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[–]monsieurartois 492 ポイント493 ポイント  (511子コメント)

I wasn't aware of Tumblr-user social stereotypes, as I use Tumblr primarily for porn.

[–]WhatWeOnlyFantasize 653 ポイント654 ポイント  (510子コメント)

[–]dusters 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (4子コメント)

170 3.8 is better than "consider" for most of those schools nowadays. 50%+ at everything after Chicago, likely in at Columbia.

[–]jtj313 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention, most these schools would accept you, the awards package is where the variables would most likely change.

[–]EqualityMeansEvery1 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

its for applying to a law program specifically

[–]dusters 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Yeah I know that, I'm saying the data is probably outdated a bit. Law schools are scrambling at the top to fill out classes because less people are scoring 170+ because LSAT totals are down and smart people are becoming doctors and engineers instead.

[–]EqualityMeansEvery1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

ofasho

[–]Azr79 140 ポイント141 ポイント  (376子コメント)

this is awesome

[–]WhatWeOnlyFantasize 473 ポイント474 ポイント  (375子コメント)

In America, if you are black, you are allowed into universities over white and asian candidates despite having a much lower grade point average and doing much worse on admission tests, simply based on being black.

If you think this is insane and completely the opposite of racial equality? Well that's racist.

Imagine if at the 100m sprint at the Olympics, they put in a few token white guys for "affirmative action" and to "increase diversity" and gave them a 20m head start. Just to pretend that there aren't objective differences in performance in various tasks among races. We'd say its ridiculous.

[–]Pekkanen02 105 ポイント106 ポイント  (11子コメント)

Treating people based on race is racist!

Complaining about treating people based on race is racist!

[–]dsgiv 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (3子コメント)

acknowledging that someone is a different race is racist.

[–]Pekkanen02 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Exactly! One people! One empire! One f- oh, wait...

[–]MyFacelessVoid 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

rofllll

[–]mormotomyia -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

huh

[–]YourGranny 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (159子コメント)

Even at Harvard Law School, 59% of the incoming class is white. The average GPA is still 3.87, and the average LSAT score is still 173.

I wouldn't say that minorities are taking spots away from anyone. Just in the very top echelons of successful young adults, minorities probably had to overcome a few more barriers to get there.

Also, universities (at least the top 10-20) look at an incoming class as more than just numbers, they want a diverse class with a wide breadth of experiences. A class full of white and asian folks with perfect SAT/LSAT scores would make for a rather dull and homogeneous group.

[–]WhatWeOnlyFantasize 77 ポイント78 ポイント  (17子コメント)

A class full of white and asian folks with perfect SAT scores would make for a rather dull and homogeneous group.

Really? We should just ignore high performance by these students for "less dull"?

Is this the less dull part?

minorities probably had to overcome a few more barriers to get there.

In what way has an Asian immigrant whose family came to the country with nothing and worked hard in school to get a perfect LSAT and high academic scores and learn a whole new language and culture had any less barriers to overcome than a black native-born American?

http://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21635027-does-university-impose-silent-quotas-against-asian-americans-harvard-under-fire

[–]RicePaddySquatter 42 ポイント43 ポイント  (8子コメント)

In what way has an Asian immigrant whose family came to the country with nothing and worked hard in school to get a perfect LSAT and high academic scores and learn a whole new language and culture had any less barriers to overcome than a black native-born American?

This is exactly why the "it's harder for under-privileged (they mean black) people" argument is bullshit. Asian immigrants have it way harder. One of my old roommates was Vietnamese, he was the youngest child and the only one born in the US. His oldest brother is an electrical engineer supervisor for a huge firm and makes a shitload of money. His middle brother is a pharmacist and makes buku bucks. His parents own a jewelry chain in that city and are also very wealthy, and they still barely speak English. They all came here on a shitty boat full of other immigrants fleeing communist Vietnam, and they made a life for themselves here.

I don't see a black kid growing up in Detroit having to overcome the barriers of getting out of their shitty countries or learning a new language. Look at any Asian immigrant, they are working their asses off. I have some for the situation of poor inner-city kids, but their inability to succeed in life is because of their shitty parents and subculture.

[–]ThatUsernameWasTaken 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (6子コメント)

but their inability to succeed in life is because of their shitty parents and subculture.

Which is in part why affirmative action programs exist. To encourage both higher rates of higher education, as well as the social opportunities provided by a university environment, to communities with lower rates of economic and social success.

[–]RicePaddySquatter 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Which is in part why affirmative action programs exist.

And those programs aren't working. People hail it as some "fairness equalizer" but it's literally the exact opposite and isn't doing anything to curb the problems facing black society.

[–]Nick-Cage 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Didn't the chinese build the railways?

[–]BeerSteak 29 ポイント30 ポイント  (2子コメント)

78% of the population in the US is white, which would probably make them underrepresented if you're looking at it that way.

[–]shhhhquiet 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

78% of the population in the US is white,

Definitely not.

White alone, percent, 2013 (a) 77.7%
Black or African American alone, percent 13.2%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2013 (a) 1.2%
Asian alone, percent, 2013 (a) 5.3%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2013 (a) 0.2%
Two or More Races, percent, 2013 2.4%
Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013 (b) 17.1%
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013 62.6%

Because the census's definition of 'white' is based on where your ancestors came from and not your actual skin color, "White" and "Hispanic or Latino" are included in the same master category and then subdivided into 'White: Hispanic or Latino' or 'White: Not Hispanic or Latino.' (The census officially considers people from the middle east 'white' as well, though I think your average racist would disagree.) So in effect a large and rising segment of the people reported as 'white' on the US census are also people of color. Under the definitions used in the Harvard demographics page ('White' as opposed to 'Person of Color') the US is 62.6% white and falling. People under 18 will be majority-minority (that is, more than half of that population will be members of minority groups) by the end of the decade. The whole country will be majority-minority by 2050.

