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[–]mrcharles2 1279 ポイント1280 ポイント x2 (576子コメント)

So a cop abuses a 19 year old, only gets a misdemeanor.

And an autistic 11 year old gets slammed into the ground by a cop, gets a felony.

Oh, and FUCKING CHILDREN might get put on the sex offender list for a consensual sex act that they videotaped, and this FUCKING PIG doesn't for ABUSE.

I'm sorry, but if the feds don't step in, remove police protection and give children the legal protection they need, it's time to revolt and kill them all. Children should not be given harsher convictions than the cops for lesser crimes. That's just not going to work in this nation. Not anymore.

I will say that the victim requested that she not have to testify, but the prosecutors are using that to justify the horrible.

[–]OneOfDozens 182 ポイント183 ポイント  (33子コメント)

[–]thorvszeus 190 ポイント191 ポイント  (29子コメント)

FTA:

In the fall of 2013, she and Ruscoe worked security at a Battle of the Bands event at Trumbull High School. After the event Ruscoe drove her to his Trumbull home. Ruscoe became upset when the victim rebuffed his sexual advances, he then slammed his service weapon down on the kitchen counter and ordered her upstairs to his bedroom, grabbing his handcuffs on the way up the stairs, according to the affidavit. Once in the bedroom he pulled off the teen's cadet uniform and, over her many protests, sexually assaulted her, the affidavit states.

"I was completely betrayed by someone I looked up to as a role model," the girl told the judge. "I still wake up in a pool of sweat after having a nightmare where I yell stop and no, the two words I yelled that night at him."

Stunningly, Superior Court Judge Robert Devlin, told the victim and her family, "I know you have really been traumatized by this situation. But I ask you, when you walk out of this courtroom, leave it here. There is a path forward for you and you have what you need to go forward."

While acknowledging that children need to be protected, Devlin, in a slap in the face to all sexual assault victims, said he was giving Ruscoe credit for his years of good service with the police department and only sentencing him to 30-months rather than the agreed upon plea deal of 72-months.

Oh look another "bad apple" judge.
Don't worry he's not indicative of the corruption in the current legal system. /s

[–]starbuxed 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

plea deal of 72 months????? For rape at gun point?

[–]NADSAQ_Trader 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like he was dealing drugs!

[–]Boofy-J 734 ポイント735 ポイント  (192子コメント)

If there ever is another major revolt in the US, it will be against the police. They lost all justification for anything when they started enforcing the war on drugs, and now its gotten to the point where they are simply unaccountable stormtroopers trampling over the populace.

[–]mrcharles2 308 ポイント309 ポイント  (82子コメント)

Exactly. It does not help that the legislative branch no longer fucking listens when we ask them to change the fucking law. If they would get off their asses and do something, there would be no need for a revolt.

[–]Boofy-J 129 ポイント130 ポイント  (31子コメント)

Waiting on reform from the federal level is the ultimate exercise in futility, each individual locality needs to put pressure on their local police officials and city council to cease enforcement of policies that damage their locality, namely anything that involves initiating violence or detainment of any persons over a non-violent issue.

If someone is holed up in a building with a gun, sure, fine, bring in the APCs and swat, but if someone is selling drugs and not paying taxes on their income, or some kids are skating where they shouldnt be, or anything else where there is not imminent violence, its a civil issue and should be treated as such, and armed men in body armor should not be how those issues are responded to.

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_MOUTHOPEN 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (24子コメント)

One of my parents have said when they were growing up they would decide to go to a protest, because that was just what was happening that day. It was a normal occurrence. Being statistically more than a fifth through my life, and having not gone to a single protest is slightly agitating.

[–]Yer_a_wizard_Harry_ 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I'd never go just case i don't wanna get tazed or maced or gassed or beat with billy clubs, etc.

[–]space_fountain 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (14子コメント)

You do realize all that stuff happened during the 70's too? People literally died.

[–]TheStormc12 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Then go revolt. Nothing is stopping you. I'd revolt, but None of you are doing it, so why should I?

[–]jelacey 48 ポイント49 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm waiting for you man.

[–]TheStormc12 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Just an endless cycle. I'll do the same, and you do the same. It won't be until someone with enough balls to do so rises up. The problem is that we simply have too much to lose; homes, food, healthcare, television, computers, and such.

[–]annoyingstranger 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

What does that look like? Someone with balls "rising up"?

[–]bountyhunterdjango 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A criminal.

[–]kmoran1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you don't revolt though, everyone has much more to lose, like life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.

[–]TargetDownrange 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fluoride in my water is keeping me docile.

[–]ApolloRocketOfLove 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

This is exactly it. Everyone loves fantasizing about some big revolution against the police from the comfort of their computer chair, but none of us are going to get up and do it. People would rather just read headlines and post comments on the internet.

