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This is blasphemy. (imgur.com)
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[–]ChasePanic 66 ポイント67 ポイント68 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
So I guess it's really Adam and Steve after all.
[–]Emperosabi 39 ポイント40 ポイント41 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
More like blocksphemy. Ey? No, just me?
[–]defiler86 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X_Ot0k4XJc
[–]The_Grubgrub 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Aha. Ahahaha. Made me giggle.
[–]siame 196 ポイント197 ポイント198 ポイント 3 時間 前 (69子コメント)
I am not a fan of religion but I see no reason why anyone would have any issue with this.
[–]mchief 82 ポイント83 ポイント84 ポイント 2 時間 前 (43子コメント)
My mom actually bought this for my little cousin who is really into minecraft, I don't see how it's blasphemous at all. It tells the story of the bible, pretty well but easy enough for kids to understand, and keeps them interested by having it told through minecraft characters. I think it's genius.
[–]Jonny_Watts 91 ポイント92 ポイント93 ポイント 2 時間 前 (18子コメント)
I assumed the "blasphemy" call was on behalf of Minecraft, because I am sure the vast majority of people on this subreddit are either atheists or not religious. The chance of someone claiming this is blasphemous on behalf of Christianity is slim.
[–]PMMeYourPJs 59 ポイント60 ポイント61 ポイント 2 時間 前 (4子コメント)
They disgraced atheistcraft!
[–]3and4-fifthsKitsune 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
We need to make a FSM book!
[–]JediJofis 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
That would be the shortest book ever.
[–]Dirt_Track_Racer [スコア非表示] 17 分 前 (0子コメント)
"At first there was nothing. Now there's still nothing."
[–]fritzvonamerika [スコア非表示] 12 分 前 (0子コメント)
Nah they just slighted the church of Notch
[–]CitizenPremier [スコア非表示] 38 分 前* (0子コメント)
I assumed the "blasphemy" call was clickbait and OP has no strong feelings one way or the other.
edit: Holy shit was I wrong, OP has got a wicked hair up his ass.
[–]lgodsey [スコア非表示] 31 分 前 (1子コメント)
The vast majority of people on this subreddit are either atheists or not religious
Simply and ridiculously untrue. I know we love hyperbole, but reddit is a very mainstream site filled with with a cross-section of the general population, with the irreligious (like me) comprising a small percentage of users.
[–]FleetSevens [スコア非表示] 20 分 前 (0子コメント)
Eh, I don't know. I'd say the proportion of non-religious people on this site is definitely at least moderately higher than the population at large.
[–]fakeaccount572 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (7子コメント)
I am sure the vast majority of people on this subreddit are either atheists or not religious.
Why?
[–]Autobot248 26 ポイント27 ポイント28 ポイント 1 時間 前 (5子コメント)
That's the majority demographic on Reddit
[–]KaziArmada 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Because Reddit.
[–]kobekramer1 [スコア非表示] 56 分 前 (0子コメント)
What makes you think that, out of curiosity?
[–]mattburnsey [スコア非表示] 22 分 前 (0子コメント)
Mostly the noisy ones. I don't think the majority care.
[–]MrGryphian [スコア非表示] 12 分 前 (0子コメント)
OP is just dramatic about his euphoria
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[–]S4B0T 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I would upright drop kick them then burn the book.
dam u tuff
[–]zaldr [スコア非表示] 58 分 前 (0子コメント)
I thought your opinion seemed a little extreme for a second but then I remembered most of my interest in Christianity came about because of Osamu Tezuka's In the Beginning.
[–]unkillable94 [スコア非表示] 55 分 前 (0子コメント)
Sure you would.
[–]Mrs_Brisby 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Honestly I think the best thing is to let them read the bible. The real one. But the shit they give kids? It's edited. Why you wonder would they edit what kids learn from it? Because the real thing promotes and is approving of brutal horrific genocide after genocide after genocide, rape, incest, the subjugation of women, slavery, etc.
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[–]Mrs_Brisby [スコア非表示] 56 分 前 (1子コメント)
I don't think were smarter persay, and I don't think people who believe such things are dumb.
It's all about knowledge. Superstition and supernatural thinking flourishes in the area's where collective human knowledge is lacking.
Don't know anything about thunderstorms or lightning? It must be a God.
Don't know anything about volcanoes? It must be a God.
Of course then too you have those Gods that are pretty much just emotional blackmail to support a religious caste, those are pretty blatant and obvious to anyone who thinks about who has the most to gain and see's its the very ones who are trying to convince everyone it's real.
[–]Verun [スコア非表示] 46 分 前 (0子コメント)
Honestly, as an atheist and anthropologist...
Religion is comfort. It's comforting. They just don't think about the bad parts. It makes things easier.
"It's okay, if I die I'll be rewarded in heaven.". " I don't like him, I know he's a sinner and doesn't follow our religion."