There are also international students to consider: while they don't provide numbers on what percentage of their international students are people of color, students who aren't US residents are 10% of their student body total and more than half of the countries represented are ones where the majority of residents are not white. So it's very hard to say that white students are underrepresented at Harvard.

[–]HotPandaLove 64 ポイント65 ポイント  (15子コメント)

How is a class made more interesting if someone has a different skin color? I highly doubt the black law students are going to break out into rap battles or present their projects in Ebonics.

[–]Kernunno 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It is pretty shocking that a redditor against AA would use a racist term like Ebonics. No wait, it isn't.

[–]Insula92 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

What's racist about the term Ebonics? No wait, nothing.

[–]a_tasty_cake 171 ポイント172 ポイント  (91子コメント)

what makes a class full of white and asian people "dull"?

had to overcome more barriers

like, the barrier of getting the required grades?

[–]skymind 47 ポイント48 ポイント  (60子コメント)

I don't know, some consider the fact that their grandparents and even parents weren't allowed really allowed to integrate in society and were all descended from a long line of slaves a slight disadvantage, but that's just some people.

[–]DogeSaint-Germain 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (6子コメント)

But Asian people had to overcome the same barriers as Hispanics or non-african american blacks yet they are discriminated against because their racial peers perform too well even with those barriers.

[–]blazing_ent 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Try research...do you know the demographics of the majority of the Asian immigrants to America. When you say Asians who do you mean Chinese...Korean...Vietnamese...Indians...et all. What wave of Asian immigrants do you mean?

Edit: words

[–]ZEB1138 121 ポイント122 ポイント  (35子コメント)

You'd think the Irish would get some kind of preferential treatment, but you'd be wrong.

[–]Pelley42 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (10子コメント)

We're pretty good at not looking like a minority though.

[–]ZEB1138 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (9子コメント)

Most people assume that white=privilege.

Barely anyone seems to know how badly the Irish, Italians, or Polish were treated. Heck, I've read "Slav/Slavic" is where the word "slave" came from.

[–]Yomooma 61 ポイント62 ポイント  (9子コメント)

You'd think the Jewish would too, but you'd be stupid. :)

[–]ariheretic 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Literally nobody knows I am Jewish unless I tell them. I look and am treated like any Caucasian person.

[–]hurpington 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Well considering 11% of billionaires are jews when they are 0.2% of the population, id say theyre doing alright

[–]gooooie 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That's because everyone hates the Irish. Oh, and fuck Kyle.

[–]RSD12 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

Since when is 10 years of slight discrimination, followed by 100 years of complete equality, anywhere close to comparable to slavery and institutional racism?

[–]Jatoro 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Right, I forgot about all the Irish slaves.

[–]WhatWeOnlyFantasize 26 ポイント27 ポイント  (3子コメント)

By that logic Jews, Italians, Irish should also get lower entrance score requirements.

[–]a_tasty_cake 41 ポイント42 ポイント  (6子コメント)

i can see how slavery from 150 years ago can inhibit your ability to read from a textbook a few times a week

in the end, it all gets worked out in the dropout rates for top tier colleges

[–]Kernunno 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are ignoring the fact that the US engineered a massive wealth gap between white and black folks after slavery. What is the GI bill and the FHA?

[–]GenerativeSeeds 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Slavery? The civil rights act outlawing racial discrimination wasn't even passed until 1964. Slavery was just an extreme example of the denial of rights, but that wasn't fully resolved until recently. Now people are trying to make up for it with "anti" racist laws.

[–]skymind 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Parents are the first teachers for students. Considering that first freed slaves had a much higher illiteracy rate and that black people weren't accepted into white schools for a longer period after you can see how slavery likely has a much greater impact than you would think on a child's ability to read.

[–]socket2810 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

My relatives weren't slaves and I just study in a good - private - high school because I earned myself a scholarship through tests repeatedly every year. So I guess I had the same difficulties as black/"poor"(poor here means you studied your entire life in public school)/native people (eligible in my country for easier college ingress), however I still need grades 10% better than them.

But I don't know, that's just me who thinks you should earn yourself your education, not be granted it by politicians who would rather hide the problem in public education behind statistics than fix it.

[–]skymind 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But what were the circumstances that enabled you to test highly early in your childhood? Sometimes students can be lucky and break through with early success. The problem is a lot of students aren't seeing that early success and have a lot of other factors that are inhibiting success before high school and by the time they arrive its almost too late. That just continues the cycle. When people start seeing other people like them fail through school, they feel that they can't do it either.

I believe you should earn your education too, but how do you tell that to a 2nd grader? I agree that we need to actually fix the education gap and not put a band-aid on it, but when the wound isn't closing, then removing the band-aid now would be harmful.

[–]FunnyBunny01 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That is mostly true, but I think basing it on race is not entirely fair. There are areas where people are very poor and have to overcome more barriers, and those areas could be likely black majority. Then there are very aflluent areas where the people have everything handed to them on a silver platter, those areas often are white majority. Affirmitive action does mostly help those who need it, but it neglects whites that have to overcome the same barriers as poor minorities, and gives unfair advantages to minorities that don't deserve it.

[–]DubinJohnson 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (22子コメント)

Dull in the sense that they go on to more exclusively work in white and asian communities, probably.

I like the way that Texas phrases this on their medical school applications, which explicitly lists the barriers that minorities more often have to overcome:

Are you a member of the first generation in your family to apply to, attend or graduate from an undergraduate program?

