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So cockatrice is dead. (woogerworks.com)

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[–]georg51 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (4子コメント)

The site administrator is throwing a hissy fit because people told him to stop selling proxies since, you know, it's illegal.

Xmage is just way better anyways.

[–]Falterfire 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (3子コメント)

To be fair, running Cockatrice is also illegal. It's just that players tend to care much less about digital copyright infringement (Especially since quite a few players don't really think it should be illegal in the first place) than they do about counterfeit cards.

[–]Tiqueerius 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Plus a good amount of people cared about his being a dumbass and putting Cockatrice at even further risk.

[–]xbwtyz 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Can someone help me understand how cockatrice may be illegal? It uses assets from gatherer, and doesn't distribute any assets or code that is owned by WOTC. what makes cockatrice illegal?

[–]Falterfire 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Technically the program itself isn't illegal. Cockatrice itself does not contain any cards, and you could in theory use it to exclusively play games of your own creation.

The instant you add Magic to the mix, it becomes illegal. You are then using the intellectual property (The card text, names, and rules, even without art, are the intellectual property of Wizards) without compensating WotC.

Copyright law is, of course, a messy thing. You could probably spend a decent amount of time in court arguing about it, especially if you don't use the art, rename the key vocabulary ('levitating' instead of 'flying') and misspell all the card names. You could have an even longer argument if you were playing exclusively with custom sets.

But if you're using actual Magic sets to play decks made of actual Magic cards using the actual Magic rules on Cockatrice? That's definitely infringement.

SIDENOTE: I'm not interested in an argument about whether it's ethically wrong to do this. I'm even less interested in arguing about what copyright law should or shouldn't look like. My intent here is purely to explain why Cockatrice is copyright infringement.

[–]BeatupMckillyoustein 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No, cockatrice is not dead. Woogerworks wasn't the main server once, but once the main server got shut down woogerworks took over. Now that woogerworks is down, another server will take its place.

[–]Cerxi 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Chickatrice still exists, never fear.

[–]seneza 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Back up right now...

[–]MCMalzahar 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (8子コメント)

Holy... What did the people do to the developer?

[–]ParzivalTargaryen 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Called him out for openly producing proxies.

[–]Brawler_1337 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Openly selling proxies. It's the money-making part that is significant.

[–]bolt_snap_bolt 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (3子コメント)

This.

Making proxies is completely legal, but once you start rolling in the dough...

[–]RangerBillXX 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

making proxies isn't legal either, but WOTC usually doesn't do anything about it unless/until you try to make money off it.

[–]bolt_snap_bolt 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I think personal use is legal. Though it seems there is a major grey area.

[–]Falterfire 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Hard to be certain because copyright law is a mess, but I'm pretty sure proxying Magic cards is illegal in the same way downloading a copy of a video game is illegal. Probably proxying one or two you could say wasn't a representative portion of the work and therefore not infringement, but it would quickly devolve into a battle of technicalities I think.

[–]k-selectride 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I mean, is Kinko's openly selling proxies when you print out your EDH deck there?

[–]Kerrus 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

He decided to start selling magic 'proxies' on his site. For money. (ie: countefeiting). The response was not positive, so now he's all butthurt because people don't agree with his belief that 'fair use protections' cover counterfeiting.

[–]kiragami 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

And nothing of value was lost.

[–]emptyshark 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It was valuable to me. It was a convenient program to keep and build decklists on, and I could play Magic online for free with my friends who go to school in other states.

[–]benbuzz790 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try untap.in

[–]woogerboy21 -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Let's get some fact straight here. Woogerworks operates a couple gaming servers. We have a cockatrice and xmage server and offered to help support untap.in once (but that never came to).

Woogerworks is not developing the specific sets of applications. They each have there own development groups. Please stop coupling the game server providers and the development groups together.

Secondly , woogerworks offered printing services. The site indicated they are not real, they were not sold as real, and there was plenty of places through out the products pages that stated various facts about the products offered including that they were not tournament playable / legal. For the people out there that think putting some indicating factor of the cards that they are not real makes any difference, it does not.

And I also read some were some one said something about the holofoil option . This option was made from scrapbooking paper that didnt contain the actual wizards imagery. If you cant tell that a card that looks fake, and has a fake sticker on it isn't real no one will be able to help you.

[–]MoreSteakLessFanta 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Well, you apparently don't operate the cockatrice server anymore.

[–]woogerboy21 -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Huh?

[–]MoreSteakLessFanta 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I mean, I'm on the server now, so I guess I'm just as confused, but...huh?

[–]hawkxor 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Selling fake goods as real is also illegal, but that's not the situation, it is simply copyright infringement. I can't record my own Harry Potter audiobook and sell it regardless of the labelling.

[–]gumbogogo -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

damn..