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[–]SomberPony 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (38子コメント)

And I wonder who you'll blame when I finish and people don't move on to other stories.

I have no control over who does and doesn't read me. I have no control over the popularity of other stories. I don't read other stories, so I can't plug them, and the few I know about I've mentioned when and as I can. I've done what I can to try and get other stories attention and it's not my fault if they don't get eyeballs on the page. I'm also not sorry that people do like my story. I want as many people to read it as possible. And blaming me and my story for reading trends is cheap. People read Horizons because they like it. They read MN7 because they like it. So maybe they're not reading your story because they don't like it?

If you want to be read, do better than me. It's not hard.

[–]KrootLoopsFallout Equestria: Outlaw 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Or--now work with me on this--or it has nothing to do with whether or not people actually like the story. Maybe it has to do with the fact that people will only invest time into what they know to be a sure thing.

With stories like the Big 5 constantly getting more views/art/discussion in one massive feedback loop, no one ever sees any reason to expand their library outside of them. Only a small percentage of people who aren't content with just a few stories sift through the 2k+ sidefics to try and find the diamonds in the rough. Why would someone without a lot of time on their hands bother with a story that could be shit? Better to stick with the ones everyone is reading. EqD is also a massive boon to the aspiring writer, and their ban on featuring FoE fics has made it significantly more difficult to gain traction.

Fuzzy gained massive popularity despite lacking an EqD feature because his story is unbelievably well thought out and brilliantly executed. However, Fuzzy is the exception to the rule. There are plenty of well-written stories out there that go unnoticed because people either don't want to take a gamble on a story with no fandom presence, or they're plain gathering the wrong readers. Some readers are vocal, they talk about what they're reading, word of mouth spreads and popularity grows. The same can be said of artists who draw fanart of stories they like and follow.

If you're not pulling in just the right fans, you're not going to gain much traction until or unless you, Fuzzy or No One finish your stories.

[–]4fffs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"Maybe you all are shit at writing" -Somber

[–]SomberPony -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I did not say that and would not say that. I said that I don't have control over if you are read or not, and that I am tired for being the scapegoat for why other fics don't get read.

[–]4fffs 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"So maybe they're not reading your story because they don't like it? If you want to be read, do better than me. It's not hard."

You totally did just suggest that others are untalented compared to your unending glory as an excuse for everything other that PH whilting and dying, sooo good for you, on your highhorse.

[–]Hnetu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (28子コメント)

I'll assign blame where blame is due, as I always have. I know you don't have control over it. The only way you could feasably 'control' who can and can't read it is if you removed it from the internet all together. That's literally the only way you could police anyone personally on whether they have access. I'm not fucking stupid. That said, you benefited greatly from 1; being early at starting, 2; having good technical skills at your craft, while I think your plot has about as much intrigue now-a-days as a Seth MacFarlane-tier expy-filled shonen anime filled with copy/pastes of pop culture scenes, words for word, you are able to write great descriptions that paint a detailed image of what's going on in there in your readers heads, and 3; getting on EqD, and don't you dare tell me (or anyone else )that it didn't help your popularity. You filled a void for readers who wanted something darker and by now, most people are quite heavily invested, to the point that even some who think the story's quality has dropped to terribly low levels are still reading because they want to know how the story ends, thanks to that strong investment they gained through the earlier less batshit-crazy over the top chapters when it hadn't yet become a mockery of what it once was.

I can completely understand that you want people to read it, else you wouldn't write it. That's not what I fault you with. Hell, I don't actually fault you with anything on it, aside from letting your plotline get away from you by letting your editors curtail how things go, and end up being a bunch of yes-men who allow you to write stuff on the basis of "IT'S SO COOL!" without having someone responsible there to smack you upside the head and demand to know exactly how it fits in the universe you're writing in. I wouldn't expect you to say "Sorry, I made something people like." because that's fucking stupid. But you do write everything and overshadow everyone. Project Horizons has become something of a walking trope book. If it's a common sci fi or fantasy trope, you do it. As I say in another response, people generally read PH second because (as was pointed out by others) has a massively positive feedback loop. People read PH, they discuss it and draw it, new people see that and want to know what it is, they want to join the discussion. They read it, then discuss it, draw it, and it continues. Because you have one of the best exposures there is. Even without having it on fimfic to count views, just having it's own page on Equestria Daily is a massive boon. (And again; I'm aware it's not personally your fault that it does or that they changed their rulings because of 'reasons'.) So when people read PH, and get to say... the chapters where Blackjack becomes a massively out-of-place cyborg? Either they'll go SO COOL and nothing else can compare (to the point of accusing other stories of stealing the idea) or they'll have the exact opposite reaction and read another story and go 'ugh, fucking cybernetics again. Can't authors do anything else'