[–]leonthelion 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Well yeah. The first people who would do it will be labeled terrorists and be locked up for life. I don't want to be locked up for life:3

[–]earlmelkor -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm busy with tacos.

[–]philmoskowitz 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (10子コメント)

The combination of violent oppression and zero representation is the very recipe for revolution. It's not if, it's when.

[–]brazosrr 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Maybe tomorrow. I've got stuff to do today. Oh wait. Tomorrow is not good. Billy has soccer practice. Hmm how's Monday work for you?

[–]AerMarcus 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]AerMarcus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If it keeps up like this.

[–]imjustanother 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Police conduct traffic stops in APCs, murder people on camera and mock them as they're dying, rape women, murder people in their homes and steal from them, kill autistic homeless people on the street... As much as I'd like to believe that it's only a matter of "when", I simply don't. I have no faith that it's going to happen - For all of our big talk of being "Americans", we're a very weak willed people when it comes to standing up for our freedoms.

[–]Not_dead_yet_fred 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel that as long as we keep our luxieries (cars, computers, etc.) we won't revolt, but the moment the government starts seizing the things we have to lose, the moment we become dangerous.

[–]BlackSpidy 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Nah, they gotta legislate in a way that benefits those who got them into power. Who hands them bribes "political donations" (now falsely equated to speech)? They're not representing. They have been bought.

[–]regzman 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No longer? I didn't realize that they ever did anything.

[–]teddytwelvetoes 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (13子コメント)

you sure about that? there's still a metric fuckton of Americans who still support cops when shit like this happens. hell we have clear video footage of a cop treating an unarmed citizen like casual target practice with the attempted cover-up caught on film as well - and there's STILL people defending that guy.

EDIT: at that point, its blatantly a race issue (class/gender too, but primarily race). swap the races and I'm sure the same folks would all of a sudden be asking for the cop's head.

[–]Boofy-J 52 ポイント53 ポイント  (9子コメント)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/04/17/state-seizes-11-year-old-arrests-his-mother-after-he-defends-medical-marijuana-during-a-school-presentation/?tid=trending_strip_6

The newest fuckshittry from the US police.

I could post a wall of links that would exceed the 10,000 character limit and then some. Every time one of these incidents occurs, a few more people abandon the small modicum of hope that current incarnation of the police system holds any value in society.

At a certain point, we will hit a threshold where this is no longer tolerated. Maybe itll be a decade, maybe it will be 2050, who knows, but this wont be able to continue forever. Its simply not sustainable to wage this kind of war against an armed populace for very long.

[–]teddytwelvetoes 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's been going on for ages though. I think social media has been a massive factor these past couple of years. A lot of these stories would never hit the nightly news years ago.

[–]Jespar 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Many of them still don't.

[–]DeathByBamboo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your second point contradicts your first. At first I thought you were disagreeing with him (because you said "though"), but then you pointed out exactly why the fact that it's been going on for ages isn't relevant to his point.

[–]leonthelion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, but the ones that did would have coverage all across America for several days.

Stuff like the cover up will be on the news until something else happens.

The only time people actually remember the stuff is when riots happen (and we all know how everyone frowns upon riots/General destruction). And you know what? Most of the time, when riots happen, the people participating are already poor. They've got nothing else to lose.

[–]MyCoxswainUranus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not so sure it's purely a race issue. The Kelly Thomas case in Fullerton showed that juries will allow cops to walk after murdering white guys, too.

[–]Zachasm 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

[–]teddytwelvetoes 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

what on earth does this have to do with anything I said? I never made the claim that this stuff never happens to white people (though I will say that it obviously doesn't happen as often). I'm specifically talking about the people who are defending that cop even after seeing the video

[–]Diafetus 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (40子コメント)

Too bad all people do is complain and cry for reform instead of doing shit about it. GG

[–]Boofy-J 60 ポイント61 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Well because if you try to do anything about it they will corner you in a house and burn you alive in it.

[–]Guys_Ranqe 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (33子コメント)

When did this ever happen? I'd love a source.

[–]Boofy-J 89 ポイント90 ポイント  (26子コメント)

I was referencing the Christopher Dorner case. He was a nutjob that killed two civilians, but he was a former cop that declared war on the police. This caused the police to go full retard and attack anything that could possibly be Dorner with extreme prejudice, including a blue pickup truck that belonged to two old ladies that resembled one Dorner was seen driving, they didnt pull them over or stop the car, they immediately opened fire and pumped like 60 rounds into it.

Eventually they cornered Dorner in a cabin in the sticks, instead of using less lethal rounds and detaining him for a proper trial, the police took justice into their own hands and can be heard on recording issuing the order to "burn the fucker down"

They lobbed incendiary grenades into the cabin and burned him alive.

this is all on youtube/google

[–]DirectAndToThePoint 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The funny thing is, the truck the ladies were driving was an entirely different model AND different color from the one Dorner was in.

http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/04/women-mistaken-chris-dorner-and-shot-lapd-will-get-42-million/64513/

[–]Jespar 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Is there video of this shooting? I cannot find it.

