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submitted by Chahlz
If you are unaware there was a recent kerfuffle on twitter between two users (@CHOBITCON and @sophiaphotos) and sophia started to make some serious false accusations about chobit. Randi, to my actual surprise came to chobits defense, and because of this, she has received quite the shit storm has been documented by a user that happens to be currently banned here, which is a little irrelevant.
Back to the matter at hand, thoughts on all this? I think the entire thing is ridiculous. Yes I know chobit posted something in bad taste but should it have gotten as out of hand as it has? Is it really fair to treat Randi like this?
TW: Mention of rape, transphobia and abuse.
Documentation in question there are a few images to give context and then seven collages of what has been happening to randi because of her defending against false accusations.
all 66 comments
[–]to_the_buttcave☭☭Cultural Marxist☭☭ 5 points6 points7 points  (0 children)
While she was misguided in jumping into a trans community issue she has since made a personal, private apology as confirmed by Sophia herself.
So yes, if Randi made such an apology, she herself believes she was in the wrong, that's what an apology is. Mistakes were made and words were misinterpreted, and the fallout of that was hella ugly with trolls piggybacking on the nuanced criticisms to get an angle of attack on both Randi and Sophia.
[–]WizeOaldOwlAsexual White Knight 11 points12 points13 points  (2 children)
People are seriously overreacting. Not once did she defend Chobit's actions. She only called unacceptable behavior of a supposed ally what it is: unacceptable. We don't need these witch hunts. In no way are they helping fight against harassment. Hopefully people calm down and think clearly for a second.
[–]jaddeo 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
She only called unacceptable behavior of a supposed ally what it is: unacceptable.
Sophia was a trans woman calling another trans woman out. She was calling out someone within her own community, calling her an "ally" is messed up.
We don't need these witch hunts. In no way are they helping fight against harassment. Hopefully people calm down and think clearly for a second.
Accusing someone of rape after having previously conversed with said rapist's victims =/= a "witch hunt". Calling out rape doesn't actually have to help you out in the fight against harassment because rape is pretty fucking shitty on its own. Not everything is about GamerGate or fighting GamerGate, I can assure you that people like Chobitcon can be shitty people outside of GamerGate too.
[–]WizeOaldOwlAsexual White Knight 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
When I said "ally", I meant "ally" in social justice, not the trans community. When I said witch hunt, I meant the witch hunt against Randi, not Chobit. You misunderstand my point. If these accusations of rape turn out to be true, I will absolutely condemn Chobit for it. As it stands, I do not know. What I do know is that we don't need to be throwing Randi under the bus for this. It's not helping anyone.
[–]Caelrie 8 points9 points10 points  (0 children)
Harassment and doxxing are never ok. I expect you'll find that to be the default position here.
I dunno what went on, because I can't be assed to wade through twitter. I hate twitter. Twitter reminds me of high school, and not in a good way.
[–]_rhetz_Super Joss Whedon 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Amazing that the "don't do shitty things to people just because they're doing shitty things" mentality isn't more popular online.
[–]fluffywhitethingOfficial morality officer of the institution of social justice 3 points4 points5 points  (1 child)
Twitter is a bad forum to have discussions/debates. I think a lot of this is people talking past each other in short segments rather than to each other in any meaningful dialogue. Neither side is really understanding what the other side is saying.
[–]FEMAcampcounselorDARPA Chief 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Pretty much, some GG critics on twitter like to shit on ghazi, but twitter isn't any better as a platform.
[–]TellahTruth 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I think Randi is an individual that can stand up to shit she sees if she wants to. I don't know if there's any substance to the rape allegations, but if there is, I hope someone will eventually come forward with more information.
There are plenty of things you can actually point to regarding how twisted CHOBIT is, but not every accusation leveled at someone is necessarily accurate. Jumping from "she's an apparently awful, cruel human being" to "she's raped multiple women" is a bit absurd.
I hope that, if the accusation is true, more will come out and she will face some kind of accountability, but for the moment, I'd say it's understandable for people to be cautious and for Randi to speak for herself on whether she thinks statements like this are okay.
[–]WizeOaldOwlAsexual White Knight 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
Fucking... GAH! This too? What the absolute fuck is wrong with people?!