But hey, despite the fact that you got in on the ground floor thus making your story the go-to 'second FOE' that's been around long enough everyone seems to head straight for it after finishing the story story. Despite that you have a massive feedback loop that encourages people to read your story before (or at the expense of) everyone else's. Despite that you have your own page that funnels in people thanks to not burying you under a few thousand other FOE stories that seem to get started and then peter out because the writers get no exposure, no readers, and are given no incentive to continue. Despite your raving fanbase who will most likely delete this post because any and all critique of the story, and whatever flaws people might have as opinions that we should be allowed to discuss being shrieked at as "SHAMING!" It all comes down to (and I'll put this in simpler terms, since we can all read between the lines on what you mean) "You suck as a writer, write things people like." ~Somber, 2015 (with that added bit of trademark self depreciation at the end, of course!)

I'll keep that in fucking mind.

[–]SomberPony 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Yeah! My story has gotten a lot of help. I got extremely lucky. If I hadn't gotten singled out of EQD, I probably would have given up a long time ago. But I am sick and tired of people blaming my story as if I'm adding in the editor's notes "Don't read other stories." And I have no idea why people don't read yours, only that they don't, and you want to blame me. And I have to wonder, when Horizons is done, who are you going to blame next? MN7? Heroes? "Oh, damn them, they wrote all the suffering first! People accuse me of ripping them off."

Grow up. This is something EVERY writer deals with, in fanfiction and out, and envy doesn't help you or your writing. Write better. Write more. Post and promote yourself. Every reader you get, thank them and ask them to spread the word of your story to others. Stop whining and blaming me for things I have no control over. I know you wouldn't tolerate it for a SECOND if you were in my place.

[–]4fffs 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Orrr, maybe after horizons is done people will actually start being a community again and write, create and read in a normal undominated market and noone will need to be blamed at all.

did you ever fucking consider that as a possibility?

no, of course you didnt, because you are an entitled little brat who thinks everything is as it should be and who thinks that when horizons is done all those readers and artists will just dissappear rather than move to other stories.

Your ego must be bigger than your wordcount.

[–]Hnetu 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

PH has become the Walmart of FOE stories. It's a one-stop-shop for everything horse-gun-wasteland related.

You want guns? We got so many unique guns you can't remember them all.

You want sexual tension? Oh man, there's so many fuckings going on I can't remember who loves who! WHO'S THE BABY DADDY!

You want shootouts? We have drunken horse castrating others! We got magical nonsense! We got cosmoguns that never run outta ammo!

You want angst? We got War stories that'll make vets tear up and salute!

You want intrigue? How about a shadow government controlling everything from... gasp. THE SHADOWS?!

Why the FUCK go anywhere else when we've got everything at Discount Horse Wastelanderia? You don't need to stop at the Mom and Pop stores, we're conveniently located RIGHT OFF THE HIGHWAY BLOCKING THE ROAD TO ANYWHERE ELSE!

C'mon by today, we'll throw in a free sob story!

[–]modmatarael -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Good gods you people are self-entitled. Look at this from a similar perspective, within the same community. And the same sub-community. There's a lot of artists out there. Many of whom don't receive much attention due to the popular, prominent artists out there. Their work may not be as quality, and thus they get overshadowed rather quickly. This problem is compounded when brought up in the FoE subfandom. Very few artists are known for FoE, because the popular ones are the only ones who ever get the attention. Get over yourselves, keep practicing, study writing techniques, take a college class, anything. Get BETTER. Keep working at it. Dont just bitch and moan that "Oh gods, Somber's writing is ruining us, because nobody pays attention to our work." There are quite a few other FoE sidefics that have a large amount of attention too. Heroes, Pink Eyes, Starlight, etc. If you really want PH to stop being a problem, don't whine about it. Become better. Make something worth challenging it. Like Somber said, there are a lot of readers that dont like PH. Show your story to them. If they dont like yours either, perhaps it's not because Somber's stolen the limelight. Maybe it's because you need to work on your writing, and improve.

