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[–]Drudictai7-3770k, 32GB, R9 280X, ASUS Sabertooth Z77 1286 ポイント1287 ポイント  (120子コメント)

I'm seeing a lot of mods for sale on there not uploaded by the actual creator of the mod.... it's being abused already.

[–]Rantehi5 4590 | GTX 970 | 8GB ram 609 ポイント610 ポイント  (64子コメント)

That is really really really not good

[–]dinklebobdinklebob 273 ポイント274 ポイント  (61子コメント)

Your emails are needed'

Seriously it takes NO EFFORT AT ALL. JUST FUCKING DO IT.

EDIT: Here's mine as an example. Don't copy-paste, you morons.

Due to Valve's decision to allow paying for mods, I will never buy another game on your service again until the policy is rescinded.

I have hundreds of games and thousands of hours logged.

This situation is unacceptable and I cannot even begin to express my disappointment in your company.

See? Doesn't need to be long and drawn out. You don't even need to make it so absolute. Just express yourself.

[–]Crowned_Son_of_Fire8350,290x,8gbDDR3 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Done. Sent to our lord.

[–]LiquidAurumi5 3570K, 7850 2GB 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (10子コメント)

send it straight to gaben

[–]FluffyCookieGoatlip 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

OR, it's really really really good. Of course the creator of the mods are not getting their deserved credit, but this way, Valve must see that their idea is fuck horrible, and they have to change it somehow or pull it down.

[–]TheSnailpower( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Who's up for a goddamn petition for this horseshit

[–]SirAplehttp://steamcommunity.com/id/AelasLeather 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I't im in, cause this is bullshit, good thing i use nexus.

[–]_Piggy_Steam ID Here[S] 220 ポイント221 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Is there even a way to combat this seeing that you cant really claim infringement on a mod

[–]Drudictai7-3770k, 32GB, R9 280X, ASUS Sabertooth Z77 142 ポイント143 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Other than link the original, no. I'll be notifying a few modders when I get home though.

[–]AlonzoCarlo 114 ポイント115 ポイント  (1子コメント)

wow all this sounds so unprofessional and seems like it has been made in a rush

[–]AllShallFearsteamcommunity.com/id/GhettoSmaug/ 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (12子コメント)

The original Author can use a DMCA takedown notice, but I'm sure that's gonna be a long and dragged out process.

[–]Jonbo298Jonbo298 83 ポイント84 ポイント  (10子コメント)

When someone is profiting off your work, a DMCA takedown is the easiest thing to do in this situation. Valve will respond.

[–]scyther34Intel i5 4690K, GTX 970 FTW, 16GB Ram 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (5子コメント)

If the support doesn't take a month to respond, then sure, it'll work

[–]Jonbo298Jonbo298 27 ポイント28 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Generally, a DMCA takedown notice doesn't go through traditional lines of support. It has to have a higher priority and a quick Google search explains the process.

[–]Black_Monkeygtx 770 4GB, i5 4670k 4.4GHz, 16GB DDR3 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (2子コメント)

If they don't remove it in a timely manner they open themselves up to a ton of legal issues.

[–]somerandomguy02 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I don't see why you can't claim infringement on a mod...? It's your code.

[–]tugate 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And for a lot of them, it's also your art. It is definitely infringement, whether the original was available for free or not.

Also, some of these mods may themselves be infringing... for example the Sange/Yasha swords. As free mods they wouldn't be much different from fan art or something, as marketed products that is not the case at all.

[–]vgrezende 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If Steam want to make this work, that should be their priority right now.

[–]DuderamusAsus z77 Sabertooth - i5-2500k - EVGA gtx 970 - 16gb ram 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Email GabeN directly, he'll kaibosh that shit, no? Someone said he's directly communicative with steamers.

[–]Mauler320Specs/Imgur Here 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They need to just get rid of it

[–]Skie_Killeri5 4460/GTX 970 Palit Jetstream 733 ポイント734 ポイント  (52子コメント)

4chan does make a good point.

This is OBSCENELY RETARDED.

WHAT IF THE MOD UPDATES AND BECOMES INCOMPATIBLE WITH MY SHIT WHAT IF THE GAME UPDATES AND BECOMES INCOMPATIBLE WHAT IF THE MOD TURNS OUT TO BE NOT WHAT I EXPECTED

BUYING MODS WOULD BE ALMOST AKIN TO GAMBLING. YOU'D BE TAKING AN IMMENSE LEAP OF FAITH JUST TO GET FUTA COCKS IN YOUR GAME

THE MODDER IS UNDER ---NO--- OBLIGATION TO FIX HIS SHIT OR MAKING COMPATIBLE WITH YOUR OTHER MODS.

RE TAR DED

[–]Pandemis 237 ポイント238 ポイント  (13子コメント)

4chan can be very very very good at hitting the nail right on the head.

[–]somepersononthewebSteam ID Here 72 ポイント73 ポイント  (8子コメント)

4chan is the anonymous web... when people don't give a shit about appearances or who said what, a lot of shit get sorted through.

