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[–]Operoni 452 ポイント453 ポイント  (75子コメント)

Wtf, what even is this?

[–]_Piggy_Steam ID Here[S] 178 ポイント179 ポイント  (61子コメント)

They have introduced a new marketplace for modders to sell their creations. Not sure if this is good or bad. It supports the modders but then again why should we pay for mods

[–]modgoneMacBook Pro 15" Late 2013 16GB RAM, 750M , 512 GB 233 ポイント234 ポイント  (30子コメント)

I doubt it will be perceived as a good change.A "Debut Bundle Pack" with 17 items ( most of them weapons ) costs 26.52 EUR while the base game costs 15 EUR.I would say its just too much for some mods.I would be glad to support the developers with a "pay what you want" system, not fixed prices.

Edit: "Content creators only get 25% of the requested price, so if someone pays the minimum of 1.50$ we get 0.37 cents which we need to divide between two as we have two authors that worked on it. So a whopping 0.19 cents for each purchase."

-Bethesda. "They came up with the idea and invited us to be part of this launch" - One of the Skyrim Content Creators

25% goes to "support the creators" The much aclaimed feature to 'support' the creators actually supports the game developers first then Valve then the mod creator.

[–]ValannorSteam ID Here 209 ポイント210 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I'd support a "pay if you want" system.

[–]masterflapdroldual core i5 1.6ghz & Intel HD 3000 ;-; Steam: Inverted Silence 148 ポイント149 ポイント  (12子コメント)

I wouldn't pay jack shit. Wasn't ad-fly a thing?

[–]gthkenohttp://steamcommunity.com/id/gertman 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'd say ads are the best option, people using the mod in general end up giving them money through ads. Donations on the side wouldn't hurt either.

[–]masterflapdroldual core i5 1.6ghz & Intel HD 3000 ;-; Steam: Inverted Silence 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

do you want mods to go in the direction that mobile games did? (at least if you're talking about in-game ads). Ad-fly worked fine. Even if it was a chain of five of them I would be cool with it. Every once in a while you see a really good mod. like thaumcraft 4 for minecraft. I seriously consider donating to him now.

[–]gthkenohttp://steamcommunity.com/id/gertman 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if a mod has in-game ads that seems difficult and excessive (though if it wasn't out of place like a bilboard in GTA I think that would add to the game), I'd say ad-fly or just ads on the download page.

I think the best part of mods right now is that hardly any are for-profit, this change could get people to make money grabbing shit mods, like the mobile market.

[–]eyesareitchy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I seriously consider donating to him now.

How can you say it worked when it didn't get you to donate?!

[–]chitturdingi7 2700k @ 4.3 | GTX 970 | 16GB DDR3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's the thought that counts.

[–]KillericonSTEAM_0:0:5125126 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd say ads are the best option

How closely overlapping do you think the Venn Diagram between Ad-Block users and people who mod their games is?

[–]gthkenohttp://steamcommunity.com/id/gertman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ads are the best option just some people don't want to participate, It's a shame they're ruining these situations. There's no good way to solve adblock issues since a majority of users know what they're doing and wont change because of "intrusive" ads.

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wouldn't pay jack shit

You say that, but seeing the prices some guys put on their mods, I would gladly pay them in shit without even taking their mod.

[–]masterflapdroldual core i5 1.6ghz & Intel HD 3000 ;-; Steam: Inverted Silence 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

they only get 25% of the cut. the rest of it goes to valve and besteda.

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well then, I'd have to cut my shit in 4 pieces, fling one of those pieces at the modder, and the rest at Valve and Bethesda. Very well.

[–]Vorteth 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Problem is all those people using adblock screw em over.

[–]EggheadDasheggheaddash 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Only if $0.00 is a valid option.

[–]Jess_than_three 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's what this system is. If you want, you pay. If you don't want to pay, that's fine, too.

[–]sociallyawkwardheroNvidia 780 OC SLI, SLI 770 OC, AMD 8350, AMD 8320 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They have a pay what you want system in place, it is entirely up to the mod creator to choose that option.

[–]SyondiSyondi 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

AKA, Donating.

[–]Ghost4000Specs/Imgur Here 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's already there, click midas magic gold. It's pay what you want.

[–]NurizekoSpecs/Imgur Here 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd support a "make your own goddamn game if you want to make money" system.

[–]poooooooooPC Master Race 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What if the mod doesn't work, or you don't like it?

[–]haskellthegreat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a pay what you want scheme meaning you can pay far less. I think it is completely ok to pay a couple pence for someones hard work, if solely for the reason that it allows them to spend more time making it, allowing them to develop their interests.

[–]Muffinator4ASUS Rampage V | i-7 | GTX 970 | 16GB RAM 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd support having both and letting developers choose. If you want it to change, show that by donating a lot to the mods you love.

[–]leetdood_shadowban 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe it's just me, but your comment sounds like it's more about DLC not mods.