[–]Hnetu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Ah, and here we see the glorious echo, coming in to repeat things already addressed or debunked. Amazing, it's like you read what he said and repeated them almost exactly.

"Waaahhh, it's not HIS FAULT! You just suck!"

I'm not going to bother giving an exact response to every point because, dammit I'm tired and I want to work on my story rather than beating a dead fucking horse when others come to play sounding board. You're not a choir, stop repeating things. No one has shrieked that "It's all Somber's fault!" because that's a massive oversimplification of the problem. It's a facet of it, and the fact that PH has become a one stop shop for everything Wasteland horse related is only a part of it.

You mention Heroes and Pink Eyes? Funny, those both have their own EqD page, their own fanbase, a myriad of art, and one even has a print run. Hell, one of them is a finished story. But Starlight? Now that's a name I've not heard in a long time. It started, and finished, without so much as a blink from the community at large. The author even went on to work on other stories, yet I personally never see or hear of discussion about it. It's almost as if the vast majority of people not a part of our insular (yet fragmented) community only ever get exposure to the biggest few stories thanks to the fact that they have front row seats on EqD, the wiki, and the discussion boards that float around. But here's the thing, none of them are all encompassing, never ending, do everything colossal behemoths like PH has become.

There's never been a discussion in this about the people who truly love it and want to read everything. We're talking about those who read the biggest that's put in front of them and let it be the end-all be-all of FOE because it's so incredibly over the top that it does damn near every major sci fi and fantasy trope out there. Where someone can come up with a cool idea and then see that, shit, it's already been done. So your choice is either to accept it, as many do; given how many stories just stop. And don't you dare tell me that no one is dedicated, because the people that are a part of the subfandom have shown time and again that given the choice, when they're not being choked out, that they'll create some great things. So how fucking DARE YOU imply that everyone else, especially someone like me (being that I'm one of the loudest voices in this particular little spat) isn't trying.

I've taken PH as a personal fucking affront to justice and decided that I'll take the shit that I want and write it better. I'll take my time to come up with a good reason for things to exist that fit within the lore and continuity of the universe we've been fucking provided with. Because I can do it better. But I can write a fucking masterpiece all I want, but if no one reads it, does it really count? Does it matter if I spent hours agonizing over something rather than going OH MY GOD THIS IS COOL and slap words on paper then cry when someone tells me to change it because it doesn't make sense? Because I've helped with editing that leviathan (and kept Blackjack from personally interfering and ruining another major canon moment in the death of the Goddess.) And I can tell you that it's a goddamn circus when editing that thing. But if no one gives a goddamn chance to anything else because they're already invested in something else?

Does it matter if I write better? Does it matter if I know not to make a story do everything, and instead stick to it's core message? Is it still art if no one can view it?

Christ, it's like someone put on a goddamn recording. "Do better" I'm so sick of that phrase, because it doesn't mean shit. It's basically saying "Win the lottery." Well, great shit. I'll just go magically do that. Because the power of positive thinking will fix everything, of course!

All this is is a tu quoque argument. "Your thoughts on this aren't valid, because you suck!" You're repeating the fact that the market isn't flooded by one colossal pile of words encompassing everything that gets tons of preferrential treatment, positive (and negative [but remember, there's no such thing as bad publicity!]) feedback loops, it's own special EqD page, it's own emotes, wiki pages, and more art than pretty much every non Big 5 story combined! No! Instead, it's simply because other writers just aren't good enough.

[–]HeartshineFilly 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think the thing that got you writing in the first place was because of stories. There are stories that you want to tell, and stories that need to be told. I think it's wonderful that, even if it makes you mad, competition from stories like PH does give you a drive to keep writing. Something that I think you considered stopping 2 years ago, Hnetu. Is PH huge? Yes. Does it use a lot of tropes that other stories would have liked to explore? Yes. But you still have a story worth telling. What modmatereal seems to be suggesting is that you keep going in spite of it all. Might as well do keep doing that, because then you are at least still telling your story. Telling the stories that you want to tell. Because people are reading it, even if they don't talk about it as openly as they do about PH.

