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All transgender inmates win the unexpected support of US Justice Department, after intervening in a federal lawsuit filed against Georgia corrections officials in February. (nytimes.com)

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[–]Xatencio -22 ポイント-21 ポイント  (59子コメント)

In her lawsuit, Ms. Diamond asks the court to direct prison officials to provide her hormone therapy

Uh, I'm sorry, what? You want the taxpayers to pay for your hormone therapy? Look, I'm sorry if you are being attacked in prison - you certainly don't have that coming to you - but I'm not liable for your hormone treatments.

It's not my fault you're in prison. That's your fault. Don't expect me to pay for your mistakes.

[–]PW_IS_obvious 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (23子コメント)

But do you mind paying for other medicines such as anti-depressants for inmates? You realize these drugs are incredibly cheap at the level the government would be paying for them and it's not okay to arrest someone, and decide that regardless of the fact a doctor has prescribed these drugs that you're not going to give them to the patient. People need to realize transgender people are not transvestites who put on a dress for kicks and giggles. It's a serious mental health issue. If you deprive someone like this of their treatment, you've done exactly the same as depriving a manically depressed inmate of their anti-depressants.

[–]Xatencio -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (20子コメント)

Whoever was paying for these medicines before entering prison should be the ones paying for these medicines while in prison.

[–]PW_IS_obvious 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Okay, then all inmates should be paying for their own medicines. But the problem is you can't do that. Look we can all sit here and say shame on you bad guys for what you've done. At the end of the day we have laws that protect everyone for good reason. We have taken these criminals and thrown them in a cage. At that point it becomes the responsibility of the government to care for them as they would if they weren't in prison. Just because you're a criminal doesn't mean you're no longer a human being. This tax payer argument is trivial. I pay for wars I don't agree with. I pay from politicians salaries I don't agree with. It's part of life. Let's focus on the big fish before we start criticizing an inmates access to medically necessary treatments and medications.

[–]ATPResearch 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

So, inmates should be buying their own food then? And water? Renting access to showers and toilets?

[–]conuly 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Shh, don't put ideas in the heads of the for-profit prison industry.

[–]Xatencio -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Are we talking about medicine or something else now? You seem to have switched topics.

[–]ATPResearch 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (6子コメント)

No, but if you think prisoners should have to pay for medicine, why not food?

[–]Xatencio -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Because food isn't optional. I'd argue that this type of hormone treatment is.

[–]ATPResearch 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Are you a psychologist?

[–]Xatencio -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

No, but Paul McHugh is. And he agrees with me. What's interesting is how we view mental disorders like anorexia compared with gender dysphoria. In the former, we treat it properly as a mental disorder that needs addressed. In the latter, we treat it as if we need to fix the body to match the disorder. Can you imagine if we treated anorexia like that?

[–]ATPResearch 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Nonetheless, he's in the minority, and besides, your argument wasn't "this isn't the right treatment for prisoners," it was "fuck prisoners because muh tax dollars."

[–]thelittlemansrug [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

He has been debunked on this theory, countless times, this is the absolutely wrong guy to be quoting and his opinion on this matter is not accepted by any major medical organization. I can dig up some sources for you when I get home from work if you don't want to take my word for it.

[–]ButtsexEurope -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Anorexia is also a mental health issue but we don't treat it with stomach stapling. We treat it with antidepressants. Which is what he should be getting, not hormones so he can giggle at his boobs.

[–]PW_IS_obvious 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Anorexia is a completely different condition. You're comparing apples to heroin here. Anti-depressants do not work for this condition. If it did, I assure you that would be the recommended mental treatment. That's why we all need to take a step back and recognize the authority of medical professionals. This is their call and they've made that call. Whether we agree or not, the prison system needs to appreciate and respect their recommendations. Prisons are good at keeping criminals in and doctors are good at deciding how to treat conditions.

[–]blahdenfreude 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, no actually, you are liable for prisoners' medical treatments.

[–]gravshift 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Those drugs are really really cheap. Cheaper for many decades of hormone therapy then the suicide investigation and wrongful death suite from the family.

[–]witchest 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (21子コメント)

Trans people kill themselves all the time because they're unable to medically transition. Hormone therapy and reassignment surgeries are necessary and lifesaving medical procedures. Even assuming everyone in prison is guilty and completely at fault for the circumstances that led to their imprisonment (because it's not as if anyone commits crime out of desperation, right? And it's not as if trans people are subject to more poverty due to job discrimination, right? Or as if they're discriminated against even in places like homeless shelters, right?), it's inhumane to deny access to them.

[–]ButtsexEurope -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hormone therapy is purely cosmetic. That does not warrant taxpayer money. They can live with not passing while in jail with psychotropic meds. In fact, there's this whole movement of not passing in trans groups and being like Agender or whatever. Pay for your own damn hormones or buy it with cigarettes.

[–]Castrated_Goat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pls stop your hurting me

[–]reddsded -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Maybe the 19 people that downvoted you are willing to foot the bill? Nah, they're the same ones yelling "soak the rich!"

[–]sheepsleepdeep [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

It's not my fault you're in prison

Don't expect met to pay for your mistakes.

...the irony is strong with this one

So people who go to prison lose all human rights? We lock them in a cage for X number of years and let them out? Prison is about rehabilitation and debt to society. If you want hardened criminals who will do anything they can just to survive after being locked up for years and treated like inhuman animals... Yeah send them to prison and let them out. OR, we rehabilitate and accommodate these inmates so that once they leave the prison system they can reacclimate themselves to civil society.