'm pretty sure he's fucked his mom, but...

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    It could matter, if he was actually following OP around Reddit and harassing him. But he's not, and OP is just butthurt over one argument in one thread.

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (23子コメント)

    Haha, oh, man. Drape's trolling really got to you, didn't it? Grow another few layers of skin; this isn't Tumblr, and having one unpleasant encounter with an established (hilarious) troll is no reason to make a topic calling out the mods as fascist pigs or whatever.

    This is important because everyone knows it isn’t harassment unless it takes place numerous times in multiple locations.

    Seriously, one thread is not grounds for calling harassment. At all. You're not being specifically targeted or hounded. You just got into an internet argument with a troll.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (18子コメント)

    So as long as Drape never harasses the same person twice, he is on solid ground?

    It has already been mentioned by him that multiple people have complained about harassment from him, but since some of those people replied to him to defend themselves and others stopped posting here to not get harassed again it doesn't violate our incredibly complicated rules?

    Again, the moderators have already lied for him, how should we track this to make sure it has never happened before? He HAS mod rights and is just on the honor system to never mod his own posts, we should just trust them?

    [–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (8子コメント)

    So as long as Drape never harasses the same person twice, he is on solid ground?

    Your being offended is not harassment.

    You losing an argument on the Internet (or anywhere) is not harassment.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    It wasn't an argument, it was me posting in a city's subreddit that I wanted to gauge interest in a meet up and asking for advice on that meet up.

    Drape responded with:

    Why would anyone want to drink with a bunch of beta males and snivel and whine about "white cisprivilege" and listen to their high-pitched voices drone on endlessly about how horrible gamergate is and how there's rampant misogyny in video games and KOCH BROTHERS KOCH BROTHERS KOCH BROTHERS

    Then when I didn't respond to his point he said:

    notice he didn't actually try to argue against anything I said

    Then with no response he said:

    you are a group of people that want to get together and huff each other's farts. I get it, I totally do.

    That is when I responded and the flame war started. Please tell me what harassment looks like?

    [–]OliveGreen87 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    There was a reddit user who used to say things to me on my old account like "I hope you have a miscarriage" and "die, fatass" but in long, story-like comments. I would report him, he would come back with another usernames. Over the course of two years he reddit-stalked me with about 16 different usernames. He said horrible, awful things to me. He found my facebook and posted pictures on my comments. I have a different username now to get rid of him.

    THAT'S harassment, not getting into a stupid argument. Unless drape follows your comments, messages you threatening and antagonizing things, he's not harassing you, he's just being a dick.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Sigh, I could care less what he sends to my inbox. As I proved yesterday I would probably respond and enjoy it. What I am saying is not that I am a wounded person, but that he should not be a moderator of /r/Omaha and someone should tone down some of his trolling at times. Do we really need a troll as a moderator scaring people away from the already small community?

    [–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    That response isn't harassing anyone.

    If you didn't counterpoint, then his statement is factual.

    The statement about huffing gas is pretty factual - it could be made for any group that tries to self-identify on a binary spectrum.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

    So, you legitimately think that this line of posting is beneficial to the community? Again, I have never called for him to be banned (or if I did am not holding my breath for it). All I am wanting is for when a person posts here that they do not have to see that the moderators are openly trolling them. That reporting a post doesn't get you laughed at during the next meet up. Both of those wishes seem pretty reasonable in my opinion.

    [–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

    So, you legitimately think that this line of posting is beneficial to the community?

    You came to a public forum and posed a question. Which is beneficial to the community.

    You wanted discussion about what people thought about having a chapter of drinking liberally and that's exactly what happened. Which is beneficial to the community.

    You didn't hear what you wanted to hear / heard a completely polar opposite view and got offended. Which is still beneficial to the community because it's a counterpoint to your initial premise.

    All I am wanting is for when a person posts here that they do not have to see that the moderators are openly trolling them.

    1. What are your reasonable expectations when you start a very polarizing topic?

    2. Are you new to the Internet?

    That reporting a post doesn't get you laughed at during the next meet up.

    I don't know if you reported a post, if you did, you shouldn't have bitten on the bait and let the moderators handle it.

    If people laughing at you worries you, then you have some maturing to do. Life becomes infinitely easier to live when you stop caring about what other people think.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I don't know if you reported a post, if you did, you shouldn't have bitten on the bait and let the moderators handle it.

    I honestly do not know if they did. As I said in the initial post here, the only thing I heard about my report is that Drape (in a since deleted post) mocked me for reporting him. That seems like exactly what a moderator should do. Other than that, I have heard nothing except was referred to our harassment policy which I outline is pretty dumb above.

    I am still waiting for anyone to explain why they deleted all their past posts, whether Drape mods with or without Knowltey's knowledge, and why responding to a harassment of someone shitting on you makes the harassment not happen.

    [–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Seems like you're going through proper channels and this seems like serious business for you, hopefully you can see it through to the end.

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (7子コメント)

    So as long as Drape never harasses the same person twice, he is on solid ground?

    No, as long as he isn't following specific people around and fucking with them, he's fine. The easiest way to do that is to just fuck with everyone, you know, like he does. If you don't want to see his posts, Reddit has a handy Ignore feature. I have a lot of folks on ignore. I'd also suggest tagging him, so you realize before you read the post and get mad that it's a troll post.

    but since some of those people replied to him to defend themselves

    So, here's the question. If you keep responding to someone in an argument, and you use that as grounds for harassment, doesn't that mean they could do the same thing? Seriously, as long as you keep talking to someone, they are perfectly justified in talking back. If you want them to stop talking to you, put them on ignore and stop lighting up their inbox. Christ.

