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[–]Mister-Manager 156 ポイント157 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Elsewhere in the post, someone accused the mods of accepting kickbacks like meeting with GoT celebs and possibly even getting future plot details in exchange for being a moderator. Never thought I'd see that shade of tinfoil in /r/asoiaf.

[–]dirtyrogue 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I think every moderator of a decently sized sub gets accused of being a paid shill for something. It's just part of being a mod. My other account mods a few smaller subs and we've been accused of accepting money from multiple sources.

[–]Stellar_Duck 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I wish I got paid for modding and I don't even do a lot of it compared to my comods. But damn, some sweet sweet cash for having to deal with all the racism? Sign me up!

[–]pewpewlasors 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Because many (most) mods have been caught doing just that, or trying to. Best example is /r/SkincareAddiction where mods were caught red-handed, trying to monetize their positions, and removed for it.

Reddit is nothing but another platform for advertising. Shills everywhere, advertising posts all over the frontpage, all the time, and mods that make rules, based on their desire to somehow monetize in the future.

Example: This post itself, and how mods are banning people from GoT subs, for talking about piracy, because they want to try and get something in the future for it.

[–]wwkkwaaa 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I think that was from an April Fool's day prank a few years ago. It pissed a lot of people off.

[–]Mister-Manager 36 ポイント37 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Here's the post I'm talking about:

Thing is, I'll bet the mods of this sub get "rewarded" plenty, whether it's swag, exclusive info, or even just the opportunity to interact with celebrities. While no reasonable person would have a problem with the /r/ASOIAF[1] mods collecting perks here and there considering the work they put into maintaining the sub, I get the nagging feeling that they are more worried about protecting their personal kickbacks rather than making a good faith, selflessly motivated decision to take some moral stance on piracy "for the good of the subreddit", especially since 1) it's widely acknowledged that a huge section of the fan base watches the show exclusively through torrents already and 2) I really see no practical reason why a thread created solely for those that have no problem with watching the leaked episodes would be a bad thing for this sub. They don't even have to sticky it if they're worried that will come of as some sort of approval to the content.

That's crossing into paranoia...

EDIT: But he's not making unfounded accusations of bribery. He's just completely sure in his unproven suspicions about mods receiving goods in exchange for their service and would like to share those unproven suspicions.

I should have been more clear. I wasn't saying they were being bribed, as people seem to be taking it. I would be completely shocked, however, if not a one of them is getting something out of their mod duties besides the joy of making subscribers happy.

[–]namer98Official JIDF Representative 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This actually can get a mod shadowbanned.

[–]wiresarereallybadShills for shekels 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Tinfoil does that to you.

[–]jmk4422 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Ha ha ha... yeah, a lot of people got upset about that. I still think it was funny.

[–]fdelta1Baron of the Neckbeard Oligarchy 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (8子コメント)

AFAIK, subreddit mods are not allowed to benefit (at least monetarily) from moderating subs. This sounds a lot like the /r/leagueoflegends mod drama from a few weeks ago.

[–]RemoveTheTop 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

AFAIK, subreddit mods are not allowed to benefit (at least monetarily) from moderating subs.

As a moderator of a thriving sub (on my main) I've been offered money to unban someone before...

It was weird. They got shadowbanned

[–]Quouar 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The same thing happened in /r/history. We all had a good laugh about it.

[–]Constantineus 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Accept money

HISTORY IS WRITTEN BY THE VICTORS

[–]Mr_Holmes 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean my god it takes like 5 seconds to make a new account if they were so desperate.

[–]xPoys3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

any links to the league drama?

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    [–]Wiseduck5 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    Wait, getting future plot details?

    So...they know someone who read the books?

    [–]Mister-Manager 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I think they meant either details about the show that aren't in the books, or tWOW details.

    [–]dacalpha 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well there are Elio and Linda, two acquaintances of GRRM who do have access to certain information regular fans don't. And Elio and Linda are on speaking terms with the /r/asoiaf mods. I have no idea (and no opinion) of whether or not the mods receive exclusive info from Elio and Linda, but I can see how people could get that idea.

    [–]GoneWildWaterBuffalo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    The show is nearly caught up the books now. In a few plotlines, it's actually ahead of the books.

    [–]Rsdd12 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Really? It's no surprise to me. That sub is batshit insane. They've gone crazy.

    [–]MogwoggleI pooped inside the VCR 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (16子コメント)

    Anyone else as confused as I am?

    Isn't /r/asoiaf meant to be specifically for the Book-Reading crowd?

    [–]HOU-1836 24 ポイント25 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    It leans towards the book reading but the show is discussed too.

    [–]dekuscrub 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    ADWD is 4 years old and the next one is probably at least a year away, so it's not hard to see why.

    [–]corduroyblack 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

    that's /r/pureasoiaf

    [–]MogwoggleI pooped inside the VCR 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    http://i.imgur.com/rrjqzvZ.gif

    [–]corduroyblack 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Your flair is... interesting.

    [–]FlamingJellyfish 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you think his flair looks interesting wait till you see the inside of his VCR

    [–]cicicatastrophe 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I'm pretty sure it started out that way, but since GoT, all the book readers started watching and /r/asoiaf is where they go to compare the show to the book.

    [–]Stats_monkey 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Well when it first started up the show wasn't even a thing.

    [–]GoneWildWaterBuffalo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    It is primarily geared towards people who've read the books but the show is heavily discussed there too. It's the primary source of discussion in the springtime but all throughout the year people are talking about casting announcements, set pictures, script leaks and official trailers in regards to what will make the show, what will be changed and what will be cut completely.

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      [–]Valenkrios 103 ポイント104 ポイント  (155子コメント)

      I'm really not getting the mods' side of this. Discussion of a topic doesn't equate to condoning the illegal actions taken. I'm not subbed there but if the mod team had previously stated that if you didn't want to be spoiled by leaked images, etc. then it's your own fault for being spoiled then how can they do a 180 on that rule?

      [–]bohknows 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (6子コメント)

      I get the impression that the sub is trying to be more directly involved with GoT creators, actors, GRRM, etc. - it's tough to get people to do AMAs or have discussions with writers without a policy of squashing even a hint of endorsing piracy. I don't know if that's the right move on the part of the mods, but I think that's their goal at least.