[–]levon14Not worth mentioning 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd rather buy a damn CSGO knife or skins. Seriously, those weapon mods shouldn't go for more than 50 cents each.

Scrap that. More than 0cents is too much!

[–]L2CF 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a pay what you want system in place btw.

[–]M1chlCZ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Are you fucking real with that percentage? Holy shit!

[–]X-CraftSteam ID Here 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Separate mods have a pay what you want system, just the bundle is fixed price.

[–]ruloaasSteam ID Here 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not really pay what you want, the available amounts are fixed.

[–]Avenflaraven21 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is actually a 'pay what you want" option... but it's still fixed prices from Valve.

[–]jdmgtoTyyrlym 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (12子コメント)

then again why should we pay for mods

Same reason you pay for anything, the creator's time and effort. If someone wants to sell their mod I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be able to.

That said, if there was a donate button I'd be much more open to it than an upfront charge. Given how easily one mod can break another or your entire game I wouldn't pay $5 for a mod that I don't even know will work.

[–]z64dansteamcommunity.com/id/boners 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (7子コメント)

They definitely need some kind of donation option for mod uploaders instead.

Takes you to the "buy" page, where you get 3 buttons:

  • Donate from your Steam Wallet
  • Donate from your Inventory (like, give the dev trading cards that they can sell)
  • Just get the mod for free

That being said, I think it should be an option, and modders should be allowed to charge outright for mods if they want to. Although I think they'd make more money with the donation option, personally...

[–]jdmgtoTyyrlym 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I'd much prefer the donation option and I agree, I think allowing for donations would garner a lot more money than outright charging for the mods.

[–]flounder19 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For really good mods this might be true but for low quality and even average ones that don't really inspire people to donate, it's probably better for the modder to get their money upfront and mandatory.

[–]AL2009man 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I prefer this option better.

[–]Loomismeister 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Why should you be able to dictate what the mod creator is allowed to do with regard to accepting donations or charging per download.

Everyone is upset with valve merely for giving mod creators the option of selling the content, and this is ridiculous.

The only one who could be legitimately cross with this are the game developers themselves, who potentially lose out on there own ability to sell additional content.

Neither of these situations are harmful to PC gaming, and if anything all this does is inspire much more mod creation in games and cause game companies to more correctly value DLC that they wish to add. Honestly, most mods are complete shit, and there are only a few games that have a variety of decent mods made by charitable gamers.

[–]Nebbelundz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So lets say, I purchase a mod, doesn't work on my setup for some reason. Who do I turn to? Who will help me fix this problem? No one that is. That is why they shouldn't charge, rather have a donation option. If I purchased a faulty (insert product here) I could get a refund in seconds, but I doubt you will get ur cash back from steam.

[–]haskellthegreat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But a donation system would mean no money would go to Bethesda, who actually made the game, nor to valve, for making a popular store front to sell it.

[–]kailkaykailkay 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, looks like it's time to stop playing mods. Which means it is time to stop being PCMR. Anyone up for some D&D?

[–]Hans_Sanitizeri7 - 3770k, GTX 670 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

No, modding was a portfolio extender. It used to be that modding gave people the chance to show their stuff off and get a job, it's a resume builder. This is all shades of wrong, and I guess it's back to nexus mods.

[–]Anon159023 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

In many circumstances it has moved away from that. See mods becoming full games, Second life (and games similar), and simulation games.

Mods costing money is not a new concept, and while I do not like how it was implemented in the workshop it isn't "all shades of wrong"

[–]jdmgtoTyyrlym -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No, that's what you think modding should be and frankly, it's not. I don't believe most modders are aiming for a shot with a game company with their mods. It's done for fun or just to learn skills. Very few modders overall have made a career out of it.

[–]GumdropGoober -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll give you ten fucking reasons why this is a bad idea.

1) Mod creators can be anyone-- if they make promises of future updates, there is no need for them to follow through.

2) Any update to a game can and does break mods, and mod creators do not always update their stuff. You just paid $3 for something that no longer works.

3) Updating mods, especially for Skyrim, can break your game. You just paid $3 to have to restart because the scripting system is fucked.

4) Anyone can upload mods they don't own (we all have the files, after all!), maybe make a few bucks, and then bail.

5) How do you monetize mods made by teams? Is one cunt gonna collect all the cash? There is no system to make that fair.

6) Mod usage is predicated on the notion of experimentation. If WATER and Pure Waters and whatever the else costs money, do I just gotta take one and hope it works well?

7) If mod creators are now monetizing their shit, why don't the SKSE team, or that Boris guy who makes ENB do the same? Their work would be like $20, considering some random fuck sword is apparently worth $2.

8) Can't wait for the DRM.

9) Many mods make use of free modding assets, if one has to pay to access them, this significantly hurts the community.

10) Jesus fuck, $1 for a sword? Are you fucking kidding me?

