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Offline Pygmalion

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In defense of the Fabian (Wolf in sheep's clothing) Society?
« on: December 08, 2009, 01:59:48 am »
Hello, I'm currently new to the forum and while researching the case put forward here I've come across a few errors that I would like to point out and perhaps have clarified.

1). In Alex Jones' Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement, Alex mentions in passing the Fabian bloc in reference to the allied powers in world war II. This error is subtle, and like most of the ones I have discovered isn't so much a complete fabrication but just an ignorant statement stemming from a lack of understanding. First I need to define socialism: socialism is a system in which capital is allocated towards where it can do the most social good, as opposed to where it can provide the highest return on invested capital (profit) in a capitalist system. Many different cultures and political interests have been socialist. Where many disagree, is how best to implement a functioning socialist system. Marxism, in broad terms, advocated the implementation of this system through violent overthrow of the existing property owning class. The first country to attempt to do this on a large scale was Russia in the beginning of the 20th century. Fabian socialism is an idea first put forward to the public through a group known as the Fabian Society. This group was made up of influential intellectuals in the United Kingdom. While their goal was equivalent to that of Marxism's, they disagreed that violent overthrow of the existing institutional power was the most appropriate way to achieve this goal. They advocated attaining their ends through the process of incremental change. Their argument being that no single maneuver would be enough to provoke any serious resistance. They were (and still are) a very influential group, and many of their ideas have been enacted both in the United Kingdom and the United States. Public healthcare, income taxation, public schooling, degradation of the institution of marriage, and lessening the power of the family are all ideas they deserve credit for. After reading this, you can see that while what Alex Jones says in the movie isn't necessarily wrong completely wrong, but it is a childish oversimplification that shows complete ignorance of the very things he claims to be "expanding your consciousness" about.

2). In Fall of The Republic: Part I, one of the "experts" testifying about the NWO throws around the term Hegelian Dialectic. Now this is I think the most egregious error made in the entire series of movies this site has put out.  It's wrong for the very same reasons the comments on Fabianism are: it betrays the person speaking has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. This one is a real shame, because he is so close to a very important point but misses it. Hegel and his ideas, especially his method of attaining truth, have been incredibly influential. Especially among the people you guys claim are out to get you. I won't even attempt to explain this here, but for anyone interested the book Hegel: The Essential Writings edited by Frederick G. Weiss is a very nice introduction to his ideas. It includes prefaces and annotations to help explain some especially difficult parts.

3). In Fall of The Republic: Part I, the following quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln: "I have the Confederacy before me and the bankers behind me, and for America I fear the bankers most." In this case, I'm not exactly sure this is an error. When I heard the quote, I thought it was so damning that I decided to do some research into the context. I have been unable to find a single reliable source that cites where this quote came from and when it was spoken. If anyone here can help me with that, I would really appreciate it.

These three are the errors I discovered during my first viewing of these two movies, I will continue to point out anymore I find. To conclude this post, I would like to make a few points. The fact that these errors would made is a sad commentary not only on Alex Jones and his group of "experts", but also the people watching this. Many times in these movies and on the radio show, there are some really interesting points made but they quickly devolve into paranoid ignorant rants. The cause of this is simple: You guys want all the benefits of being an enlightened individual who really knows what is going on, but you refuse to do the requisite work to make this happen. The Fabian Society has published dozens of articles a year since its inception, and many of the ideas you act like are big secrets are openly expressed. You would be much better served by doing your own research and not trusting everything the men who run this website tell you. Hegel is another person who's ideas were massively influential by themselves, but perhaps more so indirectly. The two "Hegelians" most of this website seems to despise are Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. You would know all these things for yourself, if you would simply read Hegel. You wouldn't need some clearly misinformed "expert" telling you about the Dialectal method of argumentation. Now while I've stated that becoming a truly enlightened and independent thinker is simple, it is far from easy. Hegel is one of the toughest philosophers to understand that I've ever come across, and it is often frustrating. The reward however, is a freedom from letting other people tell you how to think. Many of you seem to have realized that you shouldn't allow your minds to be controlled by the media and government, but haven't yet applied that logic to this very forum. This isn't to say this forum is a bad thing, but isn't allowing your opinions to be formed by only hearing one side what many of us are trying to avoid?


P.S. I want to attempt to head off a few ad hominem attacks preemptively. I have spent a significant chunk of time documenting these errors and attempting to bring them to light. I would appreciate some well thought out responses, and if you're tempted to post something along the lines of an accusation that I'm working for "them" please don't bother. I also want to make it known that I don't think I have all the answers, and I wouldn't dare declare myself an enlightened individual by any means. I simply see it as an admirable goal, and I think a lot of people here do too.

Suggested Reading (relevant to things discussed in post):

Hegel: The Essential Writings
Basic Writings of Neitchze
The Time Machine
Clockwork Orange
Anything by George Bernard Shaw
A Brave New World

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2009, 02:48:27 am »
Hi Pygmalion,

It is obvious that you are a highly educated person.  The one part of your post I can support unreservedly is your request for a credible source of the Lincoln quote - verifiable sources are without doubt an essential tool of "truth seeking".  While I respect your point of view and respect your call for people to self-educate, but there are certain things about this post you've created that I most certainly cannot respect.  Regardless, I - for one - will completely support your right to present your opinion. 

Mate, I think you've completely missed the point here, and I believe that parts of your post are treading a fine line of hypocrisy.

Let's start with that ...

You say that you want to avoid ad hominem attacks, and yet you won't refrain from making them.  Of course I refer here to your assertion that Alex's "subtle" error in making a "passing" reference to the Fabian Society is "ignorant", and again "a childish oversimplification that shows complete ignorance".  You're certainly not going to win friends or influence people to respond with anything other than ire with that one my friend.

Now, while I respect your diligence in pointing out these 2 "subtle" errors, you need to remember who these messages are aimed at.  Why were the 2 points you mentioned here glossed over and mentioned only "in passing"?  For the very fact that the VAST majority of the intended recipients have absolutely no appreciation whatsoever what the Hegelian Dialectic is or the relationship between thesis, antithesis and synthesis.  Such an understanding is not critical to receipt of or response to the message being presented and like ALL film makers, Alex has a limited time in which to present his arguments and much of the footage taken ends up with no place in the final production.  It's quite likely that these "errors" were discussed in quite a bit more detail and that much of the context in which these "errors" ACTUALLY occurred ended up on the cutting room floor.

Whenever I'm presenting this information to others - and I do so regularly - I endeavour to bring it down to VERY basic, VERY relatable levels.  I encourage you to do the same, or you will be met with resistance.  Indeed you may well be working against our cause without intending to.

Finally, you need to realise that agents of disinformation frequent these boards and use tactics identical to those you've used here in an attempt to "divide and conquer".  Indeed, you are correct in your assertion that you are likely to be viewed as working for "them", and frankly you have no-one to blame for this than yourself.

And with that, I'll stand aside and let the wolves have at you.

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2009, 02:50:36 am »
Hi Pygmalion

I would suggest that a better way to address these errors is to contact infowar (Alex) personally using the message system on there sites..

As some of the other users have said you might be up for a ban.

I personally have see posts up which do not share the view of the owners of this site being deleted straight away.

One has to remember this forum is not a democracy ;-)

Well spotted btw.

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2009, 04:05:40 am »
Sleeper accounts just keep popping up as noobs with a bone to pick, Hmm. Yeah, I can see there might be a ban in the near future. And a person with 2 posts is congratulating another noob with 3 posts! Guess they really do work in teams.

When will these people learn you just don't go walking into a person's house and start right off with badmouthing the host. Manners. ::)
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2009, 04:14:33 am »
Sleeper accounts just keep popping up as noobs with a bone to pick, Hmm. Yeah, I can see there might be a ban in the near future. And a person with 2 posts is congratulating another noob with 3 posts! Guess they really do work in teams.

When will these people learn you just don't go walking into a person's house and start right off with badmouthing the host. Manners. ::)

It is a far worse thing to quash criticism than address the points being criticized. In that respect, it shouldn't matter how long someone has been a member. Threatening people with a ban for stating an opinion or questioning is the pinnacle of ignorance. May as well just add a checkbox to the sign up page saying "You agree to agree with everything on this board without question, failure to do so may result in an immediate ban". ::)
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2009, 04:15:21 am »
Wow, you found THREE "errors" in how many hours of video?  And you're not even sure that one of them is really an "error"?   ::)

You really got us.  I'm sure Alex will be forced to shut down his radio show and websites over this stunning embarrassment.
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2009, 04:18:59 am »
Ok, so you found three errors? ... Now go watch a mainstream documentary and count the errors? Alex and his experts aren't perfect, they've never claimed to be, but they speaks more truth than anyone in the mainsteam... In an ideal world they shouldn't even have to be making these movies.
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2009, 04:19:28 am »
Sleeper accounts just keep popping up as noobs with a bone to pick, Hmm. Yeah, I can see there might be a ban in the near future. And a person with 2 posts is congratulating another noob with 3 posts! Guess they really do work in teams.

I noticed that too...  Like they've known each other forever with all 3 of their posts. lol

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2009, 04:26:50 am »
I noticed that too...  Like they've known each other forever with all 3 of their posts. lol

Instant BFFs...how cute.

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2009, 04:38:05 am »
The first point the op makes backs up exactly what Alex said. I don't see an error or a conflict between the two statements. Your writing is not very coherent op.
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2009, 04:42:50 am »
It is a far worse thing to quash criticism than address the points being criticized. In that respect, it shouldn't matter how long someone has been a member. Threatening people with a ban for stating an opinion or questioning is the pinnacle of ignorance. May as well just add a checkbox to the sign up page saying "You agree to agree with everything on this board without question, failure to do so may result in an immediate ban". ::)

In time, one starts to see, if they're paying attention, a pattern of certain type posts with certain language. Seen it many times what this person just did, even though they may not know what they did. Play all innocent as being new, but when you check how long they've been registrered you find one of them has been a member for awhile without any postings, and one or more are very new members. Just check these people when they show up like this and you'll see. It's called a pattern, a well-known pattern.

If they are innocent, and their post just happens to be a coincidence, then that will bare out, but it rarely does. In most cases like this, the person is taking a popshot, it's a driveby looking to stir up something in passing. They have an agenda other than joining a group to learn something. If they've spent any time in forums, they know this happens all the time. It's like a standard feature of messageboards. If they're new to forums, they'll learn that people watch for that kind of stuff to prevent trolls from taking over a board. It's nothing personal. Most people who have posted any amount in a forum has been called a troll or had their intent questioned at one time or another.

