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12 Reasons Why Going Vegan Is The Best Way to Solve California's Drought (peta.org)
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[–]ballisti -30 ポイント-29 ポイント-28 ポイント 2 時間 前 (49子コメント)
Please STFU about your vegan Bullshit, no one cares. Take your smug face and shove it up your ass.
[–]IDGAFsorry[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 2 時間 前 (48子コメント)
Are you okay?
[–]ballisti -21 ポイント-20 ポイント-19 ポイント 2 時間 前 (47子コメント)
Yes, I have a well rounded diet. You are the one lacking nutrition.
[–]IDGAFsorry[S] 18 ポイント19 ポイント20 ポイント 2 時間 前 (46子コメント)
So you're worried about me? Oh! No need! Meat and dairy isn't necessary for my health. I used to think they same way only a few months ago, but fortunately all the information is right here on the internet. :)
[–]ballisti -17 ポイント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント 2 時間 前* (45子コメント)
Haha...yes believe everything you read, that's a good little indoc.
[–]IDGAFsorry[S] 13 ポイント14 ポイント15 ポイント 2 時間 前 (44子コメント)
If I believed everything I read I would continue to consume meat and dairy, since that's the dominant ideal in my culture.
Is it really not common knowledge in California that animal agriculture is the biggest manmade cause of climate change and a huge contribution to the drought issues within the state?
[–]ballisti -19 ポイント-18 ポイント-17 ポイント 2 時間 前 (43子コメント)
Your feelings have nothing to do with Science. Eating Meat is Instinct, as we are Omnivores. Not eating meat is a choice based on pseudoscience and 'happy' feelings.
[–]IDGAFsorry[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 2 時間 前* (42子コメント)
It is perfectly healthy to live on a vegan diet, though like I said, I didn't know this myself until not that long ago so I can see how you were led to believe otherwise. The belief that the first world needs factory farmed meat and dairy is destroying our water supplies, our health and our environment and that is scientific fact.
American Dietetic Association
It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.
Dietitians of Canada
A well planned vegan diet can meet all of these needs. It is safe and healthy for pregnant and breastfeeding women, babies, children, teens and seniors.
The British National Health Service
With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.
The British Nutrition Foundation
A well-planned, balanced vegetarian or vegan diet can be nutritionally adequate ... Studies of UK vegetarian and vegan children have revealed that their growth and development are within the normal range.
The Dietitians Association of Australia
Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. They differ to other vegetarian diets in that no animal products are usually consumed or used. Despite these restrictions, with good planning it is still possible to obtain all the nutrients required for good health on a vegan diet.
The United States Department of Agriculture
Vegetarian diets (see context) can meet all the recommendations for nutrients. The key is to consume a variety of foods and the right amount of foods to meet your calorie needs. Follow the food group recommendations for your age, sex, and activity level to get the right amount of food and the variety of foods needed for nutrient adequacy. Nutrients that vegetarians may need to focus on include protein, iron, calcium, zinc, and vitamin B12.
The National Health and Medical Research Council
Alternatives to animal foods include nuts, seeds, legumes, beans and tofu. For all Australians, these foods increase dietary variety and can provide a valuable, affordable source of protein and other nutrients found in meats. These foods are also particularly important for those who follow vegetarian or vegan dietary patterns. Australians following a vegetarian diet can still meet nutrient requirements if energy needs are met and the appropriate number and variety of serves from the Five Food Groups are eaten throughout the day. For those eating a vegan diet, supplementation of B12 is recommended.
The Mayo Clinic
A well-planned vegetarian diet (see context) can meet the needs of people of all ages, including children, teenagers, and pregnant or breast-feeding women. The key is to be aware of your nutritional needs so that you plan a diet that meets them.
The Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada
Vegetarian diets (see context) can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits.
[+]xander1100 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 2 時間 前 (34子コメント)
Read the actual article by the ADA- it says that use of supplements for vegans is a necessity for a healthy diet. Considering there's no supplement tree, he is right. It's not our natural diet. There are also TONS of pseudoscience regarding veganism. Today I literally saw a vegan claim that humans are the only primates that can turn starch to glucose. We're talking pseudoscience level full retard. You yourself used pseudoscience. No legitimate authority on climate change said that animal ag is the leading cause . You're misquoting a UN report that theorized it was one of the top 3 causes... Which of course is still reliant upon the theory that humans contribute significant to climate change being true. It's also well known that veganism is more based off emotion than logic. You see "murder" (quotes because you're attempting to use a label that doesn't actually fit for emotional response), I see molecules that provide various benefits to my own body.
[–]IDGAFsorry[S] 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 1 時間 前 (8子コメント)
use of supplements for vegans is a necessity for a healthy diet
Yes - I strongly recommend vegans supplement with B12. Because we wash our veggies in the modern world (for good reason), we can't get enough B12 this way anymore. Omnivores can get B12 second hand via meat, but many are deficient in B12 even still. B12 is the only pill I take, and it's really no bother.