It takes some of the decision-making out of the average person's hands and claims that there is a plan so wonderful and complicated we don't even know how to comprehend it. Because indeed, even people committing suicide can be part of the plan. It also comforts the elderly and the infirm, who have less years left on this planet.
So that's why people are religious. They want their reward, they expect their reward.
[–]Poolb0y [スコア非表示] 46 分 前 (0子コメント)
tips
[–]Murreey -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Did you seriously just fucking compare teaching children about religion to the holocaust?
[–]Murreey 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Of course, but you're talking about sending a specific religious sub group to concentration camps, then burning their books.
One can't help but draw comparisons.
[–]rocky_comet [スコア非表示] 39 分 前 (0子コメント)
Yes. If there is anything the church is good at it's finding new ways to brainwash children.
[–]GodlessPerson [スコア非表示] 44 分 前 (1子コメント)
Because minecraft already has a religion. http://www.minecraftforum.net/forums/minecraft-discussion/discussion/144181-cubeaism-a-minecraft-religion
[–]danielesc [スコア非表示] 38 分 前 (0子コメント)
now I've seen everything.
[–]Ryltarr 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I think it's ridiculous to package religion for the easy feeding got children. One's childhood defines one's outlook on life, and by using a game that children love to color it with religion you're manipulating them. Teaching religion to children is something that I don't believe in, but it's a parent's prerogative to do so. By mass producing a version of the bible which uses Minecraft to present it, you're both manipulating the children who read it and taking away the parents' need to actively teach religion to their children.
tl;dr: You're making religion too easy to spoon-feed to children who won't form their own opinions on it until their whole outlook on life is shaped by it.
[–]rocky_comet [スコア非表示] 35 分 前 (2子コメント)
"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." -Proverbs 22:6
In other words, "If you indoctrinate them when they are young, they'll stay brainwashed forever."
[–]Ryltarr [スコア非表示] 11 分 前 (0子コメント)
Not to mention that it takes away a lot of the magic of Minecraft... Minecraft has no moral codes about it, leaving you create your own. It teaches (by simulated experience) that the world is what you make it, which is the opposite of a lot of what religion teaches.
[–]spiraleclipse [スコア非表示] 31 分 前 (0子コメント)
I dunno, man, I think it's pretty clever. I fail to see the spoon-feeding aspect here. It's not a replacement for talking to your children about what they see in the text. Or in the Minecraft-ian images.
[–]yesat [スコア非表示] 6 分 前 (0子コメント)
Selling content based on an creation of another company, which is illegal.
[–]sleepertime [スコア非表示] 5 分 前 (0子コメント)
Whoosh
[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示] 48 分 前 (3子コメント)
Tainting Minecraft with religious messages?
Possibly trying to use an instanced world simulation as proof that a world can only be made by a creator?
[–]CitizenPremier [スコア非表示] 37 分 前 (2子コメント)
I think it would be really cool to read a story about a scientist who lived in the world of Minecraft, and how they would explain their universe.
[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示] 12 分 前 (1子コメント)
It would make an interesting story, but not for little kids. It's probably too boring for little kids.
[–]CitizenPremier [スコア非表示] 11 分 前 (0子コメント)
True, but little kids can go fuck themselves!
[+]niksko スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 2 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Because a child doesn't have the maturity to separate the Minecraft from the religion.
[–]Ice_tail 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (7子コメント)
Why not make minecraft religion?
[–]Spreafico [スコア非表示] 56 分 前 (5子コメント)
can I be the pope of that?
[–]Ice_tail [スコア非表示] 49 分 前 (4子コメント)
No
I'm the pope now
[–]Spreafico [スコア非表示] 36 分 前 (2子コメント)
Well that sucks. Can I be pope Steve the second?
[–]Ice_tail [スコア非表示] 31 分 前 (1子コメント)
No, you can be saint frank the drunk hobo
[–]Spreafico [スコア非表示] 28 分 前 (0子コメント)
You must know me well. As a kid hobo was wanted to be iif I grew up. Didn`t work out.
[–]Burninator05 [スコア非表示] 34 分 前 (0子コメント)
Are you sure about that?
[–]GodlessPerson [スコア非表示] 20 分 前 (0子コメント)
Make a religion for minecraft? (If this then see: cubeaism) Or make minecraft a religion?
[–]flat_pointer 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Alright Anabaptist good luck with Munster.
[–]SkywayTraffic [スコア非表示] 37 分 前* (0子コメント)
Can't speak for anyone else, but I dislike anything that specifically targets children when it comes to religion. If adults want to believe in that nonsense, whatever I guess, but when we try to market it to children, that boils my blood. Children shouldn't be taught this insanity.
