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[–]Springheeljac 155 ポイント156 ポイント  (173子コメント)

Don't you know that feelings are now more important than facts?

[–]cumguzzler3 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (172子コメント)

http://i.imgur.com/5rfeRK4.png

They say that Reddit is dominated by far left SJW-type people. How does this make Reddit feel?

[–]gayunicornrainbows 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (5子コメント)

[–]Rhamni 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Where did that black suspect get that chair?

[–]iNEEDheplreddit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Back Yard Wrestler

[–]CJ090 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chair=machine gun. Shoot him

[–]Dilsnoofus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It rustles my neckbeard.

[–]teapot112 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

You are just posting typical stormfront copy/paste talking points. Here are some stats that help explain the discrepancies in crime statistics.

Black youth are arrested for drug crimes at a rate ten times higher than that of whites. But new research shows that young African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs and less likely to develop substance use disorders, compared to whites, Native Americans, Hispanics and people of mixed race.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/07/study-whites-more-likely-to-abuse-drugs-than-blacks/

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men for similar crimes in recent years, an analysis by the U.S. Sentencing Commission found.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324432004578304463789858002.html

Black Americans were nearly four times as likely as whites to be arrested on charges of marijuana possession in 2010, even though the two groups used the drug at similar rates, according to new federal data.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/04/us/marijuana-arrests-four-times-as-likely-for-blacks.html?smid=tw-share&_r=2&

Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater i, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings.

http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white

I mean, stuff like this is just obvious bullshit that could easily be debunked by anyone that isn't trying to perpetuate their own racist biases.

In before some gentleman says, " Facts are racist!!!" racist key words.

Statistics rarely exist without explanations, and these explanations can certainly be racist. It's sad how many people can't/won't understand the difference between a couple of numbers, and the way people choose to interpret those numbers.

Their interpretation might be correct, or might be wrong, but that is often independent of the correctness of the numbers themselves.

Context always matters. Nothing (even precious science) is completely objective and free from societal influence.

Poverty among black population is triple that of whites.

26% percent of black people live below poverty level.

45% of black people born to black middle class parents end up in poverty.

Black people's unemployment is twice that of white people.

They also love to make one of the basic mistakes of statistics: Correlation does not equals causation.

So we have someone who tries to explain a A-B-C phenomena except completely ignores A in its entirely and focuses only on B and C. (For example, a racist equals the high rate of crimes (B) committed by black people in comparison to other groups as their own fault (C) while ignoring the state of their lives as whole, their quality of living, government approved sanctions based on their skin color, less access to resources, little to no proper education system, years and years of discrimination,etc(A) )

A racist prefers easy 'on the surface' answers and doesn't bother to look more than it is necessary to confirm his own opinions.

A racist treats a group of people like its one monolithic, static thing whereas dozens and dozens of external factors are involved in understanding why people behave the way they do.

TL;DR- Facts aren't racist. But interpreting them out of context, ignoring countless other factors surrounding it and coming to wrong conclusions based on it is racist.

[–]cheryltost 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

copy/paste talking points.

It's ironic because its you who is copy pasting this very post, even though its not even discussing the statistics presented here, and doesn't "help explain the discrepancies" in murder, rape and theft rates even the slightest, and even after its been debunked many times.

African Americans are actually less likely to use drugs

That drug survey is extremely misleading, first it counts alcohol as a drug. Yes white people may binge drink more than black people, but that's hardly comparable to something like crack.

But much more importantly its SELF-REPORTED data, which makes it completely unreliable. This self-reported survey of drug use has been completely debunked by academic research, which compared whether different races report using drugs in these surveys and then actually testing their urine samples to see if they are telling the truth. It found that blacks are 20 times more likely to lie about using drugs:

"This study provides evidence that compared with other groups, African Americans provide less valid information on drug-use surveys. The findings suggest that African American respondents had significantly lower concordance rates"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/pdf/11524_2006_Article_433.pdf

The more accurate way is to look at the data provided by the US Department of Health, which releases reports every year on how many people came to the emergency room while on drugs. They find that blacks are 3.5X more likely to go to the ER because of elicit drugs and 7.2X more likely to go to the ER because they are using crack!

