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    Men know nothing at all about being sex objects

    Barbara Ellen
    Barbara Ellen
    It’s time for men to speak up about things that genuinely affect them instead of putting a spurious man-spin on typically female experiences
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    Ross Poldark, as played by Aidan Turner Photograph: Mike Hogan/BBC/Mammoth Screen/Mike Hogan
    Some of you may be aware that Games of Thrones actor Kit Harington complained about his sexual objectification, saying: “It can sometimes feel like your art is being put to one side for your sex appeal and I don’t like that” and: “To always be put on a pedestal as a hunk is slightly demeaning. It really is and it’s in the same way as it is for women.”
    Following the furore, Harington now says that he’ll be a “good little hunk and keep his mouth shut”. That would be Harington’s pretty little mouth spouting adorable nonsense from his fluffy little head? In fairness to Harington, he raised an interesting point: could it be seriously argued that male sexual objectification is in any way equivalent to the female variety? Because, from where I’m sitting, the concept is at once offensive and hilarious.
    Harington has an uncommon perspective as an actor, but that’s the point. Generally, male sexual objectification is not equivalent to the female version– it’s not even close. This is not to claim that women don’t find men sexy. You have only to recall the infamous Diet Coke adverts where salacious female office workers objectified poor innocent topless construction workers. That’s what we’re all like on the quiet.
    However, male sexual objectification is relatively rare – generally reserved for well-known males, fictional or otherwise (bare-chested totty “Ross Poldark”, brooding cutie “Jon Snow”, wet-shirted stud-muffin “Fitzwilliam Darcy”), and next to nothing to do with societal power structures.
    By contrast, female sexual objectification is an ongoing socioeconomic-cum-psychosexual epidemic, affecting the vast majority of women at some stages of their lives. Even when they are no longer objectified (losing looks or fertility; ageing), it’s used against them in a routine way. Without meaning to be crude, from a female perspective, you’re screwed when you’re being sexually objectified, then you’re screwed when you’re not. This is the truth of female objectification – it’s less about personal sexiness and more about impersonal power structures.
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    How could a man begin to appropriate this gigantic, complicated, socio-historically entrenched mess as his own valid experience? It appears to be yet another low in the ever-continuing trend for specious gender-reversal – whereupon an issue in the realm of female experience is seized on and reversed, with a few arbitrary examples, to prove that men are suffering the same thing in the same way. A tiresome phenomenon you’d be forgiven for hoping would quietly die out, but it shows no signs of so doing. Thus, even something as quintessentially female as sexual objectification is given a clumsy man-spin, turned into “male sexual objectification”, and hey presto, everyone’s in the same boat. Except they’re not.
    Which is not to say that men aren’t objectified in other ways. For instance, financial or attainment objectification – throughout their lives, success, more specifically the lack of it, is the stick with which males are often beaten. However, sexually objectified on a mass scale? I’m sure that Harington is receiving similar attention to GOT actresses Emilia Clarke and Natalie Dormer, just as Justin Bieber doubtless can’t walk onstage without getting 50 pairs of knickers thrown in his face, but, as celebrated high-profile young men, their experiences are close to irrelevant. Let’s get away from jokily presuming that there might be quite a few men who would happily sign up to be similarly objectified – even if it happened, they’d be unlikely to experience the full, deep-rooted, multifaceted impact.
    Where sexual objectification is concerned, fame is a game-changer for men, while merely amplifying normality for women. To suggest otherwise seems misguided at least. Maybe it’s time for men to speak up about things that genuinely affect them instead of putting a spurious man-spin on typically female experiences.

    It’s a song, Don: don’t try to explain it

    A curator handles the original handwritten lyrics to the song American Pie by Don McLean, which are to be auctioned at Christie's in New York.
    A curator handles the original handwritten lyrics to the song American Pie by Don McLean, which are to be auctioned at Christie’s in New York. Photograph: JUSTIN LANE/EPA
    When Don McLean’s manuscript for American Pie was auctioned at Christie’s (selling for more than $1m), the catalogue provided McLean’s clues about the “meaning” of the song. “Morality song, blah”. “Indelible photograph of America, yak”. Someone should have taken McLean to one side and said: “Don, mate, no one cares anymore, if they ever did, about what you were piping on about in your horrible over-rated hippy dirge. Chevy, levée, whatever! You just got paid loads of dosh for basically typing your song out – quit while you’re ahead.”
