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[–]derpbynature 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (63子コメント)

Dear taxpaying American,

We will happily remove you from our rolls; however, you will no longer be entitled to the several benefits tax revenue provides you, such as interstate highways, the strongest military in the world, a variety of welfare programs, U.S. consular help when traveling abroad, a relatively affordable postal service and so on.

After visiting your nearest U.S. embassy abroad, please obtain proof you have renounced your citizenship and submit it to us.

Please note you may be subject to five to ten more years of continued taxation if you are suspected of renouncing your citizenship to avoid U.S. taxes.

Sincerely,

IRS

[–]strapt313 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (62子コメント)

As long as I don't have to pay for drone bombs and secret wars, sign me up.

[–]Soltheron -7 ポイント-6 ポイント  (61子コメント)

The choice is yours to go live in the woods somewhere. Don't come crawling back in for any trades safeguarded by the nation, however: you either stay there completely or pay your share.

[–]LC_Music 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Hmm. So freedom costs money. Yep, typical republican/democrat response from statist trash.

Well, us sane people will be over here supporting the idea that freedom should be universal, regardless of one's ability (or inability) to pay. You can join us if you want,.

[–]Soltheron -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (12子コメント)

statist

I love this slur because it's up there with the "evolutionist" from creationists. It's on about the same level of regurgitated drivel from extremist ideologues.

Also, I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican, so you're 0 for 2.

You, on the other hand...I would bet good money on you being a clueless libertarian.

[–]LC_Music -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (9子コメント)

You support tithe to the state, therefore a statist.

Way to address everything else I said, btw. Really showed that you aren't a purely hateful and disgusting human being.

[–]Soltheron -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Says the idiot who thinks charity, which is already failing horribly at fixing problems, would magically guarantee that people didn't die in the streets.

No, I think the disgusting human being is the one who thinks he should get to be a parasite on society and who puts ideology over reality.

[–]LC_Music 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Says the idiot who thinks charity, which is already failing horribly at fixing problems, would magically guarantee that people didn't die in the streets.

Firstly, what are you even talking about?

Secondly, I think someone who thinks taxation will guarantee people didn't die in the streets when it fact it has literally been show to kill people in the streets, is not only stupid, but borderline retarded.

No, I think the disgusting human being is the one who thinks he should get to be a parasite on society and who puts ideology over reality.

No parasitism here, I just think that the government should earn it's money just like everyone else in the country has to. If the government wants my money, it's gonna have to start participating in civilized society. Tax dollars, in theory, are supposed to be towards maintaining standard of living, and to condense it, basically contribute to the overall good and contribute positively to civilization.

My taxation is an agreement that the government will use tax dollars for those purposes. They do not, therefore, they did not earn their pay.

When they start contributing to society in a positive way, then perhaps more people would be more willing to pay them. I mean, that's the whole golden thing about democracy right? That you have a say in your government, and you have a voice?

If you agreed to pay a guy $20 to mow your lawn, and instead, he burned and salted it, you're telling me you would still pay him? Say you did pay him, and say "eh, it was a mistake"....would you continue to hire and pay him if he kept doing the same thing repeatedly?

[–]Soltheron 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Secondly, I think someone who thinks taxation will guarantee people didn't die in the streets when it fact it has literally been show to kill people in the streets, is not only stupid, but borderline retarded.

It's working just fine here in Norway. The US government is a bit more corrupt, yeah, but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is only a solution to an idiot.

[–]LC_Music -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It only "works" in Norway because you're used to it. Your system is incredibly broken. You guys are also quite a bit behind the US, which is whatever, you guys are also pretty small anyways.

Having said all that, norway doesn't have the history of extreme violence, corruption, etc that the US government does.

[–]hosandtrix -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Norway is sixty times smaller than the U.S. and they receive an enormous amount of revenue from Oil. They definitely are not the norm.