There is no discrepancy between marijuana arrests and black use of marijuana, there is a 20x discrepancy between what blacks say on self-reported surveys about their marijuana use and how much they actually use marijauana, as confirmed by urine samples! So your point is completely false, even though it no way excuses the massively higher murder, rape and theft rates.

Prison sentences of black men were nearly 20% longer than those of white men

Of course they are, just like prison sentences for men are longer than for women for the same crime. Sentence lenght is based on history and the likelihood that the person will commit that crime against, this is one the basic tenants of how sentences are handed out. It's perfectly logical that a demographics with a murder rate that is 7X higher would get a longer sentence.

The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html

Longer prison terms are given to those demographics which have higher risk of crime, and act as a deterrant against further crime. This again in no way whatsoever excuses or explains the massive disparity between black and white murder rates, in fact it solidifies it!

Black Americans were nearly four times as likely as whites to be arrested on charges of marijuana possession in 2010

None of this is relevant to our discussion which is about murder, rape and theft rates, but even so black men are much more likely to be drug dealers:

"According to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, of the estimated 225,242 sentenced prisoners under state jurisdiction serving time for drug offenses in 2011, 67,271 were non-Hispanic white (29.9%), 91,775 were non-Hispanic black (40.7%), 47,479 were Hispanic (21.1%), and 18,717 (8.3%) were unaccounted for or not specified in the report."

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p12ac.pdf

Its not surprising that they get more arrested for it when they deal so much drugs.

Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts

Of course they do, because Young black males also kill 14x more than young white men.

Source: Time magazine

They reason they are more likely to get shot is because they murder exponentially more. This doesn't explain anything, its not some form of oppression like you're implying, its a consequence of their exponetitally higher murder rate.

26% percent of black people live below poverty level.

This has already been covered, but lets do it again: There twice as many white people in poverty as there are black people, and it if it was true that (irrespective of race) poverty caused violence than whites would be commiting twice as much violence as African Americans. But they don't. African Americans still commit more violent crime in absolute number, despite having half as many poor people.

There are 19 million whites in poverty and the the total homicides commited by whites is 5,286, while there are 10.9 million blacks in poverty and the total homicides commited by black is 5,890.

So the rate of homicide is 54/100,000 for blacks living in poverty and 27/100,000 for whites living in poverty. Nearly 2X larger for blacks as for whites in poverty.

So even if we look at those only below the poverty line, blacks still commit murder at 2x the rate.

45% of black people born to black middle class parents end up in poverty.

Having massively higher murder and crime rates than the mainstream society tends to lead to poverty. We already know this.

could easily be debunked by anyone

Except not only have you not debunked anything, you haven't even discussed the rape, murder and theft rates. You only keep copy pasting this, which says nothing more than that African Americans get arrested more, which they do, because they commit exponetially more violent crime.

The rest of your post is just the tired old "this is racist" ad hominem.

So everything you said is either completely irrelevant to explaining the VAST discrepancy between black and white murder, rape, prostituion and theft rates, and completely bullshit. At least change your copy pasta next time so its relevant to the discussion.

[–]kefkai 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd be curious to see what would happen if you were to look at statistics based on single families, the one thing that always stuck out to me is how black families have a 67% single mother rate. The only other race that's anywhere close to those numbers is Native Americans and they have a huge problem with alcoholism, and I mean you can't really blame them for that given their history..

Did you look into single parent families without a father figure for crime statistics? I'd be curious though I guess I can just google it myself

[–]teapot112 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do you call this ironic? You use facts to promote the agenda that black commit crimes because of the color of their skins and its all their fault.

You follow their recruiting strategy on a point by point basis.

[–]linesreadlines 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nothing you posted there (black people are poor, are arrested more for drugs, get slightly longer sentences) in any way explains the MASSIVE discrepancy in murder rates.

Africans Americans kill 7x more than white Americans. Being more likely to get arrested for marijuana possession as compared to expectation on a self-reported drug survey doesn't come even remotely close to justifying that murder rate.