The crazies that take advantage of it's free speech give it a bad name, but everyone else is usually great at explaining situations.

[–]NDWolfwood5268 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (5子コメント)

That's why I love 4chan. It's humans speaking their minds free of fear. You see what kind of people they are when no one is actually looking. I find they're actually pretty nice, if blunt and crude, and often speak truer than many analysts or journalists.

[–]ThePointedSteam ID Here 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Next up, Greenlight for Mods. "I've got this great idea for new particle effects, I just need your support!"

[–]Apkoha 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

oh man I can't wait!! Early access mods!!

[–]CompulsiveMinmaxing 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Think of the children futa cocks!

[–]HereticalnerdManwithoutplan 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can't stop thinking about the Futa cocks!

[–]CRBASF23Lap(dance)Top(less) 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (5子コメント)

TRUTH, also wouldn't this cause legal issues with Bethesda? Who are the owners of the base game and the tool that modders have used to create these mods? Has Valve thought about any of this before doing this?

[–]FatbaticusSLi GTX 780 | i5 4670k | 8gb DDR3 719 ポイント720 ポイント  (24子コメント)

This is not good news at all, main reason I love PC gaming is the modding community along with heaps of free content.

[–]Ohbliveeun_Mooveei5 3570K + GTX660ti 296 ポイント297 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Valve/Steam is pretty infamous for being far too powerful. Modders won't dream of uploading their work anywhere else but the workshop to secure those sweet, sweet shekels. So now Valve is trying to monopolize the PC community too.

Any money you send towards this scheme is undoubtedly harmful to the freedom that separates us from Consoles. Games industry, hurry up and crash already!

[–]questionable-sourcei5 4960s dual Asus 780Ti 16gb 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Yup. Like most people I'm not going to get mods from steam anymore. I'm sticking to nexus

[–]SummitTechEnterprisei7 4790k, 8gb ddr3, r7 260x, 512 gb ssd 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree 100%

This is not good news. How likely is it for Valve to rescind this program?

[–]MasenkoeYou expected specs, but it was me, DIO! 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Probably not likely, but we have the opportunity to be very vocal about this. Speak up and you have a say in things!

[–]SLiiDE101i7 4790k@4.6Ghz | GTX9704GB 1490 ポイント1491 ポイント  (127子コメント)

Why not just have a fucking donate button, This is a terrible idea.

[–]pcpietjeisl750Ti | Amd Fx-4130 | 8 Gigs ram | 166 ポイント167 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Srsly, now everyone will make their shitty mods paid.

[–]EgoPhoenixPC Übermensch 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (19子コメント)

Indeed, all you'll see in the free mods category will be crap and the decent mods will be paying :/

This is a horrible idea :(

[–]Burrito_Supremes 181 ポイント182 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Now we have to pirate mods, why buy the game at all?

[–]floccinaucin 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Not if no one buys them. PC communities are infamous for being good at boycotting things, after all.

[–]psivennGlorious PC Gaming Master Race 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Right! Remember when we banded together and drove EA, Activision, and Ubisoft out of business?

[–]tom0902000irateblackman 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I hope the modders will boycott Gaben this time as it is a bad move for pc gaming.

[–]Rantehi5 4590 | GTX 970 | 8GB ram 268 ポイント269 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I agree

[–]xzosimusxxzosimusx 253 ポイント254 ポイント  (7子コメント)

We need to form a clear, concise and composed email to send to Gaben directly. This system is already being abused where non-creators are uploading mods for sale and committing fraud. This is a HUGE mistake and WILL end up with legal action taken.

[–]Scarecrow3Specs/Imgur Here 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Dear Gaben,

Dafuq?

-PCMR

[–]xzosimusxxzosimusx 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

</thread>

Send to /u/GabeNewellBellevue or whatever his email is that is floating around.

[–]TooKawaii4MeThat Ironic Bastard 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (2子コメント)

gaben@valvesoftware.com

[–]motherfalckerIntel i5 4690K, MSI 280x 189 ポイント190 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Cause with "Donate", Valve and Bethesda don't receive their cut.

[–]TaintedSquirrelhttp://pcpartpicker.com/user/TaintedSquirrel/saved/xtKdnQ 101 ポイント102 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why not? They could just take x% of all donations. Easy. It's the same way they're getting a cut from current sales.

[–]motherfalckerIntel i5 4690K, MSI 280x 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, but Steam isn't the only middleman for Mods. I could go to, say, Nexus, or a modders personal site and donate and completely bypass Steam.

[–]DystopianFreakevlrd 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (1子コメント)

For many games, I could also buy the game directly from their site either DRM-free or on a different platform.

[–]Lussteri5-4570 3.2GHz, GTX-770 4gb, 8gb RAM 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Donate can still be cut between the maker and Valve/Bethesda. On twitch for example when you subscribe it splits the $5 to the streamer and to the twitch.

[–]CataChaos1320Steam ID Here 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That is subscription not donate, there is a difference. You receive benefits with a subscription.

[–]frenchpan 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think google does it on Youtube now. People can put a support thing on their channel and it goes through google. They take a cut and the rest goes to the youtuber.