But seriously, the Chris Dorner thing should have been an eye-opener that police do not believe in Justice, they believe in revenge and cover ups.

[–]Vanetia 53 ポイント54 ポイント  (7子コメント)

that resembled one Dorner was seen driving

If by "resembled" you mean it was also a truck and had wheels.

Totally different model and color.

[–]Boofy-J 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Dorner drove a truck, Those ladies drove a truck, therefore those ladies = Dorner.

thats how it works right?

[–]Alrossan 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That's some damn fine police work. Ever think about joining up? We could use someone like you.

[–]greaveswalk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

RIP Dorner

[–]nihilion_Zero 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Is there any evidence that he really killed those two civilians? Or did the police just try to pin that on him to make him look bad?

[–]Boofy-J 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

At this point, with the level of the response and the information wars on both sides, its really hard to tell. All I know is this guy popped off in a way that threatened the police themselves, the police responded by locking down the city and going hard as fuck on anything that moved like dorner, and eventually, a cabin was burned down that most likely had dorner cornered inside.

Some people died, the police shot up a truck, there are clips from the local news, but the fine details, like the legitimacy of the manifesto, the perpetrator(s) of the deaths, ect, that is all up for a debate I dont feel like being a part of, because it will devolve into jet fuel and steel beams you know?

[–]MRB2012 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is there any evidence that he really killed those two civilians?

He said he was going after the families of those who wronged him. He thought his lawyer wronged him. His lawyer's daughter and her fiance were shot death like Dorner's other victims. How do you think it played out?

[–]teddytwelvetoes 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it happened on live television with millions of people watching man lol

[–]hardlyworking_lol 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Complaining and bringing it to national attention is an excellent way to start. Hell, even posting about it on Reddit is a start. Public awareness is a valuable tool; as someone else said, the danger to reform is ennui and apathetic attitudes. Talking about it and spreading it is the best way to begin.

So don't discount those who choose to complain; it's a way to show support.

[–]Lukeling 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The problem comes when people let their emotions get the better of them, and give into the sensationalized fear mongering.

[–]Miotoss 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Impotent rage

[–]Chiefhammerprime 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You have the right to complain and say "someday insurrection and rebellion" but the moment someone says "let's set a time and place for an armed militia to meet up and take action" a swat team will bust through the door and empty their military grade automatic machine guns.

Edit: and then drop a taser.

[–]kuhndawg88 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

this is the plan. but the majority of the population is too busy with their day to day life. dancing with the stars, what the next big movie is gonna be, gotta get that pay check, pay my bills, get a credit card, get a new car. have a nicer house than my neighbor. pretend to be rich. vote to protect your wealth from those mooches on welfare! meanwhile we pad the pockets of people who are unfathomably rich, while thinking that we are closer to them than those in the ghetto. we arent. the wealth gap is bigger than you think, and its not between the middle class and the poor. its the top vs the rest. and once we become a fully automated nation, it will be too late.

yeah, call me jaded.

[–]tksmase 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

/sips beer

Mh-yep.

[–]The_Salaminizer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They're the men paying the men with guns to keep the status-quo.

[–]Dodge_Viper2015 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, in all technicalities, we could start a revolt against the government/police force. It's in the second amendment.

[–]moxiebaseball 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt there will be a major revolt on much of anything. There is too much apathy.

[–]darthcodius 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I would prefer stormtroopers. They can't hit shit when they shoot.

[–]ChimneyImp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If this happens, its a bad day for all the good cops whom I'm sure don't want to be protecting the skum of the force.

[–]fermented-fetus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No it won't.

You live in lala land. Overwhelming majority of people haven't had the types of problems with police to go into a revolution.

[–]CaptainSnotRocket 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You know it's bad when you have police depts. like NYPD are "waging war on terror", and then using CIA/FBI stingray technology to spy on god knows who.

[–]wzeplin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, the police are a mere manifestation of a larger problem. The issues with the police stem from larger systemic issues, and what we see in the police just reflect these larger issues.

[–]Boofy-J 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I agree.