Are you a member of the first generation in your family to apply to, attend or graduate from a graduate or professional program?

Are you a parent or guardian of dependent children?

What do you consider your primary language?

Are you bilingual or multilingual?

You will enter the percentage of your college expenses provided by family, spouse, academic scholarships, financial need-based scholarships, loans, employment, or other sources. The total percentage must add up to 100%.

If you have graduated college, you will also be asked to indicate the percentage of your living expenses provided by family, spouse, employment or other sources. The total percentage must add up to 100%.

You will indicate how many siblings you have, and whether you had a leading role in providing for them.

[–]moeburn 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (21子コメント)

What does any of that have to do with race? At the very least, it sounds like they should be deciding who to provide benefits to based on wealth, not race.

[–]unluckyMRG 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I feel like that's the point

[–]Mathuson 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Some of those questions are much more relevant to certain racial minorities.

[–]CrazyBastard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, yes it does.

[–]jokul 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There are numerous biases we hold, both conscious and unconscious, that affect our ability to judge somebody impartially. The fact that blacks in America are severely over-represented in bad inner-city schools means that they are inherently disadvantaged for no reason other than the circumstances of their birth. If blacks had real access to equal educational and economic opportunities without the rest of society having an innate negative disposition, I would agree that affirmative action might not be ideal.

That being said, you can certainly argue that affirmative action in its current state is not as effective at allowing blacks to overcome institutional disadvantages, such as favoring wealthy and foreign blacks over blacks who are from economically poor backgrounds, but based on your comment I don't think that was your position.

[–]revolverzanbolt 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Isn't Harvard the one who decides what grades are required?

[–]Krog_The_Mighty 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (4子コメント)

WTF? Why would it matter if it's dull? They studied to get those grades, they deserve to go to the school they want to. That's an absurd statement, only the student with the highest grade should be admitted because they deserve it.

[–]YourGranny -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Because there's more to education than just the class you're taking. I graduated from a top 10 school (white btw) and learned WAY more from the people I went to school with than I did from the classes I took. You think people pay 60k a year just to have access to certain classes? They pay that much money to be surrounded by the best and brightest from all walks of life and to be given a truly worldly experience. Your undergrad years are supposed to shape you as a person, not just teach you math/physics concepts that you're going to forget in a few years anyway.

[–]jjtay10 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

minorities probably had to overcome a few more barriers to get there.

b8/10

[–]goldandguns 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (3子コメント)

The (un)funny thing about this is that black students tend to not be prepared for the academic rigors they're being ushered into; that is, they couldn't do the work to get into X law school, but they're let in anyway. Well, all their peers did do the work to get in, and now that student has to compete against that curve. Almost destined to fail.

Before affirmative action there were actually more black lawyers, just fewer black law students. Look up mismatch theory

[–]unsafeword 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There was an Intelligence Squared debate covering this side-effect and much more. It's very much worth a listen.

The debated proposition was "Affirmative action on campus does more harm than good."

http://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/past-debates/item/1054-affirmative-action-on-campus-does-more-harm-than-good

If you get a popover about tonight's debate and it then navigates to the front page, just load the above link a second time.

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    [–]YourGranny 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    GPA was referring to Undergrad GPA, in which case point #2 is irrelevant (unless the applicant went to Harvard).

    [–]OkIWin 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    America is 77% white if you include all nationalities/backgrounds. Non-Hispanic whites are actually ~62% of the population, and that is what is being referred to specifically at Harvard.

    [–]Vayate 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Most of the Harvard students are pretty well-off though, regardless of race. Affirmative action based on race doesn't promote class diversity, just superficial racial diversity. If you want effective AA, it needs to be based on the parents' incomes.

    [–]vs980 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    they want a diverse class with a wide breadth of experience

    Yeah, that's their story and they're sticking to it.

    [–]NotInsane 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Whites are more than 59% of the population, and a huge amount of those "whites" at Harvard are Jewish (Hillel estimates 25%).

    [–]blarbz 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

    Discrimination is not ok.

    [–]sniktawekim 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    I wouldn't say that minorities are taking spots away from anyone.

    isn't 59% disproportionately low?

    [–]artismyhustle 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (56子コメント)

    Just to pretend that there aren't objective differences in performance in various tasks among races.

    Could you cite that objective evidence please?

    [–]WhatWeOnlyFantasize 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (52子コメント)

    Some facts:

    1) Whites on average have a 15 point higher IQ than blacks, across many different studies.

    "There is a long-standing 15 point or 1 standard deviation difference between the intelligence test scores of African Americans and White Americans, though it might have narrowed slightly in the then recent years. The difference was largest on those tests, verbal or non-verbal, that best represented the general intelligence factor (g)."

    Source: American Psychological Association

    2) IQ across different ethnic groups in the US: Blacks have an average IQ of 85, whites of 103, Asians 106 and Jewish Americans 113:

    The study found that the average IQ for African Americans was lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 113, respectively; Herrnstein & Murray, 1994, pp. 273–278)

    Source: University of California and University of Western Ontario

    3) Overall, 18% of Asians have an IQ over 120, 10% of whites do and only 1% of blacks. Nearly 84% of blacks have an IQ below 100, which is slightly below the average IQ for whites. The ratio of white Americans to black Americans who have an IQ over 125 is 30:1.

    The IQ gap between blacks and whites in the United States—15-17 points—has not changed since it was first measured nearly a century ago. Both races’ test scores rose during the century, but the gap remained as large at the end of the century as at the beginning despite considerable social change.