      [–]jmk4422 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (2子コメント)

      The zero tolerance policy for piracy was implemented after another subreddit's mods were told by the admins that they had to start cracking down on it. The rule was meant to keep things simple: no gray area, no debate, no "ifs" or "maybes" or "well in this case...". Nope: it was simple and unambiguous: promoting piracy would not be tolerated. Period.

      The rule was never meant to ban people for petty reasons, however. There is such a thing as issuing a warning first and there's always the ability to lift a ban. Unfortunately it seems like the mod-team has forgotten about that. Sad. I would never have made a zero-tolerance policy if I'd known it would be abused like this.

      [–]woeeij 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      How is that possible when there are entire subreddits devoted to piracy, like /r/piracy?

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        [–]Shill4ShekelsShill for big shill 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        They're being pretty insane about it though, for example this deleted comment was a series of obviously silly spoilers for episodes that haven't even leaked, covered by spoiler tags. They're also deleting speculation that seems like it may have been influenced by the leaks even if it hadn't. It's like they haven't even watched the episodes and they're trying to guess what might be spoilers. It's really ruining any discussion.

        [–]motherflutter 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I think that's highly likely as well.

        [–]RoboticParadoxGen. Top Lellington, OBE 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        i mean they could just retroactively delete discussions on that when trying to "clean up" for cast & crew AMAs. the cat's been out of the bag re: leaked episodes for four days now, it's a little too late to explain the clampdown to a large userbase already accustomed to relatively hands-off moderation without a baratheon-sized shitstorm on your hands.

        (now i'm just imagining the /r/asoiaf mods as charlie from always sunny plugging the furnace in the basement so the rats flee from the monoxide buildup during a health inspection.)

        [–]corduroyblack 112 ポイント113 ポイント  (112子コメント)

        They're trying hard but are doing a bad job overall.

        Meanwhile, they're banning anyone who even mentions the leaks immediately. I got perma-banned for offering to tell people what happened on the leak shows (note - I didn't actually post any spoilers or links to leaks). They said that offering to tell people (in PM, mind you) was encouraging piracy.

        Then they admitted they just banned me because "it was the final straw" for me, as I once called someone stupid about 3 months ago, and was apparently not nice enough when criticizing the mods.

        I asked one mod directly about it. This was the response.

        http://i.imgur.com/n1RuJkE.png

        So... it's entirely personal. Ban users you don't like. I mean... I get what modding is. A thankless job and a lot of work for no benefits. But its telling that they're banning long-time users based on personality conflicts. And then gloating about it. Then threatening me to not screenshot it and post it.

        And that point, I just said fuck it.

        [–]SoldierOf4Chan 66 ポイント67 ポイント  (53子コメント)

        The mods of that subreddit have always been crazy. I once got banned (on another account) for making a joke that mocked England (I said beer was better cold). They apparently keep files on every single poster and have regular meetings to discuss the people they do and don't like. They said the real reason I was banned was for a comment someone told them I made and quickly deleted. There was literally no way to defend myself against it.

        They are exactly the sort of people that form HOAs.

        [–]corduroyblack 51 ポイント52 ポイント  (45子コメント)

        Yeah. They clearly keep files on users. /u/Jen_snow was referencing things I said like... 20 months ago. I had joked that she had turned on another mod (/u/jmk4422) who was removed. And she remembered it. Yesterday. How is that possible? My reddit memory is about a week long.

        [–]Meneth 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        They probably use the mod toolbox' note system. It really is great at keeping track of things related to individuals.

        In the subs I mod they're mostly used to note "this user got banned/warned for this offense" so that if someone appeals the ban reason is easy to find, and so that punishment can gradually be ramped up if someone keeps breaking the rules.

        [–]corduroyblack 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Huh. TIL. I've never used that before.

        [–]Meneth 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I'd never go back to not using the toolbox now. So much great stuff:

        • User notes, as mentioned
        • Banning users directly from their comment
        • Messaging users (as the sub) directly from their comment
        • Changing users' flair directly from their comment
        • Mass approving/removing posts/comments
        • Push alerts for new modmail and PMs
        • Lots of other stuff I've probably forgotten

        [–]corduroyblack 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Holy crap. I had no idea that was even available.

        [–]Meneth 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Well now you know. More info in /r/toolbox.

        [–]jmk4422 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        In fairness to Jen (and trust me, I'm not exactly a fan of hers), she probably just had you tagged in RES. I highly doubt she keeps a dossier on every person she doesn't like; she just tags people and then goes through her message history for reminders of their crimes. That said, she doesn't strike me as a person who is capable of forgiveness. Cross her once, upset her just one time, and you're dead to her.

        [–]corduroyblack 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        As someone else said - I bet they use toolbox or some mod tools like that. Makes sense because it can keep track of old history easily.

        [–]Shill4ShekelsShill for big shill 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        When you were ousted you alleged that there was some shady stuff going on with the mod team. I know you don't want to go into specifics, but do you think this is related?

        Edit: uncorrected autocorrect.

        [–]jmk4422 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        It's related only in the sense that I had become the only voice that argued for the community. One mod stated that the community didn't matter and should be ignored. Another said that new rules didn't need to be debated in public before being implemented. Another said that we didn't even need to define the rules in the first place.

        I was against all of that because, cheesy as it sounds, I always believed in a sense of community. That became an unpopular viewpoint for many of the moderators there.

        [–]Rusty5hackleford 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (23子コメント)

        Jesus that sub is the worst run sub of any show. Pity such a good show has to have such an incompetent and idiotic mod team. Wish I knew where a better GoT sub was.

        [–]ryseing 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (9子コメント)

        /r/gameofthrones is the show only one. There's also a true ASOIAF sub for just the books.

        [–]libbykino 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (8子コメント)

        Nope.

        [–]bitterredi wanna love someone the way kanye loves kanye 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        This was two subs more complicated than I thought it would be.

        [–]S133py 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        You should see their sidebar. There's at least another half dozen more GoT subs covering a variety of things.

        [–]missdemeanant 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        And then there's this

        [–]SerAardvark 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I'd say the distinction between /r/gameofthrones and /r/asoiaf has little to do with being casual or hardcore and more to do with how the person entered the fandom (book or show) and what their interest in the fandom is.