[–]shiningPate 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

When we see that a cop has done something revolting, shooting someone in the back (and covering it up), raping young women he's pulled over, tasing children and old people for talking back, etc -- I try to comfort myself with the thought that these people are aberrations and not representative of all cops. I know police officers and most are relatively good people. What gets me though is how these supposedly good people will tolerate, condone and stand behind the bad cops when they do these kinds of acts. The prosecutors are no better. I have a pretty low opinion of the south and the implicit, and explicit racism in ordinary society as well as the police. Recent events in South Carolina where the police officer who shot a guy because he reached for his wallet and the guy charged with murder for shooting the black man in the back have given me hope. The first police officer was fired on the spot and may have been charged. The second police officer was arrested and charged with murder. I really would not have expected this from anywhere. It amazes me to see it in South Carolina. Would that other states would start following up. What I believe would really create a change in police culture is when other officers who help cover up or fail to arrest and prosecute their criminal co-workers are themselves arrested for conspiracy and accessories after the fact to the crimes.

[–]BlackSpidy 46 ポイント47 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Dont fully consenting teens sometimes get into trouble because one happens to have turned 18, while the other is 16? I remember a lesbian girl getting charged by her girlfriend's homophobic mother. If I remember correctly, she ended up on probation and the sex offender list.

We live in a strange, unjust world.

[–]A_Single_AID 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pretty sure there's a guy on the Virginia SOR for statutory rape, and it states that he was age 18 while his "victim" was 17.

[–]thrush77 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

[–]Your_Cake_Is_A_Lie 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm, here in Texas it's a difference of up to 4 years, so long as the younger party is at least 15. It's also important to not that while the state cannot independently bring forth charges under this statute, the parents of whichever party is a minor can still file civil action.

Note: In Texas the official age of consent is 17.

[–]DNDnoobie 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

That escalated quickly

[–]jaypeeps 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

that's what i am thinking

it's time to revolt and kill them all

.... yeah okay or we could chose sane person methods

[–]RancorTamer 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Are you leading this revolt?

[–]waitingforthesun82 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Of course not! All he does is write shit on the internet. Actually doing something is way out of the purview of him and losers like him.

[–]sethboy66 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I am so offended right now. I now plan on setting a goal to become the governor for my small town, form a grassroots campaign based on social reform to become the head of my state and from their forming a presidential campaign so that I can ban you from all public online forums.

[–]unhcasey 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How is a 19 year old a child!? This shit happens all the time...prosecutor can't prove a case because someone doesn't want to testify then they have to plead out otherwise they won't get ANY conviction in court. Sorry, but your hatred of cops has clouded your judgement (or lack thereof) in the justice system.

[–]FapperzDelight 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"Kill them all."

And you lost all credibility as a sane person.

[–]DrunkSkipBayless 73 ポイント74 ポイント  (4子コメント)

it's time to revolt and kill them all

This is the rational leadership we need!

[–]cmoore84 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Let's tar and feather the rich too!

and those corporates over at Micky Ds? Dip 'em in the fryer until they raise the minimum wage!

Should probably burn down the Capitol while we're at it

[–]WinterCool 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They need to learn the hard way, like us citizens who have been repressed all our teenage years! I want code red with my Doritos damNiTtt!!1!

[–]MRB2012 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (8子コメント)

So a cop abuses a 19 year old, only gets a misdemeanor.

That's what happens when you take a plea deal.

[–]Joeltreatman 76 ポイント77 ポイント  (7子コメント)

"It's time to revolt and kill them all"

Slow down there bud

[–]TheLazySocialist 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

When someone asks me why I think the majority of Redditors are teens I'm gonna show them that comment.

[–]SgtRoss_USMC 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Look at all those upvotes and gold...sucks so many people agree with this person.

Let's agree to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people for the injustice of a few. Awesome...

[–]porkyminch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Seriously, what a fucking psycho.

[–]martlet1 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Reported. Jesus. Is this what /news has become? A bunch of children wishing police officers dead over an article that was horribly written?

[–]MyAltAltAcct 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Honestly, /r/news became a cesspool awhile back

[–]martlet1 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I can tell. Wow.

[–]Naters1188 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Definitely can't agree with the "kill them all" argument, but agree with most of the rest.

[–]rockosolido 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because all cops are terrible people and deserve to be executed in the street, right?

When did this place turn into the online equivalent of late-90s Hot Topic "anarchy is so cool" politics? Jesus fucking Christ.

Look, you make several valid points. I wont argue with any of them, and the hypocrisy is so glaringly evident that its disgusting. The police need to be held to the same standards, laws, and punishments as the civilian populace. They aren't above the law, and the second those entrusted with the means to enforce it violate those terms, the concept of law itself becomes meaningless.

There are good cops out there. Its unfortunate that seemingly only thugs in badges get media attention, but bullshit comments like "kill them all" does nothing to strengthen your position. Do many police departments need to revise their psychological and background examine processes? Abso-fucking-lutely. Does there need to be a rigid and strict probationary period before handing these people guns and allowing them discretion to use lethal force? I certainly think so. There definitely needs to be less white in uniforms as well, the department should greatly reflect the community they're there to protect.

But fucking kill them all?" I understand your anger, I get the indignation. Trust me. But get your shit together and stop being a fucking child, that kind of rhetoric doesn't help the people out there who are actually trying to make a difference.