    Source: University of Delaware

    4) For those who claim that IQ tests are biased against blacks and that's why they keep getting lower scores, there are IQ tests like the Raven's Progressive Matrices which don't have any language and rely entirely on visual pattern recognition. It's simply finding patterns in visual shapes. Even then there is a marked difference between black and white IQ scores, not only in America but internationally as well, like in South Africa between white and black engineering students:

    Source: University of Johannesberg

    5) Harvard psychologists took a look at how black children adopted by well off upper-middle class white families at a very young age perform on IQ tests once they grow up in white families with good socioeconomic conditions. Black children adopted by white parents average 89 on IQ tests at age 17 (slightly better than the 85 average for blacks nationally). White children who grew up in the same households and had white biological parents on average scored 109. Even with the same socioeconomic upbringing, the racial IQ gap remains.

    The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study examined the IQ test scores of 130 black or interracial children adopted by advantaged white families. The aim of the study was to determine the contribution of environmental and genetic factors to the poor performance of black children on IQ tests as compared to white children. The studies' general findings were that the IQs of children of a particular race did not differ significantly depending on whether they were raised by their biological parents or by adoptive parents of a different race. The gap between black and white IQ scores remained even if growing up in the same family.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study

    6) East Asian countries have on average the highest IQ scores. African countries have on average the lowest. European countries are generally between the Asian and African countries.

    Source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countries-with-the-highest-lowest-average-iq/

    7) From the higher education achievement perspective: In 2012, the mean critical reading SAT score for college accepted students was 428 for blacks and 527 for whites. For mathematics, it was 428 for blacks and 536 for whites. For writing it was 417 for blacks and 515 for whites.

    Source: US Department of Education

    8) From the elementary education achievement perspective: At both the grade 4 and grade 8 level, there is a persistent achievement gap between whites and blacks in both mathematics test scores and reading test scores in ALL states.

    Source: 2007 US Department of Education National Education Assessment

    9) Intelligence is highly linked to genetics:

    Estimates in the academic research of the heritability of IQ have varied from below 0.5 to a high of 0.8. (where 1.0 indicates that monozygotic twins have no variance in IQ and 0 indicates that their IQs are completely uncorrelated) Various studies have found the heritability of IQ to be between 0.7 and 0.8 in adults and 0.45 in childhood in the United States.

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ#Estimates_of_the_heritability_of_IQ

    [–]artismyhustle 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (18子コメント)

    Now, the first source you cite is err, rather contested within the psychology community, and also a rather old piece of research.

    Most of your links don't factor into socioeconomic background, and the ones that do use dubious methodology. For example, rather than using black children being raised by biological parents in the same socioeconomic background as white children being raised by biological parents you are using adopted black children. Needless to say, I am not sure you can discount the impact adoption may have on a child.

    As for the last link, I am unsure how that would be relevant to a discussion on race.

    I'd also mention that noticing difference in IQ, with all its flaws, does not support your original statement which was:

    Just to pretend that there aren't objective differences in performance in various tasks among races.

    Unless by the broad word "performance" you meant the specific task of IQ tests.

    You also might want to look at this

    Scores on the Wechsler Intelligence Scale for Children were analyzed in a sample of 7-year-old twins from the National Collaborative Perinatal Project. A substantial proportion of the twins were raised in families living near or below the poverty level. Biometric analyses were conducted using models allowing for components attributable to the additive effects of genotype, shared environment, and non-shared environment to interact with socioeconomic status (SES) measured as a continuous variable. Results demonstrate that the proportions of IQ variance attributable to genes and environment vary nonlinearly with SES. The models suggest that in impoverished families, 60% of the variance in IQ is accounted for by the shared environment, and the contribution of genes is close to zero; in affluent families, the result is almost exactly the reverse.

    [–]NotInsane 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    Now, the first source you cite is err, rather contested within the psychology community, and also a rather old piece of research.

    Err, no it's not. There is not any debate in the academic community about whether there is a one standard deviation IQ gap between blacks and whites. What is debated is what causes this gap.

    Needless to say, I am not sure you can discount the impact adoption may have on a child.

    Err, you didn't look at the study. It also shows the IQs of non-adopted children.

    [–]artismyhustle -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    What is debated is what causes this gap.

    That is what I am debating.

    [–]Mathuson 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    Can you explain why heritability changes with affluence.

    I share your views but find that part hard to reason.

    [–]artismyhustle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

    I have absolutely no idea because I am not a scientist and have no formal scientific education (as I suspect is the case with everyone in this thread).

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      [–]tritter211 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

      I mean, if you read through those posts, you will find papers linked there.

      For someone who values scientific analysis, you are too eager to discredit someone for such a flimsy reason.

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        [–]WillemDafuq_ 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

        Reddit cucks BTFO

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          [–]nighttrain27 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I wouldn't argue that facts are racist or even that this is nazi or stormfront propoganda (although I imagine whoever put together this list did it for reasons other than a powerful desire to spread scientific knowledge) but I will argue that using IQ tests or any other type of intelligence metric to chart objective racial intelligence differences is fairly misguided.

          IQ tests and other intelligence metrics usually have very strict sets of methodologies and approaches they use to give us that final result. Determining intelligence isn't an easy feat and as far as I know there are few tests that can fully anticipate or control for the (in my opinion) massive amount of factors that play into our "intelligence". And as far as I know there definitely isn't any consensus in the scientific community on how to really get an accurate reading of almost any aspect of a human being, intelligence level or ortherwise.

          I won't argue that IQ tests mean nothing, just that holding these intelligence metrics up as the final and ultimate indicator of human intelligence is a silly idea.

          Not to mention that nine studies does not by any means make a compelling case for as massive a claim as being made. I would hope to see reams and reams of data meticulously laying out the argument for race being this huge predictive factor in intelligence, as well as consensus for this theory in the scientific community.