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2009, 04:59:04 am »
Pygmalion:

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Anything by George Bernard Shaw

You do know this guy championed gas chambers in the 1910s for the unfit, right? If you want someone to blame for the Holocaust, you can start at this guy right here. He also said something equal to: "Justify your existence in front of us, society and the Fabians".

And please do not even feign ignorance here, because I can pull up for you quote after quote where he champions the development of gas chambers for 'humane killing' of the 'unfit'.

These are your champions? Genocidal pieces of shit worse than Hitler that think they're better than anyone else? I think you're stuck in another paradigm - the socialist paradigm, that is. You seem to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome in that you seem to think that the Fabian Society are out to 'further' society - as if some cabal consisting of British Lords and British playwrights really give a shit whether your standard of living improves.

If you haven't noticed by now, all those 'perks' are starting to disappear. I hope you enjoy the constant 24/7 CCTV monitoring and the total microchipped society they plan to roll out. That, too, will be part of those lovely 'Fabian' blokes you love to write so waxingly about. Your complacent and liberal do-gooder atittude is also part of the lovely 'Fabian Society' - they'vre bred it into your mother, your father, and by extension into you. In Darwinian evolutionary thinking, you've become the domesticated pet - while the elite remain a master race that must remain wild. You're the prey, and they're the hunters. In Bertrand Russell's own words, the idea of plebs like you instigating a revolt would be as unthinkable as sheep plotting an insurrection against the practice of eating mutton.

I think you're not even aware George Orwell wrote his novel 'Nineteen Eighty Four' as a criticism/satire of the Fabian Society. In short, I think you've swallowed an awful lot of the 'socialist' nonsense coming out of the Fabian school. It's not that you have really pointed out 'flaws' or 'errors' - it's more that your ideology is conflicting with the views presented.

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I think you mean 'Nietzsche'. Well, there you have your proto-Nazi right there. Once again, these are your champions? Really? I feel pity for you if that is the case. You can find a hell of a lot better cheerleaders out there if you really want to find 'champions of the people'. Nietzsche and George Bernard Shaw sure as hell ain't it.

I think you learned this entire worldview from some government-run college. I don't even think you know what it is all about really apart from what academia told you.
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2009, 05:41:37 am »
Hello, I'm currently new to the forum and while researching the case put forward here I've come across a few errors that I would like to point out and perhaps have clarified.

1). In Alex Jones' Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement, Alex mentions in passing the Fabian bloc in reference to the allied powers in world war II. This error is subtle, and like most of the ones I have discovered isn't so much a complete fabrication but just an ignorant statement stemming from a lack of understanding. First I need to define socialism: socialism is a system in which capital is allocated towards where it can do the most social good, as opposed to where it can provide the highest return on invested capital (profit) in a capitalist system. Many different cultures and political interests have been socialist. Where many disagree, is how best to implement a functioning socialist system. Marxism, in broad terms, advocated the implementation of this system through violent overthrow of the existing property owning class. The first country to attempt to do this on a large scale was Russia in the beginning of the 20th century. Fabian socialism is an idea first put forward to the public through a group known as the Fabian Society. This group was made up of influential intellectuals in the United Kingdom. While their goal was equivalent to that of Marxism's, they disagreed that violent overthrow of the existing institutional power was the most appropriate way to achieve this goal. They advocated attaining their ends through the process of incremental change. Their argument being that no single maneuver would be enough to provoke any serious resistance. They were (and still are) a very influential group, and many of their ideas have been enacted both in the United Kingdom and the United States. Public healthcare, income taxation, public schooling, degradation of the institution of marriage, and lessening the power of the family are all ideas they deserve credit for. After reading this, you can see that while what Alex Jones says in the movie isn't necessarily wrong completely wrong, but it is a childish oversimplification that shows complete ignorance of the very things he claims to be "expanding your consciousness" about.

2). In Fall of The Republic: Part I, one of the "experts" testifying about the NWO throws around the term Hegelian Dialectic. Now this is I think the most egregious error made in the entire series of movies this site has put out.  It's wrong for the very same reasons the comments on Fabianism are: it betrays the person speaking has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. This one is a real shame, because he is so close to a very important point but misses it. Hegel and his ideas, especially his method of attaining truth, have been incredibly influential. Especially among the people you guys claim are out to get you. I won't even attempt to explain this here, but for anyone interested the book Hegel: The Essential Writings edited by Frederick G. Weiss is a very nice introduction to his ideas. It includes prefaces and annotations to help explain some especially difficult parts.

3). In Fall of The Republic: Part I, the following quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln: "I have the Confederacy before me and the bankers behind me, and for America I fear the bankers most." In this case, I'm not exactly sure this is an error. When I heard the quote, I thought it was so damning that I decided to do some research into the context. I have been unable to find a single reliable source that cites where this quote came from and when it was spoken. If anyone here can help me with that, I would really appreciate it.

These three are the errors I discovered during my first viewing of these two movies, I will continue to point out anymore I find. To conclude this post, I would like to make a few points. The fact that these errors would made is a sad commentary not only on Alex Jones and his group of "experts", but also the people watching this. Many times in these movies and on the radio show, there are some really interesting points made but they quickly devolve into paranoid ignorant rants. The cause of this is simple: You guys want all the benefits of being an enlightened individual who really knows what is going on, but you refuse to do the requisite work to make this happen. The Fabian Society has published dozens of articles a year since its inception, and many of the ideas you act like are big secrets are openly expressed. You would be much better served by doing your own research and not trusting everything the men who run this website tell you. Hegel is another person who's ideas were massively influential by themselves, but perhaps more so indirectly. The two "Hegelians" most of this website seems to despise are Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. You would know all these things for yourself, if you would simply read Hegel. You wouldn't need some clearly misinformed "expert" telling you about the Dialectal method of argumentation. Now while I've stated that becoming a truly enlightened and independent thinker is simple, it is far from easy. Hegel is one of the toughest philosophers to understand that I've ever come across, and it is often frustrating. The reward however, is a freedom from letting other people tell you how to think. Many of you seem to have realized that you shouldn't allow your minds to be controlled by the media and government, but haven't yet applied that logic to this very forum. This isn't to say this forum is a bad thing, but isn't allowing your opinions to be formed by only hearing one side what many of us are trying to avoid?


P.S. I want to attempt to head off a few ad hominem attacks preemptively. I have spent a significant chunk of time documenting these errors and attempting to bring them to light. I would appreciate some well thought out responses, and if you're tempted to post something along the lines of an accusation that I'm working for "them" please don't bother. I also want to make it known that I don't think I have all the answers, and I wouldn't dare declare myself an enlightened individual by any means. I simply see it as an admirable goal, and I think a lot of people here do too.

Suggested Reading (relevant to things discussed in post):

Hegel: The Essential Writings
Basic Writings of Neitchze
The Time Machine
Clockwork Orange
Anything by George Bernard Shaw
A Brave New World

Socialism is the most murderous creed which has ever existed on the face of the Earth. It gives to government control over all aspects of society, yet government by its intrinsic nature is the greatest engine of rapine and slaughter that could ever obtain. Hence, socialism empowers the greatest serial-killer ever known. The mass-butcheries of the Communist Chinese government, the U.S.S.R., the National Socialist German government, the Khmer Rouge, etc., are not aberrations of socialism, but rather its essence.

Plank No. 5 of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels' Communist Manifesto is "Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly." (See Manifesto of the Communist Party by Marx and Engels, English edition of 1888 http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/61 .)

Marx's system was designed from the start for maximal slavery of the plebeian class and maximal power for the ruling class. Marx's Communism puts all power in the hands of the state (i.e., the ruling class), and the common individual is left with literally no rights whatsoever. Marx's class system is a butchery taken from the classical liberals (what in the U.S. is now called libertarians--certainly not to be confused with the illiberals who commonly call themselves liberals today). Specifically, Marx butchered the veridical class analysis of the 19th century liberals (in the original sense of the word "liberal"), which in large part originated with French philosopher Étienne de La Boétie and French economist Jean-Baptiste Say, and was later expanded upon by French economists Charles Comte and Charles Dunoyer, and French historian Augustin Thierry. Marx himself credits the bourgeois liberals with the discovery of the class conflict:

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For example, in a letter to Joseph Weydemeyer of March 5, 1852 Marx admits that

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as far as I am concerned, the credit for having discovered the existence and the conflict of classes in modern society does not belong to me. Bourgeois historians presented the historical development of this class struggle, and the economists showed its economic anatomy long before I did.[688]
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Later in this same letter Marx refers to Thierry, Guizot, the English radical John Wade, and Ricardo as examples of the liberals who influenced his theory of class. There are suggestions in Marx's earlier attempts at class analysis in The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte and The Civil War in France that his class analysis is closer to the liberal theory, with its dichotomy between the state as exploiter and civil society as producer, than it is to the traditional, later "Marxist" view of the state as the instrument of the bourgeoisie and exploitation as the necessary result of the industrial production process.

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[Note:] [688]Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Selected Correspondence (Moscow, 1965), pp. 67.
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The above is taken from Prof. David M. Hart, "The Radical Liberalism of Charles Comte and Charles Dunoyer," October 28, 2003 http://homepage.mac.com/dmhart/ComteDunoyer/Ch7.html

The purest public statement by the royalist globalist oligarchy remains Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels's works. Marx had a seething hatred for the proletariate. Below is from their Manifesto of the Communist Party (1848; English edition of 1888: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/61 ):

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Abolition of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

But, you will say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.
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Marx and Engels earlier wrote the following in their book The German Ideology (1845: http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1845/german-ideology/ch01a.htm ):

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That the abolition of individual economy is inseparable from the abolition of the family is self-evident.
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The terms "left" and "right" in the political sense go back to 1789 in France. When the French Estates-General (États-Généraux) met on May 6, 1789, the Third Estate commoners, who wanted less taxes and government control (i.e., "laissez-faire"), were seated on the left side of King Louis XVI, and the Second Estate nobles and First Estate clergy, who were the conservatives and wanted to maintain the government's power, sat on his right. (Prior to the May 1789 convention of the French Estates-General [the first meeting of which was on May 5, 1789], the last time the Estates-General had met was under King Louis XIII from October 27, 1614 to February 23, 1615.)

Also, "liberal" originally meant what we would call today (at least in the U.S. and Canada) "libertarian," i.e., laissez-faire free market, less taxes, less regulation, and gun ownership by the common people. Thus, in the original sense of the words, someone who wanted no taxes, all drugs to be legal, a free market, and armament of the common people would be a left-wing liberal.