[–]vision-quest 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Lol revolt and kill them all? You are delusional and just as psycho as these bad apple cops.

[–]xXNuclearTacoXx 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (7子コメント)

This sub is the Fox News of liberal media.

[–]WinterCool 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

and /r/politics is the KKK for liberal idealism.

[–]DrunkSkipBayless 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Elizabeth Warren: Am I the only one around here that thinks the US should be S[weed]en?

4,500 upvotes, guaranteed

[–]Ishmael1217 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah they're both overrun with people who have the maturity of high school kids. I wouldn't consider a subreddit "the media" though. Social media but not "the liberal media", whatever that is

[–]Guys_Ranqe 125 ポイント126 ポイント  (103子コメント)

Saying things like "kill them all" really shows your ignorance. You would be killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of maybe a bad 100-500? Yeah mass murder of mothers, fathers, good public servants, and young men and women sometimes as young as 20 sounds like a great idea. Get your head out of your ass.

[–]chrom_ed 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (7子コメント)

You're right that "kill them all" is knee jerk idiocy but you seriously think the "bad cop number" is 100-500? Really? There are probably that many reported atrocities every year, now add unreported or uncaught cops, now add the cops, judges, and politicians complicit by their silence. I'd be surprised if the actual number of unfit LEOs wasn't at least 10 times more than your number.

[–]aabbccbb 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I agree with your overall sentiment. However, this:

maybe a bad 100-500

Is a drastic under-estimation. Just keep paying attention to the videos. Not just the guy pulling the trigger or whatever. The other cops that egg him on. Or cover for him. Or turn a blind eye as he tampers with evidence.

It's a real problem, and as we see more and more video footage, this will become more and more clear. :(

[–]BrownNote 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (0子コメント)

100-500

Bit of a low estimate there.

[–]plausible-rationale 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not to mention the fact that he or she's suggesting that all the cops die, but forgets the fact that 1) cops don't prosecute people and 2) cops don't sentence people.

So it's not just the cops. It's the following people the most up voted comment in this thread suggests killing: Cops Prosecutors Judges Legislators who put in place mandatory sentencing

They're not calling for murder, they're calling for revolution. But they're doing it by putting the blame where it doesn't belong.

[–]_Sasquat_ 82 ポイント83 ポイント  (59子コメント)

You would be killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people because of maybe a bad 100-500?

I think you're forgetting that many officers witness other officers committing crimes, but look the other way. Or officers that falsify records and try to cover the ass of their buddies.

[–]JonAce 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (3子コメント)

There is no protection for whistleblowers.

[–]Akasirus 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Officers have First amendment protection against retaliation when speaking out about department misconduct and corruption. I'm sure it wouldn't make you very popular, but just because it's easier to be complacent doesn't make it right.

[–]Ergheis [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

So you're saying the officers should speak out against officers not following the laws protecting civilians... because they have a law that would protect them?

[–]ChiefBromden 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I don't see that as a valid excuse to not speak out against the atrocities you witness at your job. I just don't. You can wax poetic about police officers being brave, but not brave enough to speak out? na.

[–]PussyWhistle 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (32子コメント)

There are thousands of cops who don't witness their peers doing heinous shit like this, also. I don't think corrupt cops are going back to the station at the end of their shift and bragging to each other about all the illegal activities they did that day. They probably try to hide it from everyone, including their coworkers.

[–]azuretek 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They probably try to hide it from everyone, including their coworkers.

If this were true why would cops show no restraint when beating/attacking people when other cops are around? We've seen plenty of video evidence of "good cops" standing by not doing anything while their "coworkers" hurt and kill people. The perpetrators either don't care that other cops will have a problem with what they're doing (the lack of cops coming out against each other seems to make me believe this isn't the case) or they know other cops won't do anything about it.

[–]Ashuvain 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Judging from all evidence I have seen in ex police officer testimonies, corrupt cops DO ''go back to the station at the end of their shift and brag to each other about all the illegal activities they did that day'', they particularly like to e-mail each other about it.

Saying ''non corrupt'' cop is like saying ''non corrupt'' mafia member, their whole organisation is corrupted.

[–]green715 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Except that you can legally join the police and not only do nothing wrong, but also legitimately help others.

[–]Ashuvain 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The mafia helps certain people, hurts some other people. It's a fairer comparison than you think. And yes, most people who join the police do so because they want to help, but the organisation is corrupted and lets its members get away with almost anything.

The problem is twofold:

  1. The american police has terrible training that makes its officers see people as threats, in the streets you are guilty until proven innocent (if you look at the EXTREME over use of force by police officers against unarmed civilians you will quickly see this). Also they have military equipment, because why not.

