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[–]aelesiaa 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (38子コメント)

I don't think the accepted definition of stealth includes hiding it from your partner.

With that said, everyone should be obligated to be truthful towards their partners and not hide anything.

[–]CarmineCeriseDecember 2nd -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (37子コメント)

everyone should be obligated to be truthful towards their partners and not hide anything.

This is just incorrect. I would personally tell my partner but it's wrong to suggest everyone is obligated.

[–]aelesiaa 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (36子コメント)

Well I guess we have to disagree here. I personally don't see how it's acceptable to be dishonest with the person that you intend to spend the rest of your life with.

[–]Hi_Im_Teagantrans-poly-pan-leather lady [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

THIS!

Selective omission is lying (IMO).

[–]CarmineCeriseDecember 2nd 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Trans people aren't being dishonest.

[–]aelesiaa 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (33子コメント)

lol are you serious?

Do you really think it's possible to hide such a major part of your life from your lifelong partner without ever being dishonest or deceitful with regards to your past?

[–]Alyssa_Byou know nothing jon snow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (32子コメント)

"Dishonest" and "deceitful" are words that become incredibly cissexist when used in context of trans disclosure.

Most people wouldn't consider it dishonest to not mention a medical issue from their past, much less deceitful. However when it comes to trans medical history, well that should just be public knowledge shouldnt it?

[–]red_rabbitzKiara, 24, MtF 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Agreeing with /u/Alyssa_B. Putting an ethical obligation to disclose on trans people harms trans people. It means that in every relationship we attempt, we'd have to dredge up our grief, anger and pain and put it out there for another person to judge. It means we can't put our past behind us and move on with the new lives we've worked SO HARD to get. It would change the dynamic of a relationship even if the other person wasn't transphobic and didn't reject us. It would put us in their debt for "giving us a chance," and it would change the way they looked at us. I think it's very hard for cis people to view us as we want to be seen. Once they know, every part of our appearance, everything we do, they see in light of our trans history. That corner on my jaw isn't just my normal, pretty face, it's because I was a man! Once they understand it they can't forget it, even with the best intentions.

edit I forgot to say, I think the one and only reason we might be ethically required not to live in stealth is for the sake of other trans people. So if they're questioning their gender they can meet you and have your story and your strength to counter the messages they get from cisnormative culture, that being trans is doom, "man in a dress," etc. Speaking from my own life, I would have started on transition YEARS ago if I had known about it. I had never met a trans person, nobody explained (correctly) what transgenderism and dysphoria were. I had dysphoria but no words with which to explain it.

[–]Alyssa_Byou know nothing jon snow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Pretty much. Im transitioning to female, not transitioning to transgender.

It's not anyone's right to know my history anymore than its my right to know how many times theyve had the flu.

[–]aelesiaa -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You're transitioning to become a transgender female. Not a cisgender female.

I think if you're about to marry someone, then they absolutely deserve the right to know the important details of your life. Can you imagine how shocked and betrayed they would be to know that the love of their life, the very person that they committed everything to, never trusted them enough and hid such an important secret from them? If they can hide something so large even in marriage, then what else are they capable of lying about?

PS: When I say shocked and betrayed, it could refer to any possible scenario and not just being transgender. Eg. cancer, not being able to give birth, being an ex-murderer.

[–]red_rabbitzKiara, 24, MtF [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Yeah good point because cis people are always totally open and honest with each other before and during marriage. (Both my parents are divorce lawyers, and they themselves are divorced. Trust me this isn't the case marriage is a gongshow.)

Being infertile or being a cancer survivor are reasonable examples, but in what world is being transgender similar to having murdered someone?

Maybe someone finding out about their spouse's trans history in that situation would feel shocked and betrayed at first, but hopefully they'd also have enough empathy to understand why their spouse wanted to keep their history a secret. Or that their spouse, in being outed as trans against their will, probably feels MORE shocked and betrayed than they do, and probably terrified as well.

[–]Alyssa_Byou know nothing jon snow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's up to the individual to decide. What if the person had a great support network, transitioned early, had puberty delayed and lived most of their life as their correct gender?

To them their trans history could be insignificant and not worth mentioning.

The fact is, it is up to the individual to decide what should be disclosed and when. By asserting that there should be some timeline met before the person is considered deceitful is ridiculous.

[–]aelesiaa -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm not saying that you have to disclose your past to every single person you meet. I'm just saying that if you're about to marry someone, then they absolutely deserve the right to know.

[–]new_aphrodite [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

Not everyone marries. Marriage is not the big deal you make it or to be, at least, it's not that for many people. You don't get to decide for a time what y should do in this situation.

[–]aelesiaa [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

Welp, I guess if you don't see marriage as a big deal then I could see why you don't think it's important to tell them.

[–]aelesiaa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

Great. Continue throwing around terms like 'cissexist' just to invalidate my statement, even though it's being made by a transgender person.

Is it dishonest to hide an important part of your life from your past? Yes. Is it dishonest to hide a medical issue from your past, especially when it still affects your life? Yes. So there's no double standard here.

[–]Alyssa_Byou know nothing jon snow 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Do you honestly believe that because youre trans that youre exempt from having opinions that are inherently cissexist?

That's like saying women cant be sexist against women.

[–]aelesiaa 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Except there was nothing cissexist about my statement to begin with.

I repeat, it is not possible to hide your past from your lifelong partner without being dishonest or deceitful with regards to your past.

[–]new_aphrodite [スコア非表示]  (6子コメント)

You're saying that trans people are inherently dishonest. So yeah, you're pretty cissexist, that's descriptive, not invalidation.

[–]Alyssa_Byou know nothing jon snow [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

No one should ever be made to feel "deceitful" or "dishonest" for choosing not to share a detail of their past that would open them to ridicule, rejection, harassment, abuse, violence, etc.

And if you want to continue holding that opinion on trans people who choose not to share their trans history, I will continue to label it for what it is: cissexist.