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Actor / Entertainer - LiveI am the REAL Hercules, and the first captain (after Captain Kirk) on Gene Roddenberry's ANDROMEDA. I'm also the really mean professor on GOD'S NOT DEAD. And Gojun Pye on MYTHICA. Kevin Sorbo, AMA! (self.IAmA)

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[–]TheDayTrader 187 ポイント188 ポイント  (128子コメント)

I found your character in God's not dead a really lame strawman of people who don't believe in gods/miracles/magic. How did you feel about it?

[–]KevinSorboHere[S] 99 ポイント100 ポイント  (126子コメント)

I loved the character. That's why I took the part. I have atheist friends, I have agnostic friends, I have friends who have faith. I am a Christian myself, but I can have debates with my atheist friends and still part as friends.

The character was based on people I've seen on cable shows that actually have clubs for atheists - they're like presidents of organizations - and I always found that funny, that they were so angry and mad at people for believing in God. I don't get it - if you don't believe in something, why are you angry about it?

I don't believe in vegetables. Knock yourselves out.

But these guys are filled with so much anger towards anything that's religious - I don't get it. Why are you offended by a Nativity Scene? Then you should be equally offended by the Easter Bunny, or Santa Claus.

It was a $2 million dollar movie. It made over $100 million dollars in box office. So obviously it struck a chord with people. Because it was the most successful independent movie last year, and by far the most successful movie, dollar-for-dollar, last year. And no studio picked it up, it was an independent movie.

So I think they're kicking themselves, that they put out a $300 million NOAH movie and only made $150 million in the States.

And the thing is - it's a character. There's a reason there's hundreds of television channels. Whatever you do, whatever you say in life, you're always going to get somebody upset about it. But i don't let that worry me. If you don't like that movie, watch another movie. There are plenty of movies out there. Watch a movie that's atheist. They're out there! Hollywood makes 'em!

[–]deusnefum 132 ポイント133 ポイント  (10子コメント)

Atheist here. It's not that a nativity scene is offensive. It's that our supposedly secular government is showing a clear preference to a religion.

It's not that we're angry about people believing in a god. It's that we're tired of being marginalized and ignored because we do not share a belief in a god or gods.

Here's a personal example for myself. I had to go to small claims court. We are given the option of swearing our oath on a bible or simply affirming. No problem, right? I can just affirm and everything is fair? No. The magistrate assumed I would swear on the bible and directed me to do so. Now I could've said I would rather affirm, but if she is a Christian and offended by my lack of belief, that could bias her against me. So, I swore on a Bible--passively endorsing such a thing even though I wholeheartedly disagree with such a practice.

[–]lonewombat 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

How I imagine myself reacting in such a situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHmkGRtdtBo

[–]faux_pseudo 54 ポイント55 ポイント  (9子コメント)

I'm a member of an atheist club in Charlotte. Our president is one of the least angry guys I know. The next time you're in Charlotte look us up and we will show you a bunch of fun loving atheists that aren't in a club to be angry but to have a peaceful community. Charlotte Atheists and Agnostics

[–]thisonetimeonreddit 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Nobody is angry, he totally missed the point. He was asked about the strawman character he represented, and only re-affirmed his strawman qualities.

No atheists are angry that people believe in god. People are angry that belief in god is being used to justify moral atrocity.

[–]archaeopter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

No atheists are angry that people believe in god.

NO atheists are angry that people believe in god? Really? You're going with that one?

[–]HooahMonty 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, why would people be angry about a belief? We are angry about the things people do because of those beliefs.

[–]professorhazard 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

No atheists are angry that people believe in god.

Uh, I know plenty of atheists that are angry that people believe in God. Have you ever been to Facebook, or a high school?

[–]mysteryqueue 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Why do you feel the need to join a club whose only common thread is NOT believing in something? Would you join a "not a comics fan club"? It just makes no sense to me at all

[–]El_Bufon 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

People aren't discriminated against for "not being a comic books fan". There is no prejudice if you don't read comics.

