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[–]gratty 233 ポイント234 ポイント  (59子コメント)

What should I do in this situation?

Nothing. It's your adult son's problem, not yours.

What repercussions could he be facing?

Contempt of court; revocation of any probation he received; and/or I think a class D felony (2nd degree forgery, i.e., of a document to be filed with the court), which appears to be punishable by up to 7 years incarceration.

Paging /u/boathole to correct me - pick up the white courtesy phone!

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (58子コメント)

7 years incarceration.

Just to put that in perspective, this idiot is risking 50,000+ hours in prison and a felony on his record to avoid 15 hours of volunteer work...

Sorry OP, but I actually hope your son gets caught...

[–]money_run_things 45 ポイント46 ポイント  (26子コメント)

why would you hope he gets caught? Im sure you never did anything stupid when you were younger. I dont understand shit like this.

[–]RoboticElfJedi 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He's not a violent person or a menace to society. Lives will be ruined if he goes to jail with a felony record. I for one wouldn't wish that on somebody.

If he hasn't learned a lesson here then the karmic retribution will no doubt come later.

[–]PurpleWeasel 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

He had a chance not to go to jail. This was his chance, and he spit on it.

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thank you! This is why I would like to see him suffer the consequences of his actions.

He got caught doing something wreckless, and our justice system decided that he deserved a second chance. The moment he decided to lie to the courts so he wouldn't have to do half a day's work he threw his second chance away. He made his bed and now he has to sleep in it. It would be a shame if he got away with it as all that would do is reaffirm to him that lying works.

"Karmic retribution" be damned. Jail time and a criminal record is the perfect consequence for committing fraud against the justice system that gave you a second chance!

[–]patrickkevinsays 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I was sentenced 50 hours of community service when I was a young teenager and completed all 50 hours without a problem. It never even crossed my mind to fake it. I wouldn't have even dared do something so stupid.

The kid should be held responsible for being a lying idiot. 15 hours? Fuck, that could've been completed in two/three days.

[–]Number_06 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Speeding is stupid. Deliberately committing fraud and/or forgery to get out of the court-ordered penalty for speeding demonstrates a level of both stupidity and disregard for the law that merits a harsher penalty. I hope the kid gets caught.

[–]electricfistula -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (19子コメント)

That's stupid. You're stupid.

This kid doesn't need to lose a few years of his life for making a poor decision at 19.

[–]MaximumAbsorbency 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

19? He's not a kid, he's an adult.

[–]IT_Chef 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But he has the mental maturity of a 13 year old.

[–]BaintS 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (12子コメント)

kid needs a dose of reality. he dug his own grave.

for some people, a hard lesson is the only way they'll learn.

[–]InfanticideAquifer 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Going to prison for several years is not a "hard lesson". It's the end of one life and the beginning of another. A life where you can't get a good job. Where you're half a decade or more behind on your education, if you even have the means to continue it. Part of the reason repeat offending is so common is that, in our society, a serious criminal record completely precludes the sort of life most people want to have. If going to prison is a lesson, the lesson is "the person who you were is dead, now you have to fight the world to get anything". I can't think of a worse way to try to improve this kid's behavior.

[–]tankfox 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (8子コメント)

TIL crime should have no consequences because it might make life hard for the criminal

[–]InfanticideAquifer 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (7子コメント)

The point is that sending this kid to prison is more likely to turn him into a criminal (the "real" kind) than it is to help him in any way. There are definitely potential punishments that could be constructive. But prison isn't one of them.

[–]tankfox 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

He's speeding to the point of probation and then committing fraud on top of that. Sorry dude, he already is a 'real' criminal.

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

The effectiveness of the American justice system is an entirely different argument altogether. Committing fraud against the government deserves a harsh punishment, especially given these circumstances. Whether the "correctional system" will correct him is irrelevant, he still deserves the sentence.

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is exactly why one shouldn't commit fraud against the government.

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah, would you rather this kid walk away proud of himself for sticking it to the man, or would you rather him waste a few years behind bars thinking about how good he had it before he screwed up...

I would rather he learn that these kind of actions don't pay off than to let him get away with it so he can build up the confidence to do something worse.

[–]GreggoryBasore 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

There's a huge difference between a "poor decision" and "a willful act of forgery meant to defraud the court". Someone going to jail for prison for an attempt at fraud gets no pity.

[–]oneonetwooneonetwo 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah, you get into questions of what prison is for if not cases like this.

You can't even say the court hasn't tried alternatives like community service.

[–]Rodrommel 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

15 hours, bro... 15

Like, if I ever manage to sweet talk a judge into giving me community service for speeding, it's sure as hell ain't gonna be 15. Try ten times that. And that still was too much to bother doing.

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He already made poor decisions, and he was punished with 15 hours of community service for them, which is generous. Now he's committing fraud against the government. Losing a few years of your life is what happens when you pull that kind of brazen shit.

