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[–]Throwaway4Censorship -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (14子コメント)

A 'conspiracy theorist' is nothing more than a person speculating. "Theorists" do not deal in fact, they deal in speculation of potential fact.

I can be a conspiracy theorist and theorize that all shoe companies are trying to keep our natural human bodies from touching the earth, because the earth gives us power when we touch it with our bare feet.

That's a conspiracy theory. Stupid sounding one, but that's what it is. Should we all throw our shoes at the local Payless and protest Foot Locker because of my theory? Of course not.

So what can we do about my theory? Basically, point and laugh. If I'm not willing to test my theory myself and evidence that it is true, how can I expect anyone else to do it for me?

Theory is an appropriate thing to hate when you're talking about crime and punishment. We shouldn't punish people based on speculation, and in fact, in this country we don't. Considering the type of conspiracies asserted (rape coverups, pedophilia coverups, murder coverups, etc etc etc), I'm assuming the end-goal must be to bring justice to the wrong-doers, right?? Well to do that we need evidence, not pitchforks.

We don't allow speculation in a court room: We shouldn't allow it in the court of public opinion. Speculate to yourselves all you like, but don't expect anyone to take you seriously until you provide hard evidence. Otherwise you're no different than a child with an imaginary friend, spinning wild stories in your head.

But evidence it and at that point you won't be a theorist any more. You're not dealing in speculation then, you're dealing in evidenced fact.

You'll have evidenced an actual conspiracy. Hence the name of the sub. And doing so is much more difficult than just asserting that a conspiracy exists. Look at the 'disappeared protester' posts in /r/conspiracy. That kind of bollocks gets upvoted, even though it's well known that he's safe and sound. Because it sounds juicy. That's why /r/conspiracy gets made fun of so much. You guys are the old man in the back of the room saying "what about this?!" when the answer is up on the whiteboard. If it's something you don't agree with, "they must be in on the conspiracy". Queue the paranoia and X-Files music.

It's also incredibly ironic that you look down on that as a 'circlejerk' while at the same time, you're just participating in a meta-circlejerk here and now. What does OP's post have anything to do with /r/conspiracy or conspiracies as you know it in general? Nothing. It's simply pointing out a group that is opposed to you, so thus, you're opposed to them. That's a circlejerk, definitively. We also call this a feedback loop in polite conversation.

Feedback loops are used to great effect by Conspiracy Inc and /r/Conspiracy alike. Again, what does OP's post here have anything to do with a conspiracy? Nothing. It's propaganda and rabblerousing, you just happen to agree with it. That's part of the loop: it keeps those who kind of agree moving towards fully agree. And that's where the racism undertones come into play: If you kind of agree that there's a global cabal of international bankers and businessmen pushing the world to a slave-state, then you're not far off from saying "... and it's run by the Jews". In a nutshell, that's the issue that reddit has with /r/conspiracy. It's been co-opted by racists with an agenda, because conspiracy believers are quick to believe anything if it's juicy enough.

[–]KingContext 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So, while ranting about and "hating" conspiracy theorists daily, you fellas turn right around and spew conspiracy theories about a grand "racist" agenda. Jebus...

[–]George_Tenet[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

it should be conspiracy speculator, or conspiracy hypothesizer

but it doesnt have that alliteration to it

what does OP's post here have anything to do with a conspiracy? Nothing. It's propaganda and rabblerousing

i could say that there is a conspiracy behind the sub r/actualconspiracies, and that it is done to act as a gatekeeping entity and show people mild conspiracies

It's been co-opted by racists with an agenda, because conspiracy believers are quick to believe anything if it's juicy enough.

you make a good post until the end

It's been co-opted by racists with an agenda, because conspiracy believers are quick to believe anything if it's juicy enough.

co opted by racists? lol. so, racists control a sub with 300,000 subscribers? cute

stop trying to make it seem like a sub reddit is a single coherent voice

[–]Throwaway4Censorship -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

i could say that there is a conspiracy behind the sub r/actualconspiracies, and that it is done to act as a gatekeeping entity and show people mild conspiracies

I almost called you out by name: You sir, are one of the worst offenders when it comes to feeding energy into the feedback loop, and this is a perfect example.

You're asserting that since they're opposed to you, they must be in on it.

Tinfoil Theories 101: Present a conspiracy theory, if someone opposes it, assert that they too are 'in on it' and hold that as evidence of the conspiracy theory.

That's a hattrick. Not evidence. Not fact. Not scientific in the least.