[–]Hnetu 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As much as I've wanted to quit because it feels there's no point in pursuing anything, I'm still writing. As I've just put out a chapter a few days ago. None of this changes the fact that, as I've said many times, a ton of things have contributed to the fact that certain stories are given preferential treatment, and the path to success. It's the difference between someone born in a poor family vs someone born in a rich family and seeing which one has an easier time getting through college and then into a well paying career. We both know which one gets further in life easier, and which has to beg, borrow, steal, and claw their way up to maybe see results.

That said, you'll have to excuse my bitterness toward taking your advice, given how much I tried to help you with your exploration of yourself and tried to offer advice to grow as a person (and no I'm not going to drag the specifics of it out in public because they're personal) but in the end... You left. You disappeared, and I'm remiss to take advice of someone who takes that help and then abandons the people who tried to steer them toward safe and responsible venues of said desire for personal growth.

[–]modmatarael -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I enjoy the fact that you decided to completely skip over the points where I offered HOW to generate more readers. Sell your story. Get attention by actually talking to people! Promote! It's truly not a difficult venture to do. Stop fucking crying and actually go out and tell people about it. People will log into places like the FoE IRC(A place you're shunned from, or so I've heard) and ask about stories. And they get offered a myriad of them. PH often isnt mentioned. Yes, that's because nearly everyone knows about it. By the readers who like it and tell everyone. So go out there and tell people about it! Show them your story, advertise it! You claim it's a market. You claim your product is better. If that's true, then getting it known, maybe slowly at first, will fix the problem you're being so obnoxiously loud about. Eventually more people will be reading, and more, as they promote it to their friends. See how that works? Of course you dont.

[–]Hnetu 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you not see the link, in this very subreddit, posted just the other day, advertising that there's a new chapter of my very own story posted right now? Or that I've posted it elsewhere? Pretty much the only place I don't talk about it is the main IRC channel because of said shunning.

Aside from my spat of rage at Somber releasing/revealing/whatever an idea I had planned and we had discussed in his very next chapter back over a year ago, I've been quiet and let the story have it's popularity despite my not enjoying what it became, or the bloating Simpson's-like 'do everything' plot lines it's developed. While yes, I've thought it was over blown and given preferential treament, I've done my best to let it runs it's course. It's a shame that it's course ends with things like... 38 out of the total 59 emotes that we have here on the subreddit. And given that only 3 belong to MN7 or StableQuest... It actually has more than Fallout Equestria.

Do we not see a problem with how overblown it is?! Is it not possible for anyone else's stories to get even the barest of scraps left over?

I don't think it's asking too much for that.

[–]4fffs 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"You are being overshadowed because Somber is just better than you" is what you are saying here.

You seriously, honestly believe that Somber receives market domination proportional to his skill compared to everyone else?

What conservative fairy tale are you preaching from where really really hard work, determination and jedi-like skill will result in reward? Do I need to remind you of fucking VHS vs Betamax? Betamax was the superior format, did it succeed? NO. Why not? oh some little imaginary thing called the fucking market that you will do anything in your power to erase in order to defend one and only one writer, somber.

[–]modmatarael -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I offered a solution to the overshadowing thing. Find the places where his story isnt liked, and promote there. It is a market, yes. So advertise! Update regularly! Talk to people, do some networking! The solutions to gaining more readers(and thus more popularity) is staring you in the face. You're just too upset and busy whining to actually go out and do it. Instead, it's easier to just blame Somber. What about the other stories that are well known as well? Are they to blame too? Or is it just because Somber is number two on the list? Appeal to the fucking market instead of just whining about it. Yeah, his story has everything. Just like Wal-Mart. But yknow what? Other stores sell shit too. And if their product is better, plenty of people who dont like Wal-Mart will go there instead. Do that. Sell better. Become a bigger competitor through WORK(Scary, I know.) Stop whining.

[–]4fffs 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hows the employment situation going over there? Are you proving your superiority to cheap chinese labor?