[–]much_goodPresident Nixon 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm not risking my money on little mods, I'd rather try it out then be like "this shit good" and donate. People would pay more if there was an optional donation button rather than a fixed price.

Also promotes functional mods over pretty mods if there isn't a price but a donation

[–]ConanTheVagslayer 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I guess Valve wants a cut of those mod sales.

[–]IceciroNo PAYING for mods 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Valve gets a 75% 'cut'. It's more like they take all of the modder's work, sell it, and give them 1/4 as compensation.

Selling your dignity for a 25% cut is pretty low.

EDIT: Fair enough - Bethesda is probably also getting some of that 75% cut. But still. the idea that your goal is to 'help support creators' when you give them only a pittance, is ridiculous.

[–]modgoneMacBook Pro 15" Late 2013 16GB RAM, 750M , 512 GB 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I wonder why Valve choose fixed prices set by developers instead of having a donate or PWYW system in place.Its understandable if a lot of developers will have paid mods now since everyone wants to earn some money.

I truly hope it was a well thought decision made by Valve.

[–]instructi0ns_uncleari5 2500k + HD7970 568 ポイント569 ポイント  (22子コメント)

now I have to pirate fucking mods. RIP

[–]FrozenGamers 138 ポイント139 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Not really pirating, since they aren't copyrighted.

[–]TheSnailpower( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Will this make skyrim nexus illegal? Wtf valve

[–]ahornsirupFX 8350, HD7950, 16GB RAM 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (5子コメント)

No. If the creator of the mod uploads his work there, it's perfectly fine. If you do it with his/her permission, it's perfectly fine.

If you do it without the original authors permission, it's illegal copyright infringement. And that's nothing new.

[–]gestubegestube 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And I will do it anyway.

[–]TheSnailpower( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

but what if the creators all remove their mods from nexus and its only good when it's paid for?! WTF IS HAPPENING

[–]zuvembii5-3570, 32GB Ram, EVGA GTX 760 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Not true at all. Any 'work' someone produces is automatically copyrighted (in the US and most other countries).

This certainly includes mods just like any other creative expression - Movies, Books, Games, Scripts, etc.

[–]greedness 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So you're saying some modder can just rip off paid mods and give them away for free while accepting donations? Sounds like someone could make big bucks from this...

[–]TWPmercuryi7 4770k @4.9 |SLI 980 @1521 228 ポイント229 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Looking at some of the prices, it seems very much like a micro-transaction type setup. $0.99 for a staff? That's insane tbh. If every weapon I had in my game from mods was $1, it would cost more than the game at full price.

I think the only mods that should cost money are mods like Falskaar. And even that should only cost $1 in my opinion. How many people have Falskaar installed. Pretty much everyone I would imagine. That would be an amazing income for the creator, while not being unreasonable for someone to purchase.

[–]Magister_IngeniaAsus G751 - i7-4710HQ - 16GB DDR3 - GTX 980M 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I think the only mods that should cost money are mods like Falskaar.

And that would bring the issue of who gets paid, considering the amount of people who worked on Falskaar. I can see this ending with mods of that size no longer being made, because of money disputes.

[–]TheOmnisicient 49 ポイント50 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Mods are supposed to be done by volunteered fans who wants to add someting to the base game. if it turns into a frikkin business it will be a huge pile of shit. oh god i can see it already.

[–]glorkcakes 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

theres nothing wrong with paying modders for their work but this is a silly way to do it

[–]TheOmnisicient 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's why there is donating, but once this turn into a business model the lack of creativity you have whence it was a hobby , will kill it. modders will mod for the sake of money not for the sake of fun and creativity.

[–]BlackbeardsSonhampstamp 334 ポイント335 ポイント  (29子コメント)

This kills the master race

[–]Mtax/id/Mtaxio 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (27子コメント)

[–]TheDark1105 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I was thinking that too, but then it occurred to me that mod authors could just not host their mods there anymore. Even if you got the mod before removal the only way to get the updated versions of the mod would be to buy it on Steam.

I really don't like this.

[–]KreskyNot actually a Mac Heathen, I just want some fabulous pink 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Just wait until mods have exclusive "Premium Edition" versions exclusively on the Workshop.

Oh wait, it seems like it's already happening. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=429561499

Arissa 1.3 is, and will forever be, available for free here.

Kinda implies he's not going to release v2 for free.

[–]MasenkoeYou expected specs, but it was me, DIO! 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Midas Magic is now also split into "free" and "gold" editions. It's bullshit.

[–]CursedJonasi5 2500k 3.3 Ghz Quadcore, nVidia GTX 970 3.5 GB, 8 GB RAM 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

inb4 Valve sues them for allowing people to download content for free that costs money.

[–]Hoser117 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah, but what happens when people decide to move to the Steam Workshop so they can make money?

I'm sure there will always be people willing to make free mods, but I don't see how this doesn't somehow affect those sites. Nexus already has a donation option, so obviously there is some interest by modders for making money.

[–]Operoni 292 ポイント293 ポイント  (48子コメント)

Wtf, what even is this?

