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/r/Europe has an amazing, new, shiny, revised set of rules (self.europe)

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[–]markzman 81 ポイント82 ポイント  (57子コメント)

It is not ok to suggest that some races or cultures are inherently better than others.

So suggesting that cultures which endorse things like FGM or human sacrifices are inferior to cultures that don't will result in a ban? Sorry, but these rules blow.

[–]Czechistan!falconberger 62 ポイント63 ポイント  (11子コメント)

From now on, saying that ISIS's culture is backwards will be considered edgy.

[–]mega_wallace 55 ポイント56 ポイント  (3子コメント)

ISIS only seems backward because you are analyzing their behavior from a hegemonic position of systemic hetronormative eurocentric privilege. ISIS is certainly not backward; rather, they are simply differently-forward. :)

/s

[–]New Zealandoreography 22 ポイント23 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Haha "Differently Forwarded".

I understand the need for creating a tolerant community, but suggesting that the European values of democracy and freedom of speech, religion, and assembly are somehow equal to that of the medieval gulf states is preposterous.

[–]PortugalDanielShaww 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

eurocentric

Reminds me of that criticism by edgy historians who really should have known better, when they say that the history we teach our pupils is very "Eurocentric". Why goodness me, if they aren't living in Europe or a country whose history was painted by Europe countries (such as the US), why wouldn't their outlook be from a Euro perspective?! Surely China doesn't complain that their history is too sinocentric, do they?

[–]Czechistan!falconberger 0 ポイント1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

LOL, reminds me of Rimmer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WgUktfdDy4

[–]can into spaceTollaneer 15 ポイント16 ポイント  (6子コメント)

ISIS is not a race or a culture, it's a group within a certain cultural sphere.

[–]Czechistan!falconberger 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (5子コメント)

It's culture too.

[–]can into spaceTollaneer 11 ポイント12 ポイント  (4子コメント)

They don't have distinctive art, customs, language, behaviours, etc.. Not every seperate group is a separate culture.

[–]Rano_Its 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (0子コメント)

every seperate group is a separate culture.

It should be fairly easy to make this argument. You can easily find examples in social psychology of small groups with norms that could be related to linguistic (slang, neologisms), behavioural (gait, posture), vestimentary code, etc. All this and more can be referred to as the culture of a group.

And don't forget that a group is two people or more. The group Daesh definitely has a culture. Even if some parts of it may be borrowed from or shared with other groups.

It just seems like you are redefining the concept to suit yourself.

[–]Czechistan!falconberger 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (2子コメント)

They have distinctive customs and behaviors. Basically any group of interacting people is a culture - reddit has a culture too

[–]can into spaceTollaneer -5 ポイント-4 ポイント  (1子コメント)

Reddit has way more distinctive and unique behaviours and customs than ISIS.

[–]No borders, no nations, fuck deportationsGunvorsejl -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

It's an armed supremacist group. You wouldn't call the KKK or the IRA a culture either. Also I'm pretty sure the mods aren't going to ban anyone for criticising IS. Racists are just upset they'll be banned for their shit.

[–]British EmpireEast_India_Co[🍰] 23 ポイント24 ポイント  (25子コメント)

Even the rule above it is absurd. Is it really wrong to say that gay culture and Saudi culture are incompatible? That a group of gays could not cohabitate with Saudis in Saudi Arabia.

This is an obvious example of where values of cultures are simply incompatible and where coexistence, is at the least, very unpleasant and at most lethal.

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These are the areas that need to be discussed. Especially since such discussions are undoubtedly connected to current events and political discourse.

[–]The NetherlandsTheothor 13 ポイント14 ポイント  (3子コメント)

Yeah 1.1 is a bit too broad for my liking, I just hope the mods have the same common sense as I do.

Because of course I should be able to suggest some cultures are better then others. Some cultures are really shitty. Also Russophobia isn't allowed here? What does that even mean? I'm not allowed to have negative feelings or fears about Russian policies? Not to mention the fact that there are people out there that see sexism, racism or islamophobia in every discussion about immigration or other european policies.

I also think people should be allowed to say the Armenian Genocide was not really a genocide. Banning discussion about the issue is useless. I personally know quite a few people who deny it and discussing it on here might give them more information to form an educated opinion.

[–]DrenDran 3 ポイント4 ポイント  (0子コメント)

Not to mention the fact that there are people out there that see sexism, racism or islamophobia in every discussion about immigration or other european policies.

God forbid you even mention eurosceptism on certain subs.

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    [–]No borders, no nations, fuck deportationsGunvorsejl -2 ポイント-1 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This explains really well and in a humorous way why racism against white people is a bit of a canard.

    Sure it's possible but it's such a non issue compared to actual systematic racism faced by groups like the Roma. I've also never seen an anti white racism activist fighting against harmful stereotyping (that white people... can't dance? I don't know). I've only seen the "white pride" types like the /r/european poster above me ever mention it.

    [–]648262 10 ポイント11 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Sorry, but these rules blow.

    Yep.

    It is not ok to suggest that some races or cultures are inherently better than others.

    Furthermore this is against itself.

    [–]Fred_Flintstone 18 ポイント19 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Heaven is where the police are British, the chefs are French, the mechanics German, the lovers Italian and it's all organised by the Swiss.

    Hell is where the chefs are British, the mechanics French, the lover's Swiss, the police German and it's all organised by the Italians.

    I've committed 10 unforgiveable thought-crimes; this will be my last post, farewell!

    [–]thatsameatshot 8 ポイント9 ポイント  (4子コメント)

    I have never understood why SJWs can say things like "you can't judge one culture by another's standards" or "no cultures are objectively incompatible" while maintaining that some things are fundamentally wrong, sexism, racism, European existence or whatever it may be.

    Don't they realize that the notion of cultural superority, of right and wrong, lead to the enlighenment, the rejection of slavery and discrimination, and today's socjus. "slavery is wrong" is a statement of moral superority over cultures in which slavery is practiced.

    [–]Empire of PolandSithrak [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    I think no cultures are objectively incompatible - elements of some cultures are incompatible. A culture is a chaotic, complex and ever-changing network of customs and behaviours, you can't possibly treat it in such a simple manner.

    Sexism and racism are not fundamentally wrong, they are just horribly stupid and very harmful :)

    [–]The Netherlandspiwikiwi 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I'm pretty much a sjw and I agree. Cultural relativism is stupid.

    [–]Empire of PolandSithrak [スコア非表示]  (0子コメント)

    No, it isn't. Cultural relativism is about understanding other cultures within their own context. But understanding something does not necessitate liking or allowing it. For example, I can understand the motives of a murderer but still reject their actions.

    It is not about forcing other cultures on us, it is about not rejecting things only on the basis that they seem alien to us. Voluntary hijabs and prayers in the street are fine, FGM is not.

    [–]Finlandnikomo -1 ポイント0 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    If you're willing to hold a reasonable view like that, you're just a reasonable person that is capable of using logic, not a SJW.

    [–]United States of Americamachinedog 7 ポイント8 ポイント  (2子コメント)

    I think you can criticize a culture's practices, but you can't say that a culture as a whole is inferior.

    Like, you can say circumcision is bad. But you can't say Jews are bad.

    [–]Not LuxembourgWobzter 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This. Give this (wo)man more upvotes.

    [–]Ayy_1mao -4 ポイント-3 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    Why couldn't you directly compare two cultures?

    Eskimo culture is great and all, but they have yet to land on the moon.

    [–]CuntM8 1 ポイント2 ポイント  (0子コメント)

    This rule caught my eye too. Man, this shit is hilarious.