        /r/gameofthrones isn't show-only, but it is more focused on the show than the books and has the majority of the show-only and show-first fans. There's definitely some interest in the books, but they're rarely discussed in much detail outside the context of the show.

        /r/asoiaf isn't book-only, but it definitely has more of a focus on the books and the discussion of the show is heavily influenced by its much larger book-reader population. The current number of show-related discussions is also a result of the relative lack of new material to discuss from the book universe now that a decent amount of time has passed since TWOIAF was published and the show's latest season has begun.

        Speaking as a pretty 'hardcore' fan of both the books and the shows, I mostly frequent the former to discuss the show because it feels slightly freer from the "but in the books..." present in the latter (and on westeros.org) while still having room for book knowledge/book-related analysis.

        [–]PurinPuri 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        The conversations I've had on /r/asoiaf regarding the show have been more insightful and rewarding that the ones I've had on /r/gameofthrones. Also, demonstrably fewer memes and sigil cakes.

        But the situation caused by the leaks and the mods' reactions to them has been very unpleasant.

        [–]VicieuxRose 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        /r/asoiaf may produce some Valyrian steel grade tinfoil from time to time, but the discussion there is good. We make jokes and stuff but I learn new things in the books from time to time.

        [–]WorldOneWon 33 ポイント34 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        I take it you haven't seen much of /r/asoiaf outside of this drama? 99% of the time it is a great sub

        [–]vault101damner 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        /r/piratesofthrones has 1300 subscribers and getting bigger.

        [–]dacalpha 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        With the exception of the rather silly drama going on right now, /r/asoiaf is a spectacularly modded sub. At least in my three years of experience, I've rarely had any trouble with the mods. I've gotten a warning for being a dick before (which I was doing, tbh), and they removed a few of my comments when they were improperly spoiler tagged, but as soon as I fixed the tag, it was returned. I find that the mods are usually pretty friendly and efficient, and a few of them are also contributors of quality content.

        /r/gamofthrones definitely has worse mods. Some of the mods there are completely power hungry and clearly have no life outside of reddit. I unsubbed from /r/gameofthrones a little over a year ago when they started banning people for correcting others on Daenerys' actual name (Khaleesi is a title like Queen), insisting that calling her Khaleesi was equally acceptable. I'd rather have quality discussion than pictures of cute action figures and dragon cookies.

        [–]shakypearsAnd then war broke out and everyone died. 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

        It's run very similarly to the Westeros.org forums. Wonder if she mods there, too.

        [–]Viserion_Baratheon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

        Don't get me started on asoiaf.westeros.org. Damn that place to the seven hells.

        [–]shakypearsAnd then war broke out and everyone died. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

        LINDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA must be peeved over the episode leaks. Poor Elio's going to get it.

        How many cities and nations do you think they've permabanned from the boards since Saturday?

        [–]Viserion_Baratheon 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

        Hundreds.

        No, thousands.

        [–]shakypearsAnd then war broke out and everyone died. 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        I'd be surprised if they haven't banned half the planet yet.

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          [–]MikeClefton 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I went to the forbidden subreddit. They even banned someone for saying it's too overwhelming to flag everything. At this point I don't care about r/asoiaf or the books or the show but this drama has potential to be huge.

          [–]SoldierOf4Chan 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Sorry? The forbidden subreddit?

          [–]fdelta1Baron of the Neckbeard Oligarchy 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          /r/piratesofthrones

          [–]TheAngryBartender 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The sub that shall not be named.

          [–]Rhamni 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          My guess is their notes are just personal RES tags. With the whole button thing I started my own subreddit because pretend factionalism is fun, and immediately it starts being fun and practical to tag users with a reminder to yourself about what they've done before. on the button subreddit it's mostly been tags like 'Heretic', 'Subversive', 'Has an alt with a coloured flair', 'suspected Redguard', etc, but I can imagine someone on a powertrip using the RES tagging to keep tabs on 'people who annoy me'.

          [–]SoldierOf4Chan 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Eh, maybe, but they seem to share notes. They're cataloging it all somehow, and having regular conversations about the users.

          [–]motherflutter 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (15子コメント)

          I remember when Jen got elected to be a mod and I was excited. She was always a pretty good user and knew her shit. I really supported her. I have no idea what happened here. She went overboard on this leaking stuff.

          [–]jmk4422 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (12子コメント)

          She wasn't elected to become a mod. I made her a mod despite some severe misgivings during her audition. Oops.

          [–]BadMother-Fucker 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Why are you not a mod anymore?

          [–]Dear_OccupantThree feminist toddlers in an overcoat 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Because of this.

          Here's what the founding mod of /r/asoiaf had to say in response. /u/jmk4422 is not exactly unbiased with regard to the /r/asoiaf mod team.

          [–]BadMother-Fucker 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There's entirely too much drama for me to get into there but it's hilarious that in that thread there's people arguing about being censored for promoting pirating the books.

          [–]jmk4422 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (7子コメント)

          I still find that response of his hilarious. It's such a blatant lie that it boggles the mind. But, alas, people ate it up.

          Anyway, as stated before, he's a MINO anyway. A Moderator In Name Only. He created the subreddit, sure. But until he made me a mod there the place was absolutely dead. And the only times he ever contributed anything after I built the subreddit up from the ground floor was to promise me he'd have my back if the other mods got mad at me.

          Yeah... he promised that. He really and truly did. My role was to be the "bad cop" because he didn't want to point out any mistakes or problems with the other mods because doing so might make them not like him. That's the god's honest truth. I was never a jerk about it but I was willing to be the bad cop for the sake of the subreddit and its community. Why? Because he'd promised that he had my back.

          Until, of course, he didn't. Lesson learned.

          [–]Dear_OccupantThree feminist toddlers in an overcoat 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I don't know the whole story about that drama, and absolutely no one involved disputes that you were a major, major contributor to that sub. That opinion, as far as I can tell, is unanimous.

          But as someone who just likes to hang out in in /r/asoiaf and talk about the material, you aren't doing that subreddit or its community any favors by talking shit about the mods in here. I've had experience with this sort of drama outside of internet forum moderation, and what you're doing right now makes it hard for the people who are doing the job you used to do.