Edit: Sorry for answering the question that was asked with a personal opinion. I meant to say "God rocks and is totally real! :D :D :D"
[–]rgnissen202 55 ポイント56 ポイント57 ポイント 5 時間 前 (31子コメント)
I saw that the other day too. Not sure if it's blasphemous to God, to Minecraft, or to human decency, but it's something.
[–]ultrakryptonite 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I have one of those bibles, but everything is made of legos. I'm not very religious, but it's really interesting seeing all those stories represented in they intricate sets and seeing creative uses for certain pieces. I still haven't read it though, just looked at the pictures.
[–]prettypinkdork 57 ポイント58 ポイント59 ポイント 3 時間 前 (21子コメント)
If it's just a book of bible stories with Minecraft pictures it's really not blasphemous at all.
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[–]Draco6slayer [スコア非表示] 50 分 前 (9子コメント)
However, it's fucking disgusting to trick a child into religion with the allure of a game they love.
I have the same opinion about math. How dare you try to teach me something with things that I like? Edutainment is fucking disgusting.
[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示] 47 分 前 (8子コメント)
The difference being math is a provable and useful tool in everyday life.
Religion is not.
[–]Draco6slayer [スコア非表示] 46 分 前 (6子コメント)
But you're still tricking me into liking something that you think is important, rather than allowing me to make my own decision.
[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示] 39 分 前 (5子コメント)
I think that it isn't a bad thing to trick kids into an interest in useful things.
You get your kid a Playskool workbench or an EZ-Bake oven, and you are teaching them about doing work and chores.
So, math is real, and necessary to learn.
God can not be proven.
[–]Andypwns [スコア非表示] 37 分 前 (1子コメント)
A lot of the old Bible stories have good morals in them and can help a child's imagination and reading skills blossom. I see no problem with it. Relax brother.
[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示] 11 分 前 (0子コメント)
Almost all of the "good morals" in the old bible stories are "do what God tells you to do."
And you can easily make a non religious story based on Minecraft that would blossom an interest in reading.
[–]Draco6slayer [スコア非表示] 36 分 前 (2子コメント)
So the point isn't that using games to convince kids to agree with you, or to teach them your beliefs, is somehow wrong?
The point is that you don't like religion? I can't argue with you there.
[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示] 14 分 前 (1子コメント)
Not beliefs. Skills.
People need math, cooking, toolwork, how to use currency, how to differentiate shapes, logic, puzzles...
But, if they don't know about Adam and Eve? Nothing happens. They don't become worse people for it. They won't flunk school because they didn't learn about Noah's Ark. They won't be malnourished because they didn't sing the Songs of Solomon.
Religion is by definition unprovable, and not necessary for human life. That is the reason we shouldn't be cramming it down kids' throats.
[–]Draco6slayer [スコア非表示] 2 分 前 (0子コメント)
You couldn't make this comment without knowing about Adam and Eve. You also would't understand Paradise Lost. Oh jeez, think of the literature you'd lose without knowing the most alluded to book of all time. And a huge amount of humour down the drain too.
They also won't flunk school because they'd never heard of minecraft.
And don't suddenly make this about what is necessary for human life. Not only does that vary based on where you live and how wealthy you are, it also excludes the math that you were defending a moment ago.
I assume you must also hate anything that attempts to make literature entertaining. It is literally the opposite of provable. Provable is also quite a vague word. Logic tells us that a proof can only exist if the predicates are known to be true, so math and pure logic are the only things that are provable.
An analysis of scientific knowledge throughout history has shown us that science has a half-life of 45 years. That is, half of all currently accepted scientific fact will be thrown out the window 45 years from now. Certainly you aren't behind cramming a bunch of information down children's throats, knowing that half of it will turn out to be lies within their lives.
[–]terreann [スコア非表示] 41 分 前 (0子コメント)
So brave
[–]unkillable94 [スコア非表示] 42 分 前 (1子コメント)
How do you "trick" a kid into religion? There is nothing misleading about it at all, it says explicitly on the cover that it's bible stories with screenshots from Minecraft recreating them. If you're up in arms over that that's honestly pretty pathetic.
You kind of remind me of a teenager who's just discovered atheism and thinks it's the greatest thing ever and is looking for any reason to be offended to prove himself or something.
[–]nullabillity [スコア非表示] 15 分 前 (0子コメント)
That cover is trying to sell the book to the parent, not to the kid.
[–]KingCrabmaster 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 2 時間 前* (1子コメント)
I've actually been curious about trying to find this and see if it is any good, I've always loved these different picturebook-Bibles similar to The Action Bible.
Even if it ends up being really cheesy, might be worth it!
Edit: Looking at the previews, I want this now. It is simple, a bit quirky, but very charming and cute if you ask me! Plus there are funny moments like how the serpent in the garden was replaced by a creeper. Creepers confirmed to have been cursed to explode.
[–]DocSnivy [スコア非表示] 16 分 前 (0子コメント)
My favorite was the Manga Bible. Go! Jesus-desu!