Oh btw from what I can see in this thread, everything exploded only when somber himself came in and pronounced "If you are being overshadowed by PH its because you are talentless hacks who dont deserve attention"

So who is really turning this into a shitslapping contest? The people commenting on actual observed market trends, and actual special consideration and bias given to PH, or the "You are just jealous, there are no trends, this is how it is supposed to be and is entirely meritorial, its all a conspiracy against somber and has nothing to do PH being the one and only 5 bible thick soapopera that just keeps coming, that is utterly uncomparable to Heroes, Pink Eyes or Starlight" neo conservative drones who preach and preach about the free market but bitch their asses out and attack people when the market talks back?

Hope you don't want to compete with the chinese for work, or maybe I do. Sorry I pissed off your sensibilities by calling out the market as it is, dominated by one single story that is 5 times longer than it should be, that if it were 5 smaller stories would not be any issue.

And you wonder why artists and writers are just leaving, I guess thats what the market and community wants right? Less community, more somber circlejerk.

The fact that we are having this discussion AT ALL is proof the problem exists and all any of you do is deny the problem exists, accuse everyone of being without merit, and admonish Somber of any connection to the downturn of the community.

You dont even have to condemn him, all you would have to do is fucking admit its happening.

good fucking bye

[–]Hnetu 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You're being hyperbolic, and it doesn't help. Given the modicum of composure I've tried to have, in proving repeatedly that I don't hold you accountable as a person or a writer for purposefully digging your heels in to keep readers from seeking out other stories to read, the fact that you'll jump right back onto that argument. It says a lot about the single-mindedness of it all. I answered your question already. I will place blame where blame is due, as I always have. Whether that be your story, the shitty decision of Equestria Daily to change their policies yet allow old things that break those policies to be grandfathered in and still easily capable of being found, or something else that becomes so massive it blots everything else out.

It's a well known fact that we're quite a saturated fandom for how small and insular (despite the massive fragmentation) we are, and that most of the people who read the original story are drawn in to add more to it, much like they are with the world of MLP:FIM in general. A well-built world that leaves plenty open will do that, with plenty of locations mentioned and never visited, allowing for pockets of civilization to pop up and hey, maybe 'my new oc can live there!' leads to lots of people wanting to create content.

That said, there's a huge difference between something tonal, like the 'light at the end of the tunnel' theme that ran th rough FOE, or the ... whatever PH's message has become with it's parallels of being a Messiah, and retconning what was established, and the myriad of unnecessary sex and "SO COOL" moments that added nothing but a copy/paste out of some pop culture icon that didn't quite fit into the story and was glaringly out of place, not to mention the millions of specific little subplots, and... say... 'Life is hard, we have to survive.' "Oh no, someone wrote a Big Damn Heroes story! I guess no one can ever do that again!" is also hyperbolic and so narrow-minded as to miss the entire point. The fact of the matter is that your story has become the Simpsons of FOE, where anything that can be done has been done.

Saying grow up, at the same time whining like a child because you can't understand the fact that there are only so many people who are willing to read a story that's 600,000 words long, then move on to one easily twice that, and still want more. People get their fix and move on, and as we've seen in this very thread there's people who aren't willing to spend the time sifting through the rough to find diamonds. And those that do seem to have these unrealistic expectations. I've seen it myself, where amateur writers (like both you and I) are chrewed up and spit out because their writing isn't oh so perfect. This isn't envy, Somber, not for what PH has. Sure, I desire a stronger readership. That's why I put myself out there and post links; here, Tumblr, the compilation doc, I link it to friends when I finish. But just as you can't force people not to read it, I cannot force people to.

Write better? I already do. I don't write by the seat of my pants and add stuff because it's SO COOL, copying and pasting with the frequency of Shia LaBeouf. I take the time to figure out how I can add an idea I want, and if it's a bad one I scrap it. I don't have editors who spend two goddamn hours arguing about clouds and don't know how to move on to make an efficient team, while practically masturbating to unnecessarily detailed gore on the sideline comments of a rough draft. I have editors who will tell me when something doesn't make any goddamn sense and not leave me alone until I CHANGE IT. I appreciate every person that looks at my story. I appreciate every piece of art, every comment, every second of it.

I don't tolerate this shit from anyone, least of all YOU. This isn't whining. This is rage. Because no matter how hard I fucking try, no matter how much I slave over something, guess what. Someone who let their shit get away from them, someone who let their COOL IDEAS(tm) dictate where the plot should go instead of realizing that sometimes going big can be too big. They get a raving band of fans who will terrorize and ostracize anyone who doesn't worship the ground you walk on.

