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The Hugo Awards Were Always Political. But Now They're Only Political. (io9.com)

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[–]ClockOfTheLongNow 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (12子コメント)

According to Correia, they let people know they'll be on a slate and let them opt out. It might explain why other books don't make the cut.

As for Butcher, this "issue" from a few years ago put him in the good/bad graces of many.

[–]rocketvat 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (11子コメント)

I'm sorry, are we supposed to be sympathizing with "Lucy" in that post? Because she comes off like a parody of tumblerinas and despite constant insistence that Jim butcher respond to substance over tone, never even mentions the substance. I read the whole damn thing and I still don't have a clue what butcher supposedly did that was so terrible.

[–]ClockOfTheLongNow 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Welcome to the core of the split between the social justice contingent of sff fandom and the "sad puppies."

[–]rocketvat 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (9子コメント)

It's really obnoxious to me that these are the camps everyone is coalescing around. I'm generally very sympathetic to the argument that the scifi/gamer community is casually misogynistic/bigoted etc because they are (obnoxiously, to anyone who doesn't fit the profile) largely made up of young, stupid, middle class suburban boys who don't know anything about the world. On the other hand, this tumblr shit is beyond stupid and they almost never get around to making coherent arguments about what or how anything should be changed.

I mostly sit back in awe of how two utterly stupid camps of people are taking up all the breathing room for conversation on topics that I've loved my entire life. It's like watching your racist drunk uncle debate your alcoholic aunt who never grew out of the 70s.

And now we are left with a broken award that's no longer based on anything but twitter followers, and I'm fucking heartbroken about it with absolutely zero recourse.

[–]thistledownhair 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Is there any evidence at all that a shadowy tumblr contingent has been rigging the hugos? It smells like an excuse to disregard valid social justice concerns.

[–]rocketvat 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I obviously barely pay attention to this stuff, so I'm probably not the person to ask.

[–]thistledownhair 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm with you on being upset about the hugos being pulled apart, but I think it has more to do with women/poc getting recognition they've been denied for too long, and conservatives being upset about this. I have no idea how a tumblr conspiracy would even work.

[–]ClockOfTheLongNow 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Not actively, but passively yes. You'll see a lot in the post-Hugos discussion about how much "progress" has been made in the Hugos, bemoaning the "white males" on the list, praising authors and award winners that didn't really deserve it because they fit into a particular mode of thinking.

There's addressing "social justice concerns" and there's being kind of obnoxious about it to the point of letting the politics drive the car at the expense of a good story. That's really the root of the concern.

[–]thistledownhair 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Which winners are you talking about? And what's wrong with progress?

[–]ClockOfTheLongNow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nothing's wrong with progress. No one is against progress, just against how some define it.

As for winners that look pretty bizarre, people tend to look at Redshirts, "If You Were a Dinosaur, My Love," "We Have Always Fought," and the repeated nominations (and occasional victories) of the Mad Norwegian science fiction guides as some of the most egregious examples.

[–]thistledownhair 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'll give you Redshirts, it didn't deserve the win.

Swirsky lost to Chu's The Water That Falls on You from Nowhere, but both were excellent stories, as was Samatar's Selkie Stories are for Losers. And that wasn't an instance of ~political~ nominations narrowly pushing out stories that were somehow more deserving, they didn't even reach a full ballot in the category.

Hurley's essay was well written and unfortunately still necessary, though I haven't read what it was up against there, I don't pay a lot of attention to the category. Which is also why I'm not sure what you're talking about with your last one.

[–]strangedelightful 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I believe that Redshirts won because Hugo voters love Star Trek.

[–]ClockOfTheLongNow 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I believe that Redshirts won almost entirely because of Scalzi, to be blunt.