[–]BiscuitMiscuit 31 ポイント32 ポイント33 ポイント 5 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Just imagine if we used games to explain other things!
"Ok Kids! Today we are going to explain the Fall of Rome with JENGA!"
[–]Patchesthelurker 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Or the tower of Babel
[–]bvincent 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Zing! XD
[–]rediraim 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Or Jericho. OP please, of all the examples you could go with, that's the best you could come up with? Haha.
[–]Kjewbacca 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
You see children, just as Rome wasn't built in a day, it didn't fall in a day either. As the empire grew taller and taller, bigger and bigger, it started to get wobbly. Pretty soon, they ran all out of blocks and had to start using blocks from earlier! This made Rome even more wobbly. Now some circumstances happened that contributed to the fall of Rome, and that took out even more blocks. One of these is the invasion of the barbarian tribes. Another is that the Romans relied on slave labor too much. Another is corruption of the government. Pretty soon Rome was too big and couldn't stand up on its own, and it all came crashing down!
[–]Draco6slayer [スコア非表示] 34 分 前 (0子コメント)
This block is the goths, who were running away from the mongols and tried to seek safety in the tower. The tower didn't want to use up land for immigrants, which in the analogy is, I guess, empty space. So the tower didn't want to use up it's empty space, and didn't want to give the block solace, I guess the tower and the block have free agency, which is a bit unusual. Anyway the block attacks the tower. That doesn't happen in the game, I guess, but imagine if the rules were different. And the tower can't fight back, because it doesn't have a significant army anywhere, especially compared to the land it's defending. I guess in the game the tower doesn't have an army anyway-
Fuck it. Let's do this with Risk.
[–]KingCrabmaster 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Funny enough Jenga if you think about it Jenga is an all around pretty decent item to use for various teaching! Physics/weight distribution, using the blocks and building blocks for creativity-related things (So long as you get the standard non-weirdly shaped logs), and other things like that.
[–]Karma_Turret [スコア非表示] 49 分 前 (0子コメント)
Or the World Trade Center
imsorryplsdontkillme
[–]SamLarson [スコア非表示] 47 分 前 (0子コメント)
Alright everyone, we're going to explain the judicial and penal system today... with Dark Souls.
[–]jt2893 85 ポイント86 ポイント87 ポイント 3 時間 前 (14子コメント)
/r/atheism is leaking
[–]AKnightAlone 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 2 時間 前 (11子コメント)
So is my faucet, but you don't see me bringing it up.
[–]ThreePieces 59 ポイント60 ポイント61 ポイント 2 時間 前 (9子コメント)
You just brought it up.
[–]TacoRedneck 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 時間 前 (5子コメント)
You guys just lost the game.
[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示] 43 分 前 (3子コメント)
https://xkcd.com/391/
[–]TacoRedneck [スコア非表示] 42 分 前 (2子コメント)
Thats not how the game works, though. If you even think about the game, you have already lost.
[–]CitizenPremier [スコア非表示] 38 分 前 (0子コメント)
I play a version of the game where I win whenever I remember I'm playing. It's pretty great.
[–]kinyutaka [スコア非表示] 32 分 前 (0子コメント)
Technically, you are the one that announced a loss by saying others lost. Thus, because of the anti-recursion rule (which prevents you being forced to announce that you lost, because someone announced they lost), only the person to bring the game up in conversation has lost.
[–]perfectwing -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
You just brought up them bringing it up.
[–]ThreePieces 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
But I never said you don't see me doing it. I do bring things up. As you can see. Thanks for bringing that up.
[–]KingCrabmaster [スコア非表示] 45 分 前 (0子コメント)
I would just like to bring up the fact that we might have started an infinite-loop.
[–]rocky_comet [スコア非表示] 34 分 前 (0子コメント)
And my toilet has a leak as well.
[–]12awomack 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
There is one similar called "The Brick Testament" or something like that made out of legos. Its actually rather mature and has nude and Gore scenes. (made of Lego of course)
[–]FlyingSwords [スコア非表示] 35 分 前 (0子コメント)
I love the Brick Testament. It's a lot of this.
[–]D2Follow 30 ポイント31 ポイント32 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Warning: Comments in this thread are reminiscent of /r/atheism...
Abandon hope, all ye who enter here.
[–]FleetSevens [スコア非表示] 18 分 前 (2子コメント)
Or /r/Christianity really.
[–]clarkster [スコア非表示] 14 分 前 (0子コメント)
Have you actually visited there? Or do you mean the people who are understanding and not offended in this thread are similar to the ones in /r/Christianity?
[–]NotEthosLab [スコア非表示] 12 分 前 (0子コメント)
Or /r/Scientology
[–]AKA_Wildcard 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Didn't even know this existed, I just ordered a copy.