    It’s not entirely the fault of musicians. When I was a music journalist, it was part of the job to hector all musicians, regardless of talent or stature, about what their songs were “about”. To which some would infuriatingly reply that they preferred this to be left to the listener’s own interpretation. I’d sit there seething, wanting to chuck my tape recorder at their heads, but in retrospect they were mostly right.
    Occasionally there might be an artist or a band truly worthy of deeper investigation into their psyche, but this is rare. Most of the time, it adds little to the appreciation of material, especially if, as with American Pie, people are getting the lyrics wrong all the time anyway.
    In this era of the live experience trumping recordings, it’s arguable that the intense, pure, exclusive relationship the listener has with music is to be cherished at all costs, regardless of whether their interpretation is correct. Songs are not aural documentaries – they don’t need to make sense. Sometimes the atmosphere they produce and feelings they inspire are more important. No one blames McLean for selling the American Pie manuscript if someone was willing to pay, but his explanations remain surplus to requirements.

    Consenting adults in love affair shock

    Love interest: Stephanie Flanders, the BBC's former economics correspondent.
    Love interest: Stephanie Flanders, the BBC’s former economics correspondent. Photograph: Fiona Hanson/PA
    What isn’t there to love about the Ed Miliband “secret girlfriend at dinner party” story? It was his wife, Justine Thornton, who inadvertently dobbed him in, saying that, when they met at said party, long ago, she didn’t realise that he was already involved with the hostess (reported to be former political broadcaster Stephanie Flanders).
    There’s doubtless a perfectly reasonable explanation for this mix-up. Unfortunately. Miliband and Flanders were probably attempting to be private about their relationship, as adults often are. They may even have decided that, even though she was his (whisper) “secret girlfriend”, they were both allowed to continue conversing with members of the opposite sex in social settings should the need or opportunity arise, for instance at a dinner party she was hosting. Depraved I know, but no more than could be expected from the oft-cited “sinister north London elite”.
    Now Flanders has been portrayed as a wanton hussy, brazenly embarking on two relationships with gentleman callers named “Ed”. How on earth did she think she was going to get away with it? Flanders urgently needs to explain herself, preferably while being violently ducked in the local pond.
    Meanwhile, Miliband has been depicted as a womanising cad, who spends his days wandering around the corridors of power with his tongue hanging out, making “phwoar!” noises at any bit of Westminster skirt he can see. Scandalous behaviour, unbecoming in a party leader, and it makes no difference that it isn’t true.
    What does all this say about Ed Miliband? Very little, you say, in fact nothing at all. Well, be like that then. In the interests of parity, I must demand that other leaders have their own ordinary, unremarkable, uncontroversial, past relationship non-dramas reported in this gutsy and necessary manner.

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    • 0 1
      I used to count myself among the progressive left but since they've started open season on men and especially white men, I've left. I'll still keep my values but to be associated with such foolish and hateful people won't do. A sure fire way to lose any sort of credibility is to deny the experience of others in your opening.
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      I think people should have their own 'valid experience' whatever it is and whoever they are.
      I was in a seminar at university and one tutor mentioned that I would not be getting the feeling behind Sylvia Plath's The Bell Jar under discussion because I was not the same gender.
      Recognising that reading is different between genders and individuals in all kinds of ways, and in what people like, such as who identifies with what kind of character and so on, I felt upset then and know now why.
      I could identify with this claustrophobic sense of isolation perhaps better than that Oxbridge style attitude allowed me because I was experiencing it.
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      I may not know about being a sex object, but I know every article I've read by this person seems to be garbage.
