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Has anyone noticed that the cockatrice server (woogerworks) is just openly printing "proxies" on its site now? (woogerworks.com)
Mirage08 が 17 時間 前 投稿
[–]overkill_78 66 ポイント67 ポイント68 ポイント 17 時間 前 (4子コメント)
They just handed WotC an excuse to shut them down. Good job Woogerworks.
[–]Mirage08[S] 9 ポイント10 ポイント11 ポイント 16 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Maybe the server is hosted in like... Sudan or something? Good luck shutting that down WOTC.
/sarcasm
[–]nj1105nj 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 11 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I'm pretty sure the server is actually hosted in France or the UK now. I've heard something about it not being in he US from one of the mods.
[–]CommiePuddin 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 11 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I feel confident that the EU is about as high on counterfeiting as the US government is.
[–]arvindrad 29 ポイント30 ポイント31 ポイント 17 時間 前* (3子コメント)
Well, this does not bode well.
RIP woogerworks.
[–]ktvspeacock 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 9 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Sounds like a [Baneful Omen]
[–]Tophtalk 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 7 時間 前 (1子コメント)
You need double brackets to fetch bruh.
[[Baneful Omen]]
[–]MTGCardFetcher 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Baneful Omen - Gatherer, MC, ($) [[cardname]] to call - not on gatherer = not fetchable
[–]Mirage08[S] 16 ポイント17 ポイント18 ポイント 6 時間 前 (2子コメント)
UPDATE: So it looks like Woogerworks has responded by removing the service from their website.
[–]IPyro17 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Another update their website is now a blank page that says,
"Until I dedice otherwise I will no longer be supporting the MtG community.
You are the most ungrateful people I have ever experienced dealing with."
[–]overkill_78 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 1 時間 前* (0子コメント)
What a child. "Waaaah, I was selling illegal proxies and got called out on it before WotC found out, I'm taking my ball and going home, waaaaah".
[–]LoLReiver 14 ポイント15 ポイント16 ポイント 16 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Idiotic. Wonder if anyone else will pick cockatrice up after the takedown
[–]Mirage08[S] 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 16 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Seriously don't know what they're thinking.
[–]danpascooch 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 16 時間 前 (4子コメント)
I can't even fathom why they would think this a good idea.
How do they think this will end? With Wizards looking the other way and them making money hand over fist?
Delusional doesn't even begin to describe it.
[–]Scipion 6 ポイント7 ポイント8 ポイント 13 時間 前 (3子コメント)
It takes like half a Google search to find out Wizard's policy on producing proxies for profit like they are attempting. The only way I can see them being this brazen is if they are not based in the US.
[–]clutchest_nugget 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Didn't the people in China get shut down a year or two ago? I don't think being out of the country necessarily makes you immune.
[–]Umezete 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
They didn't but China is notorious for not.giving a fuck about copyright laws.
[–]Thesaurii 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 分 前 (0子コメント)
China doesn't care about copyright laws, but they REALLY care about toy giants keeping an interest in them. China isn't the only place to go for cheap labor anymore, when Hasbro tells them to go find the printing presses, they find the printing presses. Its not even hard. The big counterfeit MTG operation there was found and shut down.
The big counterfeits are made in Brazil now, the government there doesn't care as much if Hasbro is mad.
[–]masta030 24 ポイント25 ポイント26 ポイント 16 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Apparently im the only one who has noticed that this has been going on for a while actually, and im totally okay with it. I like it since you can pay them to print up custom cards/custom tokens if you dont have access toa decent printer
[–]Arouza 12 ポイント13 ポイント14 ポイント 14 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Despite you being downvoted to hell you're correct. I noticed they were doing this for quite some time. This isn't news.
[–]Blarg96 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The issue is that wizards won't like this... Regardless of if we do.
[–]masta030 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10 分 前 (0子コメント)
I dont know what downvote hell means to you, but im at almost 30 points, thats like my best comment ever haah
[–]Mirage08[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Ya it doesn't bother me tbh, as long as these "proxies" aren't "fakes." It just seems like something that WOTC can shut them down for.