[–]_Piggy_Steam ID Here[S] 115 ポイント116 ポイント  (38子コメント)

They have introduced a new marketplace for modders to sell their creations. Not sure if this is good or bad. It supports the modders but then again why should we pay for mods

[–]modgoneMacBook Pro 15" Late 2013 16GB RAM, 750M , 512 GB 149 ポイント150 ポイント  (19子コメント)

I doubt it will be perceived as a good change.A "Debut Bundle Pack" with 17 items ( most of them weapons ) costs 26.52 EUR while the base game costs 15 EUR.I would say its just too much for some mods.I would be glad to support the developers with a "pay what you want" system, not fixed prices.

[–]ValannorSteam ID Here 130 ポイント131 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'd support a "pay if you want" system.

[–]masterflapdroldual core i5 1.6ghz & Intel HD 3000 ;-; Steam: Inverted Silence 90 ポイント91 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I wouldn't pay jack shit. Wasn't ad-fly a thing?

[–]gthkenohttp://steamcommunity.com/id/gertman 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'd say ads are the best option, people using the mod in general end up giving them money through ads. Donations on the side wouldn't hurt either.

[–]masterflapdroldual core i5 1.6ghz & Intel HD 3000 ;-; Steam: Inverted Silence 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

do you want mods to go in the direction that mobile games did? (at least if you're talking about in-game ads). Ad-fly worked fine. Even if it was a chain of five of them I would be cool with it. Every once in a while you see a really good mod. like thaumcraft 4 for minecraft. I seriously consider donating to him now.

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I wouldn't pay jack shit

You say that, but seeing the prices some guys put on their mods, I would gladly pay them in shit without even taking their mod.

[–]jdmgtoTyyrlym 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (6子コメント)

then again why should we pay for mods

Same reason you pay for anything, the creator's time and effort. If someone wants to sell their mod I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be able to.

That said, if there was a donate button I'd be much more open to it than an upfront charge. Given how easily one mod can break another or your entire game I wouldn't pay $5 for a mod that I don't even know will work.

[–]z64dansteamcommunity.com/id/boners 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They definitely need some kind of donation option for mod uploaders instead.

Takes you to the "buy" page, where you get 3 buttons:

  • Donate from your Steam Wallet
  • Donate from your Inventory (like, give the dev trading cards that they can sell)
  • Just get the mod for free

That being said, I think it should be an option, and modders should be allowed to charge outright for mods if they want to. Although I think they'd make more money with the donation option, personally...

[–]lupo_grigioFX-6300/ Radeon HD 6670 1GB/ 8GB RAM 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (7子コメント)

An introduction to a new level of greediness

[–]ValannorSteam ID Here 292 ポイント293 ポイント  (14子コメント)

They are not mods this way, they are fan made DLCs and micro transactions. Also a terrible idea, we need to be able to donate instead.

[–]1080Pizza 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Modders on Nexus can choose to allow donations for their work.

Nexus is the only site where you should be downloading Skyrim mods anyway because the Workshop is terrible with its automatic updates.

It really sucks if we're going to get Workshop exclusive mods because I don't want to deal with automatic unexpected mod updates breaking my game. A complex Skyrim mod installation is a fragile thing.

I get that it's very useful from a feedback/bug report standpoint to be sure that all users of your mod are using the same version, but an option to turn this off would be very useful. I've been modding Bethesda games for over 10 years, I know what I'm doing.

[–]sectionizerhaha no 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it doesn't crash and give you a hard time for 3 hours when you first launch it, you ain't modded it enough yet.

[–]_Piggy_Steam ID Here[S] 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yeah I was thinking that as soon as I read it. This pay wall will just cause mods ,which otherwise would have been popular, to be unplayed

[–]pcgameggod 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

They are not mods this way, they are fan made DLCs and micro transactions.

Is there any quality control here? does bethesda have a say like valve does in csgo and tf2? , its ok in them games because there is some quality control of the items added.

These are mods

[–]gestubegestube 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Spam Valve. Tell them this is unacceptable.

Man fuck gaben. Fuck valve.

[–]pcgameggod 84 ポイント85 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Buy mods

Game gets random update

Mods don't work

gj guys

[–]gunnolfi5-4690K/GeForce GTX 980 144 ポイント145 ポイント  (8子コメント)

I've figured it out! We are seeing less and less content in games because they want US to make their games for them!

They will take a cut of course...

[–]ValannorSteam ID Here 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think you are right, considering the mod bundle is more expensive than the game itself!

[–]Mtax/id/Mtaxio 111 ポイント112 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Some facts:

-Mods that were free are now require paying for it. Genius.

-If you have skyrim via steam share, you CANNOT even download pay-what-you-want mods. Not even can pay fucking 1 cent - button is grayed out.

-Due to up thing I'll have my friends fucked up due to requests of paying 0,01€ for mods and uploading it to me

-Due to up again - This starts mod piracy (lol)

-Steam community has started to battle in comments with comments like "Fuck dlc", etc.

