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[–][deleted] 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 3 時間 前* (28子コメント)
That's why I don't use clips. The last three times my bike went down, I jumped off and landed on my feet. I do a lot of riding in traffic. A bit of extra efficiency ain't worth it.
edit: Yes, downvote me. That'll make my experience wrong!
[–]KingSurly 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 3 時間 前 (23子コメント)
I won't down vote you, but I will suggest you try different pedals.
[+][deleted] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント 3 時間 前 (22子コメント)
Show me the peer-reviewed university-published studies and I might start to believe you.
The only numerical indicator I've ever found through public searches said 5%. I haven't tracked down university studies yet.
I don't race. I commute and recreate.
[–]Globo_GymFuji Gran Fondo / Schwinn track 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 3 時間 前 (14子コメント)
Just practice track stands, you'll never have to unclip again.
[+][deleted] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 3 時間 前* (13子コメント)
So track stands help me how when I have to leap off of my bike because a dog, child, or hobo runs out in front of me?
[–]AndrewZornFelt AR5 & F65x, Leader Fixay, BD Fat Bike, Mini Velo, etc etc 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前 (12子コメント)
I was kinda understanding you on the whole commuting/recreation thing, but this is dumb. I've never felt like I needed to jump off my bike because of an obstacle.
And the 'clip' or 'clipless' or whatever pedals cannot be appreciated in terms of percent efficiency gain. You get to use different muscles. It's way easier to pedal in circles. It just feels way more 'tight'. It's like the difference between running in slippers and snug-fitting sneakers.
[+][deleted] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-15 ポイント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント 3 時間 前 (11子コメント)
Lucky you.
Nobody has ever proven to me that any kind of clip/clipless system is worthwhile.
Nobody has ever even come close to explaining how clipless systems are worthwhile when they cost an order of magnitude more than regular pedals.
I think it's a scam.
[–]discodancingdingos1992 Trek 1000, Trek Alpha 1.1 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Here is where I get off the boat and say trollers gonna trool.
[–]Dillmeister89 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Dude, you're not going to convince us that we are all dumb for getting clipless pedals. We get that you don't feel like spending money on extra equipment. Give it a rest.
[–]nquesada92 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前 (4子コメント)
standard shimano spd pedals are like $20 compared to $20 for rei brand novara platforms
[+][deleted] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 3 時間 前 (3子コメント)
You found a %50 off sale and they're still more expensive than heavy and expensive BMX platforms from the expensive store!
How much are the necessary shoes to go with that? I can't wear chucks on those, champ.
[–]AndrewZornFelt AR5 & F65x, Leader Fixay, BD Fat Bike, Mini Velo, etc etc 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Your chucks weren't free.
To continue the sarcastic mockery of these views, "I need a special bike pump just for presta valves? Junk! Scam!"
[–]AndrewZornFelt AR5 & F65x, Leader Fixay, BD Fat Bike, Mini Velo, etc etc 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前* (3子コメント)
LOL
Proof, like, you need some scientific study? Imagine that with every push down, you could also be pulling up with the other foot. That's what clipless allows. The 'proof' is in the concept itself. At best you can get a little bit of forward/back motion from flat pedals, but with clipless, you can stomp/slide/pull through the full circular motion of the pedal.
And better, more complicated, less common things costing more? Crazy! Carbon bikes cost an order of magnitude more than cheap frames sold at Walmart, and I can't see the difference, must be a scam!
EDIT also, I have plenty of scrapes from my feet slipping OFF of flat pedals, probably more than I do from clipless pedals. So it isn't as clear as you are making it sound.
To say it again, I do have bikes still with flat pedals. For commuting and leisurely riding, they are more convenient. But they are severely lacking in performance, that's very clear when you have both.
[–]fargosucks 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Seriously. I was understanding at first when he said he just didn't like clipless. Fine, different strokes for different folks. But this thread has gotten silly quick.
[+][deleted] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I've used toe straps. I didn't notice significant improvement in my average speeds that I was measuring with a GPS.
[–]topscoobLitespeed Catalyst 7401 dura ace 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's because you actually have to get on a real bike... We aren't talking about this bicycle http://www.yourgdhealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/bicycle-crunches-henry-cavill-workout-08112011.jpg
[–]KingSurly 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (6子コメント)
I just mean about the problems with not being able to get out. I don't care much about the efficiency either, but I do think the consistent foot position and not sliding off when it's wet is important.
[–][deleted] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I wear soft soled shoes so I don't have problem with slipping and sliding because the cleats on my pedals grip my shoes and consistent foot position is just practice.
[+][deleted] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント 3 時間 前 (4子コメント)
So then why does everyone everywhere always talk about how they bite it and get injured because of their toe clips and or "clipless pedaling systems"?
I don't ride in some cleared, safe, sanitized, theme-parkified environment.
[–]fargosucks 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Neither do the rest of us. I've commuted in a busy city for going on 11 years now, eight of which I've ridden clipless. I have had people jump out in front of me, cars slam on their brakes, cut me off, whatever and never fallen off my bike because I was clipped in.
If you don't like riding clipless, fine, but don't build up straw men to try to make your point. "everyone everywhere" talks about biting it on clipless? No, no they do not. C'mon.
[+][deleted] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 2 時間 前 (2子コメント)
You're talking about Portland? *snerk* Portland is a fucking cyclist's paradise, dude. It is the theme park I'm talking about.
[–]fargosucks 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Fine. Troll's gonna troll, I guess.
[–][deleted] -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 2 時間 前* (0子コメント)
I rode there for two years while I finished college. I know what I'm talking about. 10% ridership. Come commute in Dallas, TX for a while and see how you like it. You could ride all day and never see another adult on a bike.
You don't even fucking know what it's like.
edit: That's what I fucking thought.
[–]3vangelical2009 Jamis Ventura Comp 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Clipless systems are tangentially related to increases in efficiency (and in a sport of marginal gains, even small increases are worthwhile). To wit, G. Mornieux, B. Stapelfeldt, A. Gollhofer, and A. Belli found in 2008 that shoe-pedal interface systems were essentially identical in terms of efficiency at all submaximal efforts; clipless systems were more efficient at maximal efforts.
Clipless pedals are more intimately related to improving bike handling by anchoring foot location on the pedal during stroke. It operates on the same principle as suspension--being in contact with the surface improves control. This is something that is difficult to measure in a lab but which is noticeable for experienced riders ("feedback" is the usual catch-all for this measure).
I'm downvoting you because you present yourself as being unreasonable despite a wealth of other redditors explaining that experienced riders (myself included) have no trouble disengaging a clipless system in an emergency.
[–]SergeyDorofeev 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Keyword is "experienced". For newbies clipless increases risk. So it is better used on trails or drome but not in city or on automobile road (at least first few month before skill becomes automatic).
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[–]Stylishstyloid 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's why I love my BMX pedals. Switched them around with my platforms and my clipless on the same bikes, and the BMX were just as efficient as the clipless.
Now all my bikes have BMX pedals, I can "tune" the spikes as I wish, wear whatever shoes or sandals I have on hand, and I'm happy happy happy.
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