Thu Apr 16, 2015, 02:54 PM
McCamy Taylor (15,132 posts)
What Is the Biggest Angry Voting Block in the US----Women! Because We are ALL Oppressed.
You can slice and dice the US electorate in many ways. Rural versus urban. Old versus young. Black versus white. Immigrant versus native born. However, there is one demographic that transcends age, race, birth status, economic status. That is gender. If you are a woman in the United States, you are a second class citizen.
We have all been there. We are denied promotions. We are forced to train the newly hired men who will become our bosses. We are paid a fraction of what men make for doing the same work. Our ideas are ignored in meetings. Our ambition is treated as shameful--unfeminine. Our bodies are kicked around like footballs by men trying to score ideological points---why protect the already born when you can protect the unborn to show your "family values"? We are denied birth control then condemned for trying to raise children we "cannot afford." We are condemned if we ask the fathers of our children to help in their care---"That whore probably got pregnant to collect child support," say the woman haters. If we speak up to question our lot in life we are called "bitch", "witch", "castrating." We are told that issues which affect us are less important than issues which affect men---our concerns are just "women's and children's issues." We are told that we can have our equality after our men have their equality. We are supposed to be happy with "trickle down" equality---if our men get ahead, then we will get ahead. In this last respect, we are treated like children, who derive their social status from that of their parents--- Fifty years into the new feminist movement that started in the later 1960s, women are still treated as infants. Well, this "dumb blond" stopped being a child many decades ago. She is a grown up, and she expects to be treated as a grown up. It is not my job to make men feel better about themselves by hiding my intelligence, agreeing with them when they are wrong or apologizing before I (reluctantly) have to set them straight in order to keep them from making fools of themselves and steering our organizations into disaster. I expect to take part in a dialogue about the policies which will guide my company, my country, my world. I expect to have my voice heard. And I don't think it's right that in order to do this, I have to assume a gender neutral name, so that trolls will not flame me for being female. I am not smart in spite of being a woman. I am smart, in large part, because of the shit I have been forced to endure because I am a woman. The oppression which I have suffered (and yes, even a physician in this country suffers oppression, if the doc is a woman) has taught me a lot. I have learned to value my own opinions, to distrust social dictum. I am willing to cast off the old and look for a new, better way, if the new, better way will make life better for all of us, especially the children, who---as the dependents of adult women who have been turned into children themselves----are doubly disenfranchised and doubly oppressed. How did sexism affect my life? Let me count the ways. It started before I was born. My mother, an Emory grad, could not go to medical school because she got married and had a child. Having a spouse and child would not have been a barrier to a young male pre-med back in the 1950s, but it was an absolute barrier for a woman. And guess what? Twenty years later, when I applied to medical school, I was told by several interviewers to reconsider my career choice. My sin? I had married an engineer. I was told that if I wanted to keep my husband, I would have to rethink being a doctor, because he would never be able to stand the shame of having a wife who made more money than him. By the way, we recently celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary. As a child, we moved from apartment to apartment. Even though my mother was a computer scientist for NASA contractors and later NASA, she could never get a home loan, because she was divorced. In the 1960s, banks would not write a mortgage unless there was a man's signature attached. Oh, and speaking of computer science jobs, my mother was interviewed and hired by one firm in the 1960s. Then the real boss got back to town. He summoned his secretary into his office. He had her sit on his lap. He told my mother that his firm only hired women to be secretaries--- We have come a long way, baby, but we still have far to go. And one of the hurdles we need to overcome is the myth that a woman president is unnatural. That a woman who wants to be president must be some kind of freak. That a woman as president can not keep us safe. That she will be too easily swayed by the men around her. That she will not be able to accept campaign contributions without repaying that money in quid pro quo, because women are weak, puppets, devoid of ideas, fueled only by a single desire---the desire to please the men around them, meaning that we do not judge women on their own worth, we judge them by the worth of their men.