-Comments for paid mods were turned off 10 minutes ago. xDDDD

-Want an new fishing animations? Pay 4€

[–]sectionizerhaha no 67 ポイント68 ポイント  (3子コメント)

-Comments for paid mods were turned off 10 minutes ago.

D A M A G E C O N T R O L

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Well they're not very good at it, because the rest of the internet is still pretty much exploding.

[–]BrainiEpicOn my old-ass laptop with K70 being the newest thing I have. 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha, yeah. Exactly.

[–]TiPSY112FX 6300, GTX 760 TwinFrozr Gaming OC, 8GB RAM, 2TBHDD 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Valve have been so fucking awful the past few years with steam right now i bet people will be abusing it by uploading mods they don't own. Here's the thing if you wish to give back to a mod creator simply donate to them and it's all good. This is getting out of hand. First problem is the terrible customer service secondly they don't curate the steam store and now they come up with this magnificent idea.....Good job Valve!

[–]SwedishWhale4670K, Strix R9 280 226 ポイント227 ポイント  (24子コメント)

I gotta get this off my chest - Valve aren't as great as this sub makes them out to be. Don't get me wrong, they've given us stuff like Half-life, Portal and Steam, which is great. But Valve's latest business moves have done nothing but harm the consumers and, in the case of CS:GO, their own games. They do everything they can to squeeze more money out of us (understandable, they DO need funding) but the way they do it is absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention that they could stop working as a whole and live off the money they've made from Dota and CS.

I know we practically worship Gabe Newell and Valve, but we can't leave them screw us over. We are a PC gaming community first and foremost, these people have to listen to us, we vote with our wallets. I'm not saying "boycott Steam, boys!", but we have to make our voice heard, we all know how bad Valve is at communicating.

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 109 ポイント110 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Yeah, I know. "You die a hero or live long enough to be the villain".

Seems like Valve lived for too long.

[–]EmpRebEmpReb 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Yup^ this pretty much makes them EA at this point if not worse because of the practical monopoly they have on the market.

[–]KreskyNot actually a Mac Heathen, I just want some fabulous pink 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I know we practically worship Gabe Newell and Valve

I pray that "we" is decreasing as fast as possible. They've been going downhill for quite a while, but it seems like they finally kicked the wrong bucket for a large portion of people.

[–]SnapLackOfTractioni5 3570k, HD7870 XT, 8GB 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Sorry, but are we going to continue the whole Lord Gaben bullshit?! Valve are great, yeah fuck that. This man, with his greed is going to destroy one of the things that makes us so much better than the consoles. I am not again paying for quality content, I am 100% for donations to modders that make great content, like the Black Mesa guys, or the people doing the Skyrim overhaul with new story, but asking money for them in order to legally acquire them is just not the right way.

And no TF2 hats and CS:GO skins are in no way the same, CS skins can be seen by others and meke you feel unique in a MP game, but Skyrim is SP. I understand that people want to make money on their creations and if companies like Bethesda wants to make more money on them, good, but this is not the way. This can turn into Early Access system of exploitation, a staff that can be done with zero effort 99 cents. But 99 cents on a skin makes somewhat of a sense, 99 cents staff is no better than horse armor.

[–]hoy89i5-3570k, GTX 760 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

99 cents on something that may be incompatible with your other mods, 99 cents wasted either way.

[–]FlappyPMROne Day. One day! 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I ain't paying shit for mods

I never have and never will.

[–]pcgameggod 194 ポイント195 ポイント  (24子コメント)

Can i remind EVERYONE here that modders are going to come out and say "but i cant possibly create content without donations" which is bullshit

THey have been doing it for years, do not believe their lies, youtubers say the same thing and there was tons of content before monetisation.

edit: like someone said they could have just added a "donate" button, but nope paywalled.

[–]gunnolfi5-4690K/GeForce GTX 980 63 ポイント64 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Spot on, they're monetizing something that was a labor of love. Modders make their mods because well, they want to play these mods themselves. I'd be all for a "support this mod" donation option but when others are taking a cut and it is purely a profit based decision I think it's a little ridiculous.

[–]P3X-639 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That's the thing. I've donated to the Ultimate Apocalypse mod, but I did it because I wanted to support THEM! Because the mod was so good. Not for Steam to take a slice out. And if it's anything like the DotA2 items, they eat the lions share of the purchase. No. Just fucking no. Even if in principle I wanted to help out the modders, I'm not doing it though this shit.

*Edit. I didn't mean in if in principle i wanted to help out the modders as a general statement. Read it as, I really like what these guys and gals have done and I'd want to help them.

[–]RaepmanCX 600W, GTX 660 ti AMP! 2gb/8gb, Corsair 8gb Black Veng. 171 ポイント172 ポイント  (17子コメント)

GABEN BETRAYED US TO THE HERESY

ONLY GOG IS LEFT!

[–]Lasota poor GT640 owner ;_ ; 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

AT LEAST GOG HAS HEROES III COMPLETE EDITION!

[–]pcpietjeisl750Ti | Amd Fx-4130 | 8 Gigs ram | 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (4子コメント)

BUT MY 200 GAMES THEN ?!?!?!???