[–]CoprT 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 13 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Idiots.
[–]velocikoopa 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 16 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Ironically enough they're probably going to get a bit more business from this post. :V
[–]kona_worldwaker 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 17 時間 前 (13子コメント)
How much per proxy?
[–]Scipion 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 16 時間 前 (7子コメント)
$2, easier and cheaper just to get your own printed on card stock at like any printing place.
[–]Frost80 5 ポイント6 ポイント7 ポイント 13 時間 前 (0子コメント)
depends on the card quality.
[+]kona_worldwaker スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 9 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Do they ship from America? Chinese proxies cost about the same but they take eons to get here ;-;
[–]winglerw28 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 5 時間 前 (3子コメント)
At that rate I'd just get the fake Chinese cards from AliExpress and do what I did - tell them to replace the magic back with a custom image indicating it is a proxy (I did this to build the MODO cube IRL).
[–]kona_worldwaker 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
The AliExpress counterfeits are easily distinguishable as counterfeits, so I don't bother telling them to alter the back.
[–]k-selectride -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Those chinese cards are super obviously not even close to real cards though. A couple sellers are claiming to have blue core cards, and I'm waiting for a batch to arrive to see what the deal is, but the cards I got from one of the more popular sellers are super obvious. There's absolutely no need to have to specify on the card that they're proxies.
[–]winglerw28 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
That's fair, but it is cool having a custom logo for your cube. Also in double sleeves it isn't as obvious that they are fake. The only real difference in quality from a real card (at least in the batch I got) was the rubbery feel of the card. It sounded the same when flicked and I couldn't pick it out of a deck of other real cards.
[+]69Goblins69 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント-4 ポイント 16 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Wat r u prxy scum?
[–]TheBookChief -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 13 時間 前 (1子コメント)
I thought this was a good comment ∑(゚Д゚)
[–]kona_worldwaker -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 9 時間 前 (0子コメント)
It made me laugh
[+]Mirage08[S] スコアが基準値未満のコメント-14 ポイント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント 17 時間 前 (1子コメント)
lol, does it matter?
[–]Freemantic 8 ポイント9 ポイント10 ポイント 16 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Lol, like yeah?
[–]Barrens -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 15 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Just ordered a set of force of wills, will post results when they come
[–]Tsunamiis 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
well that sucks
[–]sabaspeed521 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 6 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Can't seem to fetch the images of all new cards... anyone having this issue? all DTK cards have no images.
[–]Mirage08[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 5 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Make sure you turn off "high res images"
[+]thelehn スコアが基準値未満のコメント-13 ポイント-12 ポイント-11 ポイント 13 時間 前 (17子コメント)
Seriously, why not just email Wizards of the Coast and say "I found someone stealing from you" and post a snapshot of the email conversation you both have. Seriously. Proxies = bad, yes we know all about this. Cockatrice = bad...wait whut? Well yeah, duh, of course, ostensibly, in theory, to the Wizards' wallets, yeah, but it's awesome and it serves an amazing function in between face to face magic and stupid-world pay-to-not-play MTGO. It also lets anyone test any deck in a heartbeat, which I've argued (in I believe my first or second ever Reddit post, hot-faced to be sure) is one of c'trice's biggest contributions to the health of the game.
I'm just saying man, you are on the woogerworks site because you use cockatrice. You posting this to one of the most central hubs of MTG information is not a kindly PSA->>>something over here you might like! It's a too-loud voice at lunch in the cafeteria saying "Are those fireworks!?" and getting that cool kid who's parents are never around busted and all those fireworks he was gonna sell you and all the other kids are GONE, along with the Playboys.
Now, I'll be the first to say that "snitches get stiches" is not something we should hold aloft as model behavior, but I am going to go out on a limb and say that your first thought was "I can tell my reddit community something they might upvote" and not "will posting this hasten the death of my favorite (only) free mtg web client".