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34 replies | Author | Time | Post |
What Is the Biggest Angry Voting Block in the US----Women! Because We are ALL Oppressed. (Original post) |
McCamy Taylor | 4 hrs ago | OP |
djean111 | 3 hrs ago | #1 | |
BlueCaliDem | 3 hrs ago | #2 | |
RobertEarl | 3 hrs ago | #3 | |
NoJusticeNoPeace | 27 min ago | #28 | |
djean111 | 3 hrs ago | #4 | |
BlueCaliDem | 42 min ago | #23 | |
erronis | 55 min ago | #19 | |
1StrongBlackMan | 1 hr ago | #10 | |
leftofcool | 33 min ago | #26 | |
Tierra_y_Libertad | 3 hrs ago | #5 | |
lumberjack_jeff | 6 min ago | #32 | |
freshwest | 3 hrs ago | #6 | |
Novara | 3 hrs ago | #7 | |
Seeking Serenity | 2 hrs ago | #8 | |
F4lconF16 | 1 hr ago | #13 | |
calimary | 45 min ago | #22 | |
beam me up scottie | 18 min ago | #30 | |
Duppers | 20 sec ago | #34 | |
Duppers | 4 min ago | #33 | |
1StrongBlackMan | 1 hr ago | #9 | |
Major Nikon | 1 hr ago | #11 | |
Major Hogwash | 1 hr ago | #16 | |
bettyellen | 46 min ago | #21 | |
Major Nikon | 38 min ago | #25 | |
erronis | 52 min ago | #20 | |
Major Nikon | 42 min ago | #24 | |
Dont call me Shirley | 1 hr ago | #12 | |
F4lconF16 | 1 hr ago | #14 | |
backwoodsbob | 1 hr ago | #15 | |
JDPriestly | 1 hr ago | #17 | |
mcar | 1 hr ago | #18 | |
leftofcool | 32 min ago | #27 | |
maindawg | 20 min ago | #29 | |
lumberjack_jeff | 10 min ago | #31 |
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 02:58 PM
djean111 (6,479 posts)
1. Sexism fucked my life up, but Hillary is not the president I want. Has not a damned
thing to do with her gender. She is a neoliberal war-mongering Third Way Wall Street Corporatist, and I cannot vote for that.
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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:21 PM
BlueCaliDem (8,972 posts)
2. I'll be missing your anti-Hillary posts after the primaries.
NOT.
People change, as you should know. Even Elizabeth Warren and Charlie Crist became Democrats when they realized that their Party was veering too much to the (always wrong) Right. Even a Tea Party Charter Member has said he'll be voting for her. They showed that they can change. I'm certain you can see and accept that that's not impossible for SoS Clinton. She might have been all those things way back then, but I'm certain now that she's a grandma, she's going to be a helluva lot more progressive as she looks to the future of her grandchild. I might not vote for her in the primaries (if my candidate finally gets to running), but if she wins it even without my vote, I will cast my vote for her in the general. I hope you will, too. |
Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:25 PM
RobertEarl (9,084 posts)
3. Hopefully
We have a chance to vote for Warren come November 2016?
Keep hope alive!! |
Response to RobertEarl (Reply #3)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:27 PM
NoJusticeNoPeace (3,707 posts)
28. Or Bernie, but if not, then I know what I am going to do
Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:29 PM
djean111 (6,479 posts)
4. Yup. I already have stated I will be out of here!
No, I don't believe Clinton can change, I see she is still looking to people like Larry Summers.
And, as a grandma myself, please do not insult me by "playing the grandma card". As a grandma, I feel more fierce than ever about trying to make sure my grandson does not have to go get killed in a useless war, and has a chance at a good life and a good job. I do not trust Hillary on those things. She is a one-percenter, and I have read elsewhere today that Wall Street knows she is just politickin' when she waxes liberal or progressive. In any event, the TPP has pretty much sealed my deal. And so it goes. |
Response to djean111 (Reply #4)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:12 PM
BlueCaliDem (8,972 posts)
23. Unfair to judge Hillary Clinton by the fact that she's a "1-percenter". Elizabeth Warren is a
1-percenter, too. Does that make her eveel? Of course not. After all, Senator Warren is the "darling of the Left".
And I wasn't trying to insult you and I wasn't playing the "grandma card". You'd know that if you reread my post. However, you appear to be a bit too touchy and defensive, and there's absolutely NO need for that. FWIW, I trust President Obama over Vice President Joe Biden, and Joe Biden over Hillary Clinton. In turn, I trust Hillary Clinton over any Republican, and if my candidate doesn't run or doesn't win the Democratic nomination, I will vote for whoever does because by not voting, in my most humble opinion, I'm handing an easy victory to the Party that least deserves more power in our Government and my and my family's lives. |
Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #2)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:59 PM
erronis (785 posts)
19. Is there a nice graphic that shows when each candidate "started" caring about issues?
I admit I'm a bit of a visual/showme type of person.
It's not just HRC but EW and each/every other candidate. I'd like to see something that showed a timeline that pointed out when each one made a significant pronouncement about things that now seem to matter. It's OK to have black-out periods on the timeline (like when HRC was SoS) as long as they are annotated. It's even better to show where they've flipped (I like pragmatists) and when they've actually switched parties. Maybe it's just me but I'm worried about lotsa people (uglies and dems and paulies) that jump into the race with new-found mottos, slogans, marketing teams - but they have no history about ever caring about the issues. |
Response to djean111 (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:06 PM
1StrongBlackMan (18,695 posts)
10. Is that what you took from that fine piece ...
maybe, she will be kind enough ... patient enough ... to start again.