  2. Cops are VERY well defended in court. I think very few people will argue against this: Cops, to a certain extent, are very much above the law, and in situations where a normal person would be sentenced they can often get away with a tap on the wrist.

If you don't see how the combination of these two things can make corrupted people in an organisation flourish and shouldn't take place, then you are probably clinically retarded.

[–]nthusiastt 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, just so I'm clear. You believe 100% of police officers are bad people and deserve to die?

[–]Ashuvain 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not a huge fan of capital punishment, so no.

[–]TheCyanKnight 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Murder them too then. That's a good start of an actual civilized society. /s

[–]Guys_Ranqe -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm assuming by saying many you're thinking over 50% which there is absolutely no evidence to back up and is even more ignorant to think is actually factual.

So if you think that someone who witnesses a crime should be killed, have you ever:

Seen someone jaywalk and not said anything/called the police? Seen or heard of one of your buddies drive drunk and not call the cops or kill them? Cover for your friend when they fuck up and not kill them?

I could go on and on. You have no argument, but if you want to go out and start killing people I think it'd be funny to see how far you'd get.

Edit: So lets say you get your revolution and all the police are gone, how do you stop the murderers, rapists, thieves, white collar criminals, gang bangers etc?

[–]_Sasquat_ 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (6子コメント)

So if you think that someone who witnesses a crime should be killed

Not just anyone who witness a crime, specifically cops

Cops are granted the authority to enforce the law and arrest people, and are therefore held to a higher standard in the public's eye. When they're watching their buddies commit the worst crimes and do nothing about it, they don't deserve to live. None of them do. They're not a service to society, they're a cancer. If people were actually getting fired or going to prison, then I wouldn't be so hyperbolic, but no one gives a fuck.

I'm not sure how you equate jaywalking with rape and murder. I've seen someone try to drink and drive once. I took her keys and she ended up calling the cops. When the cops showed up they said I had to give back her keys because it's her property...yea, completely retarded. And lastly, I certainly can't call the cops for something I heard either. That's just hearsay.

So go ahead and continue pretending like everything is rainbows and gum drops. I'm sure if we ask nicely everything will change.

[–]MRB2012 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Cops are granted the authority to enforce the law and arrest people

They are also allowed to not arrest people. That's important.

[–]Nightshot 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's an issue. They shouldn't be allowed to not arrest someone, if the crime is serious enough.

[–]ughalready 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, because jaywalking is exactly the same as a cop using his power to rape or kill people.

You have a point about the hyperbolic trash of "kill them all" but your point is lost in your own hyperbolic trash.

[–]Ashuvain 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a difference between seeing someone jay walk or drive when too drunk and seeing someone rape someone else, plant false evidence or kill innocent people.

The first two are dangerous to varying degrees and COULD have negative consequences, the last three are terrible in every situation.

[–]brazosrr 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is a code of blue for a reason. They are all complicit.

[–]man_on_hill 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If there is one thing Reddit is good at, it is generalizing a population.

[–]SellTheSun 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

500? You think there are only 10 bad cops in each state? Found the cop/family member of a cop.

[–]HitachinoBia 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You type like an SJW.

[–]EggrollsForever 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

time to revolt and kill them all

I think you're on the list now

[–]thankyoucontrol 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Look at reddit. According to about 33% of them, any time someone gets fucked over by a cop it was their fault. And reddit is a very liberal site compared to the US. I think it will stand in this nation, and it is only just starting up. It's gonna get a lot worse.

[–]TropicalAmerican -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (50子コメント)

it's time to revolt and kill them all

Sir, you are the dumbest motherfucker I have ever seen. What happens to the 99% of cops who don't do bad things? They die too? Also, if killing is so wrong then why use killing as an answer?

[–]sweetleef 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Because it's easy to type toughguy nonsense into a keyboard.

[–]JonAce 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yep, that guy wouldn't pick up a gun, let alone use it. Talk big, and let someone else do the dirty work. That sounds familiar...

[–]Dunkcity239 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (7子コメント)

If you think only 1% of cops are bad, you're an idiot

[–]CaesarTheFirst1 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Source? If you say things without a source and insult other people you're unfit for a good discussion.

[–]Dunkcity239 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Considering how few police crimes are actually reported it's not likely I could get an accurate number. I could look up how many cops there are, how many crimes were reported last year, and do the math. But I'm almost certain the number would be higher than 1%

[–]CaesarTheFirst1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There are 780,000 policeman in the united states, there have been 111 confirmed killings by policeman, but estimates are 400, a percent of 780k is 7800, I don't think those stuff add up to 7800 (not to mention it's likely to be the same cops doing the crimes). I'm not saying you're wrong, but the absolutely majority of people, and the absolute majority of cops are not murderers/rapists. There certainly is a problem, but horrible stuff is being thrown about by mad redditors- a freaking child abuse detective said that the punishment is typically that when the victim refuses to testify.