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      What this article doesn't say is that women themselves are by far the worst at sexually objectifying women. Everywhere you look in modern women's culture, on television and vast racks of women's magazines at every newsagent, the topics are all about looking hot, looking sexy, having a killer body, women posing naked at 50 to show how hot they still look, celebrities flaunting their bikini bodies or appearing semi-naked on the red carpet, even lining up to strut their stuff in men's magazines as a status symbol. Our culture is saturated with women's sexuality and it is women themselves who are driving their own obsession with attention, on the pretext that women's power is in their beauty and sexuality. Behind it also is a $700billion global beauty and fashion economy with powerful marketing that needs to be fuelled by keeping women's attention and insecurities on their looks - including new generations of impressionable young women. Somewhat trite to then play victim and blame men for playing the objectification game. A few decades back when men's magazines and culture such as Playboy focussed on women as sex objects for male gratification, that argument may have washed. That male culture has largely been shouted down by feminism and it is women who have now picked it up on their own terms and developed it into the mass beauty and women's sexuality industry. Do we really think the widespread trend of breast augmentation surgery is all about women not wanting their breasts to be noticed? What is not mentioned here either is the aspect of beauty competitiveness among women. In celebrity culture at least, many women's motives are based in competing with other women in the beauty and attention stakes and vying for media space. The objectification of women will never end as long as women themselves are getting so much mileage out of it and driving the trend. Simply blaming men is a churlish and higher-moral-ground attempt at denying equal accountability and responsibility.
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        It is largely women's media and culture that have made women like Kim Kardashian, Madonna and Miley Cyrus global "sensations", based heavily on objectifying their sexuality. Hard to find a female singer who doesn't use her body as part of her impact. I think what is missing in this discussion is that there are many people (both female and male) who enjoy being objectified and actively seek it out - and then there are also many people who do not enjoy being objectified. Maybe some intelligent, mature discernment might go a long way towards identifying the difference, rather than stereotyping a whole gender based on those who do respond to deliberate exhibitionism. The author may be surprised to learn also there are many men who are way over women's sexuality and beauty being thrust in their faces every time they open a magazine, newspaper, or turn on the television. For many what is attractive is intelligence, emotional maturity, sensuality and ability to communicate, rather than relying on looks alone to seduce or "wow" someone. Elegance is a lost art.
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    • 1 2
      "Men know nothing at all about being sex objects"
      Yes we do.
      Try being a straight man at a gay party.
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    • 3 4
      Men are objectified for their money and earning power. As Mark Twain said, a woman's wealth is her looks, while a man's looks is his wealth.
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    • 0 1
      Being sexually objectified is not just being admired or complimented about your body, which can be pleasant.
      It is being regarded as nothing BUT your body, or, in many cases, a part of your body: a hole, a pair of tits, a behind.
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    • 1 2
      Men don't worry about getting raped if they go on holiday or walk home alone in the dark. They may get raped but it is not something they tend to think about until it happens. I am a man, I have staggered blissfully around the world drunk at 3.00am and though I was mindful of being robbed, I have never been sexually threatened or stalked, not does it loom in my mind when they call last orders. Women have to bear this fearful burden in mind every time they go out at night, or get into an elevator or a train carriage with a stranger.
      But I have seen women sexually threatened, not only in dark streets in India, but in the middle of crowded pubs and clubs, on sunlit beaches, in the middle of busy streets, at work, in parks,.
      Men do not understand that this kind of mild to severe molestation is a fact of life for most women.
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      • 0 1
        But that's not what the article is about. The author is saying in so many words that men cannot understand what it is to be a sex object. The context in which she says it is far, far removed from violence against women, which is what you are rightly talking about as terrible.
        Believe it or not the vast majority of men have mothers, sisters, wives and daughters and care about their safety.
        Barbara Ellen is addressing sexual attractiveness as if it were a totally feminine experience. Its absence is something that hurts both men and women.
        Women can be as cruel and dismissive and fawning and adoring as men both to men and to each other based solely on appearance.
        The article is shallow and self-seeking. What you are addressing is not.
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      Not sure I know a single man that would mind being a sex object.
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      No human being should be reduced to an object, end of. And we shouldn't ridicule men for talking about their own experiences of being objectified...it can spread understanding of the challenges women face and I don't think that is a bad thing.
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      Men do speak up about the ways in which we're objectified. Nobody cares.