Know what I want? I want the story to finish, to have a good ending that's not bullshit over the top copied and pasted from this season's newest hardcore shonen anime. And I want to see someone else take the fucking spotlight.

Even if it's not me.

[–]sk2150ad 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

You had the control to finish your story 50 chapters ago.

EVERY writer? EVERY writer has to deal with you saturating their market? What single story exactly to YOU have siphoning away your readers?

[–]SomberPony 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

You'd have to go to 4chan and ask them. Shouldn't be hard. Just look for people saying "PH is shit after chapter _____" and you can find out what they moved on to when they quit Horizons.

I'd be interested in the response you get.

And they're not my readers. I don't own them. They're readers who, for whatever reason, like and follow and support Horizons. I don't steal readers from anyone. Readers come to my story, often through EQD, but also because of Google. I've gotten extremely lucky, but I've lost lots of readers who burned out, turned off, or moved on. And that's on me. I have no one to blame but me. I don't think Heroes or MN7 or Starlight has taken my readers, because they're not mine. They're readers, and I'm not going to be bitter if they move on.

[–]4fffs 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (10子コメント)

All the entitled fuck.

"Walmart bargain megacenters have no relationship or impact on small businesses closing in small niche towns."

The answer btw is that there is no story that can detract from PH or compete or draw readers either to or from. You cling to the idea that just because you've won and noone can harm you that you therefore cannot harm anyone. Are you a goddamn child?

Yknow what else Ive noticed? You people immediately deny, deflect, or attack anyone who claims, and provides reasoning that PH is causing harm to the community. But not one damn one of you is able to disprove the claim, not one of you is able to prove that the absence of PH would result in absolutely no change to the readership of other stories.

Please, do tell, how the almighty PH, specially privileged with its own areas on EQD, the wiki, the forum, our own goddamn sidebar and elsewhere, the unreasonably and unnecessarily biggest and unreasonably and unnecessarily longest running and unreasonably and unnecessarily all encompassing fic in not just this community but any community- is not affecting in any way the attention and engagement of the community.

Because it sounds an awful lot like content creators and quitting because of you, it sounds like people are leaving the FOE fandom because its 90% PH worship, it sounds like people are disenfranchised that 2 colorswapped pieces of art have been made, but only the one that corresponds to a PH character gets posted here.

That sounds like an awful lot of things caused by you, about you, to somehow in your religious beliefs actually not be caused by you and your choice to milk the fucking cow to death rather than finish one damn story and write several others and exploit your established market share.

When the obese special snowflake with hygiene problems and who is immune to all criticism or discussion takes up more than half the damn pool, other people dont want to be in the pool anymore.

[–]Hnetu 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are like, my hero. But you forgot one thing...

The subreddit's emotes! We should all take a good hard look at them and see just how many belong to PH. Sure there's FOE ones; it's the Fallout Equestria subreddit. BUt there's all of two from StableQuest and one Murky one that I can see. Who do we see as all the rest? A certain red and black cybernetically over the top alicorn.

[–]SomberPony -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Whatever. I've got a story to write. And when I'm done, I'll have another to write after it. And another after that.

[–]4fffs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Exactly this, storm off rather than acknowledge others might have legitimate grievances because of your work.

It's CHEAP to just storm off when challenged to actually demonstrate that people's grievances are, as you and your supporters continuously say 'bogus jealous crybabying'.

Good, hurry up and finish, write other stories, like you should have done with PH (but didnt thus creating ALL THIS FUCKING PROBLEM)

I will eat a hat knitted from wasteland dag-encrusted pony tails and smegma if all your stories separately add up to the fame, focus and recognition of Paris fucking Hilton.

[–]SomberPony 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Your 'grievances' can be boiled down to one word: envy.

Now, if you don't mind, I need to write.

[–]KaiserVonIkapocPipbuck Technician 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

And like this I lost pretty much any sympathy I've had for you. Fuck you.

[–]ValissaSurana 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'm a long-time FoE reader. I read a lot of these stories; catching a Horizons chapter when it comes out (which is about once every month and a half, currently) doesn't stop me from reading other stories. I even had yours - Treasure Hunting, right? - in the to-read list. But I think I'll remove it now, though.

