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[–]Rushdoony4ever 202 ポイント203 ポイント  (21子コメント)

nice casserole. I wonder if they serve pizza too.

[–]RedSnapperVeryTasty 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (20子コメント)

People who call deep dish pizza a casserole have either never had pizza or casserole.

[–]UhMrThePlague -12 ポイント-11 ポイント  (19子コメント)

People who don't realize that deep dish pizza deviates from the standard concept way more than most other kinds of pizza - and lacks certain qualities that make pizza "pizza" for some people - are foolish.

[–]Ildona -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (15子コメント)

Start with dough, because pizza is literally dinner pie.

Add sauce and cheese. Maybe toppings.

Put in oven.

Grats, you made pizza!

All deep dish does is put it in a pan (again, pizza is a pie), put the sauce over the cheese (to prevent burnt cheese), and add a ton more stuff to the pizza.

It's different, it's fantastic. But saying it deviates is just wrong.

[–]TwistedToeRag 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Pizza is not a pie.

[–]UhMrThePlague 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (13子コメント)

On, does pizza mean dinner pie in Italian? Then where did you pull that definition from, your own head? None of the possible root words mention dinner or pie.That means what you're tryng to pass of as an objective definition is subjective and no more valid than my interpretation.

Your definition makes sense but it's just how you view pizza, which happens to leave out all the things that make deep dish nonstandard. It can't be held in the hand, no other pizza needs sauce on top to stop the cheese from burning, not all pizzas are made in pans (they're not pies like an apple pie), not all pizzas are so loaded with artery-clogging toppings, not all pizzas end up with undercooked dough because they're so thick. You can actually replace the term "not all" with "almost no other" except for the part about pans and everything I've just written would still be true. Deep dish is a total outlier on the pizza spectrum.

[–]Akronite14 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Dude, it's just thick pizza. It's gonna be okay.

[–]UhMrThePlague -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (5子コメント)

I love pizza. I have a passion for pizza. What do you love?

[–]Akronite14 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

I LOVE PIZZA. But I think it's silly that you are being so dismissive of great pizza because you'd prefer to semantically argue that it isn't pizza. It's crust, sauce and cheese bro.

[–]UhMrThePlague 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Bread, ham and cheese together is a sandwich, but not if i serve it diced up in a bowl.

I don't think you can't like deep dish, but I also don't think it's very similar to most other kinds of pizza. It's food but I don't really think it's that close to being pizza. That's my opinion, it's cool if yours is different.

[–]Akronite14 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

There is a difference between subs and flatbreads and deli-style, etc. but they are still sandwiches... We can disagree though yeah.

[–]redhotnickelball 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

The main difference here, in my opinion, is that if you showed this pan pizza to a person from pretty much anywhere in the world, most people would immediately identify it as a pizza. If you chopped up some bread ham and cheese and threw it in a bowl, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a single person who would say "oh hey, a sandwich!"

[–]Ildona -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (5子コメント)

Pizza is a pie by definition.

Pie doesn't need a cover, like pumpkin. It can be full of vegetables and meat instead of fruit, like chicken pot pie. It can be panless, like a galette. Pie is literally dough with stuff on it that you bake.

It's called a pizza pie for a reason. Also, lots of styles of pizza exist. And deep dish has fully cooked crust unless you get it super cheap. Not all deep dish has crazy toppings, that's personal taste.

[–]UhMrThePlague 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Pizza is a pie by definition.

It's not, though, because other dictionaries (and Merriam-Webster is more highly regarded than dictionary.com) don't reference pie except to note that the phrase pizza pie is sometimes used. And like I said, none of the possible root words that the modern word pizza comes from involve pie.

The definition of pie is, from Merriam-Webster:

1: a meat dish baked with biscuit or pastry crust — compare potpie

2: a dessert consisting of a filling (as of fruit or custard) in a pastry shell or topped with pastry or both

If we're going to go by dictionary definitions, then the only way a pizza could really be a pie is if it's loaded with meats - which invalidates your other point about the crazy toppings.

It's called pizza pie as a colloquialism, and not consistently, which is fine but it's not as if that's what everyone calls it by that term exclusively at all times.

Taking your points into consideration, there are still some significant differences between deep dish and 99 percent of other kinds of pizza. I can't pick deep dish up, the cheese is under the sauce (and therefore doesn't cook in the same fashion as the vast majority of pizzas), it needs to be eaten with a knife and fork, etc.

I'm not saying it's not food or that it's objectively bad, but it has unique and major differences from the majority of other pizza styles. I don't think it really counts as pizza. I'm not saying you're a bad person for liking it, I'm saying I don't like it and presenting my personal argument as to why I don't think it really counts as pizza.

[–]Ildona -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (3子コメント)

You need to learn to be concise, man. Simple is better; big words do not make big thoughts. You come off as needlessly arrogant.

Anyways, I eat deep dish with my hands after it cools down. It's fantastic at room temperature. It doesn't need a knife and fork, but that does make it easier. You don't need to fold New York style pizza, either.

Just because you don't do something a certain way does not make it wrong.

No two pizza styles are alike. European pizza is as different from deep dish as Detroit style is from wafer crust, or New York and California styles are different. But they're all delicious.

[–]UhMrThePlague 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (2子コメント)

You need to learn to be concise, man. Simple is better; big words do not make big thoughts. You come off as needlessly arrogant.

Thanks for the writing advice, I guess the university degree and the job where my continued employment depends on the quality of my writing aren't helping. I'm sorry I use words that I'm comfortable using. Do you really think that "colloquialism" or "consideration" or "inherent" are big words?

You were the one who jumped into dictionary definitions, if we're going to use them then I'm going to use the language appropriate to discussing them - unambiguous and precise words that don't leave any wiggle room, because that's what's needed to avoid confusion when you're talking about semantics.

Here's concise: Whatever, I totally shoot down your argument about what pizza is and isn't, and what pie is and isn't, and then you completely ignore how wrong you were and just jump tracks. Then you tell me I'm arrogant for it, even though I made it clear that I'm just sharing my personal opinion.

In your opinion deep dish is delicious, in my opinion it's bland and full of fat just like I think (my opinion, not telling you you have to feel the same way) most of the other regional food in Chicago is tasteless garbage for uncultured palates. Why don't you tell me how cool it is to put an entire salad on top of a hot dog next, and then tell me I'm wrong for not saying it's delicious.

[–]Ildona -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That... Wasn't concise at all. Or accurate.

Anyways, I actually strongly dislike hot dogs. Deep dish isn't my favorite pizza, either. It's just definitely a pizza.

Hope your day gets better, man. You sound like you're having a rough one. PM me your PayPal email, I'll route you some cash for a dinner pizza. Your pick.

[–]perceiver -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (2子コメント)

People who don't accept that there can be different "styles" of pizza just like there can be different styles of wine, beer, even chili, are the foolish ones. I mean, what's the deal with provincialism?

[–]UhMrThePlague -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

I accept that there's neapolitan, NYC style, NH style, Greek/medium-crust style, St. Louis, California, etc. etc. etc.

Deep dish is just much more different than any of those are from the "platonic ideal" of pizza, insomuch as that exists. It lacks qualities that some people associate with pizza.

That's all I said - I didn't attack different styles of pizza or say I don't accept that different types of the same food exist. I said it's foolish that some people don't realize why other people think deep dish is weird, or that it's food but not really pizza.

[–]RoyalHorse 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I just don't understand arguing with people about what they call their food. A deep dish pizza tells me everything I need to know about it in the name. It's some kind of pizza, which means dough, cheese, sauce, and toppings, served in a deep dish, implying that it'll be thicker than other pizzas.