          When you're on a team with people who are doing their best to do a good job, you're going to see them fuck up. You're going to see them make mistakes. I've been in situations in the past where I could go public with internal disagreements and cause trouble for people I used to work with. I never did that and I never will because I respect the process we decided on beforehand for handling that shit. I agreed to the deal we made together and I don't break my deals.

          You're letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. More than anyone else among their critics, you know what they're going through right now. You're not making things any better for anyone by taking public potshots at them when a major shitstorm erupts. You know damn good and well what a huge deal this leak is. You could be helping out right now if you cared about that sub and the community that meets there, but instead you're doing this. You're bitching about /u/Jen_Snow, but you sound to me like you doth complain too much.

          That's what I mean when I say you have a bias. I don't find your complaints credible. Right now, you're helping /r/SubredditDrama more than /r/asoiaf.

          [–]PervertedBatman 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          But as someone who just likes to hang out in in /r/asoiaf[1] and talk about the material, you aren't doing that subreddit or its community any favors by talking shit about the mods in here. I've had experience with this sort of drama outside of internet forum moderation, and what you're doing right now makes it hard for the people who are doing the job you used to do.

          If being a mod was easy everyone would be a mod and how is it his job to make modding the sub easier? that sounds like the job of the mods.

          When you're on a team with people who are doing their best to do a good job, you're going to see them fuck up. You're going to see them make mistakes. I've been in situations in the past where I could go public with internal disagreements and cause trouble for people I used to work with. I never did that and I never will because I respect the process we decided on beforehand for handling that shit. I agreed to the deal we made together and I don't break my deals.

          Has he made any such deals? Even if he did, in the comment you're responding to he isn't giving any specific examples.

          You're letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. More than anyone else among their critics, you know what they're going through right now. You're not making things any better for anyone by taking public potshots at them when a major shitstorm erupts. You know damn good and well what a huge deal this leak is. You could be helping out right now if you cared about that sub and the community that meets there, but instead you're doing this. You're bitching about /u/Jen_Snow[2] , but you sound to me like you doth complain too much.

          It is possible to both like the community and dislike where it is heading or what the mods are doing with it. Else are you saying that anyone that disagrees with a rule on a sub doesn't really like the sub/Its Community?

          No one should be above receiving backlash or criticism over their actions as you said we are bound to see people fuck up. Jen Snow fucked up on the bansAt least Apparently so and there is no good reason to not criticize her actions it is something people don't want repeated.

          You Know sometimes it is the mod that ruin the communities, loving the community has nothing to do with this.

          That's what I mean when I say you have a bias. I don't find your complaints credible. Right now, you're helping /r/SubredditDrama[3] more than /r/asoiaf[4] .

          As opposed to you where you swing the other way fully? You dont have a bias? because you seem to want to protect mod action over the communities well being.

          100% if mods are allowed to ban people because of personal reasons that will impact the community in a negative light. Wanting the mod team to seem perfect when its not isn't helping out the community it is helping the mod team put up a facade.

          Ill take who doesn't try to sell me bullshit as someone more credible than someone who doesn't anyday :)

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            [–]Yui108 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Audition?

            [–]TheFunBurglar 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Aerys II was pretty popular starting out, too.

            [–]Phaelin 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            And then fucking Duskendale and their leaks. Constantly PMing him.

            [–]LambanoActually it was about bots' rights 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            Seems like another typical case of mod powers going to someone's head again.

            [–]wiresarereallybadShills for shekels 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Who mod a sub about mostly power hungry despots.

            [–]lenaro 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Oh, HBO's not that bad.

            [–]WorldOneWon 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (21子コメント)

            Then they admitted they just banned me because "it was the final straw" for me, as I once called someone stupid about 3 months ago, and was apparently not nice enough when criticizing the mods.

            According to your own post:

            I have been consistently critical of the subs policies for years. I guess I just never realized how personally they took that. My mistake I guess

            ...

            Over time? They used to do a fan fiction battle tournament. I mocked it and said it violated the subs own ban on fan fiction. I called Preston Jacobs dumb once. I hinted that /u/jmk4422 was turned on by Jen_snow. That was a total joke.

            You admit yourself that you constantly push their buttons. Don't try to play this off like you haven't been warned before

            [–]DornishRedViperUnpopped, Unbuttered, Unsalted 59 ポイント60 ポイント  (13子コメント)

            I didn't get the impression that he was playing it down at all. I think that was the point that /u/corduroyblack was trying to make - this mod was looking for a reason to ban him because he was pushing buttons. If you can't handle the occasional troll or difficult poster, don't be a moderator. It was really petty to sit there and gloat about it then threaten him if he took screenshots. So, neither one is lily-white here, but I think mods should be held to a higher standard than this.

            [–]HOU-1836 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (12子コメント)

            Mods aren't elected. They appoint themselves to run a community how they see fit.

            [–]wilstI can't believe it's not butts 44 ポイント45 ポイント  (6子コメント)

            And people in the community can criticize as they see fit.

            [–]ArabIDF 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Exactly! "Mods have the right to be unreasonable and do whatever they want with a subreddit" is used all the time as an excuse to shut down complaints. But I have a right to bitch about them on SRD too so what a shitty argument. It's turtles all the way down.

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              [–]corduroyblack 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

              I agree. I guess I'm just... annoyed by the ban more than anything. The hypocrisy of saying I'm banned for piracy (when I did no such thing) when the reality (as admitted by one mod above) is that I really just irritated them too much, so they banned me. Which is their right - they're the mods - they have all the power. I have none.

              [–]corduroyblack 25 ポイント26 ポイント  (6子コメント)

              Yeah - I'm admitting that they "warned" me before. I'm saying now citing to those warnings is bullshit because they were so absurdly minor. They first banned me for an incorrect reason, I objected, then they flipped and said it was "the final straw". Well... I didn't do anything wrong, so how could anything be the final straw?

              I commented there every day for about 3-4 years. I'm sure you could find more than 2-3 instances of exceedingly small rule violations.

              I'm not pushing buttons. That implies I'm being a dick or trolling. Unless they just want an echo chamber, you need people to actually be critical. I was also very upfront in complimenting all the hard work they did for no pay.

              If I get banned for simply not kissing their asses, then so be it. It's kind of ironic how awfully the book series depicts shallow kiss-asses, and how insane the people in power tend to be (the Targaryens, Janos Slynt, Cersei). Then the mods go and act the exact same way... Life mimicking art, really.