In fact you don't even address what we're talking about in the thread, and haven't debunked anything. You're not even discussing his statistics! They're facts from the FBI, not "stormfront".

[–]Merlin_was_cool 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

God you people sure love killing each other.

[–]teapot112 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

My focus is not on facts by themselves. My focus is primarily on how copypasting folks interpret it. I am not arguing against facts, infact most statisticians/ sociologists actually agree with it and I do too.

[–]gayunicornrainbows 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Your points do not in any way "help explain the discrepancies in crime statistics". Half of (like black people are poor and therefore their murder rates are justified) has already been covered, the other half like "blacks get 20% more jail time" does nothing to explain the discrepancy. In fact they are the outcome of the discrepancy.

It's same reason men get longer sentences for their crimes, because they have higher crime rates them women.

A new study by Sonja Starr, an assistant law professor at the University of Michigan, found that men are given much higher sentences than women convicted of the same crimes in federal court. The study found that men receive sentences that are 63 percent higher, on average, than their female counterparts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/men-women-prison-sentence-length-gender-gap_n_1874742.html

Its the same thing with African Americans, and it no way justifies or explains the atrociously high rape and murders rates. They're supposed to be a detererent to reduce those rates, if someone knows they'll get a harsher judgement they should be more deterred to commit that crime.

[–]teapot112 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You realize these Stormfront copypasta's are made purely to show that their racism is based on statistical facts that prove their point of view.

These copy pastes are made to look like an in depth statistical analysis, but they are a collection of cherry picked data used with no context.

For example, poor black populations tend to be in highly dense urban areas. Poor white people tend to spread out in rural communities. Comparing one population to the other without considering the numerous variables is pointless.

Something these copy pastes won't tell you is that crime rates across different urban communities with high black populations should match up if their racist point of view was correct. This of course is not the case. This is because there are numerous factors that go into crime rates.

We know crime rates are a reflection of many environmental factors and that two communities with similar demographics can have widely different crime rates. These copy pastes pretend that none of the countless factors make a difference and that skin colour is what really matters. Hell, these copy pastes ignore a large factor and that is the police force. Stats come from arrests and we know that blacks get arrested for drug related crimes at much higher rates than whites even though there is no difference in actual drug related activities.

[–]James_Locke 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (44子コメント)

To be fair, 25% of Blacks live in poverty vs 12% of whites. So twice as much, and as we know, living in poverty also strongly correlates to criminal activity (I AM NOT SAYING IT CAUSES IT.)

[–]gayunicornrainbows 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (35子コメント)

There twice as many white people in poverty as there are black people, and it if it was true that (irrespective of race) poverty caused violence than whites would be commiting twice as much violence as African Americans. But they don't. African Americans still commit more violent crime in absolute number, despite having half as many poor people.

There are 19 million whites in poverty and the the total homicides commited by whites is 5,286, while there are 10.9 million blacks in poverty and the total homicides commited by black is 5,890.

So the rate of homicide is 54/100,000 for blacks living in poverty and 27/100,000 for whites living in poverty. Nearly 2X larger for blacks as for whites in poverty.

So even if we look at those only below the poverty line, blacks still commit murder at 2x the rate.

[–]cumguzzler3 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (7子コメント)

To be fair, 25% of Blacks live in poverty vs 12% of whites. So twice as much.

And yet the murder rate is SEVEN times as much.

Also there are plenty of other groups that have lower socioeconomic status, such as immigrants from Asia, and they don't have anywhere near the crime rates.

[–]taranaki 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its a culture issue rather than race. Cultural values are choices, race is not. Inner city culture which many african americans are born or subscribe to is toxic. That culture matters is a large factor can be seen in the black inner city culture's perogative in "not acting white". Aka people who value education or dont want to live by their cultural rules.

Being African-American is merely a correlation not a causation. It is correllated to having a large chance of being born into Inner City Culture

[–]naidim 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Being accurate doesn't make you right.

Wait, wut?