Oh and do me one favor everyone: please don't bury my comment with your nays. I want people to weigh in on this. I'll shut the hell up if other people think I'm way off base on any of my premises. They are:
a) printing proxies is bad
b) most people that go to woogerworks are people who want to/do play cockatrice
c) most people who know what woogerworks is dont want cockatrice to disappear
d) it is not free to host all the cockatrice game traffic on your server
e) talking about an issue like this in a forum like this creates a measurable shift in consciousness and action surrounding the culture and business of MTG
f) snitches get stitches
Woogerworks has been printing proxies on that site for well over a year, bro. They used to have foil peels you could get printed on. Over a year ago. Check your calendar, it's April 5th, 2015. Will woogerworks last another year? dunno OP, I guess we'll see.
edit: I don't know how to list
[–]slidelux 25 ポイント26 ポイント27 ポイント 11 時間 前 (0子コメント)
This was a painfully difficult post to follow
[–]EternalPhi 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 5 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Proxies = bad
This is far too vague.
Selling proxies = bad, yes, but not all proxies are bad. The idea being the difference between commercial and personal use. If you are intending to sell proxies, then it's absolutely bad, but making proxies for a cube, for instance, is perfectly acceptable.
Wizards of the Coast is the owner of multiple IPs that are, unfortunately, more a set of rules and game pieces than anything tangible. For example, in order to play D&D, you don't need to buy anything from WotC. The same is true of Magic, so long as you're not trying to play officially.
[–]Glaroon -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 4 時間 前 (3子コメント)
but making proxies for a cube, for instance, is perfectly acceptable.
No it's not. While WoTC isn't going to come after you for it, copying protected content, for any use, including use without financial gain, is illegal. watch any DVD, the message is right there in the beginning
[–]EternalPhi 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Playing with proxies is more akin to acting out the scenes of your favourite movie with your friends. Selling proxies is another story altogether. No one can legally stop you from recording a version of your favourite song and listening to it. They can stop you from selling it, though.
[–]1s4c 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 1 時間 前 (0子コメント)
kinda depends on what exactly is covered by their copyright, is it only the graphics or the whole "idea" of the card?
obviously you can't print and sell their cards 1:1, but considering how many sites sell custom tokens you can probably sell and print cards in some "alternative" form, really hard to tell where is the limit though ...
[–]se7enwords -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Douche.
[–]snurfy8 10 ポイント11 ポイント12 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Woogerworks admin found
[–]TheRabbler 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 7 時間 前 (1子コメント)
There's a pretty massive difference between playing free online magic because MTGO is garbage and buying "proxies" of cards because you don't want to pay for magic. Wooger has been doing a great service to the community by rehosting cockatrice and keeping us all playing, but as soon as woogerworks started actively creating and selling fakes they started doing the community a massive disservice. I'm willing to bet 95% of people on this sub and less than 1% of people who play magic know that they did this, so I'm glad OP pointed it out. I certainly won't be using cockatrice anymore.
[–]grumpenprole 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 3 時間 前 (0子コメント)
What's the difference, I don't get it
[–]Glaroon 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (6子コメント)
It also lets anyone test any deck in a heartbeat, which I've argued (in I believe my first or second ever Reddit post, hot-faced to be sure) is one of c'trice's biggest contributions to the health of the game.
Theft of IP is bad. End of discussion. Just because you cannot afford cards does not give you the right to steal someone elses IP.
[+]woogerboy21 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 4 時間 前* (5子コメント)
So let me get this straight, under your logic, when some one wants to make a decision on which cards to purchase and they take a piece of paper, slip it in a sleeve to find out between the two cards they are trying to figure out to use before purchase. They are breaking the law?
[–]elconquistador1985 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
No, he's saying that printing a piece of paper with copyrighted imagery on it is breaking the law.
Hell, you can't take senior pictures or wedding pictures to a photoshop and have copies made because the photographer owns the copyright (unless it was turned over to you). Cockatrice is already on shaky ground. I cannot believe you would be so stupid as to sell proxies. You're asking to get shut down. This is one of the stupidest fucking things you could have done.
[+]woogerboy21 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 3 時間 前 (1子コメント)
But thats not what IP is. IP covers everything about the card. Regardless of if your printing the imagery of the card itself.