          [–]Nick-Cage 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          The problem with the western world is that in order to integrate people of different ethnicity, anti-racism has become the default political agenda. It's like a religion. And because we are very uncomfortable to discover what they might find, we choose what we teach as truth in schools.

          [–]nighttrain27 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          I feel like anti-racism as a default political agenda is a good thing.

          What you're upset about isn't anti-racism (which I imagine is just the general frowning upon of broad negative gereralizations based on race), it's rather how pointing out objective differences between any group of people and another can be and often is misinterpreted as racism, sexism, etc.

          [–]Nick-Cage -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I think it's a good value to uphold, but when it's rhetoric is similar to that of religion it becomes disturbing.

          What we're saying is basically the same. What you call misinterpretation, I call anti-racist agenda.

          Welcome to the Church of Anti-Racism, where everyone is equally smart and athletic, and you're a racist for thinking otherwise!

          [–]Hyperbole_-_Police 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          This is literally racist copypasta. You think they came up with that by themselves? Shits been posted and debunked countless times.

          [–]DrTestificate_MD 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          WOW

          [–]flatcheetah 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          rekt.

          [–]Mathuson -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Correlation does not equal causation.

          Also an indication of how tenuous your evidence is. Plenty of studies have shown that the iq gap is actually decreasing.

          [–]brin722 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (31子コメント)

          On the other hand, most of the whites who get in have parents at home telling them to do their homework, constant food on the table, both parents at home (or in the picture), reliable housing and everything that comes with that, schools with less violence.

          Also, I don't think being opposed to affirmative action makes a person racist. I've never heard a person called racist for being against affirmative action, but maybe I just don't hear it discussed enough.

          I'm neither for nor against, but the arguments for are not weak ones. It could be that there are two students, one white and one black. The white one has a higher high school GPA than the black one, but the black one is more intelligent and has more potential. I mean, how else are students who have barriers throughout high school supposed to get in to college, when they are flooded out by people who haven't had those barriers?

          [–]DataLoreThrowaway 50 ポイント51 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          Doesn't every one of your assertions rely on class rather than race? Why is every black person automatically considered disadvantaged? Don't we already have processes for identifying poorer applicants?

          [–]brin722 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Class, but also culture too. There were some poor people who went to my public school who at least had access to the same decent schooling environment as I did. But I do think that is a good point regardless.

          [–]bookwench 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yeah, no school ever used non-racial criteria to exclude students based on race.

          Part of Affirmative action was meant to stop rich white schools from carefully gaming the system to keep the white in rich and white.

          [–]Militantpoet 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Because for a very long time, race did define class for most racial groups due to institutional racism in certain parts of the country. In this day and age though, we really need to stop talking about race as a hot button issue and focus on the inequalities of socioeconomic classes amd work towards having a more affluent amd productive society. The working class is underrepresented no matter the color of their skin.

          [–]xetal1 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Then the factor to be judged on should be socioeconomic background, not race.

          [–]AddisonsContracture 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          This has been my opinion for years. I have yet to find a downside

          [–]BRedG 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I made that argument before, whoever I was talking to was against it because "that's too complicated"

          [–]TranslationRussian -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          The white one has a higher high school GPA than the black one, but the black one is more intelligent and has more potential.

          Uh, what the fuck? How did you reach this conclusion? "The white student has a higher GPA, higher test scores, but is LESS intelligent and has LESS 'potential' than the black student with a lower GPA and scores...". WHAT?

          EDIT : Yeah, bring the down votes on you racist fucks.

          [–]brin722 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          I'm not saying this always holds true, but I was creating a realistic example. Test scores and grades aren't a reflection of only intelligence. They are reflections of number of hours studied, quality of schooling which includes quality of teachers, also includes environment within the school. Number of hours studied really is a reflection of what home life is like. If your parents never tell you to study and crack down on work then you aren't likely to do it, even if you do have strong natural intelligence.

          I'm hoping that your strong reaction was because you misunderstood the point that I was trying to make, because it wasn't a conclusion, as you called it. It was just a thing that probably happens in certain instances. That is why I began with, "It could be that..."

          If I were saying that whites get better scores, and blacks get lower scores, so therefore blacks are smarter, that's obviously a ridiculous statement.

          [–]TranslationRussian 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (8子コメント)

          Test scores and grades aren't a reflection of only intelligence. They are reflections of number of hours studied, quality of schooling which includes quality of teachers, also includes environment within the school. Number of hours studied really is a reflection of what home life is like.

          This is a giant piece of bullshit.

          We should judge students on how well they do scholastically, not by the color of their skin. What your are trying to imply is socio-economic status affects them, but instead are using race, which is bullshit. Whites make up 1/2 of all food stamp pay outs. Fuck your racist "white's have it easy" bullshit.

          [–]so_sads 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          I'm gonna get called an SJW here, but I think this is worth being said.

          Black people weren't for upwards of 50 years given massive benefits over white people for no reason in running. A lot of times saying "if this happened somewhere else we would call it crazy" doesn't work because, well, there is a reason we call it crazy somewhere else. Giving them a twenty meter head start is ridiculous because that doesn't make sense.

          Now, imagine if for years, white people were neither given the same opportunities as blacks nor the same judges. If every judge who was in charge of admissions into the olympics decided to not let white people in purely because they were white.

          Then after people had attempted to dismantle the institutionalized racism against white people, they decided "Hey, let's let white people get into the Olympics easier to get rid of the uneven divide in racial Olympic participation."

          That would not be considered ridiculous. That would be considered a just thing to do because it is a just thing to do.

          For years black people were not offered the same opportunities in schooling as white people, and the damage that that (and other racial policies against black people) caused is still around today.

          I hope I've done something to change your mind.