              Oh well. It's just the internet. Now this is just getting amusing.

              [–]WorldOneWon 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (5子コメント)

              I'll admit, I'm a bit pissed right now because some assholes decided to spoil shit for me when I was trying to avoid discussion of the leaks.

              But my guess is that it's a few bad apples spoil the bunch. Mods are probably dealing with hundreds of complaints and vitriol being spit at them. And even I will admit that Jen_Snow was being an ass about your ban.

              My guess is when things finally die down, one of the other mods will lift the ban.

              [–]corduroyblack 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

              That's bullshit man. I'm really sorry someone did that to you.

              My thought? I think people are getting pissed at the mods behavior and deciding to troll in response. Shit - I was tempted! The response is... "oh you're going to ban me? watch this...."

              [–]whynotbcuz 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

              That doesn't excuse it. "Change the rules to what we want or we're going to deliberately spoil the show for people" is immature and asinine.

              [–]jared0h 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              While I agree, I don't think it is unreasonable to allow people to direct those who want to discuss the leaks to another sub. All it would have taken is either seperate posts in that sub for the leaked episodes or a quick psa about the forbidden sub and everything would have been sweet and none of this would have happened.

              [–]corduroyblack 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              I agree. I'm not excusing it, I'm saying that I think that's exactly what happened. Its a backlash to mods going overboard. They're inviting the trolls to react.

              [–]jmk4422 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              My guess is when things finally die down, one of the other mods will lift the ban.

              I highly, highly doubt that. Most of the mod team either loves her or fears her. Saying something she disagrees with is like daring to criticize that popular kid at school. He or she may not retaliate against you directly but you can be sure as hell-fire that they'll have one of their cronies do it for them.

              No-- this is classic Jen. Trust me, she is not going to lift that ban, ever. To do so would be to admit (GASP!) that she made a mistake. That she did something wrong. Jen is incapable of that level of introspection or humility.

              [–]Euron_CrowsEye 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

              She's always been a jack ass. I got threatened with a ban over a joke because she thought it was offensive. Mods a sub for a book series full of rape, including rape of minors, murder, slavery, and all sorts of torture and can't take an insensitive joke.

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                [–]TywinsChamberpot 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (16子コメント)

                I really like the mods over there (its a great community), but I'm perplexed by this as well. I mean, they allow discussion of all the released chapters - many of which have to be pirated to be read. I'm not sure I see the difference.

                [–]HOU-1836 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                I think the distinction lies in that the chapters don't have to be pirated to read. Just can be. There is no legal way to have seen episodes 1-4 before hand if you weren't a reviewer.

                [–]wilstI can't believe it's not butts 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (12子コメント)

                But the information was already out there before the show was leaked. I knew 90% of what happened in the pilot before I watched it because that information had been released by reviewers and script leaks. If the reviewers weren't supposed to give out that information, then the mod team was encouraging an illegal way to attain that info, and if the reviewers were approved to give out that information, it's weird to suddenly ban anyone who knows it.

                [–]HOU-1836 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (11子コメント)

                I didn't know what was gonna happen in the pilot beyond my own reading of the books. Just because you CAN find the information doesn't mean it HAS to be acceptable on their sub. And just because you have the info doesn't mean you should go blab it to others.

                I bet that you are especially spoiler wary and tag everything correctly. But others aren't like you. So the mods made a stance and we live with it. They certainly didn't do it for their own benefit because it already got spoiled for them. Regardless, thus is the internet, there is more than one place to discuss this information.

                [–]wilstI can't believe it's not butts 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (10子コメント)

                Of course it doesn't have to be acceptable on the subreddit, but the fact is that a week ago, their official policy was "you have to accept that Spoilers All will include this information", and now their official policy is banning you if you mention it.

                [–]TywinsChamberpot 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Fair point. I do support their decision, as I watch the episodes at a local bars watch party, so this makes it a heck of a lot easier to avoid spoilers.

                [–]HOU-1836 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I get why some people pirate but I never understood the sense of entitlement. I support HBO with my money so that they can do more of the same. I like watching everything and then checking twitter to see what's up. I'm glad the mods took a stance.

                [–]wrc-wolftrolls trolling trolls 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Exactly. As /u/mysticalmisogynistic pointed out

                If we trusted people to use tags 3 days ago, we need to trust them to be civil now.

                There's already a system in place to handle leaked/spoiler information. The mods are just trying to make a big show of making some sort of "stand against internet piracy" in order to try and encourage more AMAs from those involved with the show or the books.

                [–]shakypearsAnd then war broke out and everyone died. 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                Well, apparently they're using automod to subshadowban users posting on the leak sub.

                That's getting into straight silly territory.

                [–]dacalpha 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                It seems like that's not true. I've posted on both subs, and haven't been banned yet. Stay tuned for updates.

                [–]wilstI can't believe it's not butts 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Ditto, I'm not yet banned. Fingers crossed! /r/asoiaf is one of my favorite subreddits, besides here and /r/relationships. I'd hate to be banned from two outta three.

                [–]shakypearsAnd then war broke out and everyone died. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                Just don't pirate them!

                [–]dacalpha 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I would never encourage other people to pirate the episodes ;-)

                [–]MikeClefton 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                I get why they don't and its because the subreddit as a whole has to keep in good standing with the show production and george. But I'm sure they could have just redirected people to the forbidden subreddit and they'd have the argument that its the best way to keep the filth of their subreddit.

                I find the most interesting thing is how the mods have long standing grudges with many users.

                Why would anyone want to be a mod? It's a more laughable version of a school hall monitor or a mall rent a cop all without the pay.

                [–]Dear_OccupantThree feminist toddlers in an overcoat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                Discussion of a topic doesn't equate to condoning the illegal actions taken.

                You don't see how hosting a discussion exclusively for people who obtained an illicit copy of the show without paying for it (which is what a [Spoilers Leaked] tag amounts to) is condoning piracy?

                Here's a metaphor: I'm throwing a party. I invite all ages, and I'm serving alcohol, but I'm not serving alcohol to minors. So in order to keep the underage party-goers from feeling left out, I designate a BYOB room. When the cops show up and bust me for having underage drinkers in my house, do you think they'll accept the defense, "It not like I bought them the alcohol, officer." No, but I did provide the space for them to do something they shouldn't have been doing. I'm an accessory to the crime.