[–]FlownFish 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd like to see some additional parameters and additional information. When it's stated that African Americans are "responsible" does this mean convictions? Does this factor in racial profiling when it comes to arrests and the following convictions? And how about socio-enconomic status? How do African Americans living under the poverty line compare to other ethnicity of the same status?

Also my attempt to follow that link in the image rerouted to the FBI homepage. Too lazy to retype.

[–]naidim 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

[–]TheoHooke 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Arrests doesn't necessarily mean conviction though. If possible, could we see the conviction rate versus arrests for the ethnicities?

[–]m392 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

the conviction rate may further be skewed other factors, though, such as bias within the court system and things such as plea deals.

[–]Sergeant_Sarcastic 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

oh right, because there's no way arrests could possibly be more biased than the full due process of law!

[–]NNYPhillipJFry 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Well, judging by the newness of your account, the fact that all you do is post on things about the current situation in Baltimore, and the fact that those posts are mostly underhanded racist/bigoted comments, I am going to assume you frequent the normal racist blogs and this is a "clean" account.

That being said facts are facts. That link is to the one that your image mentions.

How does this make Reddit feel?

Sad

The facts presented are very sad. It is true, blacks due have a higher rate of arrest in some of the areas. But what is really interesting is

In 2013, 68.9 percent of all individuals arrested were white, 28.3 percent were black, and 2.9 percent were of other races.

Another interesting fact is

African Americans Make Up Nearly Half the Youth Detained for Drug Offenses, But Use Drugs at the Same Rate as Whites (Source: Crime in the United States, 2001. (2002) Washington, DC: U.S. Justice Department, Federal Bureau of Investigations.)

Yet blacks only make up 13% of the population and whites make up 63.7%(pretty close to the % of white arrested). I guess we as Americans should consider why blacks have such a high rate of arrests versus the rest of Americans. Could it be the poverty that many have been brought up in? The lack of education due to the poverty? The lack of quality jobs due to the lack of education? Could it be that they are more frequently targeted by police?

Who knows, but what I do know is we should all work together to build a better community and help each other out. Perhaps recent events will help open a dialog about the racial issues that still plague America.

[–]cheryltost 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

African Americans Make Up Nearly Half the Youth Detained for Drug Offenses, But Use Drugs at the Same Rate as Whites

That survey is extremely misleading, first it counts alcohol as a drug. Yes white people may binge drink more than black people, but that's hardly comparable to something like crack.

But more importantly its SELF-REPORTED data, which makes it completely unreliable. This self-reported survey of drug use has actually been completely debunked by academic research, which compared whether different races report using drugs in these surveys and then actually testing their urine samples to see if they are telling the truth. It found that blacks are 20 times more likely to lie about using cocaine:

"This study provides evidence that compared with other groups, African Americans provide less valid information on drug-use surveys. The findings suggest that African American respondents had significantly lower concordance rates"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3455900/pdf/11524_2006_Article_433.pdf

The more accurate way is to look at the data provided by the US Department of Health, which releases reports every year on how many people came to the emergency room while on drugs. They find that blacks are 3.5X more likely to go to the ER because of elicit drugs and 7.2X more likely to go to the ER because they are using crack.

So while African American self-report that they have the same drug rates, the reality when tested shows they are lying.

Could it be that they are more frequently targeted by police?

Blacks actually make up for 40% of drug dealers, despite being 12% of the population. Whites make up 29.9% despite being 64% of the population. So statistically they should be arrested at a multiple several times higher than whites, its not that they are "more frequently targeted", its that the commit more drug crime and hence get a higher arrest rate:

"According to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, of the estimated 225,242 sentenced prisoners under state jurisdiction serving time for drug offenses in 2011, 67,271 were non-Hispanic white (29.9%), 91,775 were non-Hispanic black (40.7%), 47,479 were Hispanic (21.1%), and 18,717 (8.3%) were unaccounted for or not specified in the report."

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/p12ac.pdf

Education?

Actually black people get tons of scholarships and have lower requirements to enter university than any other race. It's called affirmative action.