The term "liberal" as it is commonly used today is purely and simply a misnomer meaning the opposite of what it originally meant, as those commonly called "liberals" today are about giving government more power, not in stripping government of power. Those commonly called "liberals" today are in fact right-wing conservatives in the original sense of that political term. So also, socialism and Communism are exceedingly right-wing and conservative political philosophies, as they put all power into the hands of government, rather than strip government of power.

Of course, this change in the meaning of liberalism (such that today it means the opposite of what it originally meant) was by no accident. Authentic liberalism represents the only genuine threat to statism (i.e., right-wing conservatism, in the original sense of the term), and due to liberalism's triumphs in gaining the intellectual high-ground during the 19th century, it was necessary for the ruling elite to subvert the liberal agenda if they were to survive. The oligarchy did this by sabotaging the very meaning of the terms "liberalism" and "left-wing"--such that these terms now popularly mean the opposite of what they once did--via bankrolling and promoting self-termed "liberal" court intellectuals who in fact promote the right-wing, conservative agenda, i.e., statism, i.e., collectivism. Thus, in doing this, the ruling class succeeded in changing the meaning of their oppositional philosophy to a philosophy that supports their empowerment. That is, the ruling elite created another branch of right-wing conservatism, nowadays called by the misnomer "liberalism," so also by the names of socialism and Communism.

Government, whatever its de jure status, strongly tends toward oligarchy. The bigger the government the stronger this tendency will be, since then the stakes of exercising a disproportionate influence over government policy is raised (as big government has the ability to, e.g., make or break business fortunes via its policies and how it chooses to enforce them).[1] That is true every bit as much for formal democracies. Consequenty, under government, the strong inclination is a winnowing effect whereby those who rise to the top of the private sector and the government sector are those who are willing to "play along to get along," i.e., amenable to supporting the furtherance of the political establishment's power.

Such applies to media outlets and universities, as well[2]; which, when combined with the government's own schooling and propaganda, inculcates the largest part of individuals' Weltanschauung from cradle to grave: the contents of that worldview being rather thoroughgoing, if muddleheaded and hodgepodge, forms of etatism, accompanying a high degree of political naïveté which such a position implies. Hence, the very intellectual tools which are prerequisite for sustaining an effective defense of liberty are absent most people.

So also due to that effect of winnowing, there tends to be a confluence of ideology at the top level, for accrument of power becomes its own purpose as the government moves toward its logical conclusion: the total state, and all the horrors that come with it. Distinctions such as Democrat and Republican, "liberal" and conservative, etc., are useful for providing hoi polloi with innocuous distractions, but they mean little at the top echelon.[3]

Since all governments (including totalitarian dictatorships) ultimately can only exist due to the "consent" of its subjects (at least "consent" in the sense of resignation), it's understandable why the oligarchic nature of government would not be widely publicized by the political establishment within a formal democracy.

The process of tendency toward oligarchy I've outlined above is intrinsic to government due to the inherent, perverse incentive structures which obtain under government (i.e., the internal logic of the system). Ultimately it doesn't matter how pure and good the intentions are of the people who set up the government, nor what type of government is nominally instituted: so long as the defining feature of government exists--that of a regional monopoly on ultimate control over the law--then this process cannot be avoided, since the inherent incentives of the system are such as to reward actors who bring about such outcomes (being that one who is able to inordinately influence the policies of a government can use that influence for his personal benefit and that of his friends, whereas liberty for society is a general benefit which accrues to no one in particular). All the good intentions in the world are no match against perverse incentives.

The foregoing is the political economy basis for understanding government's tendency toward oligarchy. But I'll here provide extensive empirical evidence to further show that worldly praxis matches the analysis.

Besides the permanent government of the so-called military-industrial complex that President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned us about in his January 17, 1961 presidential farewell address, President Franklin D. Roosevelt noted in a private letter only published after his death:

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The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson--and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W.W. The country is going through a repetition of Jackson's fight with the Bank of the United States--only on a far bigger and broader basis.
""

(From President Franklin Delano Roosevelt in a letter to Col. Edward Mandell House, November 21, 1933; contained in F.D.R.: His Personal Letters, 1928-1945, edited by Elliott Roosevelt [New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1950], pg. 373.)

The history which Franklin Roosevelt invokes in his above comment is quite telling, and all the more relevant to the current economic ills which the world is experiencing. President Andrew Jackson was a staunch critic of central banking, and he led the movement that ended the Second Bank of the United States. So in writing the above, Roosevelt was criticizing the Federal Reserve System and the monied families (e.g., the Rockefellers) which put it in place, whom Roosevelt refers to as the actual owners of the U.S. government and whom Prof. Carroll Quigley would later write about.

But the most important point of Roosevelt's above statement is that he is therein claiming that he is merely a figurehead. Moreover, he's telling this to Col. Edward Mandell House, who was an old government insider and previously the advisor to President Woodrow Wilson. That is, Roosevelt took it for granted that House would already know that he was merely a figurehead (i.e., Roosevelt's statement of "as you and I know").

Deeply contemplate the foregoing. Franklin Roosevelt is widely regarded as quite possibly the most powerful U.S. president to ever exist, with the only other plausible contender for that title being Lincoln. And the U.S. presidency is commonly considered the most powerful position on Earth in the history of the world. Yet here Roosevelt maintains that he's merely a titular head. And that he says to a deeply-connected government insider in a manner which demonstrates that he's providing no great revelation, i.e., he expects House to know exactly what he's talking about.

Roosevelt in the above letter mentioned President Woodrow Wilson ("W.W."). Below is what Woodrow Wilson himself wrote concerning this same matter:

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Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.

... and we have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated, governments in the civilized world--no longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.
""

(From Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom: A Call for the Emancipation of the Generous Energies of a People [New York and Garden City: Doubleday, Page & Company, 1913] http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/14811 .)

David Rockefeller writes:

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For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.
""

(From David Rockefeller, Memoirs [New York, N.Y.: Random House, 2002], pg. 405.)

So here, in no uncertain terms, David Rockefeller proudly admits to being part of a "secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States" and "conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world ..." As he states: "If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

Here we also see the psychopathic mindset in action. All that matters to Rockefeller is what he and his fellow conspirators desire. If anyone opposes his tyrannical desires and the underhanded means by which he enacts them, then they're "ideological extremists." In his mind, the world revolves around Rockefeller and his clique and exists to do their bidding.

Also from David Rockefeller:

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One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony. From the loud patriotic music at the border onward, there is a very real and pervasive dedication to Chairman Mao and Maoist principles. Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community purpose.

General economic and social progress is no less impressive. ...

The enormous social advances of China have benefitted greatly from the singleness of ideology and purpose. ...

The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history. ...
""

(From David Rockefeller, in his article "From a China Traveler," New York Times, August 10, 1973, pg. 31.)

The below is from Edith Kermit Roosevelt, granddaughter of Theodore Roosevelt:

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The word "Establishment" is a general term for the power elite in international finance, business, the professions and government, largely from the northeast, who wield most of the power regardless of who is in the White House.

Most people are unaware of the existence of this "legitimate Mafia." Yet the power of the Establishment makes itself felt from the professor who seeks a foundation grant, to the candidate for a cabinet post or State Department job. It affects the nation's policies in almost every area.
""

(From Edith Kermit Roosevelt, "Elite Clique Holds Power in U.S.," Indianapolis News, December 23, 1961, pg. 6.)

For the history on how the "capitalist" (i.e., mercantilist) elite in the U.S. bankrolled Communism as well as National Socialism, see the below scholarly books by libertarian Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D.:

Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D. (New Rochelle, N.Y.: Arlington House Publishers, 1974) http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/index.html

(Note: Chapter I of the above book refers to a 1911 St. Louis Post-Dispatch cartoon illustration by Robert Minor. This can be viewed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Robert-Minor-Dee-Lighted-1911.png .)

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D. (Suffolk, England: Bloomfield Books, 1976) http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/index.html
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/sutton_wall_street/index.html

The Best Enemy Money Can Buy, Antony C. Sutton, Ph.D. (Billings, M.T.: Liberty House Press, 1986) http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/index.html
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/sutton_best_enemy/index.html

See also:

"Thyssen Funds Found in U.S.," International News Service (INS), July 31, 1941 http://www.infowars.com/print_prescott.htm

Vesting Order Number 248, Federal Register, November 7, 1942 http://www.mbpolitics.com/bush2000/Vesting.htm
http://www.mbpolitics.com/bush2000/Vesting%20248.gif

"Bush-Nazi Link Confirmed," John Buchanan, New Hampshire Gazette, Vol. 248, No. 1, October 10, 2003
http://web.archive.org/web/20040510030611/http://nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_Link

"'Bush-Nazi Dealings Continued Until 1951'--Federal Documents," John Buchanan and Stacey Michael, New Hampshire Gazette, Vol. 248, No. 3, November 7, 2003
http://web.archive.org/web/20031119040002/http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=detail&catalogno=NN_Bush_Nazi_2

"How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power," Ben Aris and Duncan Campbell, Guardian (U.K.), September 25, 2004 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

"How the Bush family made its fortune from the Nazis," Attorney John Loftus, former U.S. Department of Justice Nazi War Crimes prosecutor and current President of the Florida Holocaust Museum, September 27, 2000 http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html
http://www.john-loftus.com/Thyssen.asp

The Bilderberg group is the top-tier of the globalist ruling elite. Groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission are the Bilderberg group's more public organizational branches which help to enact the agenda of the Bilderberg group.