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Response to djean111 (Reply #1)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:21 PM
leftofcool (8,163 posts)
26. So don't. No need to remind us 3000 times.
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:31 PM
Tierra_y_Libertad (43,879 posts)
5. I voted for a woman presidential candidate in 2012.
Jill Stein. And, since she may run again, she'll probably get my vote again.
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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #5)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:48 PM
lumberjack_jeff (29,746 posts)
32. What brings you to Democratic Underground? n/t
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:32 PM
freshwest (50,513 posts)
6. Yes, McCamy, we've seen it. n/t
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 03:51 PM
Novara (88 posts)
7. Excellent OP
Thank you.
And, DAMN RIGHT! |
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 04:07 PM
Seeking Serenity (2,285 posts)
8. We're all oppressed? I'm not
Oh, I get inconvenienced a lot: people cutting me off in traffic, people in the express lane with clearly more than 15 items, school administrators who refuse to understand that adolescent boys aren't gonna just sit down and shut up all the time, etc., etc.
But in a society where I can basically go where I want and do what I want, as far as my resources will let me, have a wonderful, albeit conservative, husband and two wonderful boys, had the choice to not work while my boys were little and am now reentering the workforce? No, I'm not oppressed. Not at all. In fact, I'm pretty darn privileged (not the rich kind of privileged, but the fortunate to have choices and be happy with them kind of privileged). Not oppressed. |
Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:28 PM
F4lconF16 (2,184 posts)
13. smh
Response to F4lconF16 (Reply #13)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:09 PM
calimary (38,402 posts)
22. GREAT list, F4alconF16! Part of the reason I'm replying here is so I can keep this post of yours!
Just because one woman somewhere might feel comfy-cozy in her own life doesn't mean all the other women she knows are relaxing in the same nice comfy-cozy boat. If one woman feels like she's on safe ground and that it's not her problem, then maybe SHE should become the one who gets off her behind and helps those who aren't. If YOU'RE in good shape, yourself, shouldn't you want to see your fellows get there, too? And maybe do something to help or otherwise have their backs? Seems to me those who enjoy a life without these hurdles to jump are uniquely positioned to be able to help someone else, or fight for someone else, who would give ANYTHING to be in that same position.
Hillary Clinton comes to mind. She doesn't need this. She doesn't need ANY of this. She has all the fame and money and prominence and the kind of VERY comfortable future that anyone could want. She's set for life, financially. She's got a family she loves and a happy healthy grandchild, as well as her own still-good health and vitality, and she still looks pretty great, too. She has a resume as long as Pacific Coast Highway and the same lengthy list of accomplishments. She could coast for the rest of her life! Sit by and relax. She's old enough to have earned that. But she's still in there fighting. For causes. Like women's issues and women's rights across the globe. So many of the women we see, at least on our side of the aisle, in Congress and the Senate - they don't need this, either! They've got a good life spread out ahead of them whenever they want to pack it in and enjoy retirement. Plenty of money. Fame, access to a nice cushy lecture circuit and publishing deals and all kinds of great perks they've earned for themselves by now, if they want. They don't need this work and wear 'n' tear and grief and the crap they have to put up with in their jobs. But they deal with it anyway. They suit up every day and go press ahead and fight the good fight. ANYWAY. I'm in good shape in my own life in that regard, but when I was younger and trying to break in, I had to fight, too. I had to deal with all that office politics shit and sexist shit and stuff I knew was done to me that would NEVER be done to my male colleagues. I would say to those who claim to be in comfortable positions and all their friends are, too, and they really don't see any problem here - maybe it's simply that they don't get out much. NO IGMFU (I Got Mine, F-U) for me, though!!!!! |
Response to F4lconF16 (Reply #13)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:37 PM
beam me up scottie (26,968 posts)
30. Holy crap, what an excellent response to those who speak from ignorance and privilege!
I'd ask you to start a rebuttal thread but that one would get locked too. Nice. |
Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #8)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:50 PM
Duppers (5,466 posts)
33. ...
My ultra-conservative, ultra-religious, unaware Republican mother talks like this. |
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:04 PM
1StrongBlackMan (18,695 posts)
9. Yes ... Yes ... Yes ...
Now, drop the mic and walk off the stage!