Baltimore for example has one of the highest educational spendings per student at $2,108, higher than white majority cities like Portland ($1,269), Seattle ($1,101) or Boston ($1,672).

http://wallethub.com/edu/cities-with-the-most-least-efficient-spending-on-education/9390/#main-findings

Blacks with much lower admission scores than whites are picked and accepted into colleges, simply for being black:

In 2012, the mean critical reading SAT score for college accepted students was 428 for blacks and 527 for whites. For mathematics, it was 428 for blacks and 536 for whites. For writing it was 417 for blacks and 515 for whites.

From: US Department of Education

poverty

Somone above has already covered this beore. There are 19 million whites in poverty and the the total homicides commited by whites is 5,286, while there are 10.9 million blacks in poverty and the total homicides commited by black is 5,890.

So the rate of homicide is 54/100,000 for blacks living in poverty and 27/100,000 for whites living in poverty. Nearly 2X larger for blacks as for whites in poverty.

So even if we look at those only below the poverty line, blacks still commit murder at 2x the rate.

The lack of quality jobs

This definitely feeds into it. Employeers do not want to hire those who commit crime, that's why we do crime checks at our companies. And since blacks have such high crime rates, they find themselves harder to employ. It's a cycle I can imagine.

Perhaps recent events will help open a dialog about the racial issues that still plague America.

Well until we can openly talk about instead of continually telling black people that all of their problems are continually caused by relentless white opression at all times, everywhere, then we can move on. The culture of black America must change, and it really is about culture and not race. African immigrants for example tend to not have anywhere near the issues with crime that black Americans have who are born here and grow up in the ghetto culture that glorifies crime.

[–]NNYPhillipJFry 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I'll address a few of these

As far as education spending goes, you say Baltimore spends more, which it does, in that link it shows Baltimore is only 3 ranks more than Portland yet, you don't take into account the cost of living in Baltimore, which is higher, you would need only 4,100 a month in Portland where you would need 4,300 in Baltimore.

As far as SAT scores being lower for blacks it has been proven that tests like SAT do have a racial bias, check out this paper from Harvard.

Also here is a more up to date article (2013 vs your 2005) on how blacks have still more racial biased drug arrests than whites.

Yes, we do need to talk about American black culture, and it really just stems from lack of education and proper guidance, perhaps we should put MORE money into the system. Realize that schools have only been desegregated for maybe 2 or 3 generations. I think America needs to work a bit harder on support its population as a whole.

[–]cheryltost -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

you don't take into account the cost of living in Baltimore

Why would I take the cost of rent/food/tv...etc into account? Its completely unrelated to the educational spending.

do have a racial bias, check out this paper

I just read that paper and that's not the conclusion that the paper comes to at all. Did you even read it?

blacks have still more racial biased drug arrests than whites.

Against this has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. This does not justify the massively higher murder/rape/theft..etc rates. That whole self-reported survey is BS as I have already shown above, of course they're not going to report that they smoke illegal drugs. You can't trust self-reported drug surveys, its a ridiculous premise to begin with.

Yes, we do need to talk about American black culture, and it really just stems from lack of education and proper guidance, perhaps we should put MORE money into the system.

I do agree with you completely. I hope to one day see actual change, and not the bandaids and politically correct actions that look not to offend and step on any toes, while not actually creating any relative measures for change. I do agree that education/schools are they key, we have to reach these inner city African Americans at a young age.

[–]Hungry_Lion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Need better elementary schools and pre-schools to instill the value of education before kids are too old and start to become jaded.

[–]Lord_Wrath -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Have you heard about the Iran Contra affair? Essentially, the CIA allowed Nicaraguan drug dealers to traffic drugs into major cities (which tend to be heavily Black/Hispanic) in exchange for a cut which the CIA used to buy weapons from Iran to give to Nicaragua since they (Reagan) wanted to overthrow the Socialist Nicaraguan government.

Everything is the way it is for a reason. Gang/Cartel presence, bias drug laws that incriminate certain drugs more harshly while treating addicts as criminals, and oppressively impoverished neighborhoods result in the racist cunt's assumption of African-Americans being more inherently criminal. He can go suck a bag of dicks.

