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[–]alephenon 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (46子コメント)

Judging from your comments thus far, I think it's pretty clear that you think private interests trump civil rights, so I don't really know what answer you're looking for that doesn't involve changing a lot of laws that we spent a lot of blood and sweat to put up in the first place.

[–]TheEld[S] -3 ポイント-2 ポイント  (45子コメント)

Correct. I believe in civil liberties, not civil rights.

[–]alephenon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

So I guess that leads me to repeat myself...

What answer are you looking for that doesn't involve changing a lot of laws that we spent a lot of blood and sweat to put up in the first place?

[–]TheEld[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I'm not looking for any answer like that.

[–]alephenon -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

So you are only interested in an answer that directly contradicts established law in many states?

[–]TheEld[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

I would have those laws changed, if it were up to me.

[–]alephenon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But it's not up to you.

[–]TheEld[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No kidding, haha.

[–]nsdwight -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (38子コメント)

Civil liberties for wealthy, white, protestant, straight, non-Irish, cis men you mean.

[–]TheEld[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (37子コメント)

No. I mean civil liberties for every human being. Especially since I don't meet those standards.

[–]nsdwight -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (36子コメント)

That's not how it works though. White, rich men have all the power, they get to make the rules if we don't implement civil rights.

[–]TheEld[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (35子コメント)

That's a pretty bigoted statement. I am arguing for rules that treat everyone fairly.

[–]nsdwight -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (34子コメント)

Your "fair" is only favorable to the people with power and denigrating to people without power.

(That's not what bigotry means. You have to be an oppressed group to be bigoted against.)

[–]TheEld[S] -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (33子コメント)

Somebody not agreeing to sell something to you is not oppression. And I suppose I should have said prejudiced, not bigoted.

[–]nsdwight 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (32子コメント)

Someone not selling you something without a good reason is oppression. It's how people have been oppressing other purple for hundreds of years. Telling people where they cannot live, where they cannot eat, and where they cannot drink. It's the very definition of oppression.

It's not prejudice either. It's a fact in most of the western world. White men if the majority religion have all the power.

[–]TheEld[S] 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (31子コメント)

No, it isn't. You can't just go up to someone and ask to buy something from them and claim they are oppressing you just because they don't agree to sell it to you.

And I have not said anything about people choosing where to live, what to eat, what they can drink, etc.

It is an overgeneralization, at the very least. And I don't know what anything has to do with a majority religion having "all the power".