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      • 0 1
        Men feel sorry for themselves, it seems to me, for the wrong reasons. Being turned into objects the way women are can't be one of them. Nobody's setting them on fire for disobedience, or shooting them for wanting a divorce, or paying them 2/3 what women get as a matter of course, or beating them up when they say 'no.' That I know of.
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      Why didn't she stop with just saying, "Men know nothing." Every time I watch TV, I see some woman, girl or child advising or correcting some father or middle age man about car insurance, investment brokerage firms, sports, child raising, you name it. Commercials and programming.
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      And yes, men have been objectified for as long as women have. As ATMs, as sexual objects, dehumanized and stripped of plenty of their qualities and characteristics only to be left with few. You can see it videogames, culture and advertisements: men are unable to have feelings, men are stoic, always, men are worth by how much money they make.
      To say that sexism against men is "less worse" than women's, is disgusting.
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      Objectification of either gender is just as wrong. If you oppose this concept, then you're sexist.
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    • 2 3
      Being objectifier or object of both personal and "impersonal power structures" will be a never ending theme in our lives and differentially help and affect us depending on our genitals (and their history). Power games are infuriating, both if nobody wants to play with you and if you are losing. Aging music journalists must feel that strongly. Sorry about that, rise above, you're an adult.
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      This article is very unclear about the meaning of the terms it employs, and does not provide a coherent explanation of the phenomenon under discussion or its causes.
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      I think the author is behind the times. I was once taken to a woman's dance class to be displayed as a sexual trophy. "Where did you find THAT!" one woman dancer said.
      I enjoyed the sex but didn't enjoy the objectification. From what I see online, women today display frequent braggadocio about their men - whereas men like me are trying to be polite.
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      "That would be Harington’s pretty little mouth spouting adorable nonsense from his fluffy little head? "
      ...and here's where you lost everyone. Congrats!
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      Some people ,who are ugly and foul, can never be objectified or be considered a sex object, whether woman or man.
      How do you think they feel reading such articles?
      Those of us who don't look like the mad woman's breakfast really should check our privileges.
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        There's no such thing as "can never be objectified".
        There are "ugly women" who are treated even MORE like objects because the person doing the objectifying thinks they can get away with more because their victim is "desperate".
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        Well the person objectifying would also likely be desperate too.
        But this is not what I am talking about.
        Ugly people don't have the choices, and they certainly don't have the privilege of complaining about being objectified.
        Maybe a lot of them would enjoy it.
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      I have been an object of sex for women, but I did not realize it at the time. I was wallowing in low self esteem and other issues. There were more than a few, who, now that I look back 20-30-40 years, took advantage of me, used me for sex, and when I expressed feelings for them dumped me, which messed me up even more.
      But, because I am man, I was supposed to tick off the mark in my belt and be happy. I wasn't. I am sure there are many more men with my story. Stop being so poutey Babs.
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      G'day Barbara
      I've got to ask, are you a natural red head?
      And why did you chose a semi profile shot with what looks like wearing red lipstick?
      Any chance of seeing a picture of yourself when you first get out of bed in the morning (without makeup and a sculptured hair style)?
      All questions are purely in the interest of seeing whether your pic portrays you without adornments or whether you also like to show your self in your best light.
      Mick
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    • 5 6
      Woman make themselves sex objects by dressing as sexy as legally possible, showing as much of their body as they can.MEN are men and woman think it's cute fun to show it all and walk around like sexy hotties but they complain that men look at them as sex objects.hello!
      It's natural attraction, get over it.
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        You know what is a surefire sign of sexism? When someone believes an ENTIRE GENDER acts the same way.
        By the way, it's completely possible to be sexually attracted to someone while still treating them as a human being instead of an object placed there for your pleasure. I know that distinction might be difficult to understand for you, but try.
        Once, I was wearing a Victorian-era inspired outfit, meaning I was covered from neck to toe. I also had a hat on, and my head was down because I was trying to fix my hat pin. Despite all that, I was still wolf-whistled at while crossing the street! So that's absolutely BS that women "make themselves sex objects" by showing off as much of their body as they can. We get treated as sex objects NO MATTER WHAT WE WEAR. And even though both men and women find others sexually attractive, when was the last time you heard someone claim that a guy wanted to be a sex object if he was wearing shorter shorts or no t-shirt, or if he took the time to make himself look more attractive? It's a complete double-standard.