    Again, the moderators have already lied for him

    So you say. Other folks in the thread are saying you're full of shit, and your link is now broken. Go pay for uneditreddit on whatever post was deleted. Until then, innocent until proven guilty.

    And even if he has moderated posts in the past, it's possible it was done without Knowltey's knowledge. But let's jump straight to MODS ARE LYING RIIIIIOOOOT.

    [–]KnowlteyMeetup Coordinator [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I routinely audit the mod logs so I can make sure things are consistently enforced between the mods.

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

    Oh, since he harasses EVERYONE he isn't bad but a great member of our community ... makes sense.

    And even if he has moderated posts in the past, it's possible it was done without Knowltey's knowledge. But let's jump straight to MODS ARE LYING RIIIIIOOOOT.

    So, he lied to Knowltey and abused his power and is still a moderator ... you are doing a great job defending him

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

    Oh, since he harasses EVERYONE he isn't bad but a great member of our community ... makes sense.

    It's not harassment. Harassment is targeted, this is clearly not. That's my point.

    Oh, hang on, I'm getting a tingly sensation in my justice lobe. You're arguing with me on the internet. Shit, shit, SHIT. HARASSSSSMENT. /U/KNOWLTEY, HE'S HARASSING ME BECAUSE HE KEEPS RESPONDING TO MY RESPONSES WITH DISAGREEMENTS!

    [–]placebotwo [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    Triggering Intensifies

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    Oh god, is OP going to get PTSD from this?

    [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

    I am impressed that you keep finding straw men to attack when not responding to anything I am bringing up.

    A moderator that you previously admitted has abused his power is openly trolling a city subreddit and because his friends own it, they lie and cover for him.

    The harassment reporting is my attempt at getting some sort of action taken to remove him from his moderator status. Instead Knowltey has lied for him.

    Also it is very telling that while you guys all complain about my being so offended and sensitive, Drape and Knowltey are the ones deleting all of their past posts.

    Fucking hilarious if you ask me that big bad Drape, troll of trolls is covering his tracks.

    [–]Mehknic [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I am impressed that you keep finding straw men to attack when not responding to anything I am bringing up.

    I have responded to every point you've brought in response to me at least once. I did not tear down your OP point by point initially.

    On the other hand, you keep using the term "harassment" for something that is not harassment. Behavior must be repeated against you and/or targeted at you to be considered harassment, and one argument in one thread is neither of those things. This is not a strawman; your entire argument is predicated on your continued attempts to accuse someone of harassment, using the incorrect definition of harassment.

    A moderator that you previously admitted has abused his power

    I said nothing of the sort. I actually said I think you're full of shit on that point. Are you confusing me with another user, or are you confusing my clearly hypothetical "even if" statement for reality?

    The harassment reporting is my attempt at getting some sort of action taken to remove him from his moderator status.

    And I'm arguing that your "report" is a false one, because you do not understand what harassment is, and Drape is not harassing you.

    Also it is very telling that while you guys all complain about my being so offended and sensitive, Drape and Knowltey are the ones deleting all of their past posts.

    Maybe, but it doesn't actually mean anything.

    Fucking hilarious if you ask me that big bad Drape, troll of trolls is covering his tracks.

    There is nothing to respond to here, but I'm quoting it since you seem to thing I'm missing critical pieces of your posts.

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        [–]BadMrFrostySCSir Frosty, Knight of the White Table [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        Oh cool, is it that time of year where someone gets butt hurt because drape doesn't agree with their politics and plays the victim? I love this season.

        [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        Seriously, that is the conclusion you come to after I explicitly state that is not the case?

        I honestly do not get you people. If I ignore him I am mocked for being a wuss. If I engage him I am mocked for being angry. If I question his mod status it is because I am sad and a victim.

        The dude is a troll who drives people away, maybe just don't make him a mod? Huh?

        [–]BadMrFrostySCSir Frosty, Knight of the White Table [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        If you make a generalization about a race, then explicitly state you aren't racist, guess what...you are still racist. Making a case to ban Drape then explicitly stating that's not what you are doing doesn't make it so.

        We went through this whole ordeal last year, the guy in your position nominated a guy to become an impartial mod, that guy BECAME the primary content moderator of the sub and didn't ban drape because it turns out he's not actually a problem. So, another gentelmen made a sub for like minded folks; http://www.reddit.com/r/OmahaModerated/

        [–]hercooleez316 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

        Quit being so sensitive. There are trolls on the internet, that's just a nature of the beast. People will spew hate and stupid stuff all day long. I don't agree with the hate and belittling comments people post but it is what it is. If you can't deal with trolls then maybe you just need to step away from the computer.

        [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

        It is r/Omaha not 4chan and he isn't just a troll but the guy who prides himself on having driven people from this sub ... while holding a mod position where the other mods defend him.

        [–]hercooleez316 [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

        It's the internet, doesn't matter the website, if you choose to leave a website or a sub because of someone's trolling comments you are too thin skinned.

        [–]capedja[S] [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

        The problem isn't that they are choosing another, it is mostly that they aren't choosing us. Why do we take pride in the internet being a shit show?

        [–]hercooleez316 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

        We aren't taking pride, it's just the nature of the internet. And if I remember right, you can be a member and read more than just one subreddit. If someone chooses another sub then so what, does that take away from your pocket book, your life, your wellbeing? Sure people will leave but people will also stay on a site that doesn't censor or block those who choose to troll or make stupid comments because they have the right to do that. Now if someone steps over that line and posts detailed personal information or doxxes you, then I can see an issue.