                The /r/asoiaf mods are trying to keep their hands clean, and for good reason. Not to mention the fact that they have had an anti-piracy policy from day one in that sub and this reaction on their part should have been 100% predictable to anyone who frequents it regularly.

                [–]Halgrind 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                I've been an HBO subscriber for years. I payed and will be paying for the show. What does it matter if I see them a few weeks early?

                [–]Avoo 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Well, not everyone is an HBO subscriber, of course.

                Not that I agree with Dear Occupant, but still.

                [–]Dear_OccupantThree feminist toddlers in an overcoat 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                That's between you and HBO. The /r/asoiaf mods have nothing to do with the payment status of your cable bill and they definitely have neither the time nor the obligation to navigate the murky ethics of whether or not that constitues piracy. They run a discussion forum.

                [–]Halgrind 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                Exactly. They run a discussion forum. They shouldn't be involved in ethics. Half the internet has seen them already. They make themselves irrelevant by banning discussion.

                [–]bobjammit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                I've been wondering that as well. At first I was thinking they wanted people tuning in for commercials, but then remembered there are no commercials. Maybe they want people to sit around and end up watching whatever comes on next.

                [–]jmk4422 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                The /r/asoiaf mods are trying to keep their hands clean, and for good reason.

                Exactly. Mods aren't paid to do their jobs (and no, there are no "kick-backs" or anything of the sort) so it's in their best interest to keep things simple. I absolutely agree with the zero tolerance policy regarding piracy for a whole host of reasons (not least of which being the fact that I was the one who created it at /r/asoiaf).

                However, in this particular situation I think the mods are being petty and unfair. A person makes a mistake, they own up to it and agree not to do it again, and they still get banned? And for what? Because they broke a different rule thirteen months ago? Really?

                One final point: it's not like there aren't any options other than a banning or not-banning. A mod can also issue warning and delete comments. He or she can give temporary bans while discussing the situation. Pulling out the ban-hammer should be the final option, I always felt. I only ever used it for obvious trolls and the most egregious of offenses. Using it because you just don't like a person and they technically, sort of violated the piracy policy? That's ridiculous.

                [–]Barl0weoh god how did this get here I am not good with computers 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                Azor Ohai, Mark!

                Great. Now I'm imagining Tommy Wiseau in the world of Westeros :P

                [–]BFKelleherאתה יכול לקרוא בעברית 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                This stuff isn't happening in a vacuum. The same exact thing is happening on ASOIAF community Westeros.org. It's likely that the mods want to remain friendly with the owners of Westeros.org (very in the know fans who are friends with the author) in order to keep them coming back for AMA's and such.

                [–]MikeClefton 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                Between George's treatment and lackluster pace with the books and D&Ds poorly thought out changes for the show I've kind of lost interest in the world of ice and fire. Which is good as now I can better enjoy this thread of popcorn and butter.

                [–]motherflutter 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                I'm halfway there with you. I've lost interest in the show. I still absolutely love the books and am planning to reread them again once I finish Dark Tower but the show got cancelled after those first 3 episodes as far as I'm concerned.

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                  [–]purefabulousity 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The mods stance is just silly. I get the no piracy part, but the rest is nuts.

                  [–]ttumblrbots 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  SnapShots: 1, 2, 3 [?]

                  doooooogs (seizure warning)

                  [–]AllSeeingGoatWizard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Everyone's fighting and here I am just twiddling my thumbs and waiting 4 weeks for the next episode.

                  [–]GoneWildWaterBuffalo 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  First hand casualty of the drama here. I got banned from /r/asoiaf for linking to /r/piratesofthrones today.

                  [–]Third_Ferguson 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  What's up with these mods man? This is the dumbest reason to alienate your subscribers I've ever seen!

                  [–]bitterredi wanna love someone the way kanye loves kanye 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (61子コメント)

                  I really don't love that people hate the /r/asoiaf mods get. They do a lot of work trying to make the subreddit navigable even for people who haven't caught all the way up.

                  I'm still undecided on whether I want to watch the leaked episodes or not.

                  [–]WG47 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (43子コメント)

                  I briefly considered it, but I've waited long enough for new episodes.

                  If I watched all 4 when they leaked, that'd be a nice binge, but 5 weeks of no new episodes.

                  That and the quality of them is crap. I'll wait and watch them in HD.

                  [–]Xobics 56 ポイント57 ポイント  (25子コメント)

                  The quality is actually pretty good, I feel like the quality thing is just a comfortable lie everyone wants to tell themselves so they don't watch them.

                  [–]bitterredi wanna love someone the way kanye loves kanye 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                  I feel a little bad that HBO finally made HBO Go a la carte and they got repaid by having an immediate leak of their episodes.

                  [–]shakypearsAnd then war broke out and everyone died. 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                  Well, a la carte with iOS devices. The rest of us are kind of stuck.

                  [–]bitterredi wanna love someone the way kanye loves kanye 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                  I think you just need an apple ID, but can use it in any browser

                  Signing up for HBO Now through Apple does not restrict viewing to Apple devices. In addition to iPhones, iPads, and Apple TVs, you can also watch HBO Now through any desktop web browser, using the password you create during sign-up. (By extension, you can use a Chromecast to beam the video from a browser to your television.) An Android app is also coming soon, and HBO says it’s working to support “additional devices” in the future.

                  [–]shakypearsAnd then war broke out and everyone died. 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                  You have to be able to download the app to be able to subscribe to the service. You can't download the app if you don't have an iOS device.

                  From that same article:

                  Most users need an Apple device to sign up … HBO isn’t selling HBO Now directly to users. Instead, it’s working with third parties such as Apple, which is signing up and billing users through iTunes on iOS devices. HBO is also partnering with Internet service providers to handle sign ups and billing, though Cablevision is the only one on board for now.

                  What this means in practice is that you currently need an iPhone, iPad, or Apple TV to sign up for HBO Now, unless you live in an area where Cablevision provides Internet service. This is going to be the case for at least 90 days, during which Apple is the exclusive non pay-TV provider for HBO Now.

                  [–]bitterredi wanna love someone the way kanye loves kanye 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Ugh, sucks.