[–]IndifferentOstrichI WILL NOT STOP UNTIL ALL GAMES ARE ABOUT PMS 16 points17 points18 points  (13 children)
If there can be one thread on KIA about randi that leaves her weight out of it, I will eat several hats
[–]Chahlz[S] comment score below threshold-11 points-10 points-9 points  (12 children)
Calling her a whale is a bit in bad taste, I have gained a bit of respect for her out of all of this tbh.
Because I totally didn't call my own self out on it being in poor taste.
[–]FEMAcampcounselorDARPA Chief 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
a bit in bad taste
Ya think?
Fuck you and fuck gamergate 5ever.
[–]Moriarty42Hence The Prepared Sock 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I dunno boss, in this case I'd suggest we tick in over to 6ever and a side of g00d r1dance.
[–]samjak☭☭Cultural Marxist☭☭ 11 points12 points13 points  (6 children)
Yeah gee, thank goodness you crossed it out with a little line there and "called yourself out" in the same post, that totally excuses it.
[–]Chahlz[S] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (5 children)
I'd go and apologize to Randi but I'm blocked.
[–]IndifferentOstrichI WILL NOT STOP UNTIL ALL GAMES ARE ABOUT PMS 11 points12 points13 points  (4 children)
now why would she block an upstanding supporter like yourself?
/s
[–]Chahlz[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points  (3 children)
because I follow x number of people on a specific list making me guilty by association, I hardly post about GG related things on my twitter. I just happen to be following the wrong people.
I even tried to appeal but got denied on the grounds of being a 'sealion' for asking a single question about the poor treatment of some 'proGG' members.
oh wait, you're being sarcastic, silly me. Just disregard all of that because I'm a terrible monster.
[–]StoicSophistThe ethicyest ethicer that ever ethiced. 9 points10 points11 points  (1 child)
because I follow x number of people on a specific list making me guilty by association, I hardly post about GG related things on my twitter. I just happen to be following the wrong people.
I think that the fact you instinctively included a dig at someone's weight for absolutely no reason indicates that following those people is a pretty good indicator of poor behavior.
[–]samjak☭☭Cultural Marxist☭☭ 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
"I only follow all these people on Twitter and post the same things that they do insulting the same people, that doesn't make me GUILTY or anything"
[–]khantron 10 points11 points12 points  (0 children)
because I follow x number of people on a specific list making me guilty by association...
No, it makes you normal guilty.
[–]IndifferentOstrichI WILL NOT STOP UNTIL ALL GAMES ARE ABOUT PMS 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
Right, and as soon as you disagree with her again, it'll be back to whale
[–]Chahlz[S] comment score below threshold-6 points-5 points-4 points  (1 child)
That's rather presumptuous.
[–]StoicSophistThe ethicyest ethicer that ever ethiced. 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Why? You had no problem calling her that before she said something you agreed with?
[–]necrite28""""On Paper"""" 10 points11 points12 points  (2 children)
i think what randi's been doing is good and whomever is attacking her for it needs to really calm down
[–]srhbutts 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
we need to stop conflating nuanced, calm & rational critiques of behavior with personal attacks. no one should be attacking randi in a cruel, malicious or personal way, obviously. but that doesn't mean no one can critique her decisions and actions.
i don't know where i stand on the whole issue. it's complicated and messy on all sides. but i want people to be able to discuss it without treating criticism as a personal attack. and i don't want ghazi vilifying anyone that criticizes randi's actions, assuming they're doing it in a responsible manner.
[–]TellahTruth 4 points5 points6 points  (0 children)
Yeah, I'd say some folks have put some GG targets on a pedestal from criticism, when really they're just people like any of us. That you or they are more prominent targets hurt by this nonsense doesn't change how none of us chose to be involved in it.
GG happened, and we've all tried to manage it as best we can. There may be some shared opinions at times, in part because of the kind of people GG tends to go after(progressives, feminists, women), but we're all ultimately different people unwillingly shoved into the situation together.
I will certainly be critical of anyone harassing Randi or someone else, but as you said, being able to criticize one's actions is still quite important. "e-celeb" or otherwise, we're all people, and we're gonna have issues at times. That's something we should criticize and discuss, not simply lash out against or discourage talking about.
[–]EthicsInSTFU 5 points6 points7 points  (4 children)
This is a KIA member trying to start shit and drive a wedge in Ghazi.
