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Some people still don't believe chemtrails are real... Read wikipedia and realize otherwise (en.wikipedia.org)

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[–]Mikey_MiG 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I hope you're just being deliberately dense and not just stupid.

In the English language, we have a little thing called connotation. So when people are poking fun at chemtrails, they are talking about this, not fucking cloud seeding. Yes, if you want to be a semantic bastard, cloud seeding is technically "trails of chemicals", but that isn't what conspiratards are talking about when they see airliner contrails and claim it's government mind control drugs.

[–]LittleHelperRobot 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Non-mobile: this

That's why I'm here, I don't judge you. PM /u/xl0 if I'm causing any trouble. WUT?

[–]magnora7[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Semantics aside, the point is there are aircraft that fly overhead and spray chemicals to induce rain. Sometimes people can see these trails of chemicals, and there is a not insignificant possibility that it might have negative health effects.

[–]Mikey_MiG 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Semantics aside, the point is there are aircraft that fly overhead and spray chemicals to induce rain.

So what? Literally nobody is denying that. People were just making fun of chemtrail conspiracies, because chemtrails and cloud seeding have entirely different connotative differences that you seem to be intentionally ignoring.

and there is a not insignificant possibility that it might have negative health effects.

Only in instances of extreme exposure to the chemicals, which doesn't happen in cloud seeding.

[–]King-Hell 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are deliberately muddying the water. If you can't understand the difference between cloud seeding ( a real thing) and so-called 'Chemtrails' (a paranoid fantasy) then just shut the fuck up. They are NOT even similar. Cloud seeders fly small and medium sized aircraft darting in and out of rain clouds to make them start to precipitate. They spray substances like builders cement to nucleate rain drops. And unless your name is Jimmy Hoffer, cement is pretty harmless.

[–]magnora7[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is also a fascinating article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratospheric_sulfate_aerosols_(geoengineering)

'According to estimates by the Council on Foreign Relations, "one kilogram of well placed sulfur in the stratosphere would roughly offset the warming effect of several hundred thousand kilograms of carbon dioxide."'

Also, look at that insane list of side-effects!

[–]magnora7[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Did you know that...

"Cloud seeding is no longer considered a fringe science, and is considered a mainstream tool to improve rain precipitation and snow."

"The most common chemicals used for cloud seeding include silver iodide, potassium iodide and dry ice (solid carbon dioxide). [...] Introduction of a substance such as silver iodide, which has a crystalline structure similar to that of ice, will induce freezing nucleation."

"With an NFPA 704 health hazard rating of 2, silver iodide can cause temporary incapacitation or possible residual injury to humans and mammals with intense or continued but not chronic exposure"

"About 24 countries currently practice weather modification operationally"

"In the United States, cloud seeding is used to increase precipitation in areas experiencing drought, to reduce the size of hailstones that form in thunderstorms, and to reduce the amount of fog in and around airports."

"A number of commercial companies offer weather modification services centered on cloud seeding."

"The U.S. signed an international treaty in 1978 banning the use of weather modification for hostile purposes."

(quotes taken from the wiki article)

[–]BelfreyE 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Yes, cloud seeding is real. But cloud seeding isn't "chemtrails." As explained in that Wikipedia article, it involves the release of materials into clouds to induce or enhance precipitation. It doesn't involve the creation of cloud trails across open skies.

[–]magnora7[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Cloud seeing is a type of chemtrails. It's the release of chemicals by an airplane, to form clouds. It certainly involves the creation of cloud trails across open skies, in fact that is clearly stated to be the entire purpose.

edit: The votes just completely changed in a 5 minute span. It was BelfreyE at -1 and then this post at +4. Now he's at +3 and I'm at +1. Vote manipulation galore, so obvious.

[–]BelfreyE 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (4子コメント)

No, cloud seeding doesn't create clouds in clear skies. I challenge you to find any real evidence for that claim - it's not stated on that Wiki page, which explains that it involves the release of materials into existing clouds.