                  [–]hadriker 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yep. I was already to purchase HBO now. For GoT and Silicon Valley. I don't have cable so I guess its back to a piratin'

                  [–]shakypearsAnd then war broke out and everyone died. 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  Yeah. When I heard about the service, the first thing I did was figure out how I could sign up, because I've been waiting for them to roll something like Now out for ages.

                  [–]NonaSuomi282 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                  I don't really see how those two are related at all. One is a service they now offer to consumers which will only serve to increase their revenue, the other is a result of shitty security policies at some level or another and is entirely their own fault.

                  [–]bohknows 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Pirating is closely related to the available legal distribution services - a lot of people (but not all) are willing to pay a reasonable amount for media, and will only resort to piracy if there isn't a reasonable alternative. HBO was probably the biggest example of this, as it would cost like $100 a month (if you didn't have cable already) to watch their shows, and Game of Thrones ended up being by far the most pirated TV show ever.

                  I'm not saying that there is any direct relationship between the new HBO Now and this leak, but I would guess that one of the main reasons HBO started offering a standalone streaming service was to bring some of those millions of pirates into the fold. It just sucks that a huge leak like this happens right when Now gets going. Not a great point for the side pushing for more internet distribution of media in general.

                  [–]Peritract 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  Pirating is closely related to the available legal distribution services - a lot of people (but not all) are willing to pay a reasonable amount for media, and will only resort to piracy if there isn't a reasonable alternative.

                  "Reasonable" is such a nebulous idea. It seems to shift every time producers try to offer "reasonable" alternatives.

                  [–]bohknows 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  That's definitely true. But I think almost everyone would agree that HBO's cable subscription-only model was unreasonable.

                  [–]bitterredi wanna love someone the way kanye loves kanye 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                  Once upon a time, I would pirate GoT because I didn't have cable (or HBO) and there was no way to get it without saddling myself with cable, and at the time my apartment wasn't equipped to put in cable.

                  Now, I'm able to have the service I want, and I don't download.

                  [–]NonaSuomi282 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  And that relates to this situation... how, exactly? You're saying this as if GALC being launched is somehow related to this leak, or like the leak was somehow motivated or facilitated by GALC's launch. You're talking about this as if it might dissuade HBO from continuing their new service, but I see absolutely no correlation at all.

                  And now you come in with an anecdote about how you no longer pirate their stuff, which I don't see as being related to either previous point. Where is the connection between any of this?

                  [–]bitterredi wanna love someone the way kanye loves kanye 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's not directly related, but having an a la cart service is something consumer have wanted for a long time, and it's finally available. I know the leaks won't dissuade them from continuing the service, but it just seems shitty for someone to leak the episodes, both for consumers (who don't want to pirate) and HBO.

                  [–]DornishRedViperUnpopped, Unbuttered, Unsalted 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                  It is, my TV is 720p and I couldn't tell the difference between regular HBO and the leaked screeners. Maybe it's different if you have a brand-new super crisp TV, but I could tell no difference whatsoever.

                  [–]CapnTBC 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The only bad scene was one at night in one episode after that it was all fine. The other episodes were always good quality aswell.

                  [–]GoneWildWaterBuffalo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  It's not bad but I wouldn't call it good either. The lack of quality was really noticeable in the darker scenes. The show is watchable enough that a bit of pixelation is easy to get past.

                  [–]Rhamni 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                  The quality is just as good as the torrents you get after the episodes air normally. Maybe if you only watch things in FullHD there's a difference, but to me, full screen viewing was not sub par in the slightest.

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                    [–]oikoik1 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                    HD snobs are so irritating, on the level of steak snobs for me

                    [–]perfecthashbrowns 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                    I caved in. ;_; I could not resist and then I regretted it right after the last episode ended because you're right, now the wait is a month long. The quality is great though.

                    Don't do it, /u/WG47. Don't make my mistake.

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                      [–]hotcod 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                      I'm not, I like the weekly watch and weekly discussion in /r/asoiaf which is something I'd be completely avoiding, even as a book reader, if talk of the leaks was allowed.

                      Some of the mods are reacting badly but it's only because the other side is full of spoiled (ha, get it?) children. Good for popcorn, not so good for the sub/

                      [–]bitterredi wanna love someone the way kanye loves kanye 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                      I assume that if discussion of leaks were allowed, they would be forced to spoiler tag them.

                      [–]hotcod 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      The issue is that that is not a perfect system but it gets by because it's mostly agreed that that if you are not up to date you are choosing to run a risk by going there. The issue here is about what you'd now conceder "up to date" to mean and thus who gets preference. The mods made a choice, the people on the other side got pissy.

                      [–]casualassassin 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

                      The problem is that people don't use spoiler tags in /r/asoiaf properly. On any given moment, >80% of the posts on the front page are tagged "Spoilers All", then it only discusses one book. I understand why they do it (in order to allow discussion of the entire series without tags), but it's still using the tag the wrong way.

                      If they allowed leaks to be discussed, it would fall under "Spoilers All", which every episode discussion is tagged as.

                      [–]Avoo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                      They should simply let people tag things as, for example, "S504." I don't think it is that complicated, honestly.

                      [–]HOU-1836 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                      Yes but people still won't do it correctly. How often have you been on a subreddit and people haven't even bothered to read the sidebar.

                      [–]Avoo 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                      I don't think it would be too problematic, especially how quick they are. If anything that's what moderation is for.

                      Going by the previous comments of the mods, I think it may simply that because they haven't seen the leaks they don't want to do it and spoil themselves.

                      [–]HOU-1836 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Nah. A bunch of pissy users just pm'ed them the spoilers. So they know. They aren't doing it for themselves. They are doing it for people like me who could check out the leaks but don't want too.

                      [–]WorldOneWon 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Same here. I'm a bit salty, the episode discussions are my favorite part of /r/asoiaf. And now I can't even enjoy those, because I've already been spoiled by apparently bitter people.

                      Shitty situation all around. If this was another show it would be hilarious. Not as funny when it happens to something you enjoy

                      [–]bobjammit 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                      Were I to watch them, it would be because I would feel like once they're out there, the chance of running into a spoiler by some troll is vastly increased.

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                        [–]mirimtiyali 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        So where is the other subreddit that allows discussion?