Reuters acknowledges that the Bilderberg group of European royalty and international central bankers groomed Bill Clinton and Tony Blair for the U.S. Presidency and British Prime Ministry, respectively:

"Secretive Bilderberg group to meet in Sweden," Peter Starck, Reuters, May 23, 2001 http://www.propagandamatrix.com/reuters_bilderberg.html

As the below BBC Radio report reveals from uncovered archived Bilderberg documents, the European Union and the euro European Union single-currency were both the brainchild of the Bilderberg group and secretly planned since the first Bilderberg group meeting in 1954:

"Club Class," Simon Cox, BBC Radio Four, July 3, 2003 http://www.propagandamatrix.com/bbc_radio_4_bilderberg.mp3
http://web.archive.org/web/20051023125305/http://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/bbc_radio_4_club_class.mp3
http://web.archive.org/web/20030714183005/http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2003/07/1624491.php

See also:

"Inside the secretive Bilderberg Group," Bill Hayton, BBC News, September 29, 2005 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4290944.stm

"Confessions of a Globalist: Bilderberger Admits Influence on World Decisions," James P. Tucker Jr., American Free Press, Issue #42, October 17, 2005 http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/confessions_of_a_globalist.html

"Elite power brokers' secret talks," Emma Jane Kirby, BBC News, May 15, 2003 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3031717.stm

"World government in action," Joseph Farah, WorldNetDaily.com, May 16, 2003 http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32606

"The masters of the universe," Pepe Escobar, Asia Times, May 22, 2003 http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EE22Ak03.html

For more information on the Bilderberg group, see the below news archives:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archive_bilderberg.html

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archive_bilderberg.html

For a recent Bilderberg meeting, see:

"Castrated U.S. Media Remains Obediently Silent On Bilderberg: Not a single mention in corporate press of 125+ global power brokers meeting behind closed doors," Paul Joseph Watson, Prison Planet, June 9, 2008 http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2008/060908_castrated_media.htm

As Lord Acton noted, "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" (from a letter by Acton to Bishop Mandell Creighton, April 1887). One of the main pleasures and prerogatives of those who seek such power is the exercise of it. And when the world is one's oyster and one has grown tired of the usual thrills that money can buy, combined with effective legal impunity (so long as they remain servants of the establishment), the tastes of elites often seek out more bizarre and verboten thrills. For voluminous documentation on their more saturnalian escapades, see the below post by me:

"Documentation on Elitist Child Sex-Slavery, Snuff Films and Occultism," James Redford, September 3, 2007 http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=4468

Related to the previous item, in the below post by me, I provide massive amounts of documentation wherein the U.S. government itself admits it is holding innocent people indefinitely without charges (including children and U.S. citizens), torturing them, raping them--including homosexually anally raping them--and murdering them, and that the orders to do so came from the highest levels of the U.S. government:

"Crushing Children's Testicles: Welcome to the New Freedom," TetrahedronOmega, August 12, 2006 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=59&mforum=libertyandtruth

On the matter of the intensive conditioning of the public by government to recoil from conspiracy charges which inculpate it (while at the same time accepting the mendacious, anti-veridical and self-serving conspiracy theories the government promulgates), the following passage by Prof. Murray N. Rothbard is quite edifying:

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It is also important for the State to inculcate in its subjects an aversion to any "conspiracy theory of history"; for a search for "conspiracies" means a search for motives and an attribution of responsibility for historical misdeeds. If, however, any tyranny imposed by the State, or venality, or aggressive war, was caused not by the State rulers but by mysterious and arcane "social forces," or by the imperfect state of the world or, if in some way, everyone was responsible ("We Are All Murderers," proclaims one slogan), then there is no point to the people becoming indignant or rising up against such misdeeds. Furthermore, an attack on "conspiracy theories" means that the subjects will become more gullible in believing the "general welfare" reasons that are always put forth by the State for engaging in any of its despotic actions. A "conspiracy theory" can unsettle the system by causing the public to doubt the State's ideological propaganda.
""

(From Prof. Murray N. Rothbard, "The Anatomy of the State," Rampart Journal of Individualist Thought, Summer 1965, pp. 1-24. Reprinted in a collection of some of Rothbard's articles, Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature and Other Essays [Washington, D.C.: Libertarian Review Press, 1974]. http://www.mises.org/easaran/chap3.asp )

The inherent, unchangeable nature of government is colossal conspiracy. Recall that a conspiracy is simply when two or more people take part in a plan which involves doing something improper to others (of which plan may or may not be kept secret, i.e., secrecy is not a necessary component for actions to be a conspiracy). The mere fact that governments set for themselves double-standards is alone quite enough to logically demonstrate that governments themselves consider their own actions improper (i.e., if their same actions which they do to others were to be done to them). Thus, the conclusion that government itself is the largest corporeal conspiracy to ever exist or that could ever exist is logically unavoidable.

Since obviously more than one person was involved in planning the 9/11 attacks, then by definition the U.S. government's offical fairy tale is a conspiracy theory, as the U.S. government is putting forth a theory concerning the 9/11 attacks which involves a conspiracy.

Furthermore, conspiracies are ubiquitous (witness all the laws on the books against conspiracy, and how many people are routinely charged under said laws), and the most egregious perpetrators of murderously brutal conspiracies are governments upon their own innocent citizens. More than six times the amount of noncombatants have been systematically murdered for purely ideological reasons by their own governments within the past century than were killed in that same time-span from wars. From 1900 to 1923, various Turkish regimes murdered from 3.5 million to over 4.3 million of its own Armenians, Greeks, Nestorians, and other Christians. The Soviet government murdered over 61 million of its own noncombatant subjects. The communist Chinese government murdered over 76 million of it own subjects. And Germany murdered some 16 million of it own subjects in the past century. And that's only a sampling of governments mass-murdering their own noncombatant subjects within the past century. (The preceding figures are from Prof. Rudolph Joseph Rummel's University of Hawaii website at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/ .)

All totaled, neither the private-sector crime which government is largely responsible for promoting and causing or even the wars committed by governments upon the subjects of other governments come anywhere close to the crimes government is directly responsible for committing against its own citizens--certainly not in amount of numbers. Without a doubt, the most dangerous presence to ever exist throughout history has always been the people's very own government. (This is also historically true for the U.S. govermment, as no group has killed more U.S. citizens than the U.S. government. Viz., the Civil War; etc.)

Not only were all of these government mass-slaughters conspiracies--massive conspiracies, at that--but they were conspiracies of which the 9/11 attacks are quite piddling by comparison.

Moreover, terrorism is the health of the state (indeed, government is itself a logical subset of terrorism, and the word terrorism originally referred exclusively to government actions: i.e., the Reign of Terror in France against critics of the state, which was done according to the law--and later on the word terrorism was used to refer to other governments), which is why so many governments throughout history have manufactured duplicitous terrorism in which to serve as a pretext in order to usurp ever more power and control. In the below post by me is contained voluminous amounts of documentation which refutes the U.S. government's mendacious, self-serving, anti-historical, anti-physical law, anti-factual, and provably false official fairy tale conspiracy theory concerning the 9/11 attacks, as well as documentation on many other government-staged acts of terrorism:

"Documentation on Government-Staged Terrorism," TetrahedronOmega, September 30, 2005 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2&mforum=libertyandtruth

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Notes:

1. Witness the ridiculous legal persecution of Michael Milken and Martha Stewart, and the absurdist cases brought against Microsoft. Even the richest of moguls know that should the government, for whatever reason, take a disliking to them that it can trump up preposterous charges against them and a large portion of the public will cheer.

See also "Former CEO Says U.S. Punished Phone Firm: Qwest Feared NSA Plan Was Illegal, Filing Says," Ellen Nakashima and Dan Eggen with contribution from Richard Drezen, Washington Post, October 13, 2007; A01 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/12/AR2007101202485_pf.html

Excerpt from the above article:

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A former Qwest Communications International executive, appealing a conviction for insider trading, has alleged that the government withdrew opportunities for contracts worth hundreds of millions of dollars after Qwest refused to participate in an unidentified National Security Agency program that the company thought might be illegal.

Former chief executive Joseph P. Nacchio, convicted in April of 19 counts of insider trading, said the NSA approached Qwest more than six months before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, according to court documents unsealed in Denver this week.
""

2. For extensive documentation regarding this matter, see "The Major Media is Owned by the U.S. Government," TetrahedronOmega, December 31, 2008 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=125&mforum=libertyandtruth

3. For example, Bill Clinton calls the Bushes his adoptive family, and vacations with them regularly. Hillary Clinton has long had regular private dinners with Rupert Murdoch and she was politically supported by Murdoch, who was helping her raise funds for her presidential bid.

John Kerry and Bushes Sr. and Jr. are all Bonesmen in the occult sociey of the Brotherhood of Death (a.k.a. the Order of Skull & Bones at Yale), of which occult society was instrumental in the funding of Hitler and the Nazis. Bonesman Prescott Bush (Bush, Sr.'s father) had one of his banks and a number of his companies seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act for his financing of the Nazis even during wartime.

Below are some articles on the Clintons being exceedingly close family friends of the Bushes:

"Bill Clinton Talks Heart Surgery on 'Letterman,'" Associated Press, June 17, 2005 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159851,00.html

From the above article:

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During a recent appearance together in Houston, Clinton noted that Barbara Bush had taken to calling Clinton "son."

"I told the Republicans in the audience not to worry, every family has one--you know, the black sheep, kind of drifts off," he said. "I told them, I said, 'This just shows you the lengths at which the Bushes would go to get another president in the family and I wish I could get them to adopt Hillary.' "
""

See also:

"Opposites attract," Julian Borger, Guardian (U.K.), July 1, 2005 http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1518633,00.html

"Inside Politics," transcript, CNN, June 17, 2005 http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/17/ip.01.html

"Verbatim," Time, June 20, 2005 http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501050627-1074169,00.html

"Barbara Bush Calls Bill Clinton 'Son,'" Drudge Report, June 17, 2005 http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/clinton_barbara_bush_calls_clinton_son.htm , http://www.drudgereport.com/flash5.htm

Below are some articles on Rupert Murdoch's love for Hillary Clinton:

"Murdoch to host fundraiser for Hillary Clinton," Caroline Daniel, additional reporting by Aline Van Duyn, Financial Times, May 8, 2006 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/61faabde-deb8-11da-acee-0000779e2340.html

"Hillary Clinton defends link with Murdoch," Holly Yeager and Caroline Daniel, Financial Times, May 10, 2006 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/577ecd2e-dfc2-11da-afe4-0000779e2340,_i_rssPage=80fdaff6-cbe5-11d7-81c6-0820abe49a01.html

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In the below article, Henry Kissinger uses the type of nebulous and vapid language which those who desire to seem profound but without actually saying much that's concrete are wont to use, with such phrases as "accumulation of nuance" (more like the accumulation of nonsense). But despite its obfuscatory and mostly inane jabbering, one can extract from the article that Kissinger is calling for an "international political regulatory system." For example:

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International order will not come about either in the political or economic field until there emerge general rules toward which countries can orient themselves.