[–]RaepmanCX 600W, GTX 660 ti AMP! 2gb/8gb, Corsair 8gb Black Veng. 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

ITS ALL HERESY NOW BROTHER

GABEN SOLD HIS AND VALVE'S SOUL TO THE DARK GODS OF ZENIMAX

ONLY GOG AND CLASSIC GAMING IS LEFT

[–]Thomas_HeatonGTX 660, Intel i5 4440k, Asus B85-Pro, 8GB Corsair RAM 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (2子コメント)

ValvEA anyone?

[–]instructi0ns_uncleari5 2500k + HD7970 85 ポイント86 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Horse Armor - workshop edition

[–]BlackbeardsSonhampstamp 280 ポイント281 ポイント  (22子コメント)

This is the worst fucking thing they could have ever done.

Valve just single handedly killed the PC Master Race.

"nooo, the mods will still be free at nexus!!!" No. Modders wont even upload their mods to Nexus anymore. Everyone will want some of that mod-money.

And the worst part? This is only the beginning.

What comes next? DRM on mods? Devs not even making full games because "modders will fix it/add content"?

And you just know that there will be retards who actually buy this shit too, putting the wheels of this shit machine in motion.

This is so fucking horrible.

I am furious.

[–]BlackbeardsSonhampstamp 86 ポイント87 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The next TES game (and after that other AAA titles will follow) will just be the construction kit and some assets.

Calling it now.

[–]pcpietjeisl750Ti | Amd Fx-4130 | 8 Gigs ram | 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (0子コメント)

not even assets, just a .txt file with nothing, "modders will fix it"

[–]SimoHaloPC Master Race[🍰] 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Only if people are dumb enough to give them money in the first place, if you don't give them money they will stop this.

[–]dinklebobdinklebob 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

As much as I want people to be smart, one need look no farther than the state of launch day DLC to see just how fucked we really are.

[–]Pjb3005I5, 8 GB RAM, GTX 660 TI 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

already way more than 200 $ has been spent on those mods already

this REALLY is just the beginning

[–]fenrirdarkwolfchezmarine 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Is today the First of April and I didn't realize it?

[–]ratchet3789GTX 680 | i5 2500k | 16 GB DDR3 | 4TB HDD | 80 ポイント81 ポイント  (6子コメント)

We really need to start saying no to this kind of junk. I feel that it is ridiculous, Early Access was a bad enough idea. Why not have a Donate button... why do we have to pay?

[–]CursedJonasi5 2500k 3.3 Ghz Quadcore, nVidia GTX 970 3.5 GB, 8 GB RAM 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are even Early Access mods!

From the "Art of the Catch" page

Art of the Catch is early in development

[–]Biogeopaleochem 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (3子コメント)

why do we have to pay?

We don't.

[–]TaintedSquirrelhttp://pcpartpicker.com/user/TaintedSquirrel/saved/xtKdnQ 93 ポイント94 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I know I'm jumping to conclusions and all, but this is the single worst thing to ever happen to PC gaming.

[–]OldManWafflez 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Valve taking 75% rofl, where is the guy with the gabe newell bedsheets? I want his thoughts on this.

[–]pyrodonkeyProject Refresh Master Race 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I could just imagine this in other games. Imagine if the original Dark Souls charged for mods and everyone had to pay to use DSFix. Or even if we all had to pay to use SkyUI, a mod that makes the UI in the game much more PC friendly. It would suck pretty bad.

I honestly think it would be much better if Valve had a support option where people could donate to the mod creator. People who want to pay will, and people who don't want to pay could enjoy their mod.

[–]metaldragon199/id/MetalDragon>>imgur.com/a/2vnA4 68 ポイント69 ポイント  (14子コメント)

mods have a 24 hour refund policy

steam games no refund policy

ffs valve

COME ON GET YOUR SHIT TOGETHER

[–]P3X-639 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yes but notice this great item in their QA: Q. What happens if a mod I bought breaks? A. Sometimes one mod may modify the same files as another mod, or a particular combination of mods may cause unexpected outcomes. If you find that mod has broken or is behaving unexpectedly, it is best to post politely on the Workshop item's page and let the mod author know the details of what you are seeing.

Notice how it says nothing about what happens if an author decides to tell you to take a leap? I'm assuming then it's time to use their regular no-refunds refund policy.

[–]M_Rams 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah i'm sure people will try to fix those 100+ mods Skyrims (like mine) when they break.

[–]xebbJonPon 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Buy a mod, save it on your PC, ask for refund. Profit.

[–]attackzac21Steam ID Here 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (3子コメント)

lol when mod makers begin making "demo versions" of mods

[–]KreskyNot actually a Mac Heathen, I just want some fabulous pink 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Inb4 mod use DRM now.

Inb4 a new "piracy vs modder DRM" war breaks out. Sweet jesus Valve, the fuck have you just done.

[–]Wyattboy 87 ポイント88 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Meh, dont really like this idea. Gaben sort your shit out.

[–]gestubegestube 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This sub is too mild. You're blind with your love for gaben you're not realizing hes fucking you right now.

