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[–]cnt422 40 ポイント41 ポイント42 ポイント 17 時間前 (55子コメント)

Okay... sure... Michael Brown and Treyvon Martin were just innocent kids, right. I mean, there's no way they actually attacked their shooters (which is what eyewitness accounts and forensics say) They were just being innocent black teenagers with no history of violence on their record.

All sarcasm aside, I'm not saying these two men deserved to die, and I'm sure as hell not saying the police or Zimmerman were in the right. I'm saying that the two men this image is in reference to, had hands in their own deaths. If they behaved differently they may still be alive today.

In other words, you're choosing the wrong men to be martyrs. There are unarmed black (and white) men killed by the police in this country all the time. I'm not saying every day, but certainly too often to ignore. Choose one of them to make your martyr, do your research, then maybe you'll be taken seriously.

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[–]Safety_Dancer 4 ポイント5 ポイント6 ポイント 10 時間前 (3子コメント)

Where did I say that Zimmerman was a stand up guy, gentleman, and scholar? You do understand it is possible for two assholes to run into each other right? They're not like magnets with the same side pointed at each other.

You do understand that Martin attacked Zimmerman for following him, right?

You do understand that Martin was beating Zimmerman senseless when he was shot in retaliation and desperation, right?

You understand that if they'd both kept walking they'd both be alive, right?

You understand there was a media feeding frenzy about how this poor young angel was hunted and slaughtered in cold blood before the real story came out, right?

This is why no one will ever take /r/conspiracy seriously. Distrust the narrative unless it suits you. "The media is lying to us about everything! The news only tells you what they want you to know so they control how you feel! Except for this one pet project of mine! This time they're telling the truth!"

[–]Mikey_Mayhem -3 ポイント-2 ポイント-1 ポイント 9 時間前 (2子コメント)

Again, you only have one side of the story because the person who could have told the other side, is DEAD.

You only have Zimmerman's account and what little physical evidence of a "senseless" beating. If Zimmerman was being beaten so bad, why was his only "major" injury a small gash on the back of his head? Why didn't he go to the hospital for this "beating"?

Although paramedics gave him first aid, he said he did not need to go to the hospital and sought medical treatment the next day.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/20/trayvon-martin-case-new-p_n_1440283.html

Why did Zimmerman directly ignore the 911 operators instructions to stay in the car?

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/326700-full-transcript-zimmerman.html

If Trayvon "kept walking" Zimmerman would have kept following him for no reason, you understand that, right? That's what Trayvon was doing and Zimmerman kept following him.

If someone is one top of you "beating [you] senseless" how do you manage to grab your gun and shoot someone on top of you?

I like the way you didn't back up any of your claims with evidence or facts. And how you chose to take the side of the person who initiated the entire situation in the first place. If Zimmerman would have listened to the 911 operator and stayed in his car, none of this would have happened. Martin had no juvenile record when he was murdered, only 2 suspensions from school. Zimmerman did and continues to exhibit criminal behavior.

[–]Safety_Dancer 2 ポイント3 ポイント4 ポイント 9 時間前 (1子コメント)

Again, you only have one side of the story because the person who could have told the other side, is DEAD. You only have Zimmerman's account and what little physical evidence of a "senseless" beating. If Zimmerman was being beaten so bad, why was his only "major" injury a small gash on the back of his head? Why didn't he go to the hospital for this "beating"?

Because head injuries aren't necessarily visible. Concussions aren't exactly a rarity when having someone bludgeon your fat head against the ground.

Why did Zimmerman directly ignore the 911 operators instructions to stay in the car?

Because he's an asshole.

If Trayvon "kept walking" Zimmerman would have kept following him for no reason, you understand that, right? That's what Trayvon was doing and Zimmerman kept following him.

And what then? Zimmerman would have squirmed with impotent rage as the master criminal got away unharmed.

If someone is one top of you "beating [you] senseless" how do you manage to grab your gun and shoot someone on top of you?

Never been in a fight I see. It's not impossible to reach for your gun and pull the trigger if the other person isn't trying to restrain you at all. In fact a dumb kid who is bumrushing someone and striking in anger likely isn't checking the guy for weapons.

I like the way you didn't back up any of your claims with evidence or facts. And how you chose to take the side of the person who initiated the entire situation in the first place. If Zimmerman would have listened to the 911 operator and stayed in his car, none of this would have happened. Martin had no juvenile record when he was murdered, only 2 suspensions from school. Zimmerman did and continues to exhibit criminal behavior.

I like the way that you're glossing over the whole media frenzy. I can't wait to see what you do in regards to my repeating that Zimmerman is an asshole. There was no good guy that night.