[–]TellahTruth 7 points8 points9 points  (2 children)
Hopefully that's relatively obvious to most people seeing this.
Regardless of the intents of this post, it's true that Randi appears to have received crap from some people, and it's worth discussing the fact that, regardless of how awful someone is, it doesn't necessarily mean all accusations toward them will be true. I highly doubt Randi is buddying up with CHOBIT after all she's done; she's just personally disagreeing with something she doesn't think is right.
If the allegation turns out to be true and someone comes forward, hopefully CHOBIT will face some kind of accountability. Until then, caution about it is probably the best course.
[–]JustashmuckAnti-Gamer 1 point2 points3 points  (1 child)
Randi made I think 3 tweets directly to CBC after being mentioned and thanked by her, one of which being to the effect of "Man, my mentions right now" and loads of people decided to call it acting like BFFs.
Is it kind of shitty looking to share a chuckle with an abusive person over the current shared experience of people flipping the fuck out in your mentions? I think it is, but people are seriously acting like Randi's inviting CBC out to brunch or posting selfies with her like she did with Zoe a few weeks back.
[–]TellahTruth 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I don't know who is acting like they're best buds(haven't seen anything here), as it's pretty apparent that would be absurd, but sure, I think there's room to criticize how she's responded to it if someone wants to. Considering who we're talking about, I'd understand not wanting to be within a thirty-nine and a half foot pole of her, but that's me. We're all different folks, and we're gonna have different approaches to situations like this.
Hopefully people will attempt to be reasonable in their criticism of Randi if they have any and the truth regarding the accusation against CHOBIT become more clear soon.
[–]jordhaYour Daily Reminder That #ComicGate Isn't A Thing. 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
THE DRESS IS BLUE AND BLACK
[–]30kpscan actually define "ethics" 6 points7 points8 points  (0 children)
Sometimes Randi comes off as too aggressive for my taste (really 30kps, after the whole Noah thread you claim to not like aggression? lol) but I support her 100% here. Critiquing your allies/in group is very difficult and often times communities either don't police or over police. I think the test of a true liberal/progressive is when you support someone's rights when they don't respect yours. It shows a lot of character, so space unicorn happy waves going out to her right now!
[–]JustashmuckAnti-Gamer 5 points6 points7 points  (1 child)
Thanks to twitter last night/this morning I have learned: calling someone a serial rapist with nothing to lend credence to your claims is fine if they're a shitty edgelord, but if you say that's a bullshit thing to do you are literally Hitler and Satan combined. Also it means you are BFFs with them now
[–]jaddeo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Wow, your post managed to completely lack any nuance at all.
[–]Casey234Figuratively Who 6 points7 points8 points  (2 children)
So Sophia Banks is threatening to doxx someone? Yeah, that's utterly unacceptable and should be called out.
[–]-ALL-CAPS-MANI'M A CAPS MAN 3 points4 points5 points  (0 children)
NO, SHE IS NOT. SHE EXPLICITLY SAID SHE WAS NOT GOING TO DOXX ANYONE BUT WAS NOT AFRAID TO GET THE POLICE INVOLVED.
[–]srhbutts 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
she didn't say she was going to dox someone. she said in a somewhat ambiguous way that she had chobit's personal info-- people interpreted that as meaning she was threatening to expose that info publicly on twitter, but followup tweets within minutes clarified she was referring to using that info to go to the police.
[–]IndifferentOstrichI WILL NOT STOP UNTIL ALL GAMES ARE ABOUT PMS 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Chobit is vile but threatening anyone with doxxing like this is super duper fucked up.
[–]supertrashbros 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
I haven't been keeping up and I don't know who most of these people are but it's (funny? interesting? frightening? pick one) how the megaton insult that's being tossed around is "you're acting like GG".
edit: while it makes me sad to see people who I like fight, it's a reminder that """anti-gg""" is not a cohesive thing. The people who have been targeted by gamergate for abuse– and the people who are vocally opposed to the abuse leveled at others– have no shared ideology to bind them together, are not working to a common goal, and just generally are not a movement.
Interpersonal conflict, drama, whatever- this is all stuff that exists with or without gamergate supporters fucking everything up.
edit2- just noticed the OP is a gator trying to stir up drama, oh well
[–]Sourpowerpete 0 points1 point2 points  (9 children)
Would just like to mention that it wasn't just false accusations, but Sophia might (she could be lying) have CHOBITCON's personal information and she threatened to get the cops involved. I don't know how anyone can support that. I'm going to bed now, however, and won't have time to discuss this with others until the conversation has likely already died down, so sorry to anyone replying to me.