          [–]VintageSin 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Offering a reward based upon genetics in any way is not an equal right. Giving a reward based upon it is favoring one over the other. It is racist to favor any race more than the other.

          The reason they are instantly admitted however is simply quota of the majority race is easily filled. The quota for minority races is not easily filled. So they take those who may have not earned it due to this. It's still racism, but there isn't much we can do about it while striving for equality.

          Just as a note heavily black populated colleges instantly admit and give scholarships to white students. One I know of personally is Norfolk State University in Virginia. More because that's where I was raised and it is widely known in the area.

          [–]ez_login 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Okay, and at what point do you think that system should end? After 1 olympics? 2? A generation of athletes?

          Civil rights were granted close to 50 years ago, 2 full generations. When do you think would be appropriate to make things equal again?

          [–]so_sads -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          My argument is that the bad effects of apartheid America are still around. After those effects are dissolved, then the assistance is no longer necessary.

          [–]ez_login 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Okay, and what is a quantifiable metric to determine that?

          [–]so_sads -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I don't know man, I figured that when black people are then afforded all the same opportunities as white people regardless of race, then it can be slowly taken away until it vanishes completely.

          [–]Dnile1000BC 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          What about asians? How come they don't get the same privileges as blacks? There are asian migrants / refugees that work from nothing with no special funding or privileges afford to them. Why do they have to score so highly to get into colleges? In some cases, they even have to score higher than white candidates.

          [–]legbeard_lucy 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I think the core of all these disagreements is actually pretty simple.

          Dictionary definition of Racism = Prejudice based on Race. Feminist / SJW definition of Racism = Prejudice + Power based on Race.

          Dictionary definition of Sexism = Prejudice based on Sex. Feminist / SJW definition of Sexism = Prejudice + Power based on Sex.

          It's a bit of a feminist scam where the world understands and lives by one definition, but they live and operate under another with different implications.

          If you go by dictionary definitions, you actually couldn't be much more racist or sexist than most feminists or SJWs! ...

          Irony to the core..

          [–]futurefeature 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (60子コメント)

          It's an imperfect fix for a problem spanning multiple generations. You can get angry, you could try imagining life as a minority in this country, or you could stop being an elitist prick and only value your worth based on the top law schools in this country.

          (It's also an imperfect fix for the racial issues from legacy student admissions. Whoops!)

          [–]Professional_Ninja7 34 ポイント35 ポイント  (29子コメント)

          Its still not fair for white people who want an education that did perform better academically. Just because he sees it as wrong doesn't make him a fucking elitist prick. Education is a huge fucking deal in determining your future economic status, and I fucking will be pissed if I get denied but someone who did as good or worse than me gets accepted because of the color of their skin. White privilege my ass. Every race has its privedges and while whites might be the majority it doesn't mean we have it easier. We need to focus on equality amongst the races, and that includes removing policies in place only to encourage diversity over merit.

          [–]stillclub -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Eh they make up for it with lesser prison sentences, more likely to get a job etc

          [–]Professional_Ninja7 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I can't help but feel the commonly used statistics used to make these claims are misleading. Statistics can be misinterpreted extremely easy and often on accident. Similar to how people think women make .75 cents for every dollar a man makes, when in reality salary for similar jobs is the same. There are just less women in higher paying positions. I'm not saying your claims aren't true, I just think that they are often exaggerated to push the idea of white privilege and these misleading statistics are used to back it up.

          [–]HotPandaLove 17 ポイント18 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          It's not a fix at all, it's still fucking racist. Just because it's racist in the opposite direction doesn't mean it's an improvement.

          [–]TheOneTonWanton 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          We just need to get rid of "legacy" bullshit. Even in a world with zero race issues it would still be an unfair problem. Nobody should get into any school on anything more than their own merits, so long as we're sticking with this privatized model for universities.

          [–]DifficultApple 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          A lot of your education comes from your social status and your upbringing by your parents. Blacks need a boost to catch up on parental generations because of that whole slavery thing. It's not really that complicated.

          [–]HotPandaLove 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          How long will they need a 'boost' for? We have a black president for fuck's sake. You think an atheist could be president? Fuck no, it's political suicide. Atheists need more help than blacks at this point.

          [–]darkclaw6722 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (18子コメント)

          That's the spirit! Fight racism with racism!

          [–]kleedrac 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Perhaps they should grow the fuck up and earn shit like everyone else?

          [–]ariheretic 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You're one of those people that looks at a bunch of runners lining up for a race and says, "WHAT? Why does the runner in the outside lane get to start so far ahead? This is completely unfair!"

          [–]skymind 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You realize we are not very far removed from when black people weren't even allowed to go to certain schools. The Kent State massacre was in 1970. That's people's grand parents and even parents today that lived in that time. Do you seriously think that didn't have an effect on their upbringing and ability to become educated as quickly?

          [–]ulothekenk 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          As a Turkish (born in Turkey) with working visa as a senior software engineer, can I abuse this URM while apply to high end universities for MBA? I look fairly white tho.

          [–]DubinJohnson -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Sorry, but middle-easterners are statistically well-represented minorities in American colleges. So by definition, you can't be a URM.

          edit: can't be a URM based on race. You might still be one for other reasons.

          [–]hoefler 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          That's not true. Schools ask if you're the first in your family to apply for this kind for program, if you're the first in your family to achieve that level of degree, etc.

          [–]DubinJohnson 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You're so right- he could be a URM based on his socioeconomic status. I forgot about that.

          What I meant was:

          The traditional definition of an "Under-Represented Minority" is African-American, Mexican-American, Native American, Alaska Native, Pacific Islander, and mainland Puerto Rican (see AAMC pre-2003 definitions).