If you don't believe in a fictional deity, you are thought of as less in the USA. In some parts your physical well-being is at risk. That's why there is a group.

[–]Faps_With_Fury 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Especially in the rural areas around Charlotte. I live 30 miles outside of Charlotte and atheists are not welcome here.

[–]sgol 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If you lived in a society where it was expected that you were a fan of comics, so much so that it was considered polite to ask someone "Who's your favorite Green Lantern?", and you could expect to be often met with disgust, alarm or judgement when you replied, "I actually don't read comics," then perhaps you would welcome a circle of friends who didn't place that expectation on you.

[–]Syuk_Dat_Deke 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why do Christians feel the need to join a club whose only common thread is believing in a god? The answer to both is people are social creatures.

[–]awwwww_snap 155 ポイント156 ポイント  (41子コメント)

I don't get it. Why are you offended by a Nativity Scene? Then you should be equally offended by the Easter Bunny, or Santa Claus.

Pretty sure nobody's trying to deny their fellow citizens access to restaurants or healthcase based on a closely-held belief in Santa Claus

[–]DrAminove 39 ポイント40 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Also, this was interesting:

I've seen people on cable shows that actually have clubs for atheists ... and I always found that funny.

I wonder if he finds clubs for religious folks - aka churches, mosques, and synagogues - funny.

[–]bobsp 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's as if he doesn't realize that the atheist "clubs" are generally there because atheists are socially derided in much of the US and many of them have the simple goal of equality and social acceptance.

[–]ccctitan80 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Are you equating atheism to a religion? I always thought atheism was more of a lack of belief. I guess it's different for different people.

[–]slipstream37 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It is. He is ignorant.

[–]DaBlueCaboose -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I think he was referring to the odd practice of coming together to celebrate something you all don't do, a la /r/nongolfers

[–]dforderp 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

But not every Christian thinks like that. The people who are doing that obviously forgot about the fact that Jesus ate with the sinners. Those owners seem to have a little Pharisee in them.

In the same line of thinking, not every atheist acts like the one portrayed in the movie (which I haven't watched yet so I'm going off of other people's words).

[–]awwwww_snap 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nobody's saying every Christian acts like that, but the ones that DO are engendering a lot of ill-will, and the Christians that don't aren't being especially vocal in their opposition.

But more to the point, my comment isn't even a statement on the general state of Christian belief - it's a direct response to Mr Sorbo's apparent belief that people who are upset with the role of religion in this country are "offended by a Nativity scene." It's a disingenuous mischaracterization of what the actual problem is.

[–]smokingcage 16 ポイント17 ポイント  (6子コメント)

What's an example of a "movie that's atheist," in your opinion ?

[–]RamsesThePigeon 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (5子コメント)

The Avengers, maybe?

"Puny god!"

[–]Tetragramatron 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (4子コメント)

"There's only one God, mam..." Blech

[–]ShepPawnch 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (1子コメント)

That line was awesome and you know it.

[–]Tetragramatron -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It kind of mind me throw up in my mouth but I do have to admit that it's probably consistent with the Character of Steve Rogers.

[–]professorhazard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

yeah, fuck you for believing in something, Captain America

[–]RamsesThePigeon 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'd argue that the line in question is part of what makes it an "atheist" movie.

I mean, unlike what Mister Sorbo up there is insinuating, atheism isn't about anger or hatred or anything; it's more a conclusion that one comes to when weighing all the evidence (or lack thereof).

Rogers, on the other hand, has faith. No amount of evidence, reason, or debate will change that... and arguably, that's a stronger spirituality than most religious folks practice. Being able to say "I know that I'm wrong and I know that my beliefs don't make sense... but I believe anyway" is a level of conviction that most folks don't have.

