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    [–]Aethelric [スコア非表示]  (17子コメント)

    Note that this is /r/SRSDiscussion. Elaborate, please.

    [–]George_Washington23 [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

    He's saying that one of the only actually effective methods of bringing about social change (i.e. organizing people and taking action) is ineffective and that begging your "representative" to stop supporting the capitalist, imperialist, patriarchal system they are a part of is more effective. It's completely ridiculous.

    [–]hajagsz [スコア非表示]  (15子コメント)

    Wow great argument noobtron, you really convinced me with those hot opinions

    (Because OWS and the Black Lives Matter protests were SO effective and working within the system to help LGBT people has accomplished literally nothing right)

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      [–]Heidegger [スコア非表示]  (2子コメント)

      They're right. There hasn't been a successful major protest movement in the USA in the past 30 years. Politicians aren't capital; they don't necessarily do what's worse for the working class in every single situation. They're human beings who serve capital according to a particular style and personal interests. The relative ineffectiveness of pestering your congressional representatives does not follow from the fact (apparently recently discovered by you) that "representatives" in a bourgeois democracy don't really represent the people.

      [–]George_Washington23 [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      There hasn't been a successful major protest movement in the USA in the past 30 years.

      You're right, striking has never achieved significant benefits for working people, and people taking direct action have never accomplished anything.

      [–]Heidegger [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      That's obviously not what I said. But the strike form of protest (as well as other forms of public protest) have been legislated against so they are no longer effective. Marx said it can take years and even decades of organizing and building class consciousness before a movement can succeed.

      [–]greenduch[M] [スコア非表示]  (10子コメント)

      Cut it out with the pointless personal attacks. Jesus, everyone is escalating right out of the gate on this one.

      Also you are absurdly obtuse if you think Black Lives Matter has done nothing to raise visibility of issues.

      [–]oskomena [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I'm not sure what it is about the topic that seems to be so inflammatory. What a weird thread.

      [–]Im_on_a_mobile [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I think it's because it doesn't have a ton of jargon and it's laid out pretty simply. It's much more accessible so more people than usual are willing to put in the effort to comment, and those that are commenting haven't been forced to think as much about the topic (maybe they have thought a lot, it just doesn't seem like a prerequisite). When you spend more time on someone else's opinion I suspect that you're less openly rude and dismissive.

      [–]FaceofMoe [スコア非表示]  (1子コメント)

      I agree that personal attacks in this forum are counter productive and wrong. But doesn't it follow then that you might not want to call someone "absurdly obtuse"?

      [–]greenduch [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      I think theres a significant difference between calling someone obtuse and "great argument noobtron", but point taken.

      [–]sorryaboutthescabies [スコア非表示]  (5子コメント)

      BLM has raised visibility of the issues it raised but really that is about it. BLM was good at stirring controversy in the media but it has done practically jack shit on a governmental level.

      [–]George_Washington23 [スコア非表示]  (4子コメント)

      No, don't you see? Those silly black people shouldn't be out in the streets, they should just stay home and write their representative a polite letter asking them to take care of this whole "systemic racism" business! :]

      this thread is the whitest, most privileged shit I've seen all day

      [–]oskomena [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      We're not all Americans or white in this thread, but it seems like believing everyone that disagrees with you is a white liberal American is an important element of your worldview.

      [–]praxulus [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Are you saying BLM has improved black lives in America? How so?

      [–]ghoti_styx [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Almost everyone in America is privileged to have representation (sorry Puerto Rico).

      You don't have to be white, wealthy or anything else to write to your congressman and have your opinion be heard.

      [–]greenduch[M] [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

      Your comment is removed for not adding anything to the conversation. We require top-level comments in disco to at least say something more substantial than "thats dumb shit".

      [–]MySilverWhining[S] [スコア非表示]  (16子コメント)

      It's coming from a thirty-year member of Congress who consistently advocated for liberal causes including LGBT issues, so he does have some credibility on this issue. He brings this point up in the context of trying to get support from other lawmakers in the battle over the status of gay service members.

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