[–]Wyrd-One 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
No more so than The Action Bible. Just another way to reach the kids. They had illustrated bibles when I was young, nothing new here, just using Minecraft to tell the stories.
[–]AnEvilVet 46 ポイント47 ポイント48 ポイント 5 時間 前 (62子コメント)
There's nothing wrong with using something that your children can relate to to pass on your beliefs to them. Children's bibles have existed for years and simply representing the stories in a different manner isn't blasphemy, it's nice.
[+]liquid_at スコアが基準値未満のコメント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント 4 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I think he meant blasphemic to the minecraft-gods. Not the Judea-Christian-Mass-Delusion.
Herobrine will not be pleased.
[–]AnEvilVet 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Does that make Notch/Jeb the anti-christ seeing as they have removed Herobrine in past updates? :)
[–]liquid_at 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
It's like telling a christian you killed god. He will just call you crazy.
When herobrine was never implemented, it can never be removed. Herobrine just is. herobrine is the diamond-ores in exactly the few blocks you didn't check. Herobrine is the creeper that spawns in the 1 unlit block and creeps up on you while you check your chests. Herorbrine is the free floating Gravel-floor that you accidentally update while standing on it. Herobrine just is.
:-)
[–]skunky420 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's so beautiful.
[–]SlowCPU 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Tell that to Nietzsche.
[+]ZuphCud[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-54 ポイント-53 ポイント-52 ポイント 5 時間 前 (56子コメント)
There's everything wrong with indoctrinating children, and hijacking popular culture for that purpose.
[–]AnEvilVet 32 ポイント33 ポイント34 ポイント 4 時間 前 (54子コメント)
I don't think passing on your sincere beliefs to your own children using materials that help you explain your beliefs easier is a bad thing.
I doubt children are clamouring to buy this themselves and I don't envisage evangelists slipping them into kids book-bags as they leave primary school. It's not a massive conspiracy to brainwash kids so get off your high-horse.
[–]niksko -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2 時間 前 (6子コメント)
Wow, I'm really shocked OP is getting down voted so badly.
Children are not old enough or mature enough to make decisions on their own. Taking something that they enjoy and relate to and using it to indoctrinate them with your own beliefs is essentially tricking their young minds into accepting your beliefs. Not only are they too young to reason soundly, but now you're conflating their reasoning with their love for Minecraft.
It's not a conspiracy. It's just really (perhaps unintentionally) deceptive and yuck.
[–]Eirh [スコア非表示] 59 分 前 (0子コメント)
Maybe it's because he said
Every last human who believes in a god, has been the victim of indoctrination or brainwashing. The conspiracy is as big as the number of buyers. Enjoy brainwashing your children, and watch them brainwash theirs.
Every last human who believes in a god, has been the victim of indoctrination or brainwashing.
The conspiracy is as big as the number of buyers.
Enjoy brainwashing your children, and watch them brainwash theirs.
That's definitely more crazy than a minecraft themed child bible. I don't get the big deal, you don't have to be crazy about religion to want to tell your kids the more well known and important stories of the bible. And I say that as an Atheist.
[–]894539848092 [スコア非表示] 30 分 前 (0子コメント)
Get off it. That's the entire point of parenting is to pass down your beliefs. We try and instill in them some sense of a moral system, philosophical system, political system, and spiritual system. When my kids watch School House Rock, it's because I'm trying to teach them my beliefs in representative democracy.
Just because you try and use a scary word like indoctrinate doesn't make teaching children your beliefs is bad.
[–]CitizenPremier [スコア非表示] 34 分 前 (1子コメント)
What if you believe something like "Don't murder other people for sport?" you'd better not force your child to believe the same thing until they're old enough to decide for themselves.
Everybody forces some beliefs on their kids, or they end up with real shitty kids.
[–]snapy666 [スコア非表示] 4 分 前 (0子コメント)
Interesting point, but there's a difference: Telling your kids not to hurt others is reasonable 1, while telling your kids that some ancient myth is true, is not okay. It has detrimental effects for your children. For example, there has been a study that showed that religious children are less able to distinguish fantasy from reality.
1 It's immoral — I hope I don't have to explain why, but it can be explained without an absolute moral instance.
[+]sennec スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Apparently there's a lot of religious nuts on /r/Minecraft
[–]Toshibi 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
You know, I'm an atheist just like a lot of other people on Reddit. I downvoted OP because he comes off like an angry teenager that has never had kids so completely lacks any perspective on being a parent and thinks it is wrong to share your beliefs with your children. That's just asinine. He further goes on to say later in this thread that it is brainwashing to share your beliefs with your children but turns right around and says that he plans to show them the inherent evil associated with religions (FYI, that's the exact same thing). Parents have been trying to relate to their children and share their beliefs with them since the dawn of time. For instance, my mother was a Pentecostal Holiness nutter at her worst and a bit of a new age hippy at her best and I had to deal with all of that, but you know what, I as a separate human being, with a mind of my own was able to make up my own mind.