[–]killurconsole7990 C 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (3子コメント)

this guy is selling a debut pack for 28.68$ http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=429374670&searchtext=

the more they do that the more i will stay away from steam

[–]pepolplai7-4770k 3.5 GHz | GTX 780 | 16GB 1600MHz 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Respect for Isoku = Lost

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Downvoted that stupid pack.

[–]pcgameggod 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Fuck this shit.

[–]Chuck_Morris_SESpecs/Imgur Here 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Authors of mods get 25%, so 75% is shared between Steam, Bethesda and the Devil.

http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/about/?appid=72850#Earning

Yeah. Fuck you Steam.

[–]ADAMPOKE111Can't handle CS:GO on lowest settings1024x768. #2poor4u 35 ポイント36 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I expected better from you Valve, why not just let us donate to the creators, rather than make the creator set a fucking price?

[–]Cepheus-Starhowl 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This... is not good.

Wet & Cold for $4.99? I downloaded it for free not two days ago.

What is this nonsense, and how do we stop it?

[–]Above_Reason 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I say we RIOT. NOW!

[–]KX321i5 4670 @ 3.4 | GTX 970 | 8GB 37 ポイント38 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a real shame. One of the main selling points of PC gaming, at least for me, was the extra hours and hours of content that can be enjoyed through mods for FREE.

Now it's essentially DLC just not from the game's original developer.

[–]teza789 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't some mods need SKSE? Doesn't that mean there will be mods sold that uses someone elses work? Bloody GG

[–]KurtkillbaneIntel core i5 4440| 8GB RAM| r9-290 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (39子コメント)

Saw it, it's actually there. But why do that when you can get it for free off nexus, doesn't make sense.

Also, I've waited almost two months for skyrim to go on sale, and it never did. So I finally bought it two days ago for $10 off /r/steamgameswap, now the games on sale for fucking $5, $13 with all the DLC. Fuck me.

[–]SsilversmithBenjiboo 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (21子コメント)

The best mods are on Nexus any ways. Workshop is great for those little mods, but if I'm going with something big it's always better to download the files directly. And Nexus, as far as I know, will never create a "pay to play" button. Besides, if good mods do end up behind a pay wall, and they end up popular, I can only see a black waving jolly roger in that mod's future.

[–]jack-dawedi5 4690k | G1 GTX 980 | Maximus Hero VII | 840 Pro 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

You know what's going to happen? Modders will slowly stop updating their mods in nexus to force people to migrate to SteamWorkshop.
This kills the community.

[–]JelskiproJelskipr0 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

there should be a donation button. As a modder myself i think mods should be free and not paid.

[–]Annies_Boobsi5 4670k | AMD Sapphire 280X | 8GB DDR3 1866 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My jimmies are pretty rustled by this but the only positive I can come up with is that it might get developers to be more open to modding since they can get a cut.

Otherwise

RIP STEAM 2003 - 2015

EDIT: Maybe they can use some of that new cashflow and throw it at a support team that doesn't suck, maybe even a phone number that us customers can call! I know, that's a lot to ask for in 2015.

[–]zb0t1Specs/Imgur Here 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (3子コメント)

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[–]EricIsEric 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Wow, with Greenlight shit games, no customer support, and now this Steam is really going to shit, Orgin and GoG are preferable to Steam at this point, get your shit together Valve.

[–]iCeCoCaCoLa64steamcommunity.com/id/icecocacola64 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because Valve doesn't make enough fucking money already.

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Midas Magic 5€49? Wet and Cold 4€59? What the fuck are these insane prices? If I paid for one of these mods, it'd be 30 cents for both maximum, not 5€!

[–]arceus927FX 6300 4.5 GHz | GTX 970 | 8GB 1600MHz | 840 EVO 120GB 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (1子コメント)

/u/GabeNewellBellevue What the fuck have you done?

[–]icebishopxnot a SteamBot/Hardware fanboy 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Guess its time to pirate some mods now... :/

Seriously though, it will come to that.

[–]SebayaKetoSteam ID Here 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Probably, since Wet and Cold for instance has released their 2.0 update Steam Workshop only

[–]Magister_IngeniaAsus G751 - i7-4710HQ - 16GB DDR3 - GTX 980M 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Someone at the nexus made a good point about this: what happens to mods with lots of contributors? Mods that use other mods? Who gets paid, how much? Will it be too much work to figure out, so they just won't get made?

[–]Ohbliveeun_Mooveei5 3570K + GTX660ti 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is a pretty crazy topic: From the thread on 8chan

[–]Kyphros<== Steam \ FX8350 | Corsair 16GB 1600MHz | R9 280 OC Sapphire 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd like to see Wet and Cold 2.0 get a DMCA in the face. Fuck this modder.

[–]ChileanGalSteam ID Here 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Remember when mods were free its almost like if it was yesterday.

Nexus creators are going to leave and go infest worksho with skins and models.

We can take mods out of the things that PC was better than consoles

[–]G4MEkendrick_ 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I really don't like this change. I might aswell just end up not using any mod in the workshop and just get it somewhere else. If thats not possible fuck the mod and move on. Modders mod games because they enjoy it, donate if you want to help them no need to give valve even more money...