[–]Dunkcity239 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Totally anecdotal here; but almost every single cop I have ever met has been a total asshole. When I was 12 two of them put guns to my head, at 18 I got my ass beat by cops (I was trying to run away, was lucky I didn't get shot), at 25 I was sitting at home minding my own business when a few of them showed up and threatened me with violence and said they were going to take my kids over some shit my ex called them and said.

I've maybe met one or two that treated me like a human being. The rest were thugs and bullies

[–]StumpNuts 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (27子コメント)

The 99% hide behind the blue wall of silence. Fuck them.

[–]JonAce 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

They hide because they get blackballed if they speak out. There is no protection for whistleblowers. Reform is needed, not revolt.

[–]SinkHoleDeMayo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

I'm sorry, but if the feds don't step in, remove police protection and give children the legal protection they need, it's time to revolt and kill them all.

Glad someone else said it. Nothing is working, cops are getting away with more shit every day and need to be stopped.

[–]Wetzilla 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Do you honestly believe that this stuff wasn't happening before now? Stuff like this has been happening forever, we just never heard about it before because they always got away with it. Sure, even when they get caught they still get away with it sometimes, but it's a lot harder to just sweep stuff under the rug now. It just seems worse because more cops are getting caught, and because news spreads so quickly now. Before the internet and social media if an unarmed suspect was shot and killed in some small town you never would have heard about it.

Now, I don't think this is an reason to pull back on the pressure for law enforcement reform, if anything it's the opposite. It's finally providing the ammo required to push through real reform for the entire justice system, from the Police to the prison system. But these aren't new issues that are only occurring now, they've always been there, we just haven't been as aware of them.

[–]Fallicies 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Remember when a cop was shot in his car in NYC after the Eric Garner incident? Everyone cried sympathy for the cop and his family. Though it's unfortunate if that cop was entirely innocent and didn't take part in the blue code of silence, what else can people do to change things? Politicians don't care about the people, police unions don't care about the people, the powerful don't care about the powerless until the powerless stand up and scare them into changing their ways.

[–]AManNeedsAMurse 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yeah, because killing cops will definitely scare the cops into changing their ways, and they definitely won't crack down harder as a result.

You don't want change, you want revenge.

[–]Sax45 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I live in NYC, about a mile from where it happened. The two dead cops were posthumously promoted to detective so that their families would get higher pensions. Okay, fine. But every time the story is brought up on the news, they refer to the "shooting of Detective Ramos and Detective Liu," even though they were just regular cops at the time. That is some 1984 shit.

[–]LadySyn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then who will stop all the piece of shit people they have to deal with everyday? The ones that beat the shit out of their wives, neglect their 12 children, and steal from literally everyone.

It's a double edged sword.

[–]dankmoney 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is super shitty that he only got a misdemeanor. The problem is if she does not want to give testimony in court the prosecutor may not have enough evidence to get a conviction from a jury. If that is the case at least with the plea deal some form of punishment was given.

[–]FocalFury 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was on your side until you said "Kill them all"

[–]spacemoses 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

What are some good examples of citizens actually coming up with a professional proposal for reform? Not a dumb petition or an upvote for "wear body cams" or anything like that, but an actual proposal for law change that identifies current problems and the specific things to change as a formal proposal?

I know this is a poorly written comment, but I think some of you will see what I'm getting at.

[–]dan4223 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not like he wasn't charged with a felony.

If there were holes in her story and she wasn't coming off as a credible witness, this might have been the best they could do.

[–]Moal 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Aaand I'm pretty sure you're on a watch list now.

[–]green715 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Don't kill all of them, as many Feds and police don't do anything wrong and/or don't have the power to stop it. Indiscriminate murder can never go right. In fact, don't kill anyone.

[–]FluffyCuntPunt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Start killing all cops? or just the shitty ones?

[–]fermented-fetus 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plea deals are given out all the time...

Every court case isn't built the same way, you can't look at one where there was bigger conviction and cry foul just because another hour a plea deal.

The guy isn't even a cop anymore.

[–]Lukeling 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm sorry, but if the feds don't step in, remove police protection and give children the legal protection they need, it's time to revolt and kill them all.

Who is the fucking idiot that gave you gold for this comment? Sheesh, you people...

[–]LadySyn 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The neckbeard is strong with this one.

[–]pragmaticbastard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, let's kill all the cops because the victim didn't want to testify and agreed to the reduced sentence.

/S

[–]Delsana 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

... Anyone advocating for the mass slaughter of people has a lot of issues. It seems you're trying to paint a minority as justification for the majority to be slaughtered? Granted the attempt would fail utterly, but still.

I'm really beginning to wonder why this sub even exists anymore.. because this type of over exurbant response based off of misrepresented opinions or skewed data is all that it does anymore.