In the end, the political and economic systems can be harmonized in only one of two ways: by creating an international political regulatory system with the same reach as that of the economic world; or by shrinking the economic units to a size manageable by existing political structures, which is likely to lead to a new mercantilism, perhaps of regional units.
""

Of that false dichotomy which Kissinger gives, he argues in favor of the former option. Another synonym for government that types like Kissinger sometimes use in thinking that they're being cleaver by not saying the word government so as to not stir up the rubes is "governance," as in the phrase "global governance." For the article the above excerpt is from, see:

"The chance for a new world order," Henry A. Kissinger, International Herald Tribune, January 12, 2009 http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/12/opinion/edkissinger.php
http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/01/12/opinion/edkissinger.php?page=2

And see:

"Kissinger: Obama primed to create 'New World Order'; Policy guru says global upheaval presents 'great opportunity,'" Drew Zahn, WorldNetDaily, January 6, 2009 http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=85442

"Kissinger: Obama's 'task' is to help create a 'new world order,'" Raw Story, January 6, 2009 http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Henry_Kissinger_Obama_should_act_to_0106.html

"New Kissinger NWO : New World Order & Obama Worship," Illtype, January 5, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GThfWVCfjVo

From 2:45 min:sec in the above video clip, Henry Kissinger says "His [Barack Obama's] task will be to develop an overall strategy for America in this period when, really, a new world order can be created. It's a great opportunity, it isn't just a crisis."

Below is a previous occurance of Henry Kissinger calling for a New World Order, here on the Charlie Rose (PBS) show:

"Henry Kissinger New World Order again," GrandChessboard, April 2, 2007 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bKwH3kJew4

The below articles are on Fabian Society socialist Gordon Brown, the current U.K. Prime Minister, calling for a new world order:

"Brown wants a 'new world order,'" BBC News, January 19, 2007 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6277747.stm

"Brown wants 'new world order' to fight global warming," Agence France-Presse (AFP), March 12, 2007 http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070312/wl_uk_afp/britainpolitics_070312082025

"Brown demands 'new world order,'" Press Association, March 12, 2007 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uklatest/story/0,,-6473968,00.html

"Brown calls for overhaul of UN, World Bank and IMF: Chancellor says bodies are lagging globalisation; 'New world order' must serve developing nations," Larry Elliott, January 17, 2007 Guardian Unlimited http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,,1992594,00.html

From the above article:

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Responding to demands from civil society groups that the stranglehold of rich countries--particularly the United States--on international bodies should be weakened, Mr Brown said there was a "need to make globalisation work for all by building an alliance for economic and social justice and environmental care--an essential element of the new world order--and by comprehensively and on all fronts overcoming the challenge of violent jihadist terrorism."
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Speech by the Rt. Hon. Gordon Brown MP, Chancellor of the Exchequer, at the Confederation of Indian Industry, Bangalore, January 17, 2007 http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/speech_chex_170107.htm

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Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective--a new world order--can emerge: a new era ... Today that new world is struggling to be born, a world quite different from the one we've known. ... This is the vision that I shared with President Gorbachev in Helsinki.

--then-U.S. President George Bush, Sr., September 11, 1990, in a televised speech before a joint session of Congress. http://www.prisonplanet.com/bushsnNWO.mpa , http://bushlibrary.tamu.edu/research/public_papers.php?id=2217&year=1990&month=9

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When we are successful, and we will be, we have a real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the U.N.'s founders.

--then-U.S. President George Bush, Sr., in a televised speech on January 16, 1991. See "George Bush New World Order," nwokiller, June 25, 2006. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7i0wCFf8g

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The President George Bush has talked time and time again about a new world order, and this is the best chance to begin to establish the new world order.

--then-U.S. Vice President Dan Quayle, in a television interview with CNN. http://www.prisonplanet.com/quayle-CNN.mpa

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There is a chance for the President of the United States to use this disaster [the 9/11 attacks] to carry out what his father--a phrase his father used I think only once, and hasn't been used since, and that is a new world order.

--Gary Hart, former Democratic Party U.S. Senator from Colorado, in a televised Council on Foreign Relations meeting, September 14, 2001. http://www.prisonplanet.com/hart2.mpa

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President Bush Sr. proudly spoke of "The New World Order," a term used by those who promote one-world government under the United Nations.

--Congressman Ron Paul, "Another United Nations War?," speech in the House of Representatives, February 26, 2003. http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr022603.htm

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"New World Order": Gorbachev first picked up and used the phrase in December 1988 and it was later used to great effect by US President George Bush to celebrate, well, the New World Order.

--Sheila Barter, "Dachas and glasnost in Evil Empire," BBC News, August 15, 2001. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1484717.stm

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We are going to end up with world government. It's inevitable ... There's going to be conflict, coercion and consensus. That's all part of what will be required as we give birth to the first global civilization.

--James Garrison, President of Gorbachev Foundation USA, quoted in The Daily Record, Dunn, North Carolina, October 17, 1995, pg. 4.

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World government, like scientific process, will be conducted by statement, criticism, and publication that will be capable of efficient translation. ... A number of readers will be disposed to say that this is a very vague, undefined, and complicated conception of world government. But indeed it is a simplification. Not only are the present governments of the world a fragmentary competitive confusion, but none of them is as simple as it appears.

--H. G. Wells (Herbert George Wells), member of the socialist Fabian Society, in his non-fiction political book The Open Conspiracy: Blueprints For A World Revolution (1928). http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/hgwells/hg_cont.htm , http://www.inlex.org/stories/wells/opencons.html

The Fabian Society was founded in 1884 in London as an offshoot of a society founded in 1883 called The Fellowship of the New Life. The Fabian Society founded the London School of Economics in 1895. In 1900, the Fabian Society was one of the organizations which formed the Labour Representation Committee, which became the Labour Party in 1906. Besides H. G. Wells, Fabian Society members included, e.g., George Bernard Shaw, Annie Besant, Graham Wallas, Hubert Bland, Edith Nesbit, Sydney Olivier, Oliver Lodge, Bertrand Russell, Leonard Woolf and Virginia Woolf, Ramsay MacDonald and Emmeline Pankhurst. More recent Fabian Society members include, e.g., Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Tony Wright, Tony Crosland, Richard Titmuss, Peter Townsend, Brian Abel-Smith and Tony Benn.

For some on that, see:

"A History of the Fabian Society," Fabian Society, extracted from 100 Years of Fabian Socialism 1884-1984, with extra material by Michael Jacobs and edited by Rory Fisher. 100 Years of Fabian Socialism 1884-1984 was prepared by Deirdre Terrins and Phillip Whitehead, with contributions from Melvyn Bragg, Susan Crosland, Susan Hineley, Ian Martin, Lisanne Radice, CH Rolph and Tony Wright. http://web.archive.org/web/20030328151525/http://www.fabian-society.org.uk/About/Fabian_History.pdf

Excerpt from the above:

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By 1945 229 Labour MPs were Fabians, and the modern Society has been enriched by the work of Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Tony Wright, Tony Crosland, Richard Titmuss, Peter Townsend, Brian Abel-Smith and Tony Benn.
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The Fabian Society crest: a wolf in sheep's clothing (cf. Aesop's Fables; Matthew 7:15).


Tony Blair at the ceremony unveiling the stolen and recovered Fabian Window.


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The Fabian Window.

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Nor does it alter the fact that even when the struggle seems to be drifting definitely towards a world social democracy, there may still be very great delays and disappointments before it becomes an efficient and beneficent world system. Countless people, from maharajas to millionaires and from pukkha sahibs to pretty ladies, will hate the new world order, be rendered unhappy by frustration of their passions and ambitions through its advent and will die protesting against it. When we attempt to estimate its promise we have to bear in mind the distress of a generation or so of malcontents, many of them quite gallant and graceful-looking people.

--H. G. Wells, member of the socialist Fabian Society, in his non-fiction political book The New World Order: Whether it is Attainable, How it Can be Attained, and What Sort of World a World at Peace Will Have to Be (1940). http://truthseeker.realisticpolitics.com/books/The_New_World_Order.htm , http://www.prisonplanet.com/hg_wells_the_new_world_order.html

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We are not going to achieve a new world order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money.

--Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., assistant to President John F. Kennedy and Pulitzer Prize winner, "Back to the Womb? Isolationsm's Renewed Threat," Foreign Affairs (a Council on Foreign Relations publication), July/August 1995. http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19950701facomment5047/arthur-m-schlesinger-jr/back-to-the-womb-isolationsm-s-renewed-threat.html

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In short, the "house of world order" will have to be built from the bottom up rather than from the top down. It will look like a great "booming, buzzing confusion," to use William James' famous description of reality, but an end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece by piece, will accomplish much more than the old-fashioned frontal assault. Of course, for political as well as administrative reasons, some of these specialized arrangements should be brought into an appropriate relationship with the central institutions of the U.N. system, but the main thing is that the essential functions be performed.

--Richard N. Gardner, United States Ambassador and Professor, "The Hard Road to World Order," Foreign Affairs, April 1974. http://www.foreignaffairs.org/19740401faessay10106/richard-n-gardner/the-hard-road-to-world-order.html , http://www.thepowerhour.com/articles/HardRoadtoWorldOrder.pdf

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Sincere students and disciples must hold ever before them the idea of Service; in connection with our present theme this is political service--along the line of world planning and world government.

--Alice Bailey, leading New Age author and co-founder with her husband Foster Bailey of Lucis Trust (originally named Lucifer Publishing Company in 1920), The Externalisation of the Hierarchy (New York: Lucis Publishing Co., 1957), Section II: "The General World Picture," Subsection 1: "The Causes of the World Difficulty" http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/externalisation/exte1027.html

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Add to this the monetary ruin of the masses of the people, and you have a true and not a sensational picture of the world state. Out of this wreckage of all that man has constructed during the centuries and out of the spoliation of all existing culture and civilization, the new world order must be built. And, my brother, it will be built, and you can help prepare for this building of a more stable and beautiful way of life.

--Alice Bailey, leading New Age author and co-founder with her husband Foster Bailey of Lucis Trust (originally named Lucifer Publishing Company in 1920), The Externalisation of the Hierarchy (New York: Lucis Publishing Co., 1957), Section III: "Forces Behind the Evolutionary Progress of the Race," Subsection 3: "Practical Steps in the Reconstruction Work" http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/externalisation/exte1140.html

According to the Lucis Trust website pertaining to their World Goodwill branch
("Purposes & Objectives" http://www.lucistrust.org/en/service_activities/world_goodwill__1/purposes_objectives ):

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World Goodwill is an accredited non-governmental organisation with the Department of Public Information of the United Nations. It maintains informal relations with certain of the Specialised Agencies and with a wide range of national and international non-governmental organisations. World Goodwill is an activity of the Lucis Trust, which is on the Roster of the United Nations Economic and Social Council.
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The same webpage goes on to state:

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The Reappearance of the Christ

This is a time of preparation not only for a new civilisation and culture in a new world order, but also for the coming of a new spiritual dispensation.

Humanity is not following an uncharted course. There is a divine Plan in the Cosmos of which we are a part. At the end of an age human resources and established institutions seem inadequate to meet world needs and problems. At such a time the advent of a Teacher, a spiritual leader or Avatar, is anticipated and invoked by the masses of humanity in all parts of the world.