[–]Hnetu 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

'Kay.

[–]SevenCell -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

This thread makes me sick. I haven't read more than the first few chapters of PH (I'll get on it once I have a month of solid free time), but nothing warrants this kind of witch hunt.

It's absolutely not your fault if people read your story and not others (it's strange how no-one here seems bothered how many people read the original FoE and never try the sidefics at all), and to be honest, I don't think it overshadows the others in the first place. Look at Wasteland Economics, look at Bouquet, look at Anywhere But Here. I can't judge if they're better than you, but they're pretty damn good, and they're gaining attention.

I'm really happy for you that something you've created can have lasted so long.

[–]4fffs 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

to be a witch hunt there would have to be no demonstrated merit to the claim that PH is choking competitors out of the community.

I'm not seeing anyone demonstrating that the grievances aired here are baseless or that the situation in the community is being misrepresented.

In fact what I am seeing here is PH apologists including Somber himself attacking the people with those grievances, insinuating that perhaps everyone is just jealous and talentless. I see somber telling another writer specifically to not write so shit, as though IF ONLY someone could be as awesome as somber they would automatically be as popular and no other factors influence it other than the personal fucking worth of the writer, which evidently compared to somber we are all grovelling talentless insects

[–]sk2150ad 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

"blaming me and my story for reading trends is cheap."

People like PH because it's cheap, it's endless bulk covering all possible interests that you only have to invest in once. It goes on forever, and attracts readers in part because they know it wont be abandoned and also because it's the most famous sidefic.

Why is it the most famous sidefic? Because it's huge, it's always got a new chapter, it's famous because it's always in the 'new releases' pile and it's cheaper than offbrand chinese bulk ramen.

PH is like Paris Hilton, famous just for being there, often.

Now given your history, Somber, of being emotional, depressed, and having low self-esteem, does it seem reasonable that you consciously decided to inflate your story once you started benefiting from it to bask in its glory for as long as possible chapter after chapter? Doesn't it seem odd that the person who suicidally freaks out at the smallest criticism also coincidentally just keeps writing and writing and writing the longest never ending story that is only popular because of its own immense and continuing bulk?

I think it stopped being about the story a long time ago, and started being about the spotlight, and this thread shows how much your gluttony has ended up hurting the community, and yet you just turn around and say "be as famous as Paris Hilton, it's not my fault I kept writing to be famous until there was no interest left anywhere else."

You've got a real nerve with your 'maybe she was asking for it' attitude. PH, and along with it, your fame cannot end fast enough.

edit: typo

[–]SomberPony -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No actually. My story's "inflation" is the result of me being a shitty writer. I had ideas for how the story was going to end. I wanted Blackjack to fail on the moon. I wanted the Core to fight for its very survival. I wanted a final epic show down where determined good overcomes ancient and implacable evil. An absolution of original sin. I wanted to tell stories of loyalty versus blind subservience. I wanted to tell about sacrifice and overcoming adversity. And I told all these stories in the SAME DAMN STORY.

So you don't like it? Fine. There's lots not to like. I don't know why anyone reads it at all. I don't know why people cry when my characters die, or draw art of them, or do any of that. I'm just thankful they do. And blaming me for getting that because you don't is cheap. It does nothing to better your writing, and does everything to discourage people from the FoE fandom at all.

[–]sk2150ad 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Keep on denying that you mammoth, attention drawing omibus causes a lack of interest in either seeking out or creating other works in this community. Other people who stand to gain also deny things like atmospheric carbon content causing global temperature change.

If you wanna apologize for hogging the spotlight for a thousand years rather than ending your damn story then go right ahead, but if you want to deny that anyone has been wronged by your self-indulgent career of saturation then you can go choke on a big bag of your clearly godlike merit.

Yes yes yes, clearly you are that much better than everyone else and rightly deserve the proportion of attention and interest you have fostered by choosing to continue to write year in and year out.

You are just that special, everyone else is crying because they are so much beneath you in talent and skill, yes thats totally it, I mean you said it and you can't be wrong because of how awesome you are.

Its funny how you keep saying you are thankful that you get attention, I wonder if any of the thousand other writers will get to feel that someday.