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TTIP is literally fascism (np.reddit.com)
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[–]hypnoconomy -17 ポイント-16 ポイント-15 ポイント 1 日 前 (42子コメント)
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html
TTIP seems to be about business bypassing democratic oversight and so on and so forth.
"TTIP’s biggest threat to society is its inherent assault on democracy. One of the main aims of TTIP is the introduction of Investor-State Dispute Settlements (ISDS), which allow companies to sue governments if those governments’ policies cause a loss of profits. In effect it means unelected transnational corporations can dictate the policies of democratically elected governments."
So yeah, it's literally facism.
[–]SavannaJeff 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 1 日 前 (1子コメント)
I think you either don't understand the meaning of the word 'literally' or 'fascism'. Possibly both.
[–]commentsrusIntegralds' alt 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 日 前 (0子コメント)
They did not mean what he thought they meant.
[–]TeeSeventyTwo 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 日 前 (34子コメント)
Anything that puts something like a corporation above the nation is essentially anti-fascism. Fascists harnessed all economic activity for the good of the state, which is the figurehead of the nation and the vanguard for the fascist revolution.
[+]hypnoconomy スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 1 日 前 (33子コメント)
TTIP doesn't put the corporation above the nation.
TTIP puts the nation above the corporation and both above the people.
(Top tip - if the government is signing it it's their choice)
[–]ucstruct 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 日 前 (32子コメント)
You literally just wrote that your biggest issue was the deal lets corporations sue nations.
[–]hypnoconomy -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 1 日 前 (31子コメント)
You literally just wrote that your biggest issue was the deal lets companies sue nations.
Quote me.
[–]commentsrusIntegralds' alt 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 日 前 (5子コメント)
TTIP seems to be about business bypassing democratic oversight and so on and so forth. "TTIP’s biggest threat to society is its inherent assault on democracy. One of the main aims of TTIP is the introduction of Investor-State Dispute Settlements (ISDS), which allow companies to sue governments if those governments’ policies cause a loss of profits. In effect it means unelected transnational corporations can dictate the policies of democratically elected governments." So yeah, it's literally facism.
You, 2015.
[–]hypnoconomy -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 日 前 (4子コメント)
Two things.
Firstly that's me quoting someone else. Second thing - that's me outlining why it's fascism - theres no mention of that being my biggest problem or even, in fact that I consider it a problem at all.
[–]commentsrusIntegralds' alt 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 日 前 (3子コメント)
When they finally make backpedaling an Olympic sport, do you promise to go for the gold?
[–]hypnoconomy -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 日 前 (2子コメント)
no, last place.
The simple fact is that while you can imply many things from what I posted (a quote of someone else) you were putting words in my mouth.
Telling you to do one is the way to go.
Bugger off.
[–]commentsrusIntegralds' alt 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 日 前 (1子コメント)
But at least you competed. That takes a LOT of training, and I see you've already gotten started!
[–]ucstruct 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 22 時間 前 (23子コメント)
You quoted an article you seemed to agree with.
"TTIP’s biggest threat to society is its inherent assault on democracy. One of the main aims of TTIP is the introduction of Investor-State Dispute Settlements (ISDS), which allow companies to sue governments
Letting a company sue your country is almost the opposite of a fascist system of government.
[–]hypnoconomy -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 19 時間 前 (22子コメント)
Letting some favoured, politically well connected companies but not the general public get paid when the law changes is essentially fascist.
Obviously it doesn't hit every single point on the F scale, but it does hit most of them.
What would you say such legislation is? Certainly isn't republican, democratic, social democratic, communist, socialist, anarchist, monarchist or anything else.
Fascism is closest, and apt.
http://media0.giphy.com/media/d0SEajOmMna1i/giphy.gif
[–]ucstruct 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11 時間 前 (21子コメント)
Then I guess it isn't fascist.
What would you say such legislation is? Certainly isn't republican, democratic, social democratic, communist, socialist, anarchist, monarchist or anything else. Fascism is closest, and apt.
Governments aren't on some kind of scale. I consider countries with democratic institutions voting for something they they think will help their citizens democracy. A massive free grade agreement between liberal, democratic societies was probably the thing that real fascists would fight t the hardest against.
[–]hypnoconomy 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 8 時間 前 (20子コメント)
The I guess you don't know what the F scale is.
Governments aren't on some kind of scale.
Ok, I no longer have to guess. You don't know what the F scale is.
I consider countries with democratic institutions voting for something they they think will help their citizens democracy. A massive free grade agreement between liberal, democratic societies was probably the thing that real fascists would fight t the hardest against.
You don't need to legislate free trade. In fact, you can't.
[–]ucstruct 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 8 時間 前 (19子コメント)
No, I don't know what a model put together by a psychologist is or what it has to do with the definition of fascism. Fascism is not just right wing ideas taken further, it doesn't mean more free trade or more control by business but has a very specific definition.
This statement makes no sense, of course you do.
[–]basilectThe invisible hand of the market never texts me back. 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 1 日 前 (0子コメント)
Done
[–]SubotanHopeless Keynesian Stooge youtu.be/93oihEbeKmw 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 1 日 前 (4子コメント)
Please explain how you get from:
One of the main aims of TTIP is the introduction of Investor-State Dispute Settlements (ISDS), which allow companies to sue governments if those governments’ policies cause a loss of profits.
To:
In effect it means unelected transnational corporations can dictate the policies of democratically elected governments.
Or do you think private legal persons should not be able to have recourse to the courts to change government policy?
[+]hypnoconomy スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 1 日 前 (3子コメント)
Using logic.
They do already. It's called "voting."
You generally have to be a member of the country involved though, not of a completely different one.
[–]SubotanHopeless Keynesian Stooge youtu.be/93oihEbeKmw 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 1 日 前 (2子コメント)
Alright, do you want to try formalizing that? Run me through the argument. Or do you not actually mean logic?
They do already. It's called "voting." You generally have to be a member of the country involved though, not of a completely different one.
So you don't think legal persons should be able to sue the Government? That is an, er, rather anti-democratic position to take.
EDIT: Oh wait, I just remembered, you're the crazy guy from a few weeks ago! The crazy guy who thinks banking is fraud! Sorry crazy guy, but I have no interest in talking to crazy guys about economics.
[+]hypnoconomy スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 1 日 前 (1子コメント)
look out nitpick lad, it's literal lady and she's deflected my attempt at sarcasm/. her spergers armor is invlunerable to normal discourse and this may be our toughest fight ever.
I don't think that different citizens should have different rights to sue, no. I also can'[t see why citizens of another country, in another country should be able to sue a government overseas.
i.e. your local tobacconist gets shut down when smoking gets banned and he can go fuck himself, but imperial tobacco shareholders in another country entirely can get a big fat payout in the same situation.
Dunno what that is if it's not facism, but its isn't democracy, it isn't fair and it certainly isn't a free market.
I take it you are in favour of huge corporations having special rights that you don't, hmmm?
is that a form of self harm or are you just fucking stupid?
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