If this book is so horrible I'm surprised you guys aren't comparing taking kids to church with torture and murder.
[+]ZuphCud[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-55 ポイント-54 ポイント-53 ポイント 4 時間 前 (45子コメント)
[–]AnEvilVet 31 ポイント32 ポイント33 ポイント 4 時間 前 (43子コメント)
You're confusing brainwashing with people passing on their beliefs to their own children.
I'm an atheist and a dad to three kids. I've not forced my beliefs on my children and the two who are old enough to believe in something do believe in God and Christianity. That isn't harmful to them in any way and it teaches them some good life lessons.
When they ask questions about religion, I explain that there are many different beliefs and none of them are right or wrong, they are just beliefs with no true way to state which is right or wrong.
Maybe when you have children you'll understand that they are individuals and can make up their own mind about what they want to believe.
[–]Yodaddysbelt -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
/r/atheism
[–]lostarchitect 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I think Bert Cooper said it best:
http://media.giphy.com/media/k3y33b9PpM6XK/giphy.gif
[–]Mojang SupportMarc_IRL 36 ポイント37 ポイント38 ポイント 5 時間 前 (28子コメント)
Indoctrinate the kids using their favorite games! If only they'd had this earlier, we wouldn't have had to have the crusades!
[+]marchaeus スコアが基準値未満のコメント-17 ポイント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント 3 時間 前* (23子コメント)
This is pretty horrific and true. I dislike this kind of indoctrination. A kid doesn't know what road he's going down when belief comes into play. When my kid is born he's going to get a rounded perspective when he's old enough. Let him decide then what he believes in. As a little one, whatever his parents tell him is considered truth in his eyes, why fill it with debatable information unless it's presented as such.
Edit: I'm not saying shelter the kid from religion. In my youth I was told right away that Jesus died for my sins etc and I need to be a Christian. I want my kid to understand that faith is a choice, his choice. that's all. I have plenty of family that will give false information based on religious beliefs which I want to make sure he isn't brought up to automatically believe things that evidence purely find contradictory. And I rephrase, I don't think that indoctrination should be illegal at all. It's an early morning. I just think it taking advantage of the kid's pleasures.
[–]pizzahut91 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
No matter what your child will be influenced by religion. Maybe you go to church amd maybe you stay home. Maybe you pray at dinner and maybe you don't. Are you saying it should be illegal for parents to practice their religion to their child? Moreover, parents are supposed to guide their children in life. If you want to argue that kids can't choose for themselves then you throw every parenting philosophy out the window because that applies to just about everything. Some parents will teach their kids to fight back and others will teach them to not get involved. But you can't do that! Kids can't choose for themselves! We need to confuse them with mixes messages because otherwise we're evil, manipulative people.
Kids will become independent with age, and they'll make these decisions as they grow up.
[–]marchaeus 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I get that, and totally agree they will have more individuality later in years. I just want him to grow up with an objective point of view than anything, is what I'm getting at.
[–]Jonny_Watts 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 2 時間 前 (20子コメント)
On that note, let's keep ALL POLITICS away from children because we shouldn't indoctrinate them! /s
Like I said in another comment, if it was presented objectively or as a story to the child, I would be more inclined. But saying "this is all fact and you need to believe that !" I find unwise.
[–]Yianna 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前* (15子コメント)
You shouldnt take away "ALL POLITICS" but you shouldnt force your politics crap on your kids. They should form their own opinion over time.
[–]Jonny_Watts 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前 (14子コメント)
Reading them a children's book isn't forcing your religion.
[+]Yianna スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (13子コメント)
For a young child it makes no difference what you read it as dumbass.
[–]Icalasari 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
So I'll assume if kid you was read The Similliron, you'd have been "brainwashed" into believing in elves, dwarves, and angellic wizards are all real
[–]Yianna 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
If the parent said they did then yes.
[–]TheAughtSpectrum 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
If parents present it as truth, then yes, he would believe it. Do you really think elves, dwarves and angelic wizards are less believable than the stuff in the bible? I'm not trying to attack religion, but the bible is full of people raised from the dead, a boat that can hold literally millions of species, leviathan, angels that visit and possibly help impregnate virgins, a beast that will rise from the ocean to somehow be seen by everyone on earth (even though it's a sphere), people being teleported through the atmosphere to heaven, staffs turning into snakes, etc. There's just as much magic in the bible as Lord of the Rings.
[–]Icalasari [スコア非表示] 26 分 前 (0子コメント)
Fair enough, but I find that the healthy ones understand that holy books were written back when a whale might be thought of as a leviathan, and that some stories are just that - stories and allegories. Doesn't mean one can't believe in a deity and the basic tenants
I'm just getting ticked at the blanket statements in the thread on brainwashing
[–]Jonny_Watts 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (8子コメント)
dumbass
I'm done here.