Ok, let's look at it this way:
70 billion animals are farmed (for under 7 billion humans on the planet). This causes air, ground and water pollution, increased transport and increased methane. The amount of water, land and energy needed to create the amount of meat to meet demand is unsustainable, and yet you say this is of no concern?
Meat is not magic. The 'molecules' found in meat can be found elsewhere, and they wouldn't be second hand either.
[–]plorry 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 時間 前 (9子コメント)
I see molecules that provide various benefits to my own body.
Creepy way to look at the world, dude.
Humans are just molecules. The ability to experience a fulfilling life, or suffer pain, are emergent properties of the arrangement of our molecules. To say, "I don't want to cause harm where I have a reasonable alternative" is not an emotional argument; it's being logically consistent.
[–]Mongoosen42 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 1 時間 前 (3子コメント)
No legitimate authority on climate change said that animal ag is the leading cause . You're misquoting a UN report that theorized it was one of the top 3 causes...
this peer reviewed world bank funded report puts the percentage of greenhouse gasses contributed by animal agriculture at 51%. So right there your statement is wrong. A legitimate authority does say animal ag is the leading cause. But obviously there's some disagreement, so let's examine that.
The older estimate funded by the UN that you refer to was 18%, (which even in that report put it as the second leading cause and significantly ahead of transportation) but This article does a good job of explaining the differences between the two studies, and why the World Bank funded study is actually more reliable. For your convenience, here is a a listed summary I put together of the points in that article.
Livestock [like automobiles] are a human invention and convenience, not part of pre-human times, and a molecule of CO2 exhaled by livestock is no more natural than one from an auto tailpipe
ton for ton methane contributes to global warming 23 times more than C02 when viewed over a 100-year timeframe, and 72 times more over a 20-year timeframe
Additionally, whereas most industries can only achieve significant GHG emission reductions through a switch to renewable energy (which will necessitate some 20 years and $18 trillion dollars for the development of sufficient infrastructure), the livestock industry is unique in that most of its emissions do not come from energy use but from biological processes.[27] Thus, while enormous obstacles stand in the way of widespread implementation of renewable energies, significant reductions in livestock populations on the other hand can be accomplished with relative ease (made all the easier by forthcoming meat replacement technologies). And, with the industry as the world’s leading methane and total GHG emitter, reductions here would have a greater (and, importantly, quicker) positive environmental impact. While governments continue to struggle to agree on measures that would increase renewable energy infrastructure significantly, alternatives to livestock products could be scaled up quickly to reduce today’s grave risk of climate change significantly.
Additionally, whereas most industries can only achieve significant GHG emission reductions through a switch to renewable energy (which will necessitate some 20 years and $18 trillion dollars for the development of sufficient infrastructure), the livestock industry is unique in that most of its emissions do not come from energy use but from biological processes.[27]
Thus, while enormous obstacles stand in the way of widespread implementation of renewable energies, significant reductions in livestock populations on the other hand can be accomplished with relative ease (made all the easier by forthcoming meat replacement technologies). And, with the industry as the world’s leading methane and total GHG emitter, reductions here would have a greater (and, importantly, quicker) positive environmental impact.
While governments continue to struggle to agree on measures that would increase renewable energy infrastructure significantly, alternatives to livestock products could be scaled up quickly to reduce today’s grave risk of climate change significantly.
One other bit of yours that I would like to address.
It's also well known that veganism is more based off emotion than logic.
Funny, because a statement like this is neither scientific nor logical. It's a perception. And depending on the vegan in question it may be an accurate perception, but you can not make such a broad statement about veganism. It is not "well known", it is "commonly perceived". However, I for one take an almost purely logical view on veganism. I am not an emotional person. I am vegan because I think the logic and ethics behind veganism is far superior to the logic behind carnism. Vegan ethics follow a very simple logical pattern that sees consistent application to all circumstances; that is to say vegan ethics are never confronted by a situation in which they must be contradicted. Carnist ethics however are often confronted by situations in which they must be contradicted. Veganism is by far the more logical system of ethics.
[–]yourlycantbsrs 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 1 時間 前 (5子コメント)
You're on a computer. That's not natural. Is it bad to be in a computer because it's not natural?
[–]Gourmay 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 33 分 前 (1子コメント)
Guess what? Most of the artificial production of B12 (as well as a bunch of other vitamins and minerals) is actually fed to cattle because they no longer graze. Vegans take it in a tablet directly, you take it in a packaged animal. It's basically the same thing.
http://www.ancare.com.au/SiteCollectionDocuments/usr/vitamin_b12_deficiency.pdf
[+]ballisti スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 1 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Sadly, Vegans are similar to liberals, and usually are both, and in both cases they are unable to understand Logic and Reason.
[+]ballisti スコアが基準値未満のコメント-18 ポイント-17 ポイント-16 ポイント 2 時間 前 (6子コメント)
Paleo is the healthiest way to eat, vegan is a vegetarian that is hell bent on being a SJW for animals.
[–]yourlycantbsrs 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 1 時間 前 (5子コメント)
Do you have any data to support your claim?
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