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[–]cuteman -14 ポイント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント 1 年前* (19子コメント)

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They aren't forced to be there? Except for the disappearance of work in rural China,

Disappearance of work? You mean the move from agricultural to urban? How much of a population should be farmers? What is the comparative income for a farmer versus urban worker?

the guards at the doors

In, not out, people can leave. There are guards and security at many places because of the expensive items these workers make. Would you post guards at a factory that makes iphone, ipads and laptops? Yes you would, even in the US.

the nets below the windows, the bars on the windows.

Do your buildings have safety measures? They can quit, instead some chose to try to commit suicide. It's a different culture, but you seem to think they cannot physically leave.

the strictly regimented free time

They live on a campus that is entirely run by the company. If they don't like it, they can leave. Why don't they leave? Because the pay is much higher than the average.

the barracks on the factory campus

You mean dorms? Like I said above, in the case of Foxconn everything is provided by the company, they are free to leave anytime they want. But most don't because of how much higher the pay is than average.

the wage pressure

Wage pressure? You mean like much higher than average pay for the area?

The demands for cheap goods from westerners.

And? Everyone demands cheap goods, the fact is the workers get paid much higher than other jobs in the area.

Except those things, sure.

Except those things are not what you are making them out to be. They can leave at any time but don't because the pay is much higher than other jobs. Which is why, again, there are hundreds of thousands of those workers and a waiting list to even be considered.

Are you saying there is a waiting list for people to become prison like slaves? Or you just don't know what you're talking about?

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If the average farmer's annual income is under $1,000 and the average chinese factory job pays $3,000 per year and foxconn pays $6,000 - 9,000 you can quickly see why there is so much demand.

It has nothing to do with slavery but rather different standards of living, different laws, different cultures and most importantly economics.

For me personally, I have an income far in access of the average factory job in either the US or China. You couldn't pay me enough to do either. But that has nothing to do with the current state of jobs and economics in China for people who live it.

It is arrogant to assert your values and standards on a group of people you know nothing about. The rate of suicide is much higher in the US military or US in general than in foxconn factories. What is being done there?

You people consume headlines and soundbites without any context or appreciation of comparative situations.

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If the average farmer's annual income is under $1,000 and the average chinese factory job pays $3,000 per year and foxconn pays $6,000 - 9,000 you can quickly see why there is so much demand.

Rectal numbers are not an argument.

You couldn't pay me enough to do either.

Why not?

It is arrogant to assert your values and standards on a group of people you know nothing about.

"Arrogant?"

You're lack of perspective is impressive.

"Arrogant" from the guy who is comfortable with the fact that these people do work he wouldn't consider doing for any amount of money for a salary that he earns in a month or two. No one is saying "close foxconn, send people back to the fields." The post points out how exploitative the status quo is. Do you deny that global capitalism is exploitative?

[–]cuteman -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 1 年前 (9子コメント)

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If the average farmer's annual income is under $1,000 and the average chinese factory job pays $3,000 per year and foxconn pays $6,000 - 9,000 you can quickly see why there is so much demand.

Rectal numbers are not an argument.

They were not meant to be exact, only to highlight the fact that hundreds of thousands of workers and many more seek these jobs because they are higher paid than the average job in China.

Is it your belief that these jobs are lower paid than the average?

You couldn't pay me enough to do either.

Why not?

Because a factory job is nowhere on my agenda. Nor would it be in the US either. Meanwhile manufacturing has exploded in Asia and has led to a rapid increase in standards of living and wages. If you go from farming to factory work, it looks attractive. If you went to a top 20 school in the US, a factory job isn't even a consideration.

It is arrogant to assert your values and standards on a group of people you know nothing about.

"Arrogant?"

You're lack of perspective is impressive.

How is my perspective lacking? Many of these people have come from farming villages, the pay is higher and in reality the work is easier. You are projecting your values onto people you know nothing about.

"Arrogant" from the guy who is comfortable with the fact that these people do work he wouldn't consider doing for any amount of money for a salary that he earns in a month or two. No one is saying "close foxconn, send people back to the fields." The post points out how exploitative the status quo is. Do you deny that global capitalism is exploitative?

So let me ask you, if these jobs are so bad, are the workers better or worse off for having them? The answer is no, farming agrarian societies, their income and ultimately their standard of living is much lower than it is under factory work. There is a reason why MILLIONS of people have migrated from rural to urban areas and it has nothing to do with coercion and everything to do with higher standards for living and income. None of which has to do with the average person in the US or their misguided perceptions of how they would feel in that position.

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