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[–]go1dfish -12 ポイント-11 ポイント  (61子コメント)

The earth is the LORD'S, and all it contains, The world, and those who dwell in it

Psalm 24:1

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Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's

Jesus - Mark 12:17

Everyone forgets that "Render unto Caesar" was said in the presence of Roman authorities.

Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.

Matthew 10:16

If you asked me right now "Should I pay my taxes" it would be a punishable felony for me to say "no".

Likewise, it would not have been wise for Jesus to answer in the negative.

But Jesus being the ballsy revolutionary that he was just couldn't stand to say "yes, pay for the cross they will murder me with"

More here: http://www.anti-state.com/redford/redford4.html

Also relevant: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jerrybowyer/2014/04/18/jesus-of-nazareth-enemy-of-the-state-executed-for-treason/

[–]ClockworkUniverses 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (7子コメント)

Yes, as we all know, Jesus was definitely not okay with stirring up trouble with the authorities. It's how he managed to live to a ripe old age and die peacefully in his sleep.

[–]xXxDeAThANgEL99xXx 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Likewise, it would not have been wise for Jesus to answer in the negative.

Yeah, right. Assuming that he meant the exact opposite of what he said just because you don't like it is totally justified. After all Jesus is known for lying to get himself out of the problems with authorities, lol.

I guess Peter was being a wiseass too, not to mention Paul of course. Or they just misunderstood the teaching of Christ, too bad you weren't there to point out an entirely unrelated passage from the Old Testament to them.

[–]cousous 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Jesus, that is some shitty exegesis. It reminds me of everything wrong with Christians who feel the need to make Christ in the gospels say what they believe.

The Psalms are about as irrelevant as it can get in terms of interpreting the passage because nothing actually suggests a real connection and plenty of parts of the Bible are inconsistent with each other even in terms of basic things such as whether people who are suffering deserve it. Much more useful as to how early Christians would have interpreted that statement would be Paul's letters where he tells people to pay their taxes. The little else we have about the early Christians says they didn't do any of that shit and were just seen as threats because they failed to worship the gods of the state despite being otherwise decent subjects. Or maybe John with Jesus' response to such accusations. "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But now (or 'as it is') my kingdom is not from the world." This must mean that Jesus was all about smash the state according to John!!!!!!111!!!

That isn't even the first time taxes came up in Matthew. Matthew 17:24.

You prooftext with an out of context verse like the worst of the Christians. The ones that really embarrass the theologians. Nobody who actually read the entire passage would think it had any relevance.

"16“I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

21“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

24“The student is not above the teacher, nor a servant above his master. 25It is enough for students to be like their teachers, and servants like their masters. If the head of the house has been called Beelzebul, how much more the members of his household!

26“So do not be afraid of them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known. 27What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs. 28Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell. 29Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground outside your Father’s care.b 30And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31So don’t be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows."

This somehow translats into "lie and try to cover your ass to protect yourself from the government" in your eyes.

For another, Jesus obviously had no problem doing things that could get him killed if you believe the gospels. He was doing plenty of treasonous shit in terms of some of the gospels saying he made the claim of being the messiah, which could not be made unpolitical by simply saying he doesn't mean it is otherworldy or whatever given the state of Palestinian politics at the time. The fact that what he was saying could get him killed didn't stop Jesus in similar situations where some people came and questioned him and he said some really stupid shit in the gospels.

This is nearly as pathetic as the attempts to get out of the parts about giving up all your wealth. It has the usual problem of claiming some ancient figure totally agrees with your personal opinions regardless of how ridiculous that shit is for a person living back then. Biblical capitalism makes absolutely no fucking sense or at least no more than biblical computer programming.

As for what actual Biblical scholars who know Greek and shit think it means? They think it means to pay taxes. Just like they think the part with the eye of the needles means exactly what it sounds like and not some modern bullshit interpretation meant to justify being wealthy.

[–]StoicSophist 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Your exegesis is self-serving nonsense. Lets look at the whole passage, shall we?

13 Later they sent some of the Pharisees and Herodians to Jesus to catch him in his words. 14 They came to him and said, “Teacher, we know that you are a man of integrity. You aren’t swayed by others, because you pay no attention to who they are; but you teach the way of God in accordance with the truth. Is it right to pay the imperial tax[b] to Caesar or not? 15 Should we pay or shouldn’t we?”

But Jesus knew their hypocrisy. “Why are you trying to trap me?” he asked. “Bring me a denarius and let me look at it.” 16 They brought the coin, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”

“Caesar’s,” they replied.

17 Then Jesus said to them, “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.”

And they were amazed at him.

Nope, he's pretty clearly saying that money is of Caesar, not playing some rhetorical trick.

[–]sircumspect 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

If the writing of the bible was divinely guided than why would an erroneous statement from Jesus be incorporated?

[–]FacehammerFuck You Got Mining Rig 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And we all know that if you don't pay your WORTHLESS FIAT DENARII then MEN WITH BALLISTAS will come and THROW YOU IN A CLAUSTRUM