If you want examples of places that are doing extremely well with low taxes and policies that support economic freedom, look no further than Singapore and Hong Kong. The tax revenue in both of these places represents less than 15% of their GDP. They also take the number one and number two spots on the index of economic freedom. As a result of these policies, Singapore's GDP per capita is $78,762, compared to $64,363 in Norway, and they've managed to achieve that without possessing a huge oil fund. In Hong Kong the GDP is per capita is $52,984, which is still considerably high considering that they hardly have any natural resources.

[–]WeepingAngelTears -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The strawman is strong in this one.

[–]Soltheron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You replied to the wrong post.

[–]that__one__guy -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Lol, he's a "statist" for saying a country need money to run lol. You Libertarians are fucking retarded.

[–]LC_Music 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, he's a statist for saying the amount of freedom you have is dependent on how much you pay, which is a huge commandment in the religion of the state.

Also, notice that all of the tax dollars you raise do almost nothing to help the country outside of the governments corporate friends, and killing children? Oh, and paying themselves, of course.

[–]that__one__guy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

No, he's a statist for saying the amount of freedom you have is dependent on how much you pay, which is a huge commandment in the religion of the state.

That's not even close to what he said.

Also, notice that all of the tax dollars you raise do almost nothing to help the country outside of the governments corporate friends, and killing children? Oh, and paying themselves, of course.

Yeah, too bad the government has absolutely no public works or social programs.... I think you drank a bit too much of the kool-aid.

[–]LC_Music 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

That's not even close to what he said.

He did. He said in order to live under the constitution, I need to pay for it. In order to enjoy the standard of living I do, I need to pay for it. This implies that yes, your freedom depends on your ability to pay. As in "if you wanna live under the constitution and all it brings, you have to pay taxes"

Yeah, too bad the government has absolutely no public works or social programs

You don't see a disconnect or disproportion of government feeding the hungry vs. bailing out CEO's or paying for golf trips?

[–]that__one__guy 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

He did. He said in order to live under the constitution, I need to pay for it. In order to enjoy the standard of living I do, I need to pay for it. This implies that yes, your freedom depends on your ability to pay. As in "if you wanna live under the constitution and all it brings, you have to pay taxes"

Makes sense to me. If you want to live in an apartment, you have to pay. The landlord probably isn't going to let you stay there for free. And, you know, since paying taxes is in the constitution, if you want to live under it, you kind of have to do what it says.

You don't see a disconnect or disproportion of government feeding the hungry vs. bailing out CEO's or paying for golf trips?

Nope, considering welfare spending is half a trillion dollars, the billions given to bailout banks or "paying for golf trips" (what ever the hell that's supposed to mean) is basically a drop in the hat. It's even less noticeable when you add in government pensions, 1.2 trillion, health care, 1.4 trillion, and education, .9 trillion. That adds up, with welfare, to 4 trillion dollars. So no, I don't think there's a disconnect there.

[–]LC_Music -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The landlord probably isn't going to let you stay there for free

So, the government should act like a landlord? Hmm, I always though people bitched when the government acted like a corporation.

And, you know, since paying taxes is in the constitution

No, SOME types of taxes are in the constitution. Income tax is not one of them.

Personally, that section of the constitution is a bit broken, because it doesn't stipulate what taxes are to be used for. It sort of does, but the government has kind of added a bunch of shit to that list and can change it whenever they want. Gotta start a new war? Better dip into social security to pay for it..

As explained, I have no problem with ALL taxes. It's when we use said tax money to start wars, bailout banks while people start, and we point guns at people to obtain tax dollars, that we start having a problem.

considering welfare spending is half a trillion dollars, the billions given to bailout banks

Translate the numbers you list into percentages

"paying for golf trips" (what ever the hell that's supposed to mean)

You know, going on AF1 ($230,000/hr) to play golf in Hawaii while the country is in 7 wars. That kind of stuff.