[–]TellahTruth 2 points3 points4 points  (8 children)
If they're false accusations, that's not alright. But if they turn out to be true, then it's understandable to attempt to get the police involved.
It would be ridiculous to release her personal information online, if that's what's implied, but if she means she knows who she is and is interested in getting the police involved, that would make sense. Rape is a serious crime, and while police tend to not take rape as seriously as they should, I'd hope that, if this accusation is true, she would eventually be held accountable for it.
For now, I think people's caution over it is wise.
[–]Brass_Eye 2 points3 points4 points  (4 children)
Imo, if Sophia has some kind of evidence that Chobit is indeed a rapist, then sitting on it and threatening instead of actually going to the police is a pretty shitty thing to do.
[–]TellahTruth 5 points6 points7 points  (3 children)
It depends. If it's something a victim told her, that's up their discretion. I'm not sure why she'd bring it up on Twitter, but she may have her reasons. Until we know more, it's genuinely hard to say.
For now, if someone wants to be critical of CHOBIT and the many that still follow her for some reason, there's plenty of obvious things to point to without including this particular accusation.
[–]Brass_Eye 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
Yeah, Chobit is a pretty disgusting human being already, we don't really need rape accusations to see that. GG did something similar to srhbutts not too long ago, accusing her of being a rapist despite not even knowing her identity. Wasn't okay then and isn't okay now.
However, if these (very serious) accusations are true, then police need to get involved. I feel that just airing this out on twitter is a highly irresponsible thing to do. I know it's possible that a victim(s) requested it not to go to police and that would be totally understandable. But then mentioning this publicly would be even worse. People shouldn't be using law enforcement as a threat, in my opinion. If she is a criminal she needs to face consequences for it. What bothers me is how many are willing to just buy this at face value immediately only because she's a shitty person.
[–]TellahTruth 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
I haven't personally seen many take it on face value, but since it's the Internet, I imagine that's likely the case with some.
In this instance, I can simply suggest that people criticize Randi in a reasonable manner if they disagree with her, as the regular, fallible person she is, and be cautious until there is more information.
[–]Brass_Eye 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
I agree completely. I wish more people could have been more calm and rational about this rather than jump to conclusions (like Randi is now BFFs with Chobit). Because, of course, it is okay to disagree with her on this.
[–]shhhhquietPissed Misamdrist 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
If they're false accusations, that's not alright. But if they turn out to be true, then it's understandable to attempt to get the police involved.
The right way to get the police involved when you think a crime might have occurred is to actually contact them, not 'call out' the possible perpetrator on Twitter and use the cops as a threat to coerce them into engaging with you.
[–]TellahTruth 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
That depends. As I mentioned to someone else, it could be frustration over the harm of people she knows. It's a difficult situation to be in, and I hope that, if it's false, she'll drop it and, if it's true, a victim will come forward and give a better idea of what happened.
[–]jaddeo 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
LOL This is rape for God's sake.
Not everyone is going to go to the god damn police especially as trans women against other trans women. Not every rape can be "proven". Some victims don't want to go through the court system or to the police at all for good reason.
[–]Mad_Scientist212 1 point2 points3 points  (0 children)
The whole situation is all kinds of fucked up, and I don't know where I stand.
When all the shit went down yesterday, I saw a little bit of the beginning, before I had to step out. And what I saw was Sophia Banks suddenly accusing Chobits of rape, an accusation I had never heard before. Harasser, abusive sender of death threats, all around piece of crap, all those I'd heard, and I'd been able to personally verify them all myself just by looking at her twitter, But rapist? That was new. And it made me wonder where Sophia was getting rapist from.
And then Sophia started making tweets like this:
Now, I ask you, all of you, can you honestly say that doesn't sound like a dox threat? Can you honestly say that if, say, a gater did that, you wouldn't think it a dox threat? Can you say that if the target wasn't a piece of crap like Chobits, you wouldn't look askance at someone suddenly accusing a person of rape and then tweeting like that?