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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:07 PM
Major Nikon (17,162 posts)
11. Biggest voting block period since 1980
With the advent of women's suffrage in 1920 many women were off to the polls. But in recent history women have exceeded men in voter turnout. From 1976 to 2008 women have steadily spread the gap. For more than 60 years after women’s suffrage the female population turned out less often than men. This was true from 1920 to 1980. However, after 1980 a reversal occurred and a gender gap in voting between men and women has been evident ever since. The range is from a low of 4 points in 1988, to a high of 10 percentage points in 1996. In many countries across the world, women have shown the same pattern as women in the U.S. Recent studies have shown women throughout advanced industrial societies are voting as much as men and with the same voting behaviors as women in the U.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_gender_gap |
Response to Major Nikon (Reply #11)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:37 PM
Major Hogwash (15,492 posts)
16. But, not the biggest ANGRY voting block.
That would be the Hispanic voting block.
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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #16)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:08 PM
bettyellen (26,695 posts)
21. I think by the time the primaries are over, they'll
Have seen enough sexist slime to get plenty angry. Even here, one of the first criticisms here I saw was regarding her marriage! Dude was silly enough to think women want their careers impacted by their personal private relationships. I has to laugh. Women are fed up with having their worth judged by what sort of man they have at home.
privacy to is ain't the NSA, it's stop guessing if we'll have babies, and stop trying to second guess our choices and take them away. |
Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #16)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:16 PM
Major Nikon (17,162 posts)
25. I'm not sure I'd agree
The problem is much of the anger cancels each other out.
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #11)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:02 PM
erronis (785 posts)
20. And maybe their votes aren't counted?
You only need to "fix" the machines (people or mechanical) in a few voting districts that are have a large liberal female population (read well-educated) to throw a greasy monkey-wrench into the idea of democracy. And I bet those greasy fingers aren't female.
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Response to erronis (Reply #20)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:12 PM
Major Nikon (17,162 posts)
24. It's also possible that the almighty creator is manipulating free will
Or it's possible that aliens from outer space are beaming instructions directly into the minds of voters.
But absent any tangible evidence of a massive undetected conspiracy to disenfranchise those born without a penis, I'm going to remain skeptical of the issue. YMMV. |
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:21 PM
Dont call me Shirley (5,041 posts)
12. Women are the original victims of original sin, we are still the target of that 1st act of bigotry,
still the receiving end of the shifting blame for their misogyny.
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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:30 PM
F4lconF16 (2,184 posts)
14. K&R nt
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:34 PM
backwoodsbob (5,926 posts)
15. My first three real jobs...not teenage while in school jobs
Cousins Windows...Home Window...and Framatome Connectors Interlock....I had a female supervisor.
I am sure thats not typical but in all three cases no one ever blinked an eye that a female was supervisor...no one cared |
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:42 PM
JDPriestly (48,285 posts)
17. I'm another woman who agrees with you, McCamy Taylor.
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 05:46 PM
mcar (2,115 posts)
18. Well said McCamy
And happy anniversary! SO and I just celebrated our 30th.
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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:22 PM
leftofcool (8,163 posts)
27. One of the best OP's I have ever read!
I am keeping this one in a folder.
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Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:35 PM
maindawg (787 posts)
29. 100 % behind you!
Women are going to be highly motivated. The more the rethugs bash Hillary, the more motivated women will be. Along with men like myself. I would rather vote for Elizebeth Warren, but I am very comfortable voting for Hillary. I think she is very smart, and I think she will get people who dont ordinarily pay attention to politics , to notice. That is the most important thing that Hillary or any strong female candidate can do for America and the world as a leader right now.
We have a very intelligent electorate out here who just dont vote because they think the system is the system.And anyone who has ever dealt with the system knows what that means. With a candidate who they think can win, a candidate who can win, all hell is going to break loose. If you thought they were irate when we elected a man of color , well, that was just a warm up. And when they are thrown out of the Senate too, at the same time.....expect them to not go quietly. We are stuck with the gerrymandered insane clown congress for another 4 years and beyond so, the only hope we have there is if the newly awakened electorate carries the day. And thats why its going to be open season on Women. Get ready for the most insane election ever. |
Response to McCamy Taylor (Original post)
Thu Apr 16, 2015, 06:44 PM
lumberjack_jeff (29,746 posts)
31. Both white and married women voted Republican in 2012.
The key isn't to get them to vote, they are 54% of voters after all. The key is to find a way to get them to reliably vote D.
Much the same approach we should take toward men. http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/11/women-are-not-a-unified-voting-bloc/265007/ Compared to the race, education and marital status gaps in election results, the gender gap is subtle. |