[–]strapt313 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (11子コメント)

So you don't have a problem being forced to pay for things that kill innocent people every year?

[–]Soltheron -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (10子コメント)

I'm not a huge fan of the way the US is waging wars, no. I'd prefer if the military was greatly reduced in size, so that's what I use my voice to try to change.

What I don't do is whine about taxes like a manchild who has no real problems in the world and who doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

[–]strapt313 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

so that's what I use my voice to try to change.

How's that working for you?

What I don't do is whine about taxes like a manchild who has no real problems in the world and who doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

Nice strawman.

[–]Soltheron 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (8子コメント)

How's that working for you?

Fairly well here in Norway. I don't live in the US any more.

Nice strawman.

Strawman would indicate that it's not accurate, which what I said usually is. With a little bit of examination, I am 99% certain that this would fit you and the other "An"cap / right-libertarians in here.

[–]strapt313 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

I'm glad you're "fairly certain" about your strawman caricature you've built of me for yourself.

How much time and money do you donate every year?

[–]Soltheron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (6子コメント)

How much time and money do you donate every year?

The relevance here is nonexistent. I could donate all my time or none of my time and it would matter exactly zero to any of my arguments.

I'm decently active in my community, anyway. I'm a teacher.

This line of questioning just goes to show that you have a way too individualistic view of the problems of society. Once you get almost any kind of experience with how the world works you quickly realize that you can't solve collective problems with individual solutions.

[–]strapt313 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I think it has everything to do with me defending my character which is what I was doing.

You claimed I'm some greedy evil person that doesn't think of anyone but myself. I say that is completely untrue and then you move the goalposts on me.

If anything, I'm the only one in here that's concerned about poor people overseas. Given the amount of downvotes I'm recieving.

[–]WASNITDS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (26子コメント)

Are none of the following open to debate?

  • What our government does
  • How much it spends on each of those things
  • The specifics of how the funding will be obtained
  • Exactly what each taxpayer's "fair share" is

Must we all either just shut up and accept things as is, or "go live in the woods somewhere"? Can't we debate whether or not anything should be changed?

[–]Soltheron -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Certainly they are open for debate. He said that as long as he wouldn't have to pay for those things, sign him up. They are part of the package, so I showed him where to go if he doesn't want to pay taxes.

Also, "taxes are theft", which is often repeated by idiots like him who use the slur "statist", is not debate so much as ignorant idiocy.

[–]WASNITDS 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Fair enough. :-)

[–]Soltheron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

For the record, I'm pretty anti-war myself. I strongly dislike the absurd waste of resources that is the military-industrial complex, and I would love for it to be at least somewhat replaced with social safety nets, foreign aid, and a number of other things.

[–]strapt313 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

You're not antiwar whatsoever. Lol. If you can't even discuss cutting funding for war, you have no business masquerading as antiwar. You're just a typical state worshiping zombie whose only solution to everything is violence.

[–]Soltheron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This is why no one takes you idiots seriously.

[–]PhiMinD 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (18子コメント)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGMQZEIXBMs

[–]Soltheron -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (17子コメント)

Ugh, please don't link me this ignorant nonsense.

[–]PhiMinD -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (16子コメント)

if you are morally ok with using violence to extract money from people just say so, dont be a coward and pretend thats not what is happening here though.

[–]Soltheron -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (15子コメント)

If you're morally ok with kidnapping people and putting them in a confined space for the rest of their lives, just say so. Don't be a coward and pretend that's not what is happening here, though.

[–]PhiMinD -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (14子コメント)

Im not morally ok with that, I dont think society should be structured around violence and theft. Thats why i posted the video.

[–]strapt313 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Man you really like defending your overlords. How does your tongue stay intact after all of that boot licking?

[–]Soltheron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Sorry that I don't like warlords and private hierarchies as much as you do, Mr "Anarchist".

You can probably teach me a thing or two about tongue-endurance what with your sycophantic inclinations towards CEOs.