[–]Yianna -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 2 時間 前 (7子コメント)
Wow what a cop-out.
children's book
Oh no! I am leaving...
[–]torro947 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 1 時間 前 (6子コメント)
I'd be done when the name calling starts too. It's not a cop out, just refusal to deal with childish behavior.
[–]AKnightAlone -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Shouldn't politics just be an extension of the concept of compassion and sharing that we normally try to teach kids?
[–]TheAughtSpectrum 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Well, sharing to some people is helping the poor, and to others it's taking help away from the poor so they can "help themselves". It's hard to teach objective morality, as it doesn't exist.
[–]Jonny_Watts 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Your concepts of "compassion and sharing" might vary from one person to another, so you shouldn't force those on your kids because that's indoctrination.
[–]arconom [スコア非表示] 29 分 前 (0子コメント)
If only Joseph Goebbels had this kind of propaganda at his disposal, the world would be a better place.
Ein tausand jaehriges Reich!
[–]Springstof 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 2 時間 前 (4子コメント)
This is madness!
[–]LightWarriorK 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
THIS. IS. SPARTA!
I assume that's what you were fishing for? :)
[–]Springstof 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Spartans never retreat! Spartans never surrender! Go spread the word. Let every Greek assembled know the truth of this. Let each among them search his own soul. And while you're at it, search your own.
[–]marioman63 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
stopped caring about religion years ago. would love to read that book anyways. looks fun.
[–]naloxoneofthemasses 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
If you build it they will come.
[–]NinjaFistOfPain 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
[–]Ilikewaterandjuice [スコア非表示] 49 分 前 (1子コメント)
On the first day God created blocks
[–]MagicJuggler [スコア非表示] 27 分 前 (0子コメント)
On the second through sixth days, he removed Herobrine.
[–]Bob_the_Hamster [スコア非表示] 20 分 前 (1子コメント)
Please tell me that Judas Iscariot is portrayed with a Creeper skin! :D
[–]Bob_the_Hamster [スコア非表示] 19 分 前 (0子コメント)
Thatssss a nice Ssssssavior you have there, sssssshame if anything happened to him
[–]rigel2112 [スコア非表示] 8 分 前 (0子コメント)
Haha did they include the part where Lot's daughters slept with him?
How about when he gave his virgin daughters a rape mob who came for an angel staying with him.
Or you know the flood where that god killed every living thing on the planet.
Might be amusing to see in minecraft.
[–]lpchaon 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I've been trying to think of ways to use Minecraft in the Sunday school class I teach. All the kids in the class love Minecraft, so it might be fun to get the book and design some lessons around it.
[–]lonewolfmp 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's some hardcore creationism right there
[–]sicaxis 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Holy hell. Someone doesn't agree with someone and a whole subreddit just explodes. Calm down people. When someone disagrees with you, there's no need to be throwing bricks at each other.
[–]itwasdark [スコア非表示] 35 分 前 (0子コメント)
Please tell me they used a Zombie to represent Jesus resurrected.
[–]generalzee -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 3 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I don't think its blasphemy, but it IS Idolatry, so you know, if you're Greek Orthodox, this is evil.
[–]Spreafico [スコア非表示] 57 分 前 (3子コメント)
Idolatry is worshiping an idol, this is not that.
[–]generalzee [スコア非表示] 50 分 前 (2子コメント)
Idolatry is the worship of a physical representation of God. In the western churches, this has been changed to be more like "Don't worship false gods," but Greek Orthodox churches are far more strict on their interpretation. Since this would clearly be representing God's work, physically, as something other than its original form (I.E. The Bible), they would consider it Idolatry.
[–]rwbronco [スコア非表示] 24 分 前 (1子コメント)
if you're shopping for a bible with any pictures at all in it - you're not strict Greek Orthodox
[–]generalzee [スコア非表示] 15 分 前 (0子コメント)
That would be correct.
[–]Kenshh 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
You're right, its all about the hand of truth.
[–]monospace [スコア非表示] 49 分 前 (0子コメント)
Don't know about blasphemy, but I'm really digging the Adam and Eve skins.
[–]captaineighttrack [スコア非表示] 48 分 前 (0子コメント)
Well as a Fan of Minecraft and as Religious person i have seen everything.
[–]PrometheusZero [スコア非表示] 39 分 前 (2子コメント)
Are churches exempt from IP laws or can anyone make a 'Minecraft book'?
[–]rwbronco [スコア非表示] 23 分 前 (0子コメント)
if you're using their artwork in it, you're going to need to pay royalties and get their permission or you're going to end up on the settling end of a lawsuit
[–]LeerooooyGaaaankins [スコア非表示] 13 分 前 (0子コメント)
I don't see this being anymore against the EULA than a monetized LP on YouTube, or ads on a website with pictures of your builds. They are essentially selling images of their builds with Biblical captions.