[–]TookYoCookiesi5 3570k, GTX 970 SC 3.5gb :( , 16gb ram 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Paying for mods can be a good thing. its just the kind of mods and quality of them and the amount that they cost.

We're already seeing single armor sets for $1.99 and single weapons for $0.99 a piece, which is a fucking joke imo. If the game itself is $60 why would ONE fucking weapon be $1??? and why would ONE FUCKING ARMOR set be $2??!?! WTF

ON TOP OF THAT WET AND COLD IS $6!!!!! SIX FUCKING DOLLARS WHAT THE FUCK ISOKU, ALL YOUR MOD DOES IS MAKE FUCKING NPCS WEAR SCARVES AND GIVE ME A LITTLE MESSAGE SAYING "HEY FUCK FACE, ITS CHILLY OUTSIDE" WHY DOES THAT CONSTITUE SIX FUCKING DOLLARS?? Wet and cold by itself is fucking worthless, it is just a fucking little immersion mod. It only adds the slightest emphasis to some weather affects, why on earth should it be worth 10% of the total game price. That makes no fucking sense.

See- it wouldnt be a problem, if say a single weapon was 10 cents, and an armor set was 10 cents, and then maybe Wet and cold, other script heavy mods, maybe like 25 cents.

But 1-2 dollars?? and then 6 dollars? On top of which- how compatible will wet and cold be? Cause for 6 dollars it better be fucking compatible with every other fucking mod out there. $6 is half a fucking DLC.

This is just fucking terrifying. What happens if/when immersive armors goes on the workshop? Will it be $50? Alternate start, $60?? Deadly Dragons $40? This is just... oh man this is fucking scary.

Valve this is a very dark and EA like path you are taking, and i will refuse to follow it.

[–]Alexander0810I7-4790k, 8 GB DDR3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And also a new market for a russian website that re-uploads every mod that's only available on steam.

[–]Vergilx217i7 4790K, GIGABYTE GTX 970 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think this may set a dangerous precedent where all mods cost money. I mean, supporting the mod devs is important, but if they all cost money no one will really want to mod anything.

[–]Metron45metron4 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/about/?appid=72850#Earning

Modders only gets 25% it isn't really supporting them.

[–]Jess_than_three 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But then again why should modders work for free

Except that of course plenty will still continue to do so, but hey...

[–]mundoxTengo un gato en los pantalones 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

why should we pay for mods

Why should the modder create content for you at no cost?

[–]Sonic_The_Werewolf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't like this any more than you do but...

why should we pay for mods

Because they take effort to create, same reason you pay for the game to begin with...

[–]ShaynerosShayneros 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Would you pay money to play Russian Roulette? I as sure hell wouldn't

[–]burf 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I've played multiple mods that I would have paid for; some of them are very in-depth and add an entirely new gaming experience.

[–]crumbaker 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

why should you expect to get anything for free, this will give more of us incentive to make better mods.

[–]AciasSpecs/Imgur Here 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Might be cool for stuff like Cities:Skylines where you can make your own buildigns and maybe sell them for 5 cents or something.

[–]BrinkBreakerBurlingtonBeast 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, mods are often incompatible with many others, made incompatible or broken after updates, and often require hours of work by users to make them usable.

Hell, I'd say 50+ of my 250+ skyrim mods ate just patches and compatibility related.

[–]Sovex66http://steamcommunity.com//id/Sovex66 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

For skyrim is about 3D making stuff, one of the hardest thing to do with a computer, so i think isn't the worst idea

but i'm pretty sure some bad guys will download all mods they found on the web to tro to make money :(

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

For skyrim is about 3D making stuff, one of the hardest thing to do with a computer

Yeah, because coding entire new sections of behavior/animations for monsters or NPCs, taking perfect high-res pictures of real things and making them not look bad as textures, or recording sounds that make things more realistic; that's all piss-easy compared to making a 3D model. And, what do I say, even making a 3D model is sooo goddamn easy compared to ripping a 3D model off of another game and porting it to Skyrim. Truly, that's a colossal task that deserves well above 1$ per sale. /s

[–]jagerx9C540, Z87, i7-4770K, R9 290, 4x4gb CL9, 1000G, NH-U9B SE2 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because good mods take time and effort. And we want modders to keep modding. I am not opposed to this. $1 for a solid mod, $5 for a game changer/extra content, etc.

[–]lupo_grigioFX-6300/ Radeon HD 6670 1GB/ 8GB RAM 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (8子コメント)

An introduction to a new level of greediness

[–]FrozenGamers 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Gaben needs his new golden shark tank.

[–]bachmaci7 4790 GTX 970 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just another money machine for the lord and savior Gaben.

Those words might hurt someone's feelings, but it doesn't make it any less true.

[–]large-farvax5680/R9-290 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it now costs money to break and crash your installation.

[–]Mithrawn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

People are freaking out and having a hissy fit because they think it will destroy free content. It won't. And they think they will somehow be forced to buy something they don't want. They aren't.