How about you tell me what you think happened.

[–]Mikey_Mayhem -1 ポイント0 ポイント1 ポイント 6 時間前 (0子コメント)

Because head injuries aren't necessarily visible. Concussions aren't exactly a rarity when having someone bludgeon your fat head against the ground.

Zimmerman didn't have a concussion.

Never been in a fight I see. It's not impossible to reach for your gun and pull the trigger if the other person isn't trying to restrain you at all. In fact a dumb kid who is bumrushing someone and striking in anger likely isn't checking the guy for weapons.

No, just never been on bottom, like I'm guessing you've been many times. From your own statement, you said that Trayvon was "beating Zimmerman senseless" and from Zimmerman's own statement saying that, "Martin punched him in the face, climbed on top of him and slammed his head into the sidewalk."

So if someone is straddling your torso and slamming your head into the sidewalk, you can grab a gun (presumably from your waistband), chamber a round, bring it forward and shoot someone in their chest??? Call your Mom to your room and try to act that out and see how it goes.

There was no good guy that night.

Yeah, but one guy got murdered because one guy tried to be a hero for no reason. And as far as the "media frenzy", who gives a fuck about what the media has to say? You're the one who brought up the "media frenzy" and how "the real story came out", which is bullshit. When there are 2 sides to the story and you only hear one because the only person who can give the other side is dead, you only hear half of what happened.

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It is the specific usage of a young man in a hoodie on the news footage that brings Martin to mind for me.

I also never claimed to be a forensic expert, I said that forensics in both cases (as seen through court footage on television) pointe to both young men having attacked their shooters. And I specifically mentioned George Zimmerman in my first post. I never said Martin was shot by an officer.

And to bring it back full circle, I did mention the numerous other cases of young, truly innocent men of all races being shot by police officers, this is far from just a black problem.

Go back and read my first comment again, I know it's as long winded as this one, so given your reading comprehension, I recommend taking a long look at it.

And it would be Ms. Forensic expert, if I held the title.

[–]ThatAgnosticGuy 1 ポイント2 ポイント3 ポイント 12 時間前 (3子コメント)

It is the specific usage of a young man in a hoodie on the news footage that brings Martin to mind for me.

Your entire argument is irrelevant because it is very shallow. Saying that the issue of oppression being "taken seriously", as you put it, rests on who has the most politically friendly martyr is counter revolutionary because even if it is implemented, it offers no real change. Just look at Dr. King in the 60's. You're telling people to pick a different dead body to rally behind as if that changes anything in the long run. You're even throwing Mike Brown out in the air for some reason. This isn't a reference to one or two men, it's a reference to a racist oppressive force on blacks in America.

I also never claimed to be a forensic expert, I said that forensics in both cases (as seen through court footage on television) pointe to both young men having attacked their shooters. And I specifically mentioned George Zimmerman in my first post. I never said Martin was shot by an officer.

We all know what has been said about Brown. The thinking this post is trying to invoke is in no way rallying behind Mike Brown for the sake of Mike Brown. It is not tailored to him and Martin. That's all pointless squandering that has helped tunneled the vision of America. You can place any black child in that picture and the message would not change. This is a rally behind the reality that blacks face in a racist America regardless of their conduct.

Go back and read my first comment again, I know it's as long winded as this one, so given your reading comprehension, I recommend taking a long look at it. And it would be Ms. Forensic expert, if I held the title.

I know exactly what you said and it's just as flawed now as it was then.

[–]cnt422 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 12 時間前 (2子コメント)

I have never faced any oppression from the police in regards to my race. The people doing the most harm in this country to young black men are other young black men.

To say this is just a police issue, or just a black issue, is severely shortsighted. A lot of black men who are "oppressed" by the police are creating the problem themselves, whether by being violent, being drug dealers, or being gang members. This applies to almost every minority. It's not just because cops are racist.

many minorities are raised in environments where they are forced to fend for themselves because no one is actually doing anything for them. This is not bred by police oppression, but by the minority status itself.

If you are rich and white in this country you can buy your way out of anything, and this country was born on the backs of the rich and white.

So don't rally behind just the men who are shot and recieve media attention, rally behind the faceless minorities who are shot every day, and think about why they are shot.

[–]ThatAgnosticGuy 0 ポイント1 ポイント2 ポイント 12 時間前 (1子コメント)

I have never faced any oppression from the police in regards to my race. The people doing the most harm in this country to young black men are other young black men.

You need to further ask why that is the case. What external pressures have been placed on black men in America that causes that damage, and how can we relieve this pressure so that blacks can start to reform and heal their communities.