Now, I know that a few minutes later, Sophia tweeted that she had no intention of doxxing, and implied the threats were related to getting the police involved. But that makes no sense. If Sophia had enough info to go to the police, then she should already be doing so. Unless the victims asked her not to. But if that's the case, she can't go to the police without betraying the trust of the people who confided in her, so what good do threats about knowing Chobits address do? Given the whole context, despite the "I have no intention of doxxing you", those very much seem like dox threats to me.
And so, I cannot in any way blame Randi for thinking that those were dox threats. It was perfectly reasonable she saw them that way. Heck, I still kind of see them that way myself. Where Randi fucked up was apparently not looking at, or not fully realizing, the original context of Sophia's accusations.
Before making those tweets, the previous evening, Sophia had tweeted about how Chobits seemed a pretty fucked up and dangerous person. And then the next morning she tweets out a "general community warning" saying that some trans people had confided in her how Chobits had abused her.
In other words, these rape accusations didn't just come out of nowhere. They weren't "accusations with no victims" or whatever. People, apparently afraid to speak up themselves (and you can you blame them) told Sophia so that she could warn the community. Or at least that's what Sophia is saying.
And that is... well, kind of a complicated situation. Accusations without ANY specifics like that could easily be used to libel/slander innocent people, and so they make me uncomfortable, but at the same time, warning a fairly small and interconnected community about an abuser is obviously important, and it's perfectly reasonable for victims to not want to publicly expose themselves and risk further abuse, and it's perfectly reasonable for Sophia to share their warning for them.
So Sophia fucked up by talking about Chobits' address and how much personal info she knew, because of course that was gonna be interpreted as a dox threat (or worse, potentially) since if she was in a position to use that info to get the police involved she'd already be doing so.
And Randi fucked up by not understanding the full context of what was going on, and being too dismissive about the initial accusations and the reasons for them.
And well, just a few hours ago, Sophia tweeted that "for the record Randi apologized to me." https://twitter.com/sophiaphotos/status/583817813741150208 And so, in a better world, the situation would be resolved and everyone would be happy.
Unfortunately it's not a better world, and here's where things get really unfortunate. A lot of people were unhappy with Randi's tweets, and I don't fully blame them for being angry at her not understanding the full context of what Sophia was doing. But some went way too far, accusing her of being "buddies" with Chobits over nothing. Some started digging through Randi's tweet history, calling her "scum" because apparently there are some vague unspecified aspects of Obamacare Randi doesn't like.
And some told Randi that it didn't matter if the rape accusations were true, because Chobits was such a piece of shit. This pissed off Randi, who said they were trivializing rape by saying such things. And then these comments get taken out of context, and people seem to think that somehow Randi was accusing Sophia of trivializing rape, and the whole mess spirals out of control, and suddenly half my twitter feed is snidely subtweeting the other half.
And so it's a mess, and the worst part is, most of the people involved are, from what I can tell, sincere and with the best of intentions, it's just that misunderstanding built upon minor fuck ups built upon further misunderstanding built upon further fuck ups built upon twitter telephone to turn everything into crap.
I just want to give everyone on my feed a big hug and show them pictures of cute kittens, but it's probably not gonna work.
[–]jaddeo 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
As someone who has followed Sophia Banks on Twitter for one or two years now, I have full faith that she isn't throwing baseless accusations against Chobit. She isn't here to smear a GamerGate member, and she's not here to make someone look bad. Sophia has most likely communicated and worked with people who were previously raped by Chobit. I honestly don't think it's such an outrageous idea to believe a GamerGate member can be a rapist after all the shitty things they do to people without their consent.
I wish people would stop acting like Sophia shouldn't call someone out because she doesn't have cold hard evidence. Rape is really hard to prove and it's also really hard for victims (especially trans women) to come forward about. Law enforcement isn't built for protecting rape victims sufficiently, they're actually known for being harmful and abusive towards victims.
Sophia previously called out Lauralai who used to be redditor out as a rapist too. Now there are plenty of stories out there shared by people who have come forward about Lauralai being rapist and a pedophile. People should really understand that a Twitter callout is one of the few things that many rape victims have left at this point, and it's also a way to warn people to stay away from that person.
I really wish this thread had more nuance to it. This is an issue about someone being a potential rapist who just happens to be a part of GamerGate. There is no war or fight between Sophia or Randi, and they are both adults capable of working through things. Law enforcement is not the way to go for many rape victims for many reasons.