Today the reappearance of the World Teacher, the Christ, is expected by millions, not only by those of Christian faith but by those of every faith who expect the Avatar under other names--the Lord Maitreya, Krishna, Messiah, Imam Mahdi and the Bodhisattva. ...
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Author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001) http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2009, 05:48:35 am »
(Continued from my previous post above.)

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The following is on the coming New World Order enforced one-world religion, focusing on the Supreme Court of Israel with its occultic religious symbolism in Jerusalem, built by the Rothschilds. David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel, said that this would become "the Supreme Court of Mankind" (see farther below for that).

The below obituary by the New York Times details that Dorothy de Rothschild is responsible for the new Israeli Supreme Court building, saying "Toward the end of her life she gave Israel a new Supreme Court building."

"Dorothy de Rothschild, 93, Supporter of Israel," New York Times, December 13, 1988 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=940DE2DE153BF930A25751C1A96E948260

The elitist religious occult design of the new Israeli Supreme Court building (such as the pyramid with the All-Seeing Eye of Horus and the Egyptian-style obelisk) is an utterly contemptuous mockery of the common mass of Jews. After all, the Torah gives the account of the Exodus (Ytsiyat Mitsrayim) of the Jews out of Egypt, from whence they were slaves (which forms the basis of the Jewish holiday of Passover).

The pyramid is the ultimate symbol for total government, since the Egyptian pyramids were made to worship government-rulers as gods on Earth by untold thousands of indoctrinated serfs laboring their entire lives in total servitude to the ruler and his government. As well, the Freemasonic pyramid has the All-Seeing Eye of Horus in its capstone, which represents the surveillance and desired omniscience (including the esoteric "illuminated'" knowledge) by the government over every aspect of the masses' lives.

Thus it is quite appropriate that modern governments make such extensive use of this occult Freemasonic symbol.

Taking on the ultimate symbol of slavery (of body, mind and soul) to, and inculcated worship of, state rulers is an utterly bizarre affair for any government which maintains the slightest pretense of the country it rules over being "free."

It is sometimes claimed that the All-Seeing Eye which a number of Western governments make so much use of represents a supposed "Eye of Providence," i.e., representing a supposed figurative eye of God. This claim is usually asserted to imply that what this symbol represents is the God of Christianity and of Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) Judaism. (Hence, no need for the common folk to get upset that their governments are using such bizarre religious symbolism.) But this cannot be the case, as this symbol is typically used along with the Egyptian-style pyramid, and its synonymity with the All-Seeing Eye of Horus is sometimes made explicit. Yet the ancient Jews were so repulsed by the Egyptian pyramids and what they represent that they didn't even deign to mention them once in the Hebrew Bible (i.e., the Old Testament). Indeed, neither are the pyramids mentioned in the New Testament.

"Tour of the Supreme court," The State of Israel, The Judicial Authority http://elyon1.court.gov.il/eng/siyur/index.html





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The new Israeli Supreme Court building in Jerusalem. Notice the pyramid with the All-Seeing Eye of Horus.


Scale model of the new Israeli Supreme Court building in Jerusalem.



A view of the pyramid with the All Seeing Eye of Horus from a window inside of the new Israeli Supreme Court building.

Notice also the larger open circle in the foreground of the top picture. The stairs are part of an upside-down cross designed to be trampled under foot:


Inverted cross designed to be walked on.

Just out of view of the top picture to the right is an Egyptian-style obelisk:


Egyptian-style obelisk, i.e., the Phallus of Osiris.


Rothschild dedication stone pointing to the garden that displays the Egyptian-style obelisk.


Another dedication stone with the All-Seeing Eye.


After passing through security the first thing you will notice on the left wall is a large painting. From the left you will see Teddy Kollek, then Lord Rothschild, on the right standing you will see Shimon Peres, and setting at the bottom left Yitzhak Rabin. Notice inside the break-away model is the pyramid with the All-Seeing Eye of Horus.

The below work is by a religious Jew, Hannah Newman. In it she documents the occultic oligarchy's plan for the New World Order of the New Age: i.e., a a totalitarian one-world government, an enforced one-world religion, and massive enforced population reduction (i.e., mass-murder of most of the world's population).

"The Rainbow Swastika: A Report to the Jewish People about New Age Antisemitism," Hannah Newman, Philologos, April 15, 2001 http://philologos.org/__eb-trs/default.htm
http://www.lermanet.com/rainbow-swaztika/default.htm

Fore more on this matter concerning the new Israeli Supreme Court building, and why all this is happening, see the below article by a Jewish Christian:

"The Roots of Evil in Jerusalem," Jerry Golden, November 16, 2003 http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817
http://web.archive.org/web/20031202145204/http://thegoldenreport.com/articles.asp?id=00180
http://www.rense.com/general44/gikdeb.htm


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From "David Ben-Gurion," Look (published by Cowles Magazines), January 16, 1962 (here is a different image of the same publication page: http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/bengur62.jpg ).

David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel, was invited in 1962 by Look magazine to predict what the world would be like in 25 years' time. He wrote:

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The image of the world in 1987 as traced in my imagination: the Cold War will be a thing of the past. Internal pressure of the constantly growing intelligensia in Russia for more freedom and the pressure of the masses for raising their living standards may lead to a gradual democratization of the Soviet Union. On the other hand, the increasing influence of the workers and farmers, and rising political importance of men of science, may transform the United States into a welfare state with a planned economy. Western and Eastern Europe will become a federation of autonomous states having a Socialist and democratic regime. With the exception of the USSR as a federated Eurasian state, all other continents will become united in a world alliance, at whose disposal will be an international police force. All armies will be abolished, and there will be no more wars. In Jerusalem, the United Nations (a truly United Nations) will build a shrine of the Prophets to serve the federated union of all continents; this will be the scene of the Supreme Court of Mankind, to settle all controversies among the federated continents, as prophesied by Isaiah. Higher education will be the right of every person in the world. A pill to prevent pregnanacy will slow down the explosive natural increase in China and India. And by 1987, the average life-span of man will reach 100 years.
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Ben-Gurion in the above falsely cites Isaiah's End Times prophesies. What Isaiah actually prophesied (as with a number of other Old Testament prophets, along with the New Testament) was that all the rulers on the Earth would be deposed and punished by God during the End Times (see Isaiah 24:21,22).

There is much more to be said about these matters. For some of that, see my below posts. My first post below provides information on the Freemasonic/Kabbalistic/Babylonian/Egyptian mystery religion that the globalist oligarchy practice, provided in large part in the form of quotes of leading Freemasonic and New Age authorities, and in the form of images of the religious occult iconography used by governments. My second post is more recent and contains information on the methodologies of power of the parasitical ruling elite, as well as to links much documentation on various aspects of said ruling clique, such as on the Bilderberg group, the Brotherhood of Death (i.e., the Order of Skull and Bones at Yale), and the Bohemian Club's activities at Bohemian Grove--including the ruling class's predilection for murderously violent sexual activities with young children, for ritualistic, sadistic, and blackmail purposes.

"Re:National Geographic kicks creationist asses," Tetrahedron Omega, Reply #40 on: November 05, 2004, 01:31:40 PM http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=3;action=display;threadid=11993;start=40

"M.A.C.: Mutually-Assured Corruption," Sir Nigel Edmond III, on: December 31, 2008, 10:56:20 AM http://anti-state.com/forum/index.php?board=2;action=display;threadid=21712

And of course, see my below article, which is very relevant to the above matters and details the End Times one-world government deception:

James Redford, "Jesus Is an Anarchist," Social Science Research Network (SSRN), October 17, 2009 (originally published December 19, 2001) http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761 , http://theophysics.chimehost.net/anarchist-jesus.pdf

Lastly, for the physics of God, see:

"God Proven to Exist According to Mainline Physics," TetrahedronOmega, December 26, 2008 http://www.armleg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=122&mforum=libertyandtruth

Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist http://theophysics.chimehost.net , http://theophysics.110mb.com
Author of "Jesus Is an Anarchist", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Dec. 4, 2011 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2001) http://ssrn.com/abstract=1337761

Theophysics (a website with information on Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point Theory) http://theophysics.host56.com http://theophysics.ifastnet.com

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2009, 07:00:04 am »
It is a far worse thing to quash criticism than address the points being criticized. In that respect, it shouldn't matter how long someone has been a member. Threatening people with a ban for stating an opinion or questioning is the pinnacle of ignorance. May as well just add a checkbox to the sign up page saying "You agree to agree with everything on this board without question, failure to do so may result in an immediate ban". ::)



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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 07:29:32 am »
James, thanks for putting that together. Simply incredible the volumes of information that continue to be covered up via narratives/psyops/disinfo campaigns by Tavistock/MSM/CFR/Rockefeller Foundation/Bilderberg/Club of Rome/Royal Societies.

Your posts continue to shatter the matrix of lies.

I guess CLIVE STAPLES LEWIS was right:



Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 07:30:22 am »
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2). In Fall of The Republic: Part I, one of the "experts" testifying about the NWO throws around the term Hegelian Dialectic. Now this is I think the most egregious error made in the entire series of movies this site has put out.  It's wrong for the very same reasons the comments on Fabianism are: it betrays the person speaking has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. This one is a real shame, because he is so close to a very important point but misses it. Hegel and his ideas, especially his method of attaining truth, have been incredibly influential. Especially among the people you guys claim are out to get you. I won't even attempt to explain this here, but for anyone interested the book Hegel: The Essential Writings edited by Frederick G. Weiss is a very nice introduction to his ideas. It includes prefaces and annotations to help explain some especially difficult parts.

Hegel and his ideas can also be used to shape 'truth' which is how we tend to use the phrase.

Problem+Reaction=Solution.

Terrorism+Fear=Police State

The Lincoln quote, really does it matter if he said it or not, its true ???





 

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2009, 07:42:32 am »
James, thanks for putting that together. Simply incredible the volumes of information that continue to be covered up via narratives/psyops/disinfo campaigns by Tavistock/MSM/CFR/Rockefeller Foundation/Bilderberg/Club of Rome/Royal Societies.

Your posts continue to shatter the matrix of lies.

I guess CLIVE STAPLES LEWIS was right:



Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
Thank you for your compliment, Sane. Although C. S. Lewis's quote isn't really applicable to the information I present. Marx's Communism and Fabian Socialism were designed from the start to enslave mankind and to empower the oligarchy.
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2009, 08:06:11 am »
The Lincoln quote, really does it matter if he said it or not, its true ???