To say this is just a police issue, or just a black issue, is severely shortsighted.

I agree. It is an issue of the systematic racist oppression America has implemented since it's inception.

A lot of black men who are "oppressed" by the police are creating the problem themselves, whether by being violent, being drug dealers, or being gang members. This applies to almost every minority. It's not just because cops are racist. many minorities are raised in environments where they are forced to fend for themselves because no one is actually doing anything for them. This is not bred by police oppression, but by the minority status itself.

The beginnings of many gangs in the Los Angels and Chicago areas were rooted in the face that blacks were not allowed to be a part of institutions such as boy scouts and turned to the street. Many of these gangs were made in response to police and citizen brutality. This is the fending for themseves that you're talking about. To say that is bred by "the minority status itself" is circular logic. What bred that statue for the minorities? It's racist oppression. That manifests economically, militarily, judicially, or in any institution that the oppressor creates.

If you are rich and white in this country you can buy your way out of anything, and this country was born on the backs of the rich and white.

This country was made on the backs of African slaves.

So don't rally behind just the men who are shot and receive media attention, rally behind the faceless minorities who are shot every day, and think about why they are shot.

They are shot because they live in a system that is unfit for their existence as a whole. We are not rallying behind faces of shot boys or men the rally is behind the lives of blacks altogether, or faceless minorities as you put it. The idea of Black Power is nothing new and it has not died.

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What the fuck are you talking about you ignorant fucking shit. Michael Brown's case is debateable, but Trayvon Martin was an innocent kid who was MURDERED by an older larger thug who has been arrested multiple times since then. The prosecutor on the case is a racist who with held evidence. Zimmerman's story had more holes in it than swiss cheese. He claimed his head was being beaten into the side walk, and later asked if he moved the body after he shot him. The body was 20 feet from the sidewalk! He said his gun was in the back of his pants, and he was on his back, and Trayvon was on top of him, and Trayvon reached for his gun? How the hell does that work? You are obviously a right winged racist who wants to believe this black teenager had to be a bad apple. Please choke on your own tongue soon.

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My narrative of what? How does anything I said have to do what you said about me? I said there is no evidence that Brown attacked Wilson first. I NEVER said Wilson was a racist that killed Brown for no reason. I said only what I said and that's it. So shut the fuck up.

I'm not talking about other cases because the OP started this by talking about Brown and Martin. So I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

Notice how everything you write is filled with assumption and subjectivity. The grand jury said there was not enough evidence to try Wilson of murder. That doesn't mean shit. It was a bunch of subjective, biased human beings that weren't even at the scene who decided that there was not enough evidence to say what exactly happened.

THERE IS NO PROVEN CASE THAT BROWN ATTACKED WILSON FIRST. THAT IS MY ONLY POINT.

Jesus Christ. You guys just jump to the conclusion that you want to believe in.

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I don't think you understand what "beyond a reasonable doubt" means. Or the word "evidence".

Before that piece of evidence was revealed, Brown's friend, Dorian, who was walking with him before the incidence, said that the officer pulled Brown by the neck into the car through the window, threatening to shoot him, then shot him. After Brown was shot once, they both started running. Then the fatal shots occurred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQeni0qt8Vo

I'm not saying Dorian's story is true. I'm saying that the residue and gun shot inside the car corroborates the story that Brown attacked the officer through the window, and also that the officer pulled Brown into the car and shot him.

Also note that a lot of the investigation processes were noted to be unorthodox. That raises some suspicion. What OP said about witness reports backing Wilson is totally false. There are reports backing both stories. And witness reports are not real evidence. The gun residue on hands and inside the car is not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that Brown began the conflict.

You haven't presented a single piece of evidence that proves Brown attacked Wilson first.

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You're a goddamned lunatic if that's what you took away from anything that you've read. You're doing that thing crazy people do where they ignore everything around them that goes against what they think.

Both of them made the mistake of using their bare hands to kill someone who had a gun and the will to use it. There is no grand conspiracy there. A couple of young men thought they were invincible and didn't understand they weren't. Should they have died isn't the question; should they have attacked the guy with gun is the question.

The point is that there are plenty of people who aren't shrouded in controversy to point to when discussing police brutality. But buying into the media frenzy of white guy kills black guy is what you're hellbent on because it feeds into whatever conspiracy is rattling around in your head.

I am not trying to convince you extra judicial executions are ok. If I was ok with them, why the fuck would mention Kelly Thomas or Eric Garner? Answer that one you disingenuous, sanctimonious, smug, son of a bitch.

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