[–]Zeu4s 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Seems like a pretty harsh judgement there for youthful indiscretion. Years (and job opportunities) lost because of a dumbass decision?

[–]Romymopen 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Sorry, man, them's the breaks. He messed up, was offered a chance to correct his mistake, decided to consciously mess up again.

Tons of young people face the same fork in the road everyday and most make the right decision. Those are the people that deserve all those job opportunities, not losers who try to get one over because they can't be bothered to cover their pittance of a debt to society.

[–]realityno 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The kid should learn you cannot fraudulently report information to the government, yes, but to say that he should be imprisoned for 7 years for it, no. I'm not paying for it. Fine him like $500 and 700 supervised community service hours.

[–]PurpleWeasel 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because community service worked out so well last time?

He had a chance to get a punishment like this. This was his chance, and he blew it.

[–]oneonetwooneonetwo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah, giving him community service for forging the letter saying he'd completed his community service seems a bit ridiculous.

[–]Gauntlet_of_Might 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It'd be like Linday Lohan-ing him

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well, multiplying his community service requirements 45x and requiring them to be supervised does send a good message.

I remember back in grade school I was told to write "I will not _ again. It is wrong because _" 200 times. I sighed and said "200 isn't so bad". My teacher turned around and said "fine, 2000". I never talked back to a teacher while being punished again, because it was clear that if I thought that the punishment was "easy", I should just keep it to myself because that isn't the point of the punishment.

[–]blacknwhitelitebrite -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (13子コメント)

Come off it. The way our justice system handles traffic violations is theft and injustice in and of itself. This child made a mistake, and one which I doubt he understood the seriousness of it. Punishment should fit the crime. Make him do 200 hours community service, perhaps. Not 7 years prison. You'd get less for grand larceny...

[–]TheUltimateSalesman 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Dude, he made a mistake the first time. The 2nd time crossed a line in the sand. Lying to the court is bad, mkay?

[–]realityno 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He's a 19 year old and it's a speeding ticket get real. There is a reason insurers charge young men higher rates. He should have realized the lucky star he got with the speeding ticket but instead he committed a felony.

[–]CharlieLovesPie 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Please, he's no child. He can vote and be drafted (well, not actually drafted but you get the idea). Not saying he should go to prison or anything but by pretty much every measure he is an adult.

[–]SagittariaKnows 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

He can vote and be drafted enlist in the military

[–]srwilly 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He has to sign up for selective service in case of a draft being implemented so I understood CharlieLovesPie intent.

[–]SagittariaKnows 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Yeah. Everyone does. But it's still a volunteer force. (Barring raging stupidity somewhere in the world that the US jumps into)

[–]key2616 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Please. Hasn't Murphy's Law taught us enough about joking about the armed forces going somewhere?

[–]WBooz -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Everyone does

Men do

[–]parco-molo -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So? You think the government has any scruples about who it lets sign up for the military? A gun is a gun, whether it's in the hands of a child or a man is fairly irrelevant.

[–]realityno -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ok? He can't buy alcohol or really rent a car.

[–]BaintS 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I doubt he understood the seriousness of it.

well hes about to find out now.

[–]tinteoj 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

19 is not a child. It is certainly old enough to know right from wrong.

I won't say I hope he gets caught....but he certainly deserves to.

[–]batkarma 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes and no. The brain doesn't finish maturing until the mid twenties and

The parts of the brain responsible for more "top-down" control, controlling impulses, and planning ahead—the hallmarks of adult behavior—are among the last to mature.

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/the-teen-brain-still-under-construction/index.shtml

[–]oneonetwooneonetwo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tons of young people face the same fork in the road everyday and most make the right decision.

It's not even a Y fork in the road, there are plenty of ways to handle getting given community service for speeding that are less of a fuck up than forging a letter saying you've done it. He'd still be relatively better off if he'd just not done the community service.

You could do it all, do some of it, don't do it but then there's forge something from the non profit.

[–]Not_A_Meme -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's really harsh, you hope his son is going to go to jail for 7 years? Are you a jerk?

Kids are idiots, even kids who are 18

[–]RexBearcock 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

He said he hopes the kid gets caught, not necessarily that he gets sentenced to 7 years. Odds are he would get a sentence involving probation and significantly more community service, which I would be fine with.

[–]oneonetwooneonetwo 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

To be fair, I think community service is off the table for this one. Fool me once etc etc.

He's put himself well into felony level here. You're even getting into questions about whether it's a federal issue (e.g. did he mail the forged letter to the court?).

[–]Robdiesel_dot_com 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Can confirm.

Source: was idiot well into my 20s. Probably not entirely free & clear of it yet.

[–]RealityIsMyReligion 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

kids who are 18

The word you are looking for is Adult.

[–]TotesMessenger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

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