[–]NNYPhillipJFry 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

[–]gayunicornrainbows -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How does this make Reddit feel? Sad

Well the positive thing is that it can change. There is nothing inherent in African Amercains that causes them to have such high murder, rape and robbery rates, its largely due to a culture that holds them back. They even have a word for it:

n the United States, acting white is a pejorative term, usually applied to African Americans, which refers to a person's perceived betrayal of their culture by assuming the social expectations of white society.[1][2] Success in education in particular (depending on one's cultural background) can be seen as a form of "selling out" by being disloyal to one's culture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acting_white

[–]jokersleuth 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You know what my Jamaican teacher said? (Paraphrasing BTW) He said in Baltimore more blacks were killed by other blacks and no one raised awareness, but 1 black guy dies from a white person and black people start lighting their communities on fire.

[–]m392 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

sad, but true. It is a similar case in a lot of major cities-especially when it is local kids killing each other. It is a much harder problem to correct than pointing the finger at cops or outsiders and protesting for new laws.

[–]Poshmidget 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Kendrick killed it talking about this. "So why did I weep when Trayvon Martin was in the street? When gang banging make me kill a nigga blacker than me? Hypocrite!"

[–]teapot112 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

One is a social problem, and the other is a institutional problem. Don't conflate between the two.

[–]Lord_Wrath -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your Jamaican teacher obviously knows jack-shit about the anger that people feel over the Police racism and brutality. The anger is pretty much the fact that it says that the Judicial system refuses to give these communities justice in the face of overwhelming evidence. How long do you expect people to just take that lying down?

[–]suissetalk 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (58子コメント)

It feels like stormfront copypasta. Because it is.

Edit: Just to be clear, the stats are from the fbi. The constant posting of these stats on this site on every single thread even slightly related to black people is from stormfront and/or people who have a lot in common with stormfront.

[–]gayunicornrainbows 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

stormfront

Its actually reliable information from the FBI. It's not from stormfront.

[–]Berobero -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The graphic is a stormfront copy-paste and does misrepresent the data it links. A reported arrest (the only thing the data covers) does not occur for every crime committed, nor does a reported arrest entail that the person arrested was guilty of the crime, nor does a reported arrest entail that a crime was committed in the first place.

Then you get into questions like:

  • How is race determined in the first place?

  • Are certain races more likely to be arrested and reported as being arrested?

  • Do certain races happen to have demographic/socioeconomic trends that also correlate with the rate of reported arrests?

  • Are there any other confounding factors or issues with the methodology for the collection of the data?

The graphic is trying to force a vary narrow interpretation (blacks are violent and inherently prone to crime) of data that is anything but black and white (pun intended).

[–]gayunicornrainbows 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I just googled it and no it isn't.

However even if it was and even if stormfront did post stats from the FBI on their site, so what? Does that somehow make them invalid, because stormfront referred to? If stormfront wrote on their site "water is wet" or sourced the US Census to show that a certain percentage of the population is a certain age, does that somehow invalidate that statement? You don't get to discount reliable and valid data from the FBI by saying "this is stormfront because it paints a negative image of black crime being high". That's the reality.

How is race determined in the first place?

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/cius-home

Are certain races more likely to be arrested and reported as being arrested?

Yes, those that commit more crime are more likely to get arrested.

Do certain races happen to have demographic/socioeconomic trends that also correlate with the rate of reported arrests?

I have no idea what you're even asking for here? What demographic trends? Their race is a demographic trend, but the entire report splits it into many different factors. Read about it here:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/cius-home

Are there any other confounding factors or issues with the methodology for the collection of the data?

The FBI is the most prestigous and repected organization there is when it comes to national crime statistics. If you have any problems with it, feel free to email or call them.

I have no idea what type of mental gymnastiscs you need to perform to make these rape and murder rates acceptable.

[–]Berobero -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/cius-home

Doesn't answer the question. Nor does your link even get close to what my rhetorical question is posing.

Yes, those that commit more crime are more likely to get arrested.

So, for example, racial profiling would not be a non-trivial counter explanation?