Please tell me you're kidding ... you ARE kidding, right? :'(

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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2009, 08:57:37 am »
Thank you for your compliment, Sane. Although C. S. Lewis's quote isn't really applicable to the information I present. Marx's Communism and Fabian Socialism were designed from the start to enslave mankind and to empower the oligarchy.

My use of the quote is to expose the EU/Fabian/Club of Rome psychopaths, because they supposedly are doing the doing the person good, are immune to the usual moral dilemma inherent in the single greed driven mobster.  The Fabian society IMO used the idea that they are actually helping us by torturing, raping, mind controlling, and killing us whereas the Conquistador knows he is a thug trampling on humanity and at some point may find satiation in his conquest and may even be remourseful about it (See the movie THE MISSION). The Fabian elite sleep perfectly as they are giving us "tough love" and re-educating us to be at a higher level of sublime knowledge. It amounts to ridding the witch of demons by burning her at the stake, or releasing thetans by group stalking and psychologically demeaning and emotionally torturing a fellow scientologist. Of course even one of the greatest Fabians was remourseful at the insanity he finally saw the FS's place within the pyramid of demonic and satanic pagan worship known as the NEW WORLD ORDER...

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Re: In defense of the Fabian (Wolf in sheep's clothing) Society?
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2009, 09:15:35 am »
Hello, I'm currently new to the forum and while researching the case put forward here I've come across a few errors that I would like to point out and perhaps have clarified.

1). In Alex Jones' Endgame: Blueprint for Global Enslavement, Alex mentions in passing the Fabian bloc in reference to the allied powers in world war II. This error is subtle, and like most of the ones I have discovered isn't so much a complete fabrication but just an ignorant statement stemming from a lack of understanding. First I need to define socialism: socialism is a system in which capital is allocated towards where it can do the most social good, as opposed to where it can provide the highest return on invested capital (profit) in a capitalist system. Many different cultures and political interests have been socialist. Where many disagree, is how best to implement a functioning socialist system. Marxism, in broad terms, advocated the implementation of this system through violent overthrow of the existing property owning class. The first country to attempt to do this on a large scale was Russia in the beginning of the 20th century. Fabian socialism is an idea first put forward to the public through a group known as the Fabian Society. This group was made up of influential intellectuals in the United Kingdom. While their goal was equivalent to that of Marxism's, they disagreed that violent overthrow of the existing institutional power was the most appropriate way to achieve this goal. They advocated attaining their ends through the process of incremental change. Their argument being that no single maneuver would be enough to provoke any serious resistance. They were (and still are) a very influential group, and many of their ideas have been enacted both in the United Kingdom and the United States. Public healthcare, income taxation, public schooling, degradation of the institution of marriage, and lessening the power of the family are all ideas they deserve credit for. After reading this, you can see that while what Alex Jones says in the movie isn't necessarily wrong completely wrong, but it is a childish oversimplification that shows complete ignorance of the very things he claims to be "expanding your consciousness" about.

2). In Fall of The Republic: Part I, one of the "experts" testifying about the NWO throws around the term Hegelian Dialectic. Now this is I think the most egregious error made in the entire series of movies this site has put out.  It's wrong for the very same reasons the comments on Fabianism are: it betrays the person speaking has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. This one is a real shame, because he is so close to a very important point but misses it. Hegel and his ideas, especially his method of attaining truth, have been incredibly influential. Especially among the people you guys claim are out to get you. I won't even attempt to explain this here, but for anyone interested the book Hegel: The Essential Writings edited by Frederick G. Weiss is a very nice introduction to his ideas. It includes prefaces and annotations to help explain some especially difficult parts.

3). In Fall of The Republic: Part I, the following quote is attributed to Abraham Lincoln: "I have the Confederacy before me and the bankers behind me, and for America I fear the bankers most." In this case, I'm not exactly sure this is an error. When I heard the quote, I thought it was so damning that I decided to do some research into the context. I have been unable to find a single reliable source that cites where this quote came from and when it was spoken. If anyone here can help me with that, I would really appreciate it.

These three are the errors I discovered during my first viewing of these two movies, I will continue to point out anymore I find. To conclude this post, I would like to make a few points. The fact that these errors would made is a sad commentary not only on Alex Jones and his group of "experts", but also the people watching this. Many times in these movies and on the radio show, there are some really interesting points made but they quickly devolve into paranoid ignorant rants. The cause of this is simple: You guys want all the benefits of being an enlightened individual who really knows what is going on, but you refuse to do the requisite work to make this happen. The Fabian Society has published dozens of articles a year since its inception, and many of the ideas you act like are big secrets are openly expressed. You would be much better served by doing your own research and not trusting everything the men who run this website tell you. Hegel is another person who's ideas were massively influential by themselves, but perhaps more so indirectly. The two "Hegelians" most of this website seems to despise are Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. You would know all these things for yourself, if you would simply read Hegel. You wouldn't need some clearly misinformed "expert" telling you about the Dialectal method of argumentation. Now while I've stated that becoming a truly enlightened and independent thinker is simple, it is far from easy. Hegel is one of the toughest philosophers to understand that I've ever come across, and it is often frustrating. The reward however, is a freedom from letting other people tell you how to think. Many of you seem to have realized that you shouldn't allow your minds to be controlled by the media and government, but haven't yet applied that logic to this very forum. This isn't to say this forum is a bad thing, but isn't allowing your opinions to be formed by only hearing one side what many of us are trying to avoid?


P.S. I want to attempt to head off a few ad hominem attacks preemptively. I have spent a significant chunk of time documenting these errors and attempting to bring them to light. I would appreciate some well thought out responses, and if you're tempted to post something along the lines of an accusation that I'm working for "them" please don't bother. I also want to make it known that I don't think I have all the answers, and I wouldn't dare declare myself an enlightened individual by any means. I simply see it as an admirable goal, and I think a lot of people here do too.

Suggested Reading (relevant to things discussed in post):

Hegel: The Essential Writings
Basic Writings of Neitchze
The Time Machine
Clockwork Orange
Anything by George Bernard Shaw
A Brave New World


Hello, I am currently new to your style of criticism and while researching your post here, I have come across a plethora of innuendo, ninny nannying, and generic nonsense that I feel is really unworthy to point out. But what the hell...

Thanks for seeing the films and in the future instead of some long soliloquy about how these unsubstantiated, miniscule, and highly overdramatised sensationalistic vomiting.

As far as I can see other than your undying love for bipolar madmen who use grandiose ideas of a dystopian world based on deceit, torture, enslavement, and mind f**king and a reference to one of over 1,000 quotes in AJ's movies you offer little substance to your outlandish conspiracy theories that everyone interested in truth somehow discredits themselves because they do not follow your anally archaic rules of film making.

By the way, your only other post is definitely worthy of a "Whatcha talkin bout Willis?" conversation:

   Is this it? This is thus far my best attempt at communicating the question that has plagued me the last few years. This essay is meant for those who have looked around them and thought to themselves that it’s all so surreal. That this must not be the way it’s supposed to be. The incredible miracle of humanity surely cannot reach its apex in a world such as ours. When is the last time you cried, or loved, or felt anything? When is the last time an experience was so visceral and immersive that it was able to break through all the cynicism, sadness, and other defenses we require in this day and age? Those moments in which all our pretensions and prejudices melt away are what make life worth living. Those days in which we wake and feel an overwhelming love for the universe are what we know in our hearts to be truly living. A malaise has gripped humanity; the causes and solutions are both unknown to me. We have gone completely mad. Young men and women are now cynical and dismissive of things they have never felt or experienced. They are taught that the world in which they live is false. They are taught to distrust their feelings and emotions and to instead place their faith in arbitrary formal systems that serve to do nothing but warp the minds and souls of the unlucky few to receive a proper education. By now the more pessimistic among you may have already dismissed what I am saying as simply the naïve ramblings of a frustrated member of the bourgeoisie. What do you know? You will torture yourselves by creating more and more sophisticated ways of hiding the truth from yourselves. We need to start loving each other again. Love will overcome all the negativity, suffering, and mistreatment we all witness every day. It doesn’t have to be like this. Just because it has been this way for as long as we can remember doesn’t mean we have to accept it as a universal truth. I have an irrepressible to communicate with my fellow man, and I hope by reading this you were able to feel something. I’m not trying to target 18-35 year old males, or persuade the soccer moms of the veracity of my claims. I’m trying to talk to another human being. Are there any out there? I hope so, and I would love to hear what you have to say.
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Re: In defense of the Fabian (Wolf in sheep's clothing) Society?
« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2009, 11:12:06 am »
about that quote it's documented last page of a Rolling Stone article by Robert F. Kennedy

"America's most visionary leaders have long warned against allowing corporate power to dominate the political landscape. In 1863, in the depths of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln lamented, "I have the Confederacy before me and the bankers behind me, and I fear the bankers most." Franklin Roosevelt echoed that sentiment when he warned that "the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group or by any controlling power.""

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/5939345/crimes_against_nature/9

but what's his source? ???
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2009, 11:21:37 am »
Many quotes from Lincoln including his most famous "corporations enthroned" letter excerpt inscribed upon the foremost wall of the Lincoln Memorial itself have been maliciously attacked by the noble elite classes (who most likely had him shot) but nonetheless ring true and are indisputably a matter of history or otherwise obviously revisionist anti-history.

The one you cite is very very obscure and would certainly further support the aforementioned which of late has taken quite a beating under the infamous rise of Bush/Reagan Tory neo-republicanist junta in that white-Washing-land on the Potomac.

 As to the Hegelian Dialectic, Hegel didn't invent it, it had been in practice and in use for an eternity before he ever described it. His description of this phenomenon is however and shall always remain true. What it describes is basically the "unscientific method" of arriving at a desired result in logic by only arguing tainted sub-postulations.

Unlike the perfect Scientific Method of attaining truth the Hegelian method is a corrupt false-argumentative short-circuit pre-designed to thus always only obtain a desired outcome.

In the false Hegelian method, one postulates the hypothetical conclusion and then formulates an extreme thesis and an extreme antithesis which then alone can be methodically argued, so as to by their synthesis alone, always be muddied together by compromises to arrive at(or near) the aforesaid now-neutral seeming "middle of the road" hypothetical outcome you started with.

In the true Scientific method one postulates an experimental hypothesis, acquires an apparatus needed to test that hypothesis, specifies a method of testing the hypothesis with the apparatus, conducts the method and makes ones observations, then arrives at the hypothetical conclusions (including gained insights into the apparatus and methods) and based upon the outcome, judge the hypothesis to be always false, more-foul, always true or more-fair.