So, look at it from an outside perspective: We have Banner and Stark who are atheists, we have Thor who's an enigma, we have Black Widow and Hawkeye who may or may not believe in anything, we have Captain America the (devout) Christian... and you can bet that when Ant Man shows up, he'll be Jewish. The film doesn't push to represent one side or the other; it just presents all of them. That, to me, is pretty atheistic... and from an agnostic perspective, too.

[–]Perpetualinvalidity 6 ポイント7 ポイント  (1子コメント)

So, your reasoning was because that's what you had concluded after interacting with atheists and watching us? No offense, but I honestly don't think that you talk to very many, and if you do, you certainly don't listen. I can't name a single person who comes anywhere close to your character in that movie. The way you played him was literally one huge "angry atheist" stereotype that you hear from a preacher.

[–]GoiterGlitter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

His character rings of /r/Christianity's perception of atheists.

[–]GaijinSama 21 ポイント22 ポイント  (2子コメント)

The character was based on people I've seen on cable shows that actually have clubs for atheists - they're like presidents of organizations - and I always found that funny, that they were so angry and mad at people for believing in God. I don't get it - if you don't believe in something, why are you angry about it?

This brings up the counterpoint; why are you so mad and angry at people who don't believe in god? You made a movie about how awful they are.

[–]SammyD1st -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It made over $100 million dollars in box office.

[–]GaijinSama 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I'm actually wondering where he got that figure. according to Box Office Mojo it made a little less than $63 million globally. Still a great return on investment, so I'm not sure why he's exaggerating.

[–]DogWearingSunglasses 38 ポイント39 ポイント  (6子コメント)

Man, you must not respect your "atheist friends" very much if you'd willingly represent them the way you did in that movie.

[–]LadiesLoveBackHair 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (0子コメント)

A nativity scene on government property is government endorsement of religion, which is unconstitutional. If you actually thought it out, you wouldn't want government and religion mixing, because chances are it wouldn't be your particular brand of Christianity they are espousing. I personally have no problem with nativity scenes on government property, as long as the Church of Satan has equal access to put up a display on said property.

[–]dubs2112 31 ポイント32 ポイント  (3子コメント)

It was a $2 million dollar movie. It made over $100 million dollars in box office. So obviously it struck a chord with people.

Is this guy serious? Of course it made a shit load of money, it's a Christian circle jerk about atheists released in a country that's over 3/4 Christian. It doesn't mean it was a good movie, it just means you have a lot of stupid people who live in your country.

[–]B4ckB4con 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

3/4 christian? I doubt it...

[–]WeaponizedDownvote 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_Not_Dead_(film)

Josh Wheaton (Shane Harper), an evangelical college student, enrolls in a philosophy class taught by Professor Jeffrey Radisson (Kevin Sorbo), an atheist, who demands that his students sign a declaration that "God is dead" to get a passing grade.

It actually gets worse. It's like a 14 year old read half a Nietzsche quote and created a thesis around it.

There's a lot of anger in our country directed at universities from conservative Christians. Learning about the ideas of other people is an outrageous threat to the indoctrination of sheltered young people or something.

But this isn't even the worst moronic sermon disguised as a film. I give you further evidence that Kirk Cameron is insane:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTMRY1YOsLg&spfreload=10

[–]cpt_pancreas -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yeah I think I saw one poster in the UK for it, and then just a bunch of people laughing at the idea of it. To us it was just a laughable demonstration of Americas Big 'ole Christian-Dick measuring contest. The UK is technically over 50% self-describing as Christian, but I don't think I've met anyone over here hardcore enough that I could see them enjoying it.

[–]Retlaw83 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's not that I think they're offended by those displays so much as they're offended by the fact differing viewpoints don't get the same prominence in the same kind of public forum.

[–]Jux_ 40 ポイント41 ポイント  (4子コメント)

Is "I have atheist friends" your "I have gay friends" bit?

[–]troubleondemand 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (3子コメント)

I'm sure he has black friends too.