[–]elconquistador1985 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Selling printed copies of a card does not fall under fair use, it is infringement. You have made a terrible mistake and made Cockatrice more of a target than it already was.
[–]throwaway_87348 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
No, you fucking moron. God you're dense. The message on your website proves what a godamned child you are. Good riddance, and adios.
[–]daran_madrox 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 53 分 前 (0子コメント)
All I know is, people bitching about something being illegal "because it is illegal" is an absurd argument. Fuck those kind of people.
[–]intrasolar 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 10 時間 前 (0子コメント)
they've been doing this for a while now lol
[+]thelehn スコアが基準値未満のコメント-24 ポイント-23 ポイント-22 ポイント 16 時間 前* (5子コメント)
Theyve been doing it for a minute now. Shhh. Seriously, the sooner you delete this post, the fewer people that care see it. Right? Is there any value in blowing this up?
[–]llikeafoxx 20 ポイント21 ポイント22 ポイント 16 時間 前 (4子コメント)
Found the Woogerworks guy.
[–]danpascooch 7 ポイント8 ポイント9 ポイント 14 時間 前 (3子コメント)
Shhh. Seriously, the sooner you delete this post, the fewer people that care see it. Right?
Yep, this reasoning is consistent with the kind of person who would think they can get away with selling proxies publicly made-to-order online
[+]thelehn スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 14 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Obviously, that's magical thinking, duh, but seriously, who on this sub doesn't love cockatrice? and seriously, who on this sub doesn't know what happens to card prices when something gets hyped on this sub? and seriously, who is more interested in a) telling everyone that the web host for their favorite (only) free mtg online clone is doing something that's going to get them taken offline than b) in simply enjoying the free service!? Seriously, why not just email Wizards of the Coast and say "I found someone stealing from you" and post a snapshot of the email thread on this sub. Seriously.
[–]danpascooch 11 ポイント12 ポイント13 ポイント 14 時間 前 (0子コメント)
We're not going to hide their stupid decision for them, it's their job to not do stupid shit that will get them shut down.
I love Cockatrice, I hope they see this thread and see these comments and put an end to this dumb shit before it ends them.
[–]DrakkoZW 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 7 時間 前 (0子コメント)
I love my brother, but if he commits murder I'm not keeping my mouth shut.
[+]Glaroon スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 8 時間 前 (12子コメント)
I don't understand how woogerworks is up at all. The official cockatrice server gets shut down but change the name to Woogerworks and WoTC is cool with it?
The proxy printing service just confirms how scummy there are. I hope it's the final nail in their coffin. Nothing more annoying than an entitled 16 year old trying to defend IP theft cause he can't afford the MTG cards he wants
[+]woogerboy21 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 7 時間 前* (10子コメント)
For starters. The original cockatrice server was shutdown for displaying images of copyrighted information without permission and did not change there name. Woogerworks is not owned or operated by the original owners of cockatrice.de
Second. We offer printing services. You are responsible for the imagery you wish to have made. If you want to use copy righted images that is on you as per the customers terms and agreemenets policy: http://www.woogerworks.com/index.php/online-store/20-customer-agreement-and-reprint-policy
Disclaimer
By ordering any prints (new or existing), the order-er agrees that they either own, or own the rights to any imagery placed on the requested print(s). In no way are printer, artists, or individuals involved with production of the print(s) responsible for any type of illegal activity by print production of any requested print and the order-er takes on full responsibility of any legal issues involved with the production of any ordered print(s). By placing any order for prints the Order-er agrees to all terms on this page.
The printing service is designed for people that wish to have custom cards made that replaces existing imagery with there own. Tokens are a good example. We have had others do things like special occasion cards.
And the printing services have been offered for a while now. It's nothing new. Simply google "make playing cards" and you will find a lot of sites that offer printing services and have been for some time now.
[–]Glaroon -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 6 時間 前 (9子コメント)
Woogerworks is not owned or operated by the original owners of cockatrice.de
So? You host and support software designed for the explicit purposes of using someone elses intellectual property without paying for it. Total scumbag move.