          The US Census bureau defines White as "A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Arab, Moroccan, or Caucasian."

          So, ulothekenk would be considered white for the purposes of admission.

          I couldn't find any single definition of URM for MBA programs, but I would imagine that they would either use the US census data or, like many medical schools, base their definition of a URM on the ratio of minority students of a given race to the representation of that race in the population.

          I wouldn't recommend "abusing" it, one way or another.

          [–]Tables_suck 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          It's also the reason black consistently score lower in classes and have higher dropout rates. When you go to a school you can't handle that's what happens.

          [–]teetotaldog -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          If affirmative action was real you would simply bookmark special resources for additional tuition and assistance for minorities to reach the same standard. Lowering the standars for minorities is simply wanting to have the appearance of helping without actually having to do much.

          [–]1chumofchance1 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          There's a difference between a boarding school 1600 and a chiraq 1450. In terms of an educational sprint, you got kids starting out 20m ahead and affirmative action is helping those who have talent but are behind to catch up.

          [–]gypsyhobo3 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          The head start is the slave economy that elitists have never stopped profiting off of at the expense of all the laborers. Don't pretend you're objective.

          [–]29384752-324-59 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          SJWs and feminists want to do away with meritocracy. Discrimination based on talent, work ethic, and knowledge is "ableism" or "white male privilege".

          http://www.reddit.com/r/AskFeminists/comments/20rame/i_have_recently_learned_that_meritocracy_is/

          [–]idonotwanttoregister 14 ポイント15 ポイント  (11子コメント)

          Holy shit, I had a shot to get into Hardvard.

          [–]NoThrowLikeAway 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Holy shit, I had a shot to get into Hardvard.

          Not with spelling like that, you don't! :)

          [–]idonotwanttoregister 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Isn't called HardVard because is Hard?

          [–]NoThrowLikeAway 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Parkedvard my cardvard in Hardvard Yardvard?

          [–]idonotwanttoregister 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          CarVard 💁

          [–]illy-chan 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          You ever seen what their tuition runs? There's little point in applying there unless you come from money or are likely to get substantial scholarship money.

          Edit: Yes, I know they have a lot of scholarships available but I got the impression that he meamt he'd barely get in. Probably not as many scholarships available there.

          [–]Blozi 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Harvard actually has very good financial aid

          [–]pyroxyze 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Harvard and all good/elite schools will meet 100% of demonstrated financial need through grants (free money, not loans). Even my school, UVA, which is a state school, will meet 100% of demonstrated financial need. They're also need-blind, which means your application will not be looked at less favorably because you may need financial aid.

          [–]Chazwozel 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Harvard has insane funding from alumni contributions. They actually have very good "poor man" scholarships. They want smart alumni.

          [–]crazy_loop 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I doubt you would have passed given you call the place Hardvard.

          [–]idonotwanttoregister 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Isn't called HardVard because is Hard? Harvard doesn't sound that impressive then.

          [–]ReleaseTheFootage 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          I couldn't get into Grad school with 2.967

          [–]qwrty42 32 ポイント33 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          Risky click of the day

          [–]substantianigeria -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Or irrelevant Stormfront post of the day

          [–]EconOverlord 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Interestingly enough, it doesn't take into account that more whites apply to law school, thereby expanding the pool and making it more competitive. We'd also have to assume that this "Law School PredictorTM " is actually accurate and not just some crudely thrown together simulation.

          I'm not saying Affirmative Action is right, but this screenshot is a terrible argument, one that I've seen on 4Chan far too often to give it credit.

          [–]Flowah 28 ポイント29 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Huh.

          Are you me? My exact numbers almost. (Slightly higher GPA than me though)

          The main difference is that I know I'd still rather not be black. Because I know blacks get higher rates on their loans and mortgages, have a harder time finding jobs, get paid less for the same job, get treated like shit more frequently by cops, and a whole host of other problems.

          If the tradeoff was only getting into 3 top10 law schools instead of 8 then I'll take that deal every fucking time.

          [–]ItsMinnieYall 19 ポイント20 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Yup. As a black law student, getting a full ride was literally the first time in my life I felt like being black wasn't a disadvantage. If that's the one good thing that comes from being black then I'll take it, but I'd also enjoy not being pulled over on my majority white campus all the freaking time.

          People think black people get handed everything. We definitely don't. I graduated with a 3.9 GPA but only got $1000 a year in scholarships in undergrad. That's despite applying for everything and having a poor teacher for a mother. I didn't see any benefits from being black until I hit law school, now I get all the money and jobs. Yay for being one of the only 3 blacks out of hundreds of students! /s

          For what it's worth, I earned all of my scholarships and job offers. I'm not one of the minorities trailing at the bottom of their class. Everyone assumes I am though.

          [–]battraman 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          I like how Cornell is Admit on both scales. I also think it's funny they still get a lot of flack for having an Agriculture degree.

          [–]monsieurartois 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          That chart is comparing Law schools, so it has nothing to do with the ag school at Cornell.

          [–]AQUA2 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          I don't get why people make fun of Cornell. Is it a running joke?

          [–]battraman 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          I'm not really sure. A relative of mine went there and he used to mention about all the jokes people made about it and how it was related to the Ag school (the other big schools think of them as bumpkins or something.)

          [–]Shirami 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Ah yes, the scorn of people who believes their produce grows in the supermarket.

          [–]futurefeature -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Agriculture degrees are very important, but why on Earth does Cornell have it? Rooftop gardening?

          [–]Pteryx 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Well, there is a horticulture department there, and the reason they have Ag-related degrees is because there are a ton of farms in New York and elsewhere around the northeast.