[–]ElephantAmore 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Nice try. Go back under your rock, Chahlz, with all the other vermin.
[–]EditorialComplexActual GameJournoPro 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
Oh, give it a rest. Whether or not they're a KiA poster, this IS something going on, and this is someone ostensibly on our "side" being pretty shitty and other people on our "side" attacking the one calling her out for it.
[–]-ALL-CAPS-MANI'M A CAPS MAN -3 points-2 points-1 points  (9 children)
I DON'T AGREE WITH THE WAY RANDI HAS BEEN TREATED IN SOME SENSE--PEOPLE HAVE JUMPED TO STRAIGHT UP ATTACK DOG RELATIVELY QUICK.
BUT I DON'T THINK RANDI IS IN THE RIGHT HERE EITHER.
I JUST FIND IT HARD TO FIND MUCH SYMPATHY FOR SOMEONE WHO'S DEFENDING SOMEONE WHO HAS REPEATEDLY THREATENED TO MURDER TRANS PEOPLE AND TRANS WOMEN ESPECIALLY, AND HAS GONE OUT OF THEIR WAY TO HARASS THEM.
I ALSO THINK SHE MISREPRESENTED OR MISUNDERSTOOD SOPHIA BANKS.
I'M NOT THE MOST ARTICULATE ABOUT THIS BUT I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD ARE IMMEDIATELY JUMPING ON THE "DEFEND HARPER" TRAIN BECAUSE "SHE'S THE ANTI-GG FIGUREHEAD, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO STAND BEHIND HER."
I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY OF GOING ABOUT THINGS, AND I THINK SHE DESERVES SOME CRITICISM FOR THE WAY SHE HAS HANDLED THIS AS WELL AS SOME OTHER ISSUES.
I ALSO DON'T LIKE THAT THIS THREAD BEGINS WITH 'FALSE ACCUSATIONS', EITHER. AS FAR AS I'M AWARE THERE HAS BEEN NO PROOF OF -FALSE- ACCUSATIONS. SIMPLY UNPROVEN ACCUSATIONS. SO.
[–]PawnOfMaLancia 9 points10 points11 points  (2 children)
Honestly, your shtick doesn't work. It's too difficult to read.
[–]AyChihuahua@iglvzx 7 points8 points9 points  (0 children)
Don't be so harsh on David Draiman. :/
[–]-ALL-CAPS-MANI'M A CAPS MAN 2 points3 points4 points  (0 children)
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[–]DanyLektro...And Social Justice for All. 0 points1 point2 points  (2 children)
I'd say she partially misrepresented Sophia. Sophia's comment may not have been a "threat to doxx" but it was menacing. If we excuse it then we have to excuse the same technicality crap that we see GG do when they don't like something. "It's easy to find information!" etc.
She taunted chobitcoin, INVITED a fight, and then threatened to bring their information to the police on the grounds of... what? A belief in circumstantial evidence?
When you give the people you agree with the benefit of the doubt, you have to be willing to resist condemning those you oppose based on unproven accusations.
I think we should all take a page out of the gamergate rulebook guidebook propaganda pamphlet here: trust and verify - and don't condemn somebody until we've done that.
[–]jaddeo 2 points3 points4 points  (1 child)
She taunted chobitcoin, INVITED a fight, and then threatened to bring their information to the police on the grounds of... what? A belief in circumstantial evidence?
If you boil down someone's belief in a rape victim to "a belief in circumstantial evidence", you need to get your fucking shit together.
[–]DanyLektro...And Social Justice for All. 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
My apologies, all I know is the claim is unconfirmed. I paraphrased too far.
[–]StoicSophistThe ethicyest ethicer that ever ethiced. 1 point2 points3 points  (2 children)
How about "baseless accusations"? Does that phrase work for you?
[–]jaddeo 0 points1 point2 points  (1 child)
Baseless? Sophia interacts with many trans women and she may have privately spoken to rape victims like she has done before in the past. Seriously, some people in this thread need to unlearn rape culture.
[–]StoicSophistThe ethicyest ethicer that ever ethiced. 0 points1 point2 points  (0 children)
Seriously, some people in this thread need to unlearn rape culture.
Seriously? Not automatically believing that a vague semi-accusation made in a petulent twitter slapfight is the literal truth is rape culture? Way to trivialize the concept.
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