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Subreddit Ruling: Richard Lewis (self.leagueoflegends)

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[–]Lshrsh 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (27子コメント)

What about all the times you as mods did absolutely nothing about the harass Richard receives? One time one of the mod staff went onto his call-in show, Trash Talk, and blamed him for all the people harassing him. The mod team was never fair or diligent in removing harassers who followed Richard around, saying defamatory things in every.single.one.of.his.posts. It happened in every post. HE EVEN LINKED THE USERS WHO CREATED ACCOUNTS JUST TO HARASS HIM AND SOME OF THEM ARE STILL ACTIVE. How do you justify this?

I don't agree with everything RL says or does, but he really has exposed the mod team as being, well, tools. I don't know you or any of them personally, but the fact that you'd ban relevant, well -written articles about the game because the guy hurt your feelings - and keep mind, all this bullshit started after you, the mod staff, failed to ban the people who followed him around this subreddit harassing him. The irony in the fact that you say that RL tweets a comment and the user gets harassed, when again, for the third time, you guys failed to to do your jobs and punshi the person harassing him in the first place is just... delicious.

I'm a fan of some of RL's work- and I've tried to remain neutral - but this ruling just shows how huge of tools the mod team has become. I really wish there was a way to get a completely new staff for this subreddit.

Is there a way to get administrative ruling on this bullshit of a decision?

[–]Suiiii 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (5子コメント)

so being a victim of bullying should give him a free pass to be a bully himself? People who harrass RL should be punished as well but it's not because they are not banned yet that the mod team is not allowed to enforce rules on RL.

Being a victim does not give you the right to do whatever you want. It's a shame that justice isn't always served but that should not stop the system from applying the rules in other places.

[–]c4mmi 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

banning his reddit account from this sub is fine. That doesnt excuse the mods from not acting on the actions of the "trolls" that went to great length to harass RL.

As a rather drastic example: A child molester belongs in prison but the prison guards/ the police still have to take care of the safety of the child molester.

[–]Suiiii 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Alright but these are two unrelated issues. Him being punished and him not being protected properly are two different issues which require two threads. To continue your example: it's not because someone gets stabbed in prison that the officers patrolling the street are no longer allowed to arrest criminals and put them in jail right? They are unrelated issues. The mods must enforce rules equally but that does not mean that if they let a few get away that they should let everyone get away. That just means they need to be more efficient.

[–]c4mmi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

As I said the RL subreddit ban is the correct decision. The mods however failed in regards to banning those " trolls".

I also do not think that banning content, that does not break the rules like ongamers did with their vote cheating, is the right decision. The content of RL is not breaking rules other then that it is produced by RL.

[–]Makorot[Lazlo Panaflex] (EU-W) [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

SO just dont let that person get away that actually hurt the mod team right?

[–]Xdivine [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

And we don't know exactly what happened with those posts that harassed him. Maybe they received warnings. We know Richard has received at least a few warnings, which is probably more than most people would receive. Neither of us are on the mod team, so unless you can find me specific examples of constant harassment towards RL from the same person, we have no way of know if insufficient action was taken.

On reddit, even if we all have our ID, with the exception of a very select few people, no one will ever remember our IDs. Richard Lewis however would come under constant scrutiny. It's very easy to find posts (not anymore since his account is deleted so we can't really search them) where RL harassed other people, because if we see someone harassing and then see the name RL, it sticks out.

If you see CookieMunsta harassing someone though, you may not remember his name the next time you see him harass someone again.

At the end of the day, we have no way of knowing the action taken against the troll's accounts, so speculating is 100% pointless. We can only hope that if the post is reported, the mods are looking at it as unbiased as possible when making decisions.

[–]hydrogenc4r 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I baited Richard into an argument once (this must have been over a year ago, just did it for fun) and I immediately got a massive warning from the mods and they said if I ever talk directly to him again I'll get permbanned.

I dont like that you blindly assert that the mods dont care about the abuse Richard has gotten, they went out of their way (we are talking 10hours + EVERY THREAD of his, because in every fucking thread he'd get into arguments with morons), everytime he had an argument they'd have to like look for who started it, who is trolling, who is baiting etc.

Its natural that they missed some (if they even did Im just gonna accept what ur saying here) because they were understaffed until recently.

[–]DefinitelyTrollin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (6子コメント)

I'm not a fan of Richard Lewis social skills, but I did not know this and this comment needs to be seen.

Can any mod comment on this post above, please?

Cus you know ... credibility ???

That said, you cannot justify a wrongdoing with another wrongdoing. At some point it's better to just walk away from something and let it resolve itsself naturally with much less harm.