What demographic trends?

Age would be a key example demographic. "whites, "blacks," and "others" do not share the same demographics or socioeconomic standing. There are trends within the groups. Age, income, education, family structure, etc, etc. Good luck teasing that all out and then pointing at, hey race is obviously the key factor here.

Read about it here

So point me to the place, please, that brakes it out and attempts to actual apply real statistical analysis instead of just pasting raw data and pretending that it means something.

Edit: And either way, you just completely skirted over the fact that the graphic is clearly misrepresenting its source. "reported arrest" simply does not mean "responsible for".

[–]cumguzzler3 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Nope its a list facts from the FBI, publicaly available for viewing:

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-43

You can also see the crime rates for Asians, Natives, Hawaiians and Whites. Stormfront has nothing to with the FBI, as difficult as that may be to accept.

[–]funkaymonkay62 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

On this list, Hispanics are included in the "white" group.

[–]Noviomega 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hispanics are white. Ever filled out a form that asks you "White-Hispanic or White-Not Hispanic"?

[–]asspounder4 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (21子コメント)

It has nothing to do with Stormfront, its a list of official crime stats from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI).

Just because something makes black people look bad (like criminal statistics) doesn't mean it was made up by Stormfront.

[–]LetsJerkCircular 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

There has been such an effort to 'prove' that black people are a lower level of human. I can't tell if it's a loud group of racists or really the average opinion of mainstream users of the site.

[–]Wahsteve 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's also a reactionary response to an overabundance of political correctness in the media and the inability to discuss real issues/race relations without walking on eggshells lest one get dismissed and attacked as a racist.

[–]LetsJerkCircular 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I get that. I can remember when my best friend and I sort of came out to each other (if you will) about our negative opinions about "ghetto" people. It was nice to be able to say what we felt and know that it was valid. But instead of writing off an entire race, we realized that there were good people that fit that category and that it's more complex than emotions make it seem.

What I'm seeing all over, as of late, is a tacit agreement and affirmation of simplistic racism.

It seems like there is a vocal minority of racist opinions that are being elevated.

It did not feel like this on this site before. It's bad if it's 'stormfront' or whatever, but worse if it's what the reddit community believes in general. We'll see, I guess.

[–]Noviomega 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well if you see anyone writing off an entire race then please let them know. A lot of times, people posts these kinds of stats because they're tired of hearing about white oppressors, and actually hope some people can start taking responsibility for their position.

Even the worst racists I've ever met have acknowledged here are good black people. They may still not like them but that's beyond the point. I haven't heard anyone say every black person is bad. I have heard people saying things like stop rioting and start parenting. Stop breaking the law. Stop living a culture of gangs and violence. Stop idolizing violent musicians. There's just as much a culture problem as there is a police brutality problem.

[–]suissetalk 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's both.

[–]linesreadlines 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I love how anything that makes black people bad is instantly from stormfront according to Reddit. Even if it literally is not, and you have exactly the source it comes from, which just happens to be the largest and most prestigous crime facts gathering organization in the nation. I can't think of a more reliable source of information on crime stats than the FBI. But because it looks bad for black people, the facts must be from a racist source.

[–]Crioca -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It's a misleading use of statistics to be sure:

SOCIAL ANATOMY OF RACIAL AND ETHNIC DISPARITIES IN VIOLENCE

[–]teapot112 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

lol people are downvoting you for ruining their stormfront interpretation of facts.

[–]adaam_93 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes me feel certain you're a fucking racist.

[–]aedansblade36 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Out of curiosity, do those statistics take into account how that minorities tend to be prosecuted more often than other races for the same offenses? Also, are those numbers constant or averaged?

EDIT: There are too many unmentioned factors to this that may or may not be at play. That's the fallacy of research.

[–]gayunicornrainbows 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

It's just the raw crime stats from the FBI, no PC spin added

Also what do you mean by "minorities tend to be prosecuted more often than other races for the same offenses"? When someone murders someone, it counts as one murder in the stats no matter which race that murders belongs to.

[–]asspounder4 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Source?