[–]beelzeflub 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

And women.

[–]wartornhero 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

binders full of them!

[–]Brodivh 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Now that you mention that...did Hercules ever have black actors? It's been many years since I've watched it, but I'm sure they were very rare.

[–]slipstream37 20 ポイント21 ポイント  (15子コメント)

I never thought that because you don't believe in vegetables means that they don't exist. You should believe in vegetables, they really exist. I don't believe in Hercules because that's a myth, just like Jesus.

[–]professorhazard 12 ポイント13 ポイント  (10子コメント)

actually if I'm not mistaken there is historical data regarding the existence of Jesus as a living figure

EDIT: I may have forgotten to mention that my experience with this data was from Fact or Fiction-type shows from the 1990s, when Jonathan Frakes was slim, smiling, and could do no wrong directorially.

[–]slipstream37 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Not exactly. It's muddy water. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus Richard Carrier has made some good refutations to the idea that Jesus was a real person.

[–]professorhazard 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Thanks for taking the time to be a cool-headed educator on the matter!

[–]AnOnlineHandle 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nope, decades and centuries after his supposed death, 2 or 3 people made references to people who might have been him, but none of them were alive during the time, so they all could have only have heard it second hand. None of the historians alive at the time, in the region or elsewhere, made any references to such a figure, the only sources claiming to have met him all involve feats of magic, so I don't see why it's treated as known history when none of the accounts of him can be true (unless you believe that magic exists I guess and is a credible part of a story, which I've not seen any evidence of and so don't).

[–]deusnefum 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

There is not. The only historical evidence outside of the Bible (which is itself of dubious origins) is clearly shown to be fraudulent.

[–]Cromar 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

First line from your link:

Most modern scholars consider the passage to be authentic

What's the term for that in hockey? Own goal?

[–]Goodhorsegonzo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Careful Professor! You're entering a Hazard zone!

[–]professorhazard -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

nice bro

[–]dubs2112 -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Yes, it's called the bible. Which also claims there were talking donkeys and carpenters walking on water, so take that with a grain of salt.

[–]roshampo13 -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Nah there really isn't, at least there's not any definitive evidence.

[–]Boots_Mcfeethurtz 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

C'mon, everyone knows the rutabaga is a lie.

[–]beelzeflub -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Just like the cake.

[–]roshampo13 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Thing is I can prove to you veggies are real, you can touch them, smell them, eat them. Jesus/God? Not so much.

[–]slipstream37 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's almost as if...wait for it....Jesus and God don't exist!

[–]BOO00M 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

if you don't believe in something, why are you angry about it?

Because these beliefs have a very large role in our politics, which are supposed to be free of religion, and have been used to justify things like anti-gay and anti-abortion legislation

by a Nativity Scene?

Because it's on government property when there is a separation of church and state in this country

So obviously it struck a chord with people

Yes. With religious people who wanted there beliefs re-affirmed, or the vast majority of the country. It was received terribly as a critical movie, receiving a 17% on rotten tomatoes

Whatever you do, whatever you say in life, you're always going to get somebody upset about it.

Of course you're going to upset millions of people. You completely misrepresented them. If I made a movie where one person represented Christianity, and I only made him a gay hating, red neck moron who couldn't understand basic science, people would be upset

[–]matttjonez 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Atheists only have problems with nativity scenes if public dollars fund them and public institutions install them (usually with exclusivity and no options for other people). Your logic is just as retarded as the people in the movie.

No atheist has a problem with Santa and he Easter bunny because of how secular and commercialized those images are. Their roots are also in paganism so we already own those.

And you're surprised at atheists being mad at religious people? Just look at state laws regarding atheists, historical and modern. Bullshit Religious Freedom Restoration Acts. You idiots want legal protection to discriminate against me because of beliefs and sexuality. You want to legislate and control womens' bodies. You are an ignorant patronizing ass.