Regarding "socialism" man is a social creature evolved from primitive tribal mafia warlord-socialism. Anything that ends in -ism is including democratic-socialism (democratism)

Imperial Privatism is the noble racist eugenic tribal mafia cabal socialism where everything is owned by the warlord and his descendants and noble-socialist (monarchist) assigns in a single monopolist corporation to which all are subjugated feudal slaves. It operates under the immoral and ever-changing rule of eternal lawlessness for ever changing benefit of the few.

Imperial Socialism is the predominance of any group or group of special interest democratist groups who presume themselves to own everything for them and their assigns in a single or multiple array of corporations to which all are subjugated as supposedly democratic slaves. It operates under a pseudo moralistic (fascist) ever changing rule of ever changing lawlessness for ever changing benefit of the most established special interest groups

Republican Liberalism is  individual and entrepreneurial freedom in cooperative association were strictly limited governance only controls the basis of limited considerate and well regulated ownership where all are associated in freedom under the truly moral and never changing rules of immutable individual rights and freedoms and the only marginally if-ever-changing rule of fair law for all.

A board of governors or a board of directors or a synod or a union hall are all socialism. Most all governance is always socialism to some extent! Whenever one's neighbors combine to, by mere decision of majority, circumscribe how high your grass can be, or how much tax-tribute you must pay them that is "socialism".



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Re: In defense of the Fabian (Wolf in sheep's clothing) Society?
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2009, 12:02:39 pm »

What the-- that's just FREAKY!!
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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2009, 12:28:54 pm »
Pygmalion:

You do know this guy championed gas chambers in the 1910s for the unfit, right? If you want someone to blame for the Holocaust, you can start at this guy right here. He also said something equal to: "Justify your existence in front of us, society and the Fabians".

And please do not even feign ignorance here, because I can pull up for you quote after quote where he champions the development of gas chambers for 'humane killing' of the 'unfit'.

These are your champions? Genocidal pieces of shit worse than Hitler that think they're better than anyone else? I think you're stuck in another paradigm - the socialist paradigm, that is. You seem to be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome in that you seem to think that the Fabian Society are out to 'further' society - as if some cabal consisting of British Lords and British playwrights really give a shit whether your standard of living improves.

If you haven't noticed by now, all those 'perks' are starting to disappear. I hope you enjoy the constant 24/7 CCTV monitoring and the total microchipped society they plan to roll out. That, too, will be part of those lovely 'Fabian' blokes you love to write so waxingly about. Your complacent and liberal do-gooder atittude is also part of the lovely 'Fabian Society' - they'vre bred it into your mother, your father, and by extension into you. In Darwinian evolutionary thinking, you've become the domesticated pet - while the elite remain a master race that must remain wild. You're the prey, and they're the hunters. In Bertrand Russell's own words, the idea of plebs like you instigating a revolt would be as unthinkable as sheep plotting an insurrection against the practice of eating mutton.

I think you're not even aware George Orwell wrote his novel 'Nineteen Eighty Four' as a criticism/satire of the Fabian Society. In short, I think you've swallowed an awful lot of the 'socialist' nonsense coming out of the Fabian school. It's not that you have really pointed out 'flaws' or 'errors' - it's more that your ideology is conflicting with the views presented.

I think you mean 'Nietzsche'. Well, there you have your proto-Nazi right there. Once again, these are your champions? Really? I feel pity for you if that is the case. You can find a hell of a lot better cheerleaders out there if you really want to find 'champions of the people'. Nietzsche and George Bernard Shaw sure as hell ain't it.

I think you learned this entire worldview from some government-run college. I don't even think you know what it is all about really apart from what academia told you.


This is exactly what I'm talking about. These people are extremely influential. Whether or not you or I agree with any of their ideas is completely irrelevant. While I do enjoy the writing of some of these people, I'm not "cheerleading" them. Broaden your horizons instead of staying in this echo chamber.

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Re: Errors I've found in Infowars movies
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2009, 12:37:36 pm »

This is exactly what I'm talking about. These people are extremely influential. Whether or not you or I agree with any of their ideas is completely irrelevant. While I do enjoy the writing of some of these people, I'm not "cheerleading" them. Broaden your horizons instead of staying in this echo chamber.

LOL - why don't you broaden your horizons about your little fellow George Bernard Shaw - the guy who championed lethal chambers and paved the way for Hitler's Holocaust? Influential or not (who 'decided' they were influential to begin with? Ever thought of that, Mr. Intellectual?) - they are pieces of shit all the same. I do my own 'thinking' - thank you very much - and I will define my own horizons, thank you very much. I don't need bullshit academia to decide how wide-ranging my horizons are. Maybe you do - but that's your own problem.

Seriously, are you on drugs? Or is there some mental disfunction that can be attributed to your barely coherent messages? It's not that you have trouble grasping the language - it's that there's no 'message' to be detected in any of your ramblings. It's devoid of any meaning, context or relevance.
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Re: In defense of the Fabian (Wolf in sheep's clothing) Society?
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2009, 12:41:16 pm »
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Influential or not (who 'decided' they were influential to begin with? Ever thought of that, Mr. Intellectual?) - they are pieces of shit all the same. I do my own 'thinking' - thank you very much - and I will define my own horizons, thank you very much. I don't need bullshit academia to decide how wide-ranging my horizons are.
Agreed.
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Re: In defense of the Fabian (Wolf in sheep's clothing) Society?
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2009, 12:52:07 pm »
So Pygmalian, you are new to this forum but you still feel justified in saying Alex Jones is wrong and you are right, on the subjects of the Fabian Society and the philosopher Hegel!
I would like to point out to you that this is a forum for ordinary people from all walks of life, all over the world. Many who do not even use English as their first language.
Alex Jones and his guests try to put information across in plain English so that all people, the average people can understand the points they make. Most of us think Alex and his team do an excellent job, and we appreciate that.
If we wanted to go on a philosophy site and study Hegel we would - we don't!
However, we do all need to know how Hegel's ideas and principles are being used against us, and how they are damaging us.
Alex is not claiming to be a philosophy professor, he is SIMPLY trying to point out how we have reached the rotten state we are in, in this world - in order to help us try and improve things.  We do not have time to study Hegel's complicated philosophy. And if Hegel's philosophy is so damn complicated that it makes no sense - then it is probably NO N SENSE. (get it?)
We cannot dismiss him though, and remain ignorant because his work is influencing very bad people in very bad ways - that is the bit we DO need to be aware of.
The fact that 2 wicked people like Marx and Engels latched onto it and exploited it so well says it all really. His philosophy suited their sick minds and evil intentions perfectly, didn't it? - I mean they didn't latch onto Jesus and his sweet peace and goodwill to all mankind philosophy and exploit that for their own ends - did they?!
When it comes to Hegel, I don't think I will be studying your booklist. 
I think these 2 wonderful ladies have done all the hard spade work around Hegel for us really and I heartily recommend this site and these books:-

http://nord.twu.net/acl/manifesto.html

As for the Fabians, until I started visiting PrisonPlanet I, like most people, thought the Fabian Society was just a posh London drinking club for arrogant, toffy-nosed, upper-class, champagne socialists - ooops -  that's what it is! 
Seriously, I suggest you, and everyone, get your hungry braincells stuck into Communitarianism, Amitai Etzioni, Henry Tam, Brian Gerrish and the one and only, heaven-sent, all-American angel, Niki Raapana. She is a national treasure, truly worth her weight in pure gold,

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImVecW848Q4

http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com

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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2009, 12:52:51 pm »
LOL - why don't you broaden your horizons about your little fellow George Bernard Shaw - the guy who championed lethal chambers and paved the way for Hitler's Holocaust? Influential or not (who 'decided' they were influential to begin with? Ever thought of that, Mr. Intellectual?) - they are pieces of shit all the same. I do my own 'thinking' - thank you very much - and I will define my own horizons, thank you very much. I don't need bullshit academia to decide how wide-ranging my horizons are. Maybe you do - but that's your own problem.

Seriously, are you on drugs? Or is there some mental disfunction that can be attributed to your barely coherent messages? It's not that you have trouble grasping the language - it's that there's no 'message' to be detected in any of your ramblings. It's devoid of any meaning, context or relevance.

+1

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Re: In defense of the Fabian (Wolf in sheep's clothing) Society?
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2009, 05:27:11 pm »
     In my opinion you are missing the entire point of what Alex is trying to do/ the message he is putting forth in video's and books. Alex just wants you to wake up, to stand up for your rights, and to think for yourself instead of letting a gaggle of bureaucrats and talking heads on the media inject their propaganda into your mind. I feel you are making an aggrieves mistake when you nitpick small innocuous things, instead of nitpicking and feeling all bright and good about yourself. Why not make your own videos and wake people up, or write a productive article, or go to town hall meeting and bring up issues like fluoridation of the public water supply and why it is necessary or an issue that you find particularly interesting/repulsive. There is a million different issues you could pick to fight, just pick something that you personally feel is wrong and start trying to make a difference, join a group of like minded people, start a website, do something!
     
     Why nit pick what Alex is doing, I mean I think we can all agree Alex's heart is in the right place, however he does have his flaws, as we all do, but at least he tries to do the best he can with what he knows and has. We should all learn from Alex's example of what one person can do if they are convicted and committed to what they are doing. Alex is a great man who hasn't sold himself and his soul out, for money, or power, even though he could have if he had wished to do so, Alex is taking a big risk in what he is doing, he has everything to lose, but he also has much to gain, look already at the effect Alex has had on waking people up to the corruption, and true agenda of our governments in North America, and Western Europe. He is doing amazing work, and I feel it is unjust to take a cheap shot at him on a forum, Alex isn't ignorant, but I feel your objective thinking is, obviously you're making an attempt to take a shot at Alex, I personally say, get a life and stand up for your country, go do something about the salvo of nightmare legislation and the insidious, odious, talking heads like Al Gore, Rom Emanuel, Kissinger, etc etc. The list goes on and on, all these people knowingly and boldly lie about things, they know the truth, but they also know the have an agenda to serve, and so they will never stop their lying, so we have to call them out for what they are and try to expose their lies and their true intentions to the public, it is our duty as awake human beings to try and wake up others who are living in ignorance, otherwise we are just as bad as the globalists... we need to start caring about one another, and holding love in our hearts and minds and reaching out to each other, we must stop dividing ourselves by race, religion, philosophical standpoints etc... we can not let them divide and conquer us. We are all human beings, given sentient existence by God, let us unite! So we can defeat this mechanized force of evil before it consumes humanity. 

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Re: In defense of the Fabian (Wolf in sheep's clothing) Society?
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2009, 08:26:36 am »
I have found this very interesting;

www.johnmacarthurexposed.blogspot.com
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