                        [–]SawRub 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        /r/piratesofthrones

                        [–]DornishRedViperUnpopped, Unbuttered, Unsalted 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (19子コメント)

                        I think I will be avoiding that sub from now on. It was already really circle-jerky with LSH and Benjen/Euron/Daario, and I will punch a hole in the wall if I hear "Cleganebowl" again. Come join us at /r/piratesofthrones for discussion of the leaks!

                        Edit: More evidence of some shitty moderation

                        Edit 2: words

                        [–]fdelta1Baron of the Neckbeard Oligarchy 43 ポイント44 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                        Honestly, I don't care. I've wanted you banned for a long time.

                        That's not a very professional attitude there.

                        [–]DornishRedViperUnpopped, Unbuttered, Unsalted 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                        No it isn't, and she's pretty much the most active mod (from what I've seen). If it wasn't for all the awesome things BryndenBFish does, I'd swear off visiting the subreddit forever. For now, I'm gonna make due by not posting there.

                        [–]WorldOneWon 30 ポイント31 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                        She isn't that great of a mod. I've seen her go power-crazy in other threads before

                        [–]DornishRedViperUnpopped, Unbuttered, Unsalted 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Yeah, I edited my post to reflect I didn't feel that about all the mods there, just her. It seems like she's trying too hard to control all the content, when that's not only impractical, but not her job. Forever she shall be know as The Mad Mod Jen_Snow.

                        [–]jmk4422 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                        You have no idea.

                        [–]dacalpha 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        Your invitation to /r/blackfyreasoiaf still stands!

                        [–]MikeClefton 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                        It sucks that somebody as cool as BryndenBfish is caught up in this.

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                          [–]corduroyblack 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          I was sitting on the toilet when I read that PM from her. If I hadn't been on my Porcelain Throne, I may have shit my pants. I was floored she felt that way, much less that she'd say it in a PM.

                          And then came the threat to make my ban permanent. And by that point.... I didn't care.

                          [–]Avoo 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (9子コメント)

                          Whoa, wait, what? I slightly identified with the mods in all this, though I ultimately think there's nothing inherently wrong with allowing discussion, but this is a pretty good example of bad moderation.

                          Is she the one leading the mods in all of this?

                          [–]motherflutter 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (8子コメント)

                          Pretty much yeah. She's been the most active mod since she was voted in a few years ago.

                          [–]jmk4422 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (7子コメント)

                          Where did this rumor start about her being elected or "voted in"? She wasn't! She applied for the job, she bombed her audition, but I made her a mod anyway because of reasons that were outside of my control. That's how it happened. Nobody ever elected her or voted for her unless you consider the members of the mod-team's discussion a vote (which it wasn't).

                          [–]motherflutter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

                          Its been a few years but I recall there being some sort interview process for her. I think I misremembered the mod discussion. Its been a while.

                          [–]jmk4422 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

                          Ahem... I was the person who made her a mod. She put in an application (as did dozens of others) and was selected by myself and TPOG for an audition (along with several others). Like I said, she bombed the audition: had a total melt down and actually quit. But TPOG wanted a woman on the team so I reluctantly begged her to reconsider and take the job. She did. /story

                          [–]motherflutter 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

                          Why would you melt down during an interview for a mod position?

                          [–]jmk4422 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (2子コメント)

                          Audition, not interview. Basically we created a duplicate of /r/asoiaf and made the candidates mods there. We then (the mod team at the time) made fake accounts and posted there to see how the mods would react to various scenarios (e.g. the posting of spoilers, trolling, DBAD violations, etc.).

                          It was nothing major. It was actually very tame by comparison to what real mods go through. But Jen snapped after less than 24-hours and quit. We "hired" her anyway because TPOG loved the idea of having a woman on the team.

                          You know how when a person says "I hate drama" they're usually the ones who cause the most drama? That's Jen in a nutshell. There are so, so many stories I could tell...

                          [–]SellswordsHonorA Sellsword's Honor is a Fickle Thing 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          You are one to talk JMK. Didn't you do the exact same thing in saying it was piracy when it was not

                          [–]motherflutter 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                          That's such a shame. The interactions I've had with her, few as they are, were mostly pleasant.

                          I would love to hear more stories but I understand her privacy.

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                            [–]filologo 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            Can someone ELI5 why /r/asoiaf can't even mention the leaks? I completely agree that they shouldn't condone it, or post links to where people can download stuff, but I don't understand why they can't discuss it.

                            [–]ShoelessHodor 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            The whole situation is silly. It's one thing to ban a topic but do they really delete posts letting users know where they can go to have that discussion?

                            [–]Not_A_Doctor__ 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

                            "Leak drama" could go so many ways. It is a phrase that's going to appear in a /r/sex drama post one day.

                            [–]fdelta1Baron of the Neckbeard Oligarchy 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Here's the thing. You said "squirting is pee."

                            [–]TheStankPolice 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Dank swords can't melt steel Targaryens

                            [–]Peritract 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (14子コメント)

                            Does the sub belong to its users or to the moderators?

                            The moderators. That's how it works.

                            [–]pyth1100[flair hidden] 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (13子コメント)

                            Subreddits are technically community resources and belong to everyone, but many moderators like to think their subs are their property.

                            [–]AsAChemicalEngineer 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                            Considering that it in no way breaks reddit's rules to shutdown a subreddit, it really is owned by the mods. /r/IAMA was brought down until /u/karmanaut convinced the head mod to transfer the sub over. The only reason /r/wow isn't still down is because the head mod broke reddit rules behind the scenes, the "shutting down a major community" part wasn't in the equation.

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                              [–]WorldOneWon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

                              Man I can't wait until the last leaked episode finally airs, and everything goes back to normal.

                              Sucks that users are acting like complete assholes to the mods about this, and the mods are also being assholes. Apparently some are messaging users and spoiling episodes for them.

                              [–]wilstI can't believe it's not butts 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              It doesn't sound like they're going to reverse the bans, though.

                              [–]WhereIsTheHackButtonwas bot, am now boy 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              Given their statements so far

                              At this point we have no idea where you're getting your information from so we have to.

                              The mods will ban people because they have no way of knowing if you watched the show on TV or the leaks.

                              [–]SawRub 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              People are actually being banned even for linking to alternate subreddits where people can discuss them.

                              [–]SawRub 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

                              http://i.imgur.com/n1RuJkE.png

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