[–]SpaceWolf987http://i.imgur.com/zE2swDn.jpg 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

http://www.nexusmods.com Forget about the workshop. This place right here has it all!

[–]SaintzYT 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

zzz wtf gaben plz

[–]gutigenSpecs/Imgur Here 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think it will become same bullshit as with items for games where no one treats it as a hobby or passion, but more like a job and where money are involved creativity always hurts.

RIP Modding Scene

[–]rainbowcthulhum5a78l-m lx plus. fx-6300 @ 3.8 Ghz. gtx760. 8gb ram. 1 hdd. 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The true mobile experience

[–]dzakadzakaPC FTW 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Steam.. what are you doing bro?

EDIT: If this is whats happening, I'll be getting my mods elsweyr...

[–]BlueManGroup10http://steamcommunity.com/id/Aeasala/ 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Inb4 the GMod workshop is trashed with $20 FNaF saves

[–]JelskiproJelskipr0 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this will ruin mod communities

[–]OneDoesNotSimplyPassR9 280X/Intel i5-2400/ASRock Z75 Pro3/Corsair CX600M/8GB DDR3 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The fuck?

No...the only reason the fucking modding community has become as revered and wonderful as it is is because of the content being free.

VALVE DON'T YOU DARE FUCK THIS UP GOD DAMNIT

[–]Aries_czhttp://steamcommunity.com/id/ariescz 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Is it just me or is Valve trying to dig a hole lately?

[–]FlemtalityI Make Poopie 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (6子コメント)

If you start charging money for mods you need a robust return policy that Steam does not have. What happens when half of this mods are inevitably broken?

This seems like an all around terrible idea.

[–]CalebDKSTEAM_0:0:21598762 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Nexus just became the greatest mod site ever. Oh wait.. Already was.

[–]AngryJESUS1014770k @ 4.5ghz, 16gb RAM @ 1866, GTX 970 @ 1.5ghz 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Such dark times we live in.

[–]TheAmazing_OMEGA 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

We can always just torrent the mods. people do it with games, movies ect. now we can do it with mods

[–]Anthraksisteamcommunity.com/id/anthraxi 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, there should be two options in the Workshop. "Subscribe" which is the same it has been thus far and then the other one "Subscribe and Donate" which is exactly what it says. No need to paywall mods, this will result in a trainwreck...

[–]EnjoiThatGingei7 4770k R9 290 Windforce 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Fuck Valve, Fuck Bethesda, this is some EA bullshit

[–]OnSnowWhiteWings 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Hahaha, what the fuck is steam even doing? Have they gotten too complacent in their dominating role as a digital distributor?

They seem to have completely halted all forms of innovation (including actually making games) and just seem to be monetizing every corner, even going so far as to flood their store with shitty half-ass Early Access games.

[–]Wulfgar_RIP 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

this is terrible idea. this will harm pc experience

[–]OviraptorGamingSteam name: OviraptorGaming 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We need to start a petition to make them free again.

[–]InterimFatGuyArmok God of Blood 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is a terrible fucking joke, Steam.

[–]TitillatingTarantula 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Begun, the age of mod piracy has.

[–]SexyKOT69http://steamcommunity.com/id/kr_kot/ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

To people saying it's going to break the modding thing - it won't.

People won't buy most of the stuff and it will die down.

However, it might open up a new scene of mods where people will create campaigns and more expansive mods like that, something that requiers more time, dedication, man-hours, and otherwise wouldn't exist without monetary input.

And if it won't, then the system will be removed altogether.

[–]polysyllabistpolysyllabist 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is awful and I'm going to take a moment to concisely say why.

Right now, there is no shortage of quality mods. People make mods, for fun, because they want to, without monetary compensation. Money was never the reward.

But money incentivizes all kinds of shady practices. You'll see shit mods galore with click-baity titles and promises, where more effort is put into the thumbnail than the mod, with rating scams to shoot their products to the top drowning out the real moods made for real reasons; love of the game.

This will not create a utopia of content creation. This will create a cluster fuck of an app store. Fuck steam for every thinking this was a good idea.

[–]machine_addict 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The beginning of the end? What's next? $19.99 a month for Steam Platinum? You can't access your games unless you can pay your bill?

EDIT (I made a sales pitch for them!): Starting next year: Steam Platinum! $19.99 a month for unlimited access to all your games. Don't have $19.99? That's OK! $10.99 gets you up to 40 hours of play time on any two of the titles you've purchased!!! Want more? Steam Ultra is only $29.99 a month and get's you access to a huge library of game mods!

[–]JediDM99JediDM99 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

EMAIL VALVE.

Just do it. If you don't like this (which is pretty much a given), TELL THEM. We won't put up with this shit.

EMAIL VALVE.

[–]N3RO-Specs/Imgur Here 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Those stupid companies are really ruining the gaming scene, what will happen to gaming in 4-5 years? =/

[–]NigerianpoopslayerCS:GO Skinmaster 9000 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well this is fucking stupid.