          [–]Carrotsandstuff 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          I went to school in that area, albeit closer to Syracuse than Cornell. Agriculture is EVERYTHING up there, and it's a cool environment. I got to study and look out the studio window at a huge green field dotted with cows and forests, not badly maintained apartments. And you go outside at night, and there is no light pollution. A pitch black sky filled with bright stars that you can actually see. Cornell is famous for their law and architecture programs, not their ag, but boy is upstate NY a beautiful place to study.

          What was I talking about again?

          [–]futurefeature 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Derp. I keep thinking Cornell is in NYC, not upstate. You're right.

          [–]AlisherUsmanov 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (59子コメント)

          I hated that shit when I was applying to law school. Id have gone to a much better school had I been able to click that box.

          [–]thepulloutmethod 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          Same here, although that predictor ended up being wayyyy off for me personally. I got into a bunch of schools it said I shouldn't have, and vice-versa.

          [–]AlisherUsmanov 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (9子コメント)

          yeah not having the in-state factor really can skew it. but I still dream of being 1/15th native american and seeing what couldve been.

          [–]YourGranny 9 ポイント10 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Well, being 1/15th of anything would be kind of remarkable; two of your great great grandparents would have to be the same person.

          Second, to actually be raised in a native american environment and be educated enough to attend a top university would be a true accomplishment, considering the Education Levels for Native Americans

          [–]AlisherUsmanov 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          that was supposed to be a joke, stolen from the office, when michael scott says he is 2/15ths native american.

          [–]Wohowudothat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          You could have one great grandfather who got two of your great grandmothers pregnant.

          [–]ZEB1138 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          I am 1/16th native american and have ties to two different tribes. It means absolutely nothing. You need 1/8 or above to get the financial aid and such.

          [–]AlisherUsmanov 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          for law school purposes only, and I am talking admissions, not financial aid, being a card carrying member of a nation or having an identification number is a significant boost. there is no hardline number or percentage,. as it is taken subjectively. Lots of grey areas as far as native american (specifically) is concerned in law school admissions. 1/16th is certainly valid as long as there are other ties and involvement. my advice would be apply to law school.

          [–]ZEB1138 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (3子コメント)

          Huh. Interesting. I did not know that. Doesn't help me much, though. I am mostly done with Pharmacy school. I will keep that in mind if I ever want a law degree.

          [–]AlisherUsmanov 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

          Stick to pharmacy, more jobs and better pay. Congrats on almost being done. Thats some hard shit.

          [–]ZEB1138 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

          Thanks. I was torn between pharmacy and law when I was in high school. Law, unfortunately, seemed a lot harder to establish professionally yourself after graduation. I read you rarely start working as an actual lawyer, even after you pass the bar.

          [–]blarghable 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (4子コメント)

          you'd probably also face way more discrimination in education and searching for jobs.

          [–]DeliciousPaste 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

          Lol no, you're coddled in the former and check a similar box in the latter.

          [–]Foxtrot56 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (39子コメント)

          But you were advantaged in other ways so maybe you wouldn't have had the same credentials when applying.

          [–]AlisherUsmanov 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (36子コメント)

          Yeah, funny thing about the LSAT is that its a logic test. It tests your ability to think logically through complex situations. Its about as objective a test as it gets. Also something to be considered is that I may have attended a better udnergraduate institution had I been a URM. Although I concede you make a good point as far as underpriveleged youth are concerned.

          [–]Foxtrot56 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (10子コメント)

          No one is being handed anything for free, that is a common misconception. You are being compared against people in your demographic, it provides a more equal comparison for everyone.

          [–]quigzig 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (5子コメント)

          Yeah, if I have surgery, I don't want the best of the best, I just want the best of the demographic.

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            [–]Foxtrot56 -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            If you wanna go for the underprivileged youth argument, fine I get that, but don't make this out to be some standard comparison of demographics. If it was it wouldn't be such a contentious issue.

            Well it is. It is hard to look at the numbers and disagree.

            [–]AlisherUsmanov 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            thats a bit conclusory.

            [–]Hillkin 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            Like what? What advantages?

            [–]Foxtrot56 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Probably went to better schools because his parents had access to better housing in better areas with a higher average income and a higher amount of money going to those schools. These schools attract better teachers, have better facilities and supplies, better connections, are more college oriented rather than graduation oriented, is surrounded by college bound people, his parents probably went to college and many other things.

            Of course I am making some assumptions here, but they typically hold.

            [–]fortrines -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            You are less worthy of going to law school than an equally qualified black person.

            [–]Brancher 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

            What if you just clicked it anyway? I know a white girl from South Africa and I know she entered African American during all of her college applications. Is there anything wrong with doing that?

            [–]AlisherUsmanov 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            contrary to popular belief, lying is frowned upon in the legal profession.

            [–]Demokirby 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Hot damn I need to get around to proving my Native American Heritage and get all that sweet sweet school aid. (My Great Grandfather is Blackfoot)

            [–]CheesecakeJukebox 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Is there something like that for medical school?

            I'm not even asking for all the affirmative action stuff here, I'm actually putting together a list of schools to apply to in June and this would be a huge help.

            [–]drilldrive 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Just curious, is it legal to check that box if you are white and are there any repercussions? I say this as a white male.

            [–]chipperpip 5 ポイント6 ポイント  (2子コメント)

            I may find some implementations of affirmative action questionable, but the weekly reddit "white males are the real oppressed minority!" threads are pretty irritating too.

            [–]DataLoreThrowaway 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Nice strawman argument you've got going there.

            [–]ezdridgex 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            So hard out here for white guys. So hard.

            [–]-banana 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            Unless it's Asian/Indian, in which case it goes the other direction.

            [–]untipoquenojuega 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            I love being white hispanic

            [–]FantomImage 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

            What is this from?