[–]wyvern_rider [スコア非表示] 31 分 前 (0子コメント)
That's awesome!
[–]LeatherPinata [スコア非表示] 30 分 前 (3子コメント)
I don't remember Jesus ever riding a donkey (from pop culture that is, haven't read the bible)
[–]itwasdark [スコア非表示] 21 分 前 (1子コメント)
Yeah, he rode one into the temple because there was a jewish prophecy that the savior would do this. It was by most accounts a premeditated decision to intentionally fulfil this prophecy. He then proceeded to make a huge scene, literally flipping tables while preaching against corruption, etc.
Was baller as fuck.
[–]LeatherPinata [スコア非表示] 12 分 前 (0子コメント)
hmm. nice
[–]rwbronco [スコア非表示] 20 分 前 (0子コメント)
He rode a donkey into Jerusalem on what we now call Palm Sunday. It's one of the few incidents in Jesus' life which is recorded in all four gospels.
[–]Sojoez [スコア非表示] 23 分 前 (0子コメント)
I bet they left out all the juicy stuff though.
Unlike the Lego Bible... NSFW
[–]tehbored [スコア非表示] 21 分 前 (0子コメント)
Actually, I've always thought this would be a good idea. I'm not Christian, but I've always thought that video games were a great metaphor for God and Jesus.
You see, God is like a programmer. Omnipotent and omniscient when it comes to his code. Jesus is kind of like God's avatar. Fully God, but also fully man, since he's subject to the physics of the game world. Except of course when God uses cheat codes to perform miracles. It also works with Genesis, since God could have written the code for the world in six God days, and then simulated it for a while. Minecraft simulates the world before putting the player in during world creation. Who's to say that the game didn't "start" until 6000 years ago?
Of course, all of this is unprovable and therefore not worth actually believing, but it's a neat thought experiment, IMO.
[–]Sleek_Bones [スコア非表示] 2 分 前 (0子コメント)
Is it bad that i would get this just to see if they kept the actuall content right and all the voilence in the Bible, because uh...theres alot of voilence, and rape and mabey other things.
[–]justnick 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I've also heard about religious people hating on minecraft because it's so not religious and because its made in sweden (sweden is very low on the religious scale) so i'm pretty surprised and shocked here.
[–]nostalgya [スコア非表示] 36 分 前 (0子コメント)
Not all who delve in a specific religion feel that "X" is evil/unholy.
[–]mefford_howell -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 5 時間 前 (0子コメント)
You should see the lego one.
[+]ZuphCud[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 6 時間 前* (5子コメント)
Here's a preview of the inside.
You can also write a review there if you have a Google account.
[–]renrag242 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Why would you write a review if you haven't read it tho
[–]Eirh [スコア非表示] 56 分 前 (0子コメント)
Because he wants to push an agenda.
[–]IMBJR 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 5 時間 前 (2子コメント)
So, instead of a snake, the serpent is a creeper. OK, I can live with that.
But then they have Adam and Eve wearing fig leaves before they have tasted the apple! That's not scripture!
[–]D2Follow -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Not to mention that Gabriel didn't exist yet.
[–]FiguredCo 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Gabriel doesn't show up in the actual bible until much later, but the bible itself hints that the angels existed prior to the creation of the world.
[–]centersolace -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 時間 前 (2子コメント)
It's funny because Christians tried to ban Minecraft.
[–]Yodaddysbelt [スコア非表示] 59 分 前 (1子コメント)
The entirety of christianity?
[–]centersolace [スコア非表示] 55 分 前 (0子コメント)
Of course not. But there were quite a few of them. Enough to make this incredibly amusing.
[+]camshlom スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント 5 時間 前 (1子コメント)
They are trying really hard to breed those future believers
[+]DanyTheRed スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
You got to get them while they're young.
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[–]torro947 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 時間 前 (5子コメント)
why is shit like this considered ok?
I dunno if you are in the US or not but this is OK because it is the parent's decision on how to raise their children. "shit like this" is protected by the constitution. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it wrong. It's not impossible to be raised religiously and still form your own opinion about the matter.
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[–]torro947 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
You feel like it is indoctrination because you don't agree with it. A lot of people don't see it that way. Atheistic people love to throw around the word indoctrination but teaching your child about religion is hardly indoctrination. I personally know atheists who teach their children religion is wrong, do you believe this too is indoctrination?
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[–]torro947 [スコア非表示] 59 分 前 (0子コメント)
I realize this but the way the word is used in regards to religion with negative connotations all the time. The opposition to religious indoctrination has given it a whole new meaning it seems. Why can't people just believe what they believe and not have everyone else worrying about it? It's bad enough radical christianity wants to control everyone but you are implying that teaching religion should not be socially acceptable and that goes against the principles of freedom and liberty.
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