[–]GranpasMedicine 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's time to revolt and kill them all

What the hell?

[–]Spines 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

i wonder how long it takes for a positive post about police getting to the front page. normaly 4-5 hours later that i see one. "cop recusiates kid on the backseat" "cop brings students donuts" or the other way round where people behaving stupid in front of the police

every single time

[–]popfreq 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I will say that the victim requested that she not have to testify, but the prosecutors are using that to justify the horrible.

This is not an small excuse. If the one witness to a crime, which has little else as evidence, refuses to testify, the prosecutors would have to let the perp walk.

The story has appeared in r\news before.

[–]GeneralTry 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

America, the land of the (illusion) free and the home of the brave (?).

I still have yet to understand how Americans actually believe they are free. It's really all just propaganda.

[–]IceUck 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Watch that "kill them all" shit. You're still looking at a small minority of otherwise good cops.

[–]Banana_blanket 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

100 percent on board. Fuck this shit. And not to being race into this situation because this incident isn't about it, but if that had been a black civilian who assaulted a girl, you better fucking believe that man is getting arrested and charged with waayyyyy more than a misdemeanor.

[–]A_REAL_CHARMER 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

We shouldn't kill them all, but we as a society deserve to have our justice. This man should be put down like the rabid dog he is, as should other police officers getting away with rape and murder. It is our responsibility as civilians to provide justice if our government fails to provide it for us

[–]Atlas_Fortis 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The fact this is the top comment and got gold is fucking frightening. How is killing random people who have nothing at all to do with this going to solve anything?

[–]TheCyanKnight 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

it's time to revolt

Yes!

and kill them all.

Err.. what? Kill? 'them'? All of them?

[–]SeaofRed79 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and no. We can't go for ALL officers. Several are good and several are bad. It can't be blindly dispensing justice upon EVERY officer.

Against ones that are criminal in their actions, well I'm not stopping anyone if they get away with murder so to speak.

[–]hateitorleaveit 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

seems pretty well approached by the lagal system. very unfortunate though.. probably happens more than we know

[–]activistforwhat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Fuck yea

[–]Hellsheart 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Reddit should chip in on a hitman.

[–]koji8123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell me when and where you'd like to stroke, mrcharles. I'll sign up.

[–]Rathadin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The police are playing a very dangerous game, and I don't think they even realize it.

See, if massive massive riots were to break out, the kind that would require mobilization of the National Guard, shit would get ugly fast... but it gets even uglier if things become so bad that the military itself has to get involved. That's the point at which America is going to dramatically change, because a huge amount of the military is now coming from poverty-stricken areas, and a very large amount of Army enlisted personnel have "moral waivers". That can be something as simple as getting a waiver for being busted with drugs, or getting a waiver to enlist on an assault conviction (sometimes even worse crimes).

When that happens... when the Army especially... gets involved, I supsect there'll be outright revolt by factions in the military. And there will be a lot of dead cops. The National Guard that resist will simply be killed; they lack the combat training and time on the range to be any real threat to seasoned Army personnel. Then, of course, you have the Marines... who are also increasingly coming from poor backgrounds, who have experienced police injustice firsthand. They will side with their Army brothers. Marines fall under the Department of the Navy... welp. I'm not going to abandon my Navy veterans, especially not to the losing side... so I'll join the military resistance / freedom fighters / whatever, as well.

Naturally, the civilian population will read this and think, "That can't happen here.", because when you live in a stable country, that's your response to every "fringe" idea or threat... that it can't happen to you. I'm sure a lot of Jewish Germans thought the same thing during the early and mid 1930s. No one thinks it can happen... until it does.

I feel bad for all the good officers if shit ever gets to this level, because a lot of good people on all sides are going to be killed for the actions of a corrupt lot. Then again, if you have corruption in your midst, you have to root it out and destroy it... or you will end up in a scenario like I describe above.

I just hope it doesn't come to that. I hope the world regains some sense.

[–]dorkmax 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Then let's start a protest organization. Police Brutality, Privacy, Preservation of the Bill of Rights. We'll call it the Sons of Liberty.

[–]koji8123 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tell me when and where you would like to group up and strike, mrcharles2.

[–]RazrRain 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Who the FUCK gave you gold? "Revolt and kill them all?" Are you out of your fucking mind? Do you have any idea how the legal system works? This chick was met with by prosecutors and everything she wanted is being done. He's going to jail and she doesn't have to testify. If she were to testify she could get a possible felony charge but she won't. It's how the system works. Your bullshit does nothing to help fix a problem other than create further irrational cop hate. Sure, a lot of cops do bad things. But this guy is receiving the exact punishment is victim wants him to receive. Actually find out the facts of a case before you throw out your hatred and hypocrisy.