[–]networknewjack 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Why should an atheist prefer pagan symbols over Christian ones? That sentence made no sense. Paganism is still religion, which atheists do not have.

[–]scaddabush 4 ポイント5 ポイント  (1子コメント)

It might have something to do with all the murder and oppression.

[–]pierzstyx 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

This atheist approves! http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-i22_w74nu_I/TqF8EUzI5OI/AAAAAAAAAHk/adPg6OjQMlU/s320/Stalin.jpg

So does this one!

http://media.brainz.org/uploads/2011/05/4_pol_pot_in_1977.jpg

Also, this one.

http://espanol.llco.org/files/2011/07/787399-mao_zedong_super.jpg

Those three atheists alone have over 150,000,000 murders between them and the oppression of hundreds of millions more!

/s

See, blind association and reducing every one and thing to their worst members and examples makes everyone an a-hole.

[–]Fresh402 2 ポイント3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It struck a chord with hypocritical assholes because it shared their same bigoted and idiotic beliefs. That entire movie was ridiculous tripe written by idiots who have obviously never had an actual conversation with an atheist. Please do the world a favor and fade back into obscurity where you came from, noone cares about your bullshit except for other brainwashed assholes.

[–]TheGreatPastaWars 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And the thing is - it's a character

Oh, it wasn't a documentary? From the reaction you're getting, I thought you were just playing yourself.

[–]ultralame 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

And every Christian preacher is a fire and brimstone "You're all going to hell" type, right?

Yes, the angry people are more noticeable, and tend to be more annoying. Then there are those of us who are just quiet about it but were worried that if we asked our public high school football coach if we could not pray to Jesus before a game that he would get pissed and bench us.

[–]Jelboo 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

If only Nativity scenes were the main thing in religion to get offended by... If only.

[–]GoiterGlitter 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Your belief that people are angry that you believe in god is far fetched. People are angry that christians insert their personal beliefs where they don't belong. Like politics and my uterus.

[–]Tetragramatron 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

You are either an asshole who doesn't care to understand the perspective of the atheists you malign or you are an idiot who is incapable of understanding; maybe both.

That film was specifically designed to play on Christians' bogus persecution complex and dehumanize non Christians.

[–]_kst_ 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

I have atheist friends

Have you talked to them about your portrayal of an "atheist" in that movie? You might be surprised by what they tell you.

[–]the_holy_tape 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"How can you be mad at someone you don't believe exists?"

[–]AnOnlineHandle 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

But these guys are filled with so much anger towards anything that's religious

For good reason. Not that you'd likely want to hear them when you can easily and lazily straw man. People aren't angry at a figure they don't believe in, any more than you're angry at Santa Clause if Santa Clausists have made trouble in your life. They're angry at the followers, institutions, and customs which exist because of that claim.

Personally I'm mostly angry because many of us were indoctrinated and re-indoctrinated as children without any question of consent or warning that there was no evidence for whatever local superstition was being shoved into our brain, circumventing our usual thinking process for not wanting to be scammed (e.g. we wouldn't believe an ancient korean man walked on water and was the child of an invisible creator the universe, but when indoctrination techniques have been applied repetitively on us as children it makes it harder to think clearly about equally ridiculous but more familiar claims), by adults who should have known better. You have a responsibility to not abuse children, not to lead them into scams (if you have not a shred of evidence for what you're selling, be it christianity, islam, scientology, quantum healing, you're a scammer, the question is just whether it's socially acceptable to call you out on that due to your political power).

I'm also angry that religion causes a shitload of problems in the world. Don't pretend you don't know what they are, it would be like pretending you don't know that the sky is blue.

[–]patanwilson -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

That last phrase sounds like a stab at Hollywood. There is only a one movie I remember where atheism was the main theme, The Ledge.

Do you suggest that atheism is much more mainstream in the film industry?

[–]private_domicile -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

"God's not dead" made so much money because you are banking on the "Christians are under attack" movement. Smh...