[–]magnora7[S] -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

They release cloud condensation nuclei, which are designed to cause rain from existing clouds, but also to strengthen and form new ones.

They also do cloud seeding to change the brightness of clouds, to increase reflectivity to reduce climate change effects: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_reflectivity_modification

Now, whether or not clouds are formed from 100% clear skies or mostly clear skies is rather beside the point. I don't know with absolute certainty. The point is that these chemicals are being sprayed in to the sky with increasing regularity, and it seems very likely that there will be adverse effects.

[–]BelfreyE 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They release cloud condensation nuclei, which are designed to cause rain from existing clouds, but also to strengthen and form new ones.

Repeating a claim does not constitute evidence for that claim. Again, look for any evidence that cloud seeding creates clouds.

They also do cloud seeding to change the brightness of clouds, to increase reflectivity to reduce climate change effects: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_reflectivity_modification

That page indicates proposed, hypothetical methods that involve spraying sea water into low-level, marine layer clouds.

The point is that these chemicals are being sprayed in to the sky with increasing regularity, and it seems very likely that there will be adverse effects.

The practice of cloud seeding hasn't seen much of an increase in the United States, where it is currently done only 11 states, all of them west of the Mississippi River.

[–]magnora7[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So by definition if you give water a place to condensate in the atmosphere, it forms a cloud which then forms precipitation. That's just logic. Therefore cloud nuclei form clouds because they cause water to condense to form vapor, which is what a cloud is.

The practice of cloud seeding hasn't seen much of an increase in the United States, where it is currently done only 11 states, all of them west of the Mississippi River.

Source?

[–]BelfreyE 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

So by definition if you give water a place to condensate in the atmosphere, it forms a cloud which then forms precipitation. That's just logic. Therefore cloud nuclei form clouds because they cause water to condense to form vapor, which is what a cloud is.

Water vapor is the gas phase of H2O, which is invisible. A cloud consists of water droplets and/or ice crystals (liquid and solid phase). If you release nuclei into air that is below saturation, nothing will happen. Intentional cloud seeding (again, as explained in your originally-posted Wiki article) involves releasing condensation nuclei into existing clouds. As stated by one of the cloud seeding companies (WMI, Inc.), "Contrails are normally observed on otherwise clear days, when cloud seeding would not be conducted. The cloud seeding nuclei from ground or airborne sources do not produce such visible clouds."

Source?

See https://www2.ucar.edu/news/weather-modification-multimedia-gallery, second map down. Also, see the North American Weather Modification Council's map, which puts the current total at 9 western states (excluding Oklahoma's program which is currently suspended, and New Mexico, which is only affected near the border by the SOAR program in Texas).

[–]magnora7[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Might as well have titled this post "an experiment in vote manipulation" with the way I've been seeing the votes fluctuate on this post and the comments, Jesus Christ. Apparently there's a team on watch for this keyword of 'chemtrails'. This post will probably never get beyond +2, they will see to that, even if it makes the upvote percentage unreasonably low, that's my guess. I hit this same kind of resistance when I posted about Monsanto and RoundUp. This is one way information gets censored on reddit.

[–]BigJimMcBastard 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Jesus Christ. Apparently there's a team on watch for this keyword of 'chemtrails'

Yes, you are that special. In fact, Obama himself sent me here to downvote everything you say.

[–]magnora7[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It's not about me, it's about censoring certain material, certain types of information. It has absolutely nothing to do with me personally.

[–]burningempires 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Couldn't possibly be because your post is hugely fallacious nonsense.

[–]BigJimMcBastard 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sure thing, chuckles. It's not like you're having a huge hissy fit about getting downvoted.

[–]magnora7[S] -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Already people in here muddying the waters of the discussion and downvoting a bunch... can't say I'm surprised, given the topic. Oh well. The rest of us can try and have a discussion anyway.

edit: 53% upvoted. It's shill city in here. The content of this post does not deserve such a large number of downvotes.