[–]ekky137 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

RL is a very volatile person. He would frequently rage and get into arguments every time he posted on the subreddit. None of this is against the rules or meant to belittle RL as a person, my comment history is full of dumb arguments I get into myself, I just mean to say that RL brought a tremendous amount of abuse with every single post.

The moderating team spent countless hours deleting post after post after post that they deemed against their rules. The moderating team was understaffed and of course, due to the sheer quantity of it all, missed a large amount of the abuse. RL and his sheeple often mistake disagreeing with RL in an aggressive manner for 'abusing' RL, which grossly inflates the amount of 'abuse' they see him getting.

The mods at the time were taking flak from all four corners of Reddit, including RL himself, his followers, the people criticizing RL and even occasionally the neutral parties involved. But even through all of this the moderating team combined spent a huge amount of time removing comments both defending and attacking RL.

[–]DefinitelyTrollin [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Sorry, but you just described what ANY mod should be capable of doing.

It's called moderating..

If you can't handle it, then stop doing it.

[–]YenSinFly [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

They also all have lives and other things to do then sit around looking at every person who RL argues with, which there were a lot of. People will slip through, no way could the mod team get all of them.

[–]DefinitelyTrollin [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

But they do have time to extensively investigate people supporting him and banning those ?

Please..;

If you can't do a proper job, then don't blame the people calling you out for it.

I'm in no way excusing what Richard did by the way. Just calling out the double standards. And there was no real need to block his content, as a lot of people here enjoy that.

His ban was enough.

[–]YenSinFly [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

They banned people that harassed him too, they just didn't get all of them. Not all of his supporters got banned either, goes both ways.

[–]ekky137 [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

These guys are people like you and I. They get next to zero benefits from spending so many hours moderating, and they do a very good job of it.

I'm not saying 'please excuse the mods for not doing their job', I'm saying 'please excuse the mods, the issue they had to resolve is one that a team twice their size of paid, professional moderators wouldn't have been able to resolve.'

You asked whether or not the comment above yours needs to be seen, and I explained to you why a large amount of unmoderated content slipped through the cracks, and thus, the comment does not need to be seen.

[–]RedTulkas [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

If those guys made Accounts just to harrass, they will Most likely get banned sometimes, they make a New Account, rinse and repeat. The difference is RL is a prominent Feature in esports and as such He should be able to just ignore Trolls and not start fighting with them or harrass Users because they stated their opinion, just because it was negative towards him.

[–]ChrisJayH [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Very good post. I'd like to see what the mods say about this. There are tons of users who would follow RL around, slandering his name and harassing him, trying to discredit him and talking all kinds of shit that have never been banned.

These were the kind of people he linked to. Because the mods agree with them, they are free to post how they like. There are some I even recall who have like 10+ posts in this (fairly new) thread right now, spamming absolute nonsense because they have some insane obsession with him. Why has nothing ever been done about these people? They post endlessly in any thread mentioning him and are incredibly abusive.

Why is there a different rule for RL just because he is disliked by the mod team? I wish I could name some of these insane users but I don't want to start something and get banned simply for mentioning the name of some dumbasses.

[–]NMEChachi [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I agree, it's weird.

It's like a Reddit random, making a fake account to shit talk someone, is less of an issue than a well-known League personality brigading twenty thousand Twitter followers to harass anyone that disagrees with literally anything he says ever. Or something.

I'm going to assume you're a fan and not honestly baked enough to believe that those two things are ANYWHERE NEAR EACH OTHER. "Some guy is trying to get his entire Twitter following to harass the entire subreddit, its mods, and specific users? Sure we could ban him, but we better ban that guy who called him a plastic bag, too, that's even worse."

[–]Protosega[Trixie] (NA) 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The mod team was never fair or diligent in removing harassers who followed Richard around, saying defamatory things in every.single.one.of.his.posts. It happened in every post. HE EVEN LINKED THE USERS WHO CREATED ACCOUNTS JUST TO HARASS HIM AND SOME OF THEM ARE STILL ACTIVE. How do you justify this?

"We have so many mods with different opinions we can't control everything" or something along those lines like they always say.

[–]safetyseal 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Except that is a legitimate response to the "why was this post deleted". Maybe not to every problem on the subreddit but to why posts get deleted, that's a legitimate answer, lol.

[–]Protosega[Trixie] (NA) -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not when they use it for everything they do.

[–]RainSunSnow -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a new subreddit which is journalism-friendly, Riot-critical. It is /r/RiotFreeLoL/.