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My LGS Token Debacle (self.magicTCG)

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[–]DontCheckMyKD -15 ポイント-14 ポイント  (22子コメント)

I don't play to make other people comfortable. I play to have fun and enjoy myself. If that means i want to play a life-stall deck that's my business and someone will be upset about it, if that means i want half naked anime chicks on my tokens that's my business and someone will be upset about it.

EDIT: I feel this needs to be said in every comment on this post. YOU CANNOT FORCE YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS ON SOMEONE ELSE.

[–]mossarian 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Just because you have the ability to use these tokens doesn't mean you should. Nobody is forcing you not too, but some players want Magic to grow and be more inclusive, so would naturally discourage things that a lot of people consider inappropriate. You want to continue using half naked anime tokens, go for it. Just don't be surprised if you find yourself in the minority.

[–]meteorcowatwork 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (4子コメント)

This idea comes up a lot and I think it's a weak argument.

I can't force you to think that naked women on your magic cards is inappropriate, that much is true. By current societal norms though, they ARE inappropriate. When you are at home with your friends, please use all the naked-girl proxies that you want. You can also watch porn and listen to profanity-filled music while playing Magic. When you are at a game store or public tournament, you cannot do these things.

[–]tkm3d1a 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

You are forcing your own opinions by forcing people to play against what they may consider offensive. Whether it's right or wrong or indifferent, don't try and pretend your on the high road. Have compassion and respect for other people and don't be a douche bag

[–]DontCheckMyKD -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not even remotely comparable. I'm not forcing opinions on anyone, I'm saying you're entitled to your opinions as much as someone else is entitled to own racy tokens. Nobody is going to tell you to be okay with the tokens, just like nobody wants YOUR opinion on their tokens.

[–]tkm3d1a 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

By using your tokens and saying "idgaf what you think, deal with it" you are forcing somebody to deal with your tokens, plain and simple. AKA you are being a douchnozzle

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[–]liucoke 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Playing in a sanctioned event means that you're accepting that you need to might need to accept other folks' personal views, at least as far as inclusiveness is concerned. If you believe that you can show up, spout some racist or homophobic bigotry, and then hide behind "your personal beliefs," you're not going to be in that event for long.

Choosing to live in a society means having to accept that other people have the right to feel safe and comfortable, regardless of some individuals' personal beliefs.

[–]DontCheckMyKD -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

You're comparing bigotry and homophobia with artwork on tokens. This is the argument to end all arguments.

I think the icing on the cake is apparently you're a judge. You have some arbitrary certification that says you know more about something than someone else and you spout an ignorant load like that. This is truly remarkable.

[–]liucoke -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

First, homophobia IS bigotry (except in Indiana, apparently).

Second, your "don't force your personal views on me!!!" argument is not a far stretch from the arguments I hear from players who make these remarks and complain when they're penalized. Do you want to live in a society with other people or not?

[–]mtg_liebestod 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Do you want to live in a society with other people or not?

Living in a society with other people, conversely, means that you don't get to shut everyone down by claiming something makes you uncomfortable or offended.

Living in a society with other people means that you have to respect that people are entitled to their own personal spheres of self-expression, and perhaps those spheres should extend to choices over things like sleeves and playmats that you find somewhat distasteful.

[–]DontCheckMyKD -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You know what I have to comment, I have liked every single comment you've posted. It's difficult to try and make close-minded people see they're close-minded and you've done it so eloquently in this post lol.

I didn't think I'd be defending racy anime tokens when I woke up this morning, but all the hatred made me realize someone had to say something, and ideaf about my comment karma lol

[–]mtg_liebestod 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's difficult to try and make close-minded people see they're close-minded

Yeah, this is something that irks me in these arguments - when people are being closed-minded under the guise of actually being open-minded. They'll say that people who use sexy sleeves or tokens or whatever don't appreciate how their actions negatively affect others, while ignoring the intrinsic value of allowing people to use the sleeves or tokens that they want to use. They'll say that we need to be an open and welcoming community.. and in order to do that we need to get rid of anyone who doesn't ascribe to a narrow set of progressive cultural shibboleths. It's grating.

[–]DontCheckMyKD -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm not exactly sure what your "first blah blah blah" you're trying to correct me when I was referencing your comment. Homophobia is a very narrow form of bigotry, however bigotry isn't always homophobia... So I don't know why you were compelled to try to correct me?

I also like how you bring up "do you want to live in a society with other people or not" Not if I have to bend to the will of people cherry picking what I can do based on their personal comfort level rather than the general welfare of all involved?

You are really good at reading between the lines and commenting something completely irrelevant.. You're a complete waste time I don't think I'll bother replying to whatever dribble you post in response to this :)