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Is r/movies broken? Will it ever recover from the April fools massacre? (self.movies)

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Who says we don't let ourselves get excited about movies?

I'll be the first one splurging over Mad Max whenever a new trailer is announced. That movie looks dope as fuck right now. I, however, am not excited for the Avengers, and I have my reasons. For some reason if you are excited for the things other people are excited for, that's fair game, but if you aren't excited for things other people are excited for, you're just a group of sour krauts who don't know how to have fun and appreciate the movies.

The same goes for opinions on this subreddit. Say something in favour of the general populace with little to no reasoning explaining why? You're upvoted. Say something with or without reasoning that goes against it? You're downvoted. It's a double standard inherent to Reddit's form of content-sharing.

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[–]CollumMcJingleballsMovie Score Aficionado -5 ポイント-4 ポイント-3 ポイント 3 時間前* (1子コメント)

hahahahahahaha I actually liked Interstellar. Do I think it's the greatest movie of all time? No. But you'll find plenty of testimonials as to how it has literally changed the lives of people and that's funny. I've had a hard time having a discussion about it because people here either post that it changed their lives or it's the dumbest thing ever conceived. The 10,000th thread about it won't change the fact that the discussion is going to end up being the same repetitive trope of people believing there's some sort of vilification and persecution on that movie.

/r/moviesciclejerk makes fun of the the conversational tropes and when we make fun of a movie we do it out of love. You really think we hate all movies don't you? You also think that if we don't go along with the /r/movies consensus then it means we hate the movie and that's really, really naive. You think people having other opinions about films aren't conducive to a healthy discourse and that's sad.

You've been here for five days. It's pretty clear you don't know how either /r/movies or /r/moviescirclejerk are and you're going around this thread making assumptions with no proof. I would try to get to know the subreddit you're posting in and the regulars who post here too before making while assumptions like that.

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Why are we goth kids? Do they even exist anymore? I thought goths went out in the 90s... In fact, most 'goths' I've chatted with have tended to be nice, upbeat people.

Actually, I think Wolf of Wall Street is probably 7/10. This is a common opinion, which I'd love to (and have) discuss/ed. I think Mark Kermode highlights why this struggles pretty clearly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot0KC1s1U1g&spfreload=10

The film is flawed at the script level in that they failed to find an in for the character. The character is too hateful to empathise with. Some critics have said it romanticises the character, but that's nonsense. I just hated the central character, despite a great performance. This is something the script of Goodfellas did manage. Despite his abhorrence, he was the underdog, so we had a level of sympathy for him (although this, I would argue, was ultimately lost by the end of the film). So yes, I actually do think Wolf of Wall Street was overrated and praised in part because it reminded people of Goodfellas and that it lacked the strengths of that film. This has been discussed in /r/flicks. It's a valid opinion and I don't see why that makes me or anyone else 'pretentious'. What is pretentious is /r/movies downvoting people expressing an opinion like that, which they would if someone posted a thread that said 'ISN'T WOLF OF WALL STREET A GREAT FILM?'

[–]hunterbelmont -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 3 時間前 (5子コメント)

Why are we goth kids? Do they even exist anymore?

"Hipster" is overused. I'm comparing you to a teenage/college clique that is concerned about image and the appearance of composure.

Some critics have said it romanticises the character, but that's nonsense.

I'd say the characters are romanticized. They do pretty abhorrent things, and in real life, we would see them as sleazy criminals. But the movie makes you laugh with them. The little humor inserts, like the Popeye theme playing when he takes a shot of coke, masks how bad some of the things they're doing is, making it seem more cartoony and innocuous.

So yes, I actually do think Wolf of Wall Street was overrated

The bigger point is that /r/moviescirclejerk things that there's no way that anyone should rate it as a 10/10 film.

See, I somewhat disagree with your rating of the movie, but I can see why you feel that way. Similarly, I can see why people were blown away by the film. It's smart, doesn't feel its length, and gets you to like characters that are a challenge to like. I don't personally rate it as 10/10, but I don't blame people who do, either. What I'm saying is that the bad guy in this equation is the one who says, "You rated it that? You must be an immature circlejerker who isn't seeing it objectively!"

[–]NotUserHereYeHereYe -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 時間前 (2子コメント)

But the movie makes you laugh with them.

Not really. While the character acting has a level of charm, mostly we are laughing at them. Which works well in say the car crash sequence... but ultimately the characters are simply hateful. The Popeye thing had an impact, but it didn't remove moral judgement in the slightest from the overall picture.

The bigger point is that /r/moviescirclejerk things [sic] that there's no way that anyone should rate it as a 10/10 film.

Sorry, where do you get this from? Because there are a handful of recent films we think don't deserve to be automatically canonized?

doesn't feel its length

Sorry, that was an extremely flabby movie. Most critics agreed on this. There were any number of set pieces that were just yet another debauchery that made exactly the same point.

gets you to like characters that are a challenge to like

I just said it didn't. Why did you just ignore everything I said and the reasons I gave, and then just state the opposite like it's fact? You've failed to engage with me in a discussion. You're exactly the problem with /r/movies. You have failed to discuss.

I don't personally rate it as 10/10, but I don't blame people who do, either.

I don't blame anyone who does provided they justify their reasons. You haven't done that. Also, you said 'haha, moviecirclejerkers only rate Wolf of Wall Street 7/10', but then turn around and say you don't rate it '10/10'.

"You rated it that? You must be an immature circlejerker who isn't seeing it objectively!"

I'm accusing you here of not once talking about the film itself. The comments you just made did not resemble the film I saw and made no direct reference to the film in question.

You just pretty clearly demonstrated the problem while trying to defend it.

[–]hunterbelmont -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 1 時間前 (1子コメント)

but ultimately the characters are simply hateful

They do hateful things, but you have DiCapprio talking directly to the camera at the audience. I think you're supposed to sympathize with the characters and even root for them at times.

Sorry, where do you get this from? Because there are a handful of recent films we think don't deserve to be automatically canonized?

Because the existence of /r/moviescirclejerk consists of getting angry at people liking movies too much.

I just said it didn't. Why did you just ignore everything I said and the reasons I gave, and then just state the opposite like it's fact?

I reread what you said on this subject, and it was basically just "I didn't like the characters because they did bad things". Don't act like you made some masterfully analytical point that I glossed over.

What I'm saying is that the movie wants you to sympathize with the character. Maybe it didn't work for you, but the intent is clearly there. The scene with the protagonist leaving his first wife could have been so much worse. I doubt that in real life the guy's wife said, "This this what you really want?" before silently accepting it. It was probably much uglier, but the movie doesn't paint it that bad, because that would have made everyone hate the guy right away.

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