Also, I don't intend to mean that racists control /r/Conspiracy. Far from it; they use /r/Conspiracy to nudge people towards their way of thinking. That's done because of the kind of user /r/Conspiracy has: Gullible and easy-to-influence. They know you they * just have to associate their racism to a conspiracy theory that sounds juicy, and mission accomplished: Non-racists will begin agreeing with racist ideas. They don't need to control anything: The mods of /r/conspiracy give their racism a pass already under the guise of 'free speech' and speculative theory.

All I'm trying to do is sensitize /r/Conspiracy users to that effect so they aren't being unwitting bigots.

[–]KingContext 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not scientific in the least.

Ah ha, here's your problem. You guys actively cultivate the delusion that people conspiring has anything to do with science or the scientific method. You think that your belief system is under attack somehow whenever people express distrust of authority, which in and of itself is pretty revealing.

[–]Throwaway4Censorship -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

If your goal is to bring to justice the criminals responsible for any given conspiracy, then evidence backed by the scientific method is absolutely required. Courts don't convict based on hearsay. Courts don't convict based on rhetoric.

You called me a 'smearmonger'. If what I'm smearing is a mob of uneducated fearmongers wielding metaphorical pitchforks on the internet, and I think it is, then I'm proud to be one, thanks. That's all your type is: Fearmongers. Idiots wearing the brand Conspiracy Inc, doing free advertising for smarter fearmongers who figured out how to profit off fear long ago.

[–]muh_holocawst 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If your goal is to bring to justice the criminals responsible for any given conspiracy, then evidence backed by the scientific method is absolutely required. Courts don't convict based on hearsay. Courts don't convict based on rhetoric.

Well gosh, someone better dig up Timothy McVeigh and bring him back to life and apologize, considering his conviction was primarily based on circumstantial evidence, and not "evidence backed by the scientific method".

In all seriousness, you can stop talking out of your ass already. You aren't convincing any of us "uneducated" people with your uneducated claims.

A popular misconception is that circumstantial evidence is less valid or less important than direct evidence. This is only partly true: direct evidence is popularly, but mistakenly, considered more powerful. Many successful criminal prosecutions rely largely or entirely on circumstantial evidence, and civil charges are frequently based on circumstantial or indirect evidence. Much of the evidence against convicted American bomber Timothy McVeigh was circumstantial, for example. Speaking about McVeigh's trial, University of Michigan law professor Robert Precht said, "Circumstantial evidence can be, and often is much more powerful than direct evidence." The 2004 murder trial of Scott Peterson was another high-profile conviction based heavily on circumstantial evidence. wiki

You were saying something about how "evidence backed by the scientific method" is "absolutely required" to bring to justice criminals involved in "any given conspiracy"? That's cute. Shame the justice system and courts would not agree with you. Neither will anyone with actual knowledge.

[–]Throwaway4Censorship 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The difference being that these cases you bring up are using an overabundance of circumstantial evidence.

You people provide only a shred and build a mountain of speculation atop it. Don't pretend you hold yourselves to the same standards that courts do; you provably do not.

[–]KingContext 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Courts don't convict based on hearsay. Courts don't convict based on rhetoric.

Don't tell all the lawyers!

Fearmongers.

You are part of a campaign to make people afraid to post here lest they be given the stigmatizing label "racist". You even use a sockpuppet because you apparently believe your own bullshit. ಠ_ಠ

All the while you are in this thread acting in defense of a self-described hate group. You guys are all twisted in knots.

[–]Throwaway4Censorship -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm an individual acting on A) A want to waste time at work and B) a passion against fearmongers.

I use a sockpuppet because I don't care for my main to be tarnished by these conversations. Because your group is toxic. It's not like I'm trying to hide anything.

Regarding this 'hate group' that seems to have sprung up around the line on a subreddit's sidebar: Hate isn't an inherently bad thing. I hate people who would defend rapists, murderers, and thugs. I hate racists. I hate people who try to force their way of thinking on those who want nothing to do with it. I'm certain you could agree with at least some of those statements. If not you're either not being honest, or you're actually a terrible person.

And I know you hate the shadowy cabals you think run the world.

Calling people like me '[defenders of] a self-described hate group' is completely ridiculous.

A 'hate group' is "A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society".

Again: I'm an individual, acting alone, preaching reason and rationality. While I'm defending the /r/actualconspiracies subreddit, I myself have asked the mods to remove those links to /r/conspiracyisracist and other irrelevant subs. I'd link to where I did that (and successfully got some removed), but again: I don't care to endure the brigading on my main account.

I'm also not being vitriolic, I'm not being hostile, nor did I ever advocate violence.

You're grasping at hair-thin straws. But hey, I'm not going as far as labeling yours as a 'hate group'. Just a group with a bigger-than-usual ratio of racists to non-racists.

[–]George_Tenet[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Lol

[–]Throwaway4Censorship -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's some reply to a well worded rebuttal. Typical.