By ordering any prints (new or existing), the order-er agrees that they either own, or own the rights to any imagery placed on the requested print(s).
They "Hey, disclaimer, we just offer generic printing services, if you choose to print MTG cards with it, that's on you!" excuse is a shitty one, and has been dismissed, in court of all thing.
You have an ad for a printing service, one a site related to MTG, with a f'ing Snapcater Mage as the image for the service. It's pretty damn clear what your intent is, and it's a scummy thing to do, and I hope you get in deep shit for it. Disclaimers cannot be used as waivers to facilitate illegal activities. You are a disservice to the community and no one would be happier than me if you get shut down and sued into oblivion. It's scumbags like you that keep the reputation of MTG in the toilet. I consider you no better than someone snatching backpacks at a GP or breaking into cars to snatch cards. You are a thief, plain and simple.
And in case you are wondering, yes I have emailed and tweeted all the relevant WoTC officials.
[–]Freemantic 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 6 時間 前 (3子コメント)
And yet after every InkedPlaymats sale we have 30+ "Look at my copyright infringing playmat that I got." But those are cool right.
Relax, junior lawyer.
[+]woogerboy21 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 6 時間 前 (2子コメント)
Im pretty certain that Glaroon has this image that I dont support Wizards and I mass produce counterfeit cards sitting on some stock pile looking to flood the market in some fashion.
I think he would be shocked to find that I haven't played MtG in any type of serious fashion for years and when I did play it I used MTGO. I personally do not like the cockatrice interface and find certain aspects of it painful to use.
Its people like this that make me question trying to support the community and often makes me want to shut things down. My personal opinion (and this might be going to far) is people like Glaroon make this world a worse place by making assumptions and trying to get others to believe in those assumptions.
[–]Glaroon 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
So if you don't play MTG, that gives you the right to rip them off?
I don;t care if you play, don't play, or what cards you own or don't. You run a service that exists to defraud someone else for their IP. IP takes work, ad people who create IP deserve to get compensated for that work. Period.
The fact you think people actually defending what is right is making the world a worst place is pretty amazing. The sign of true character is standing up for what is right even when it's not popular. The sign of a scumbag is doing what is wrong because it is popular. I'll let you decide which sides of that particular divide we each stand on.
[+]woogerboy21 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 4 時間 前 (0子コメント)
You have a very warped understanding of thing like IP and a very odd view on thing IMO. Are you under some illusion that the producers of the product are not getting compensated for there work in the current method in which it is produced? (If you do, maybe you should do some research as to how a product line is produced from beginning to end.)
Please don't start into character arguments. And your not standing up for whats right, stop trying to make yourself better than others. Your no different than anyone else. Things that you post clearly shows your lack of understanding and rather than educate yourself you simply begin berating others into trying to convince them you are correct.
I didn't say anything about since I dont play MtG it gives me any rights. One again stop trying to put words in my mouth. Stop making things up.
[–]Blythe703 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 6 時間 前 (0子コメント)
You're adorable.
[+]woogerboy21 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-8 ポイント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント 6 時間 前 (3子コメント)
I do support an open source development community that has developed a software package with the intent to play games against opponents. Beyond that is what your making it out to be. Your assuming it is strictly mtg based and though the original developer stated it was created to replace MWS the current crew developing the software has been working to get the code moved over to a generic based gaming system that supports multiple game types.
I have an add for an online store that offers printing services on a website. It is not a MtG related site and never has been. Stop assuming things. The image(s) that were on the printing services offered was a custom image of a Phelddagrif. And before you try and inject anything else, the printing services have been removed as the influx of orders is greater than I can handle (being a small shop.)
I really wish users like you would stick with fact and not inject your own propaganda onto things.
[–]Glaroon 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 4 時間 前 (2子コメント)
I do support an open source development community that has developed a software package with the intent to play games against opponents. Beyond that is what your making it out to be.
Yeah, the world isn't stupid, and wordsmithing does not disguise intent. You should get over this delusion you have thta you can "out clever" what is right and wrong. You can't. It just makes you look like a bigger scumbag
Says the guy trying to obsfucate his intent behind carefully spun stories. "Hey, I just support software that is designed and bilt to allow people to play MTG for free, if people ACTUALLY USE it to play free MTG, that's on them, I'm in the free and clear!"