[–]cheryltost -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

take into account how that minorities tend to be prosecuted more often than other races

What? They take into account how many people were killed, raped, pimped, assaulted...etc.

[–]Boshasaurus_Rex 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (4子コメント)

But in order for those crimes to be attributed to a race there has to be a perp.

So his question is, do those stats take into account the fact that minorities are dealt with much more harshly when being tried?

[–]aedansblade36 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This guy gets it. There's no way the data set can take into account unrecorded crimes, so assuming the stats are absolute is a foolish concept.

[–]Mike-Heck 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

those number are not account how harshly they were sent away for 1 murder who went to jail for 10 year is same as 1 murder who went to jail for 100 years.

[–]Boshasaurus_Rex 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I am referring to the fact that white criminals are more likely to plead out to/get charged with a lesser crime vs the book being thrown at minorities.

[–]j-roc_son 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I do agree with you on minorities getting fucked on lesser crimes, I really don't think it's any easier for white people to get out of violent charges such as these. Rich people, maybe, but not white people.

[–]brathor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're asking how "responsibility" is measured. In convictions? (Edit: nevermind, thought you were replying to a different comment.)

[–]muxman 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit is totally offended that you tried to use facts from a credible and knowledgeable source to offend us.

[–]teapot112 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not really. I frequently hear this misleading assertion that people are offended by facts. No, they are not.

Facts aren't racist. You are.

[–]mindless_striker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe because blacks are checked more often be cause rasist police?

But whatcshould i know i got this info from social media

[–]PizzaBeersTelly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Found the racist, yall.

[–]DrowningInFeces -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is part of the problem. Facts=Racism. What? What kind of logic is this?

[–]teapot112 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Its not facts = racism.

Its because they use these facts to paint the narrative that black commit crimes because of the color of their skin. Or atleast strongly imply so. Facts don't just exist in vacuum and the statisticians are still struggling to make strong causation that your typical reddit copypasting racists do so comfortably.

Facts aren't racist. You are.

[–]PizzaBeersTelly -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Here's another one.

[–]Crioca 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/www/external/labor/seminars/adp/pdfs/adp_ajph.pdf

Our study reveals that over 60 percent of this gap is explained by immigration status, marriage, length of residence, verbal/reading IQ, impulsivity, and neighborhood context. If we focus on odds ratios rather than raw coefficients, then an even larger 70 percent of the black-white gap is explained. Of all factors, neighborhood context was the most important source of the gap reduction, and constitutional differences the least important.

Whatever the ultimate validity of the constitutional difference argument, the main conclusion is that its efficacy as an explainer of race and violence is weak.

TL;DR: It's a matter of socio-economic circumstances, not race. Not all poverty is equal.

[–]RedditsRagingId -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Males are less than half the population, but commit 99% of rapes. How does this make you redditors feel?

[–]oldknave 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am fairly confident the only source you used to come up with that statistic was "your ass."

[–]dope-as-heck -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It makes me feel like whoever made it has an agenda and a poor grasp of social science.

[–]Antioch_lol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It would be interesting to see the what the true murder rate for African-Americans are, which is much higher due to their anti-snitching culture. How many unsolved murders go down in the hood?

[–]cheryltost 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there's one thing the Wire has taught us, its that the no-snitching attitude had ruined Baltimore.

Marlo killed anyone who so much as smiled at a cop.

[–]selfish_liberal -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And still whites cause more devastation globally than all other races combined. Last i remembered, it wasnt blacks who ruined the economy. It wasnt blacks that caused widespread unemployment. It wasnt blacks that bankrupted this country. And it wasnt blacks that made nascar popular.

[–]Lord_Wrath -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah too bad Blacks are also substantially poorer than whites. Oh wow it's almost like being in poor, drug/crime addled communities would result in disproportionate statistics! Imagine that! Also, your statistics are also heavily twisted to suite your bias. For example, what percentage of major school shootings have been perpetrated by Blacks? Exactly. Crime comes from poverty; not from racist, stereotyped bullshit that assumes African-Americans are violent beasts.