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All transgender inmates win the unexpected support of US Justice Department, after intervening in a federal lawsuit filed against Georgia corrections officials in February. (nytimes.com)

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[–]ButtsexEurope -11 ポイント-10 ポイント  (18子コメント)

Since her arrival there, Ms. Diamond has survived an attempted rape in a stairwell, dealt with inmates exposing themselves and masturbating in front of her, and faced relentless sexual coercion

So, just like any other inmate then. He doesn't deserve hormones for this. All it does is cosmetic differences. Psychotropic drugs affect your brain chemistry. Give him those. You want a wig? Save up to buy one in the commissary. You're in jail, not summer camp.

[–]PW_IS_obvious 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (16子コメント)

No amount of psychotropic drugs are going to cure her. In addition, those drugs are far more costly then HRT. Next, a doctor has prescribed those drugs deeming them medically necessary. (The medical community as a whole agrees the transition is medically necessary.) This is the job of doctors not reddit or the jail system. You wouldn't deprive a manically depressed inmate of their medications why would you deny a trans person their medications?

[–]Zero_THM -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Honestly, I don't think it's the facilities job to cure them, or support whatever changes they want. The facility's job is to warehouse them until their time is up, or they transfer out, or die. Everything else is a bit superfluous.

[–]Finkelton 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (1子コメント)

FFS I'm glad you're on reddit and not making our already horrible prison system worse.

that is seriously one fucked up view.

[–]Zero_THM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

I can respect your opinion, but could you elaborate on why you feel that way?

[–]fuck_the_DEA [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I thought that the whole fucking point of jail was to rehabilitate people? Not just to throw them in some rapist-filed box where they do their time until they leave all resentful and, most likely, a more hardened criminal than they were before.

[–]Zero_THM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

No, the point of prison is to remove felons from society, as they've been proven in a court of law to be unable to coexist in said society. The prison exists to serve the public by warehousing the offenders, so that the public can operate free of them. If it existed to serve the offenders through rehabilitation, it would be a hospital, not a prison.

[–]PW_IS_obvious 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I understand but we have to remember laws are therefor good reason. We have to treat our prisoners while they are in our custody. It's part of humane treatment. They are criminals but they are people. If a doctor says it's needed and we locked them in a cage then obviously the government has to become the conduit for the prisoner and medical treatment.

[–]Zero_THM [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

I agree with the idea that we have to treat them to a point. If they need antibiotics to fight a staph infection, or antiretrovirals to control their HIV, or insulin to control their diabetes, I'm 100% on board with that. However, maintaining life, and maintaining their lifestyle are two different animals, and I don't personally agree with the latter. Prison's not meant to be comfortable or accommodating. It's meant to hold people who have proven they are unable to obey the rules of our government and society, until a time or event that is set to release them.

If there are 2500 living individuals in the fence when we arrive, and there are 2500 living individuals in the fence when we leave, we've done our job. Everything else is superfluous, in my opinion.

[–]PW_IS_obvious [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

The problem is this is not a lifestyle choice. It's a medical condition. At that point, it becomes as acceptable to treat as diabetes. We could argue some cases are diabetes are a lifestyle choice. My dad has, I forgot the type, diabetes from making very poor health choices including way overindulging in sweets even though it runs in our families. We can argue aids is a lifestyle choice if we play ignorant and blame it on promiscuous sex or drug use. At the end of the day all three of these conditions kill if left untreated. It's the responsibility of the prison to care for these individuals as prescribed by doctors regardless of personal thoughts.

[–]sheepsleepdeep [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

...the facility's job is to rehabilitate them for life outside of prison after they have paid a debt to society. What you just advocated would be the thinking that leads to hardened criminals made even harder by the conditions inside prison leaving when their sentence is up and just strolling into your neighborhood.

[–]Zero_THM [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Rehabilitation is a nice idea and all, but you can't make the horse drink. I realize it has become society's little fetish to think that we can change these people into what we want them to be, much like a bright eyed girl thinks she can change the bad boy to be her perfect little sweet heart. It's simply not how it works.

People who want to change, will. Those who don't want to will reoffend anyway. I know, I see it happen all the time. Asked an inmate just the other day what his plans were when he got out. He had just received a rather heinous facial tattoo that would seriously hinder his ability to be hired on the outside. He stated to me, "I'm gonna hustle and stack that paper."

Those who want to change will. Those who don't, won't. It's not the facility's job to make them want it.

[–]ButtsexEurope [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

I agree that depressed need medications. Dysphoria is depression. Passing as a woman is not a right.

Meds don't cure depression either. It's a treatment. This wasn't decided by doctors. It was decided by politicians.

[–]PW_IS_obvious [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

Dysphoria is depression that is cured by transitioning not medications. People have been receiving this treatment long before politicians started looking out for them. We're talking as far back as when black Americans weren't allowed to eat in white dinners. So, it's foolish to say politicians are the reason transgender people transition. Doctors are the one's who decided this.

[–]ButtsexEurope [スコア非表示]  (3子コメント)

I'm talking about in prison. On the outside they should get whatever hormones they want. In prison, they don't deserve the luxury of hormones on the inside. The point of hormones is comfort and changing one's appearance. Prison isn't supposed to be comfortable and "passing" isn't a right. Give him antidepressants and therapy to treat the dysphoria. If they want hormones so badly, they can pay for it themselves.

[–]PW_IS_obvious [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

You're still missing the point. The doctors prescribe the HRT not as a privilege of passing as a woman (which you keep referencing, but unfortunately a good portion of transgender people do not pass effectively so this argument is rather baseless). It's prescribed to alleviate the mental stress caused by the condition. Again, if it were as simple as prescribing anti-depressants they would. They are ineffective at treating this. Again, ButtSexEurope at the end of the day we're two redditors debating something we have no authority on. The authorities of the subject have made the call.

[–]ButtsexEurope [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

Because the department of justice is well versed on medicine and body dysmorphia, right?

School causes me mental stress. Does that mean I should be exempt from it?

Now why does estrogen relieve mental stress? Because it gives the user a cosmetic appearance of a woman. It's all back to body image. If they really wanted to relieve mental stress then they would let him cut his balls off. If they wanted to relieve mental stress then they would let suicidal patients kill themselves because that's what they want, right?

[–]PW_IS_obvious [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

Because the department of justice is well versed on medicine and body dysmorphia, right?

They did this under recommendation of doctors. You're really arguing about something that you have zero knowledge about. You're arguing with feelings. Anyways I have to get off and head to work. Have a great day!