Jesus, even a slimeball used car salesman would blush at that nonsense. You aren't fooling anyone, and eventually people like you run into a situation they think they can wrangle out of and they see their bullshit isn't buying them anything else and down the tubes they go. Hopefully your shitstorm comes soon, maybe you can move into similar lines of work like ripping of senior citizens or getting involved in ponzi and pyramid schemes. "Hey, I just tld him if he gave me $200, he COULD make a lot of money hiring people under him, it's not my fault he fell for my scam!"
Absolutely despicable.
It is not a MtG related site and never has been. Stop assuming things.
Yeah, your image promoting the service is a $50 MTG card. TOTAL coincidence, right? You are so full of shit, an I take pleasure in the fact that people like you ALWAYS end up alone, miserable, and abandoned by all the people they have ripped off, mistreated, and burned over the years.
[+]woogerboy21 スコアが基準値未満のコメント-7 ポイント-6 ポイント-5 ポイント 4 時間 前 (1子コメント)
Im not sure how much further any discussion on this topic can go with you as everything stated in this post simply shows how your still trying to bend things to your argument rather than working with facts.
There is no "wordsmithing" going on by anyone but you.
[–]Glaroon 3 ポイント4 ポイント5 ポイント 2 時間 前* (0子コメント)
You have no facts. You are trying the same old Napster defense. "We just run a service allowing users to share files, if they choose to use that service to share copyrighted music files, hey, that's on them, we're clean!" Unfortunately for you, numerous court and judges have struck down that argument and rules against them. Your lame "Disclaimer" in no way protects you or justifies what you are doing. Thats the legal fact: You are in the wrong. Period.
You seriously must be like 16 years old if you are still trotting out this tired old defense. It didn't work for Napster, it didn't work for Morpheus, or LimeWire, or Pirate Bay, and it doesn't work for you. You are running a service whose primary purposes is to use someone else's intellectual property illegally. You are trying to defend your action by trotting out an argument that has legally been struck down as ridiculous time and time again in multiple courts. Every single one of those services I mentioned used the exact same defense and disclaimer you are, and every single be has been ruled illegal and shut down.
You can think of yourself as some enlightened individual freeing us all from the tyranny of WoTC and rallying behind the "information is free!" Occupy Wall Street bullshit, but the reality is you are a thief, no different than the asshole who jacks cards from people out of their cars, homes, or backpacks, or the Chinese counterfieters. And I f'in HATE thieves. No one will be happier when you get busted than I.
[–]Grig134 -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
How am I supposed to practice for an IQ? I guess I could spend $5k making an actual modern gauntlet or I could print proxies and slip them into sleeves but the only routine practice partner I have works a full time job and lives an hour and a half away.
Or I could use a third party program and practice that way. I guess that's "ripping off wizards" but I don't see how this is scamming anyone because I buy zero cards and attend zero events without preparing ahead of time.
[–]darkaren -2 ポイント-1 ポイント0 ポイント 8 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Yea, that ends that So dumb
[+]grumpenprole スコアが基準値未満のコメント-11 ポイント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント 3 時間 前 (2子コメント)
itt: fuccbois who would sic the cops on their grandmothers if she downloaded a car
[–]Glaroon 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (1子コメント)
TiL: people are happy to break the law and steal from people as long as they get something for free and the other person has more money than them.
Good luck going through life with that attitude
[–]grumpenprole -4 ポイント-3 ポイント-2 ポイント 2 時間 前 (0子コメント)
Thanks, I'm really enjoying all my free media. I realize I'm a complete and utter scumbag for downloading all nine seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
tbh it's less about the acts of "intellectual property theft" (jfc) and more about everyone's vigilantism; why on earth are you all so invested in bringing these people down?
[+]AndrewLarsson スコアが基準値未満のコメント-10 ポイント-9 ポイント-8 ポイント 15 時間 前 (0子コメント)
$53.67 amirite
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