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        Seems that you don't go to clubs or hang out with young people, the women are all barbie dolls and the guys are scrubbed, preened and puffed to within an inch of their lives.
        They don't get themselves tarted up to the nines and not expect to be objectified, the whole purpose of the evening is to be just that.
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      I think you're being a bit unfair to men here... just because men don't experience as much sexual objectification as women, it doesn't mean we should dismiss their experience when it happens. It can't be nice for anyone to feel that they are only worth what they look like, and surely as women we should be understanding when it happens to men, having generally had this unpleasant experience ourselves? Perhaps if we stopped telling men that their concerns are nothing compared to ours, we might actually get somewhere...? If a guy raises an issue such as this, and he just gets shouted down because we have it worse, then why would he bother defending us when we raise the same issue? Sexual objectification is an issue for anyone who experiences it, and unfortunately it seems to be on the increase for men (and not exactly going away for women either)... instead of belittling a man's experience we should empathise, because it is something we can only begin to work on together.
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        Totally agree !! Although I don´t think that is what she is implying here ... she is not devalorizing men´s suffering from gender stereotypes, and not denying that male objectification does not exist.. just saying it is not the same. Like being weak pyhsically, short and thin would not affect a women like it would a man - its about to what extent you fulfill being a gender stereotype, and what is required from men and women in society is separate, so because sexualisation is more connected to a sense of womanhood than manhood it will affect them worse because it is linked into an oppresive system.
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        I can imagine it's not nice, but I think that the author is worried about objectification of women getting "watered down" by having the conversation shift like that. In other words, the conversation is not "how do we solve this rampant systemic objectification?" but rather becomes "hey, men do it, women do it, it's all good, right?"... which is already happening right here in this comment section.
        Not to say that it shouldn't be addressed. It absolutely should, and we women need to do a better job speaking out (example: When a female co-worker hung a "sexy firefighters" calendar at her desk, I asked her how she would feel if a male co-worker had put up a calendar full of scantily-clad women).
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      As an undesirable male, I understand that women of all creeds would probably prefer to not interact with me in any way whatsoever. Therefore, I try to follow these three simple rules in order to help people feel more comfortable when I'm in public...
      a) Never make eye contact with anyone (male or female - women might think you're trying to score and men might think you're gay)
      - In general never look at anyone
      - When in public, look towards a neutral place (i.e. an advert or something) where no one else is
      - If you can't do this (i.e. crowded train), look up or shut your eyes. Mobile phones are also good at helping to "block out" your view of other people.
      b) Only speak to someone else if they speak to you first
      - I usually only ever get spoken to in public if someone wants to sell me something or needs to borrow a lighter, so this is easy for me.
      - If you fancy a conversation with a stranger, I find the homeless are usually friendlier than most people (They also generally don't tend to be caught up with this sort of crap)
      - Saying "thank you" if someone opens a door or something for you is an exception to this rule
      c) If you get on a train and there is a spare seat, do not sit on it if it means sitting next to someone else.
      - Stand and wait until the whole seat is free.
      - Usually, the best thing to do is stand near the bit between carriages
      - If it is too crowded, get off and wait for the next train to avoid standing close to someone who might find your presence uncomfortable
      If all men did this (except attractive ones), this would make women feel more comfortable.
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        What makes you so sure you are undesireable?
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        Mainly it's down to a lack of girlfriends. I always got strung along when I was younger and now I usually become some sort of brother figure.
        I have been on the receiving end of some pretty vicious looks that could kill, just for the crime of smiling at someone.
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        If people don't feel comfortable with you when you're just behaving like a normal human being then that isn't your issue... it's theirs. You have no obligation to be attractive to them. I'm sorry that you've had the misfortune to come across such shallow individuals that would make you feel uncomfortable just for sitting next to them on a train, and unfortunately there are idiots of both genders